#gear_and_attire (Discord ID: 321380582112231425) in Charlottesville 2.0, page 2
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BRINGING BIG COMBAT BOOTS
Why is it important to cover the ankle specifically?
It gives a little bit of extra support.
@Rook - IN Mostly though in a scuffle with Fuck stains with no dignity, if you got knocked to the ground it will make it significantly harder someone to give one yank and pull your shoe off.
It might not sound like much but how would that affect your effectiveness the rest of the night.
http://www.511tactical.com/atac-8-side-zip-boot.html This is what I wear. Kind of on the expensive side but very comfortable for both standing and running.
Bates are what I swear by
I’ve owned both Bates and 5.11 and I prefer Bates.
Niggas whomst dont have skin cancer aren't even white
@everyone what's the dress code?
Look well put together. If you're with a group, you may have your own dress code.
Basically, don't look like antifa.
And absolutely no masks for any reason.
VA laws are very strict about that
whats the best way to not be identifiable?
not an option
You will be identifiable then
You can curb some of it with sunglasses or facial hair if you don't normally wear it
But no masks, etc.
aviaotors and a hat it is..
Cover up your tattoos
huddle away from media.. back turned.
You should be good then. For the most part, unless you are a "somebody," you will be fine.
im a nbody. run away from inerviews for now, job is premo importante
@Dan iiii I have plain black hats. I bought a bunch in bulk specifically because I once attended an event and wished I had one. I'm not trying to make money on these. DM me and we can talk details. If you want one.
Are we coordinating dress attire? Or is that only for the security folks?
Security folks will be in White Bloc uniform so they're easily identified. Other organizations/groups can coordinate or not coordinate attire to organizational standards.
I have no say in the matter but if you're at loss of what to wear it would be best to dress nice. We're trying to set good optics and if we're all presentable it's going to make antifa look worse than they already do
Yeah, wear black pants, brown uniform shirts, and brown Italian style military cas
I am coming Khakis and white polo.
Also, are we gonna do armbands?
As long as they're black and red.
😢 I was hoping for rainbow armbands so everyone would know that we believe diversity is our strength
you'll be burned to death wearing rainbow anything
I'm willing to become a martyr for diversity . Prefer woodchipper, though.
One will be prov*ded
I would recommend this sunscreen.
I just dropped by my local surplus store the other day, partially to see if they had any deals on riot gear.
Half the uniform stuff was ROTHCO
The only gas masks they had were Israeli surplus
You can get M40's for reasonable prices on ebay now I think.
they are better than the m50 IMO since they can use NATO filters
thats a really good deal
I've seen new Swedish A4's for much cheaper, like $60 at most.
In any event, even the cheapest ones that have a good seal will protect against tear gas.
Do the swedish ones use NATO filters?
I know, but I wasn't necessarily thinking about the event.
This is a channel regarding gear for the event.
Years down the road (or sooner, idk), mass demonstrations on our part may get CS'd, but I doubt this one would be.
@Erika you don't wear a gas mask unless you are getting gassed. You kerep it in the pocket until needed. If we are getting gassed, getting arrested for the no mask law is the least of your problems.
Flag pole sources? Ordered an IE flag, just need a pole so can use a C'ville.
you can get 3/4 inch dowel rod from lowes
theres some pretty cool ones an amazon
@Kurt even if you're getting gassed, you don't put on a mask. You deal with it and move away from the area where the cops are trying to disperse people. If you choose to wear a mask, then you'll be getting gassed and also be getting arrested and being charged with a felony for violating the no mask laws. No masks at this event literally means no masks.
What kind of goggles are ideal?
If police are popping tear gas or pepper bombs, that means they're trying to disperse a crowd, which means they've probably given everyone in the area fair warning to get the fuck out. In that case, you shouldn't be near the gas because you decided to evacuate the area. Goggles might also be considered a mask, so I wouldn't take the risk.
I am more worried about our opposition, and their m80s in bottles and rocks.
@GreatTarnNord You can get ballistic sunglasses, but a pair of ANSI safety glasses should stop glass and shit
What do ballistic sunglasses go for?
These are solid price, and have a god review.
I found a better price from another vendor on Amazon.
Those would work fine yeah
Wiley X is a good brand
If CS makes you freak out you should harden up. It's an irritant. I did 5 minutes in a chamber with no mask.
If you can't hold your breath and leave you have other physical issues.
CS gas is easy
Will also acknowledge that OC fucking sucks and is not nearly as sufferable
Over all though at least a pair of sunglasses would do a lot for minimizing it IN you eyes and you can quickly decontaminate the surrounding areas before it runs into your eyes
Yeah if you look at the news story about the KKK the opposition female said that 3 people were arrested and charged for covering up their face while being gassed.
FWIW I felt like the gas mask demo in KY was pretty LARP-y, especially since only 3-4 people at most actually had them.
I agree with simply getting out of the way if we get gassed THIS TIME, but in the long term, we can't keep taking a completely deferential posture to the police and also gain ground politically.
CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE is stupid when you're just an anonymous arrest statistic for a cause no one cares about, but when there are enough people watching, it can inspire your supporters and make the state appear to be losing its power.
Think of 1000+ actual white nationalists marching in DC, getting confronted by a bigger crowd of antifa and nonwhites, getting gassed cuz anarcho-tyranny, putting on masks and wading into the enemy.
Backpacks and helmets just in case, being inside of the backpacks accepted or no?
You can get a bump cap insert for a ball cap for like $5. I think if we were to show up with helmets it'd be like we're inviting antifa to attack us and would ruin the "peacefully assembling" look. Cops are going to be separating us anyway right?
ERB 19402 Create a Cap Insert with Foam Pad https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JCCKR6O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yRLBzbF1X64SP
It works like a hard hat, just concealable underneath your cap.
Does not meet ANSI/ISEA Z89.1 requirements
For what pvrpose
Its a flexible piece of plastic that doesnt negate impacts
Its to stop you from bumping your head in crawlspaces and shit, not to stop a brick
I have this shirt and another with just the symbol. Too in your face? I don't think so....innocuous to me but I don't don't want to get stoned.
That's way less in-your-face than their original logo. ^^^^^
It will definitely get attention.
We want to attract good normies to our movement, right? When the media shows up and gets spergy looks and behavior on camera, then it sets us back on that goal considerably. Just use your best judgement.
Literally the ADL wrote an article about vanguard being militant neo Nazis and attending pikeville with NSM/NF
Soooo... we're already associated with NSM 🤷🏻♂️
ITs a unite the right rally dude
Love the shirt, had a lot of fun with y'all in Pikeville
Exactly ^ 👌🏻
Same, bought one of NSM's Rockwell shirts
I thought we were going for a more professional look, like shirt with a collar
Everyone should be wearing HUWITE POLO! imo
but i just got my full SS uniform laundered
it has collar
^^^ cool points given for supreme awesomeness!!
nah i'll be wearing khakis and button up
Literally a swastika shirt
If I cant bring a gun, expect my own outfitt
just conceal carry
Riot helmets with clear face shields are legal btw
I'm going to buy a pair of boots for this event, preferably a pair that works for both this event and for the winter in Chicago. Any suggestions?
The bates look really good but $150 more than the other suggestions. What am I getting with a $15 pair of boots? Lol
Theres a few things you should always invest in
Things you have to walk in, things you have to defend yourself with, and things you have to sleep in
Just for events these should work.
I've had a pair of bates last over 8 years with good care
I like danners
I have two pairs like that.
Goes well with kakhis and polos
I'm gonna be in the shield wall so I'm gonna rock steel toe.
I don't like steel toes personally, most of the time they will hurt you worse than if you wore normal boots.
Kinda hard to catch a shin shattering on camera. Most video will be waist up
thats what your shield is for tho
much more effective than kicking
The boots are extra credit
So let me ask the most important question. Since you have the boot thing figured out.
What is your hydration plan?
Haven't really considered a hydration plan. I'll surely bring plenty of fluids that day.
heat is our biggest threat, not antifa. Get a camelback
I'll definitely consider that. I figured maybe the people behind the lines would take care of that.
Best to be self prepared.
I am working out the plan for it.
But the more people come prepared, the less water I will have to haul in and out.
I like the camel back idea about. Would like my dependence on others.
I've also been looking at baseball helmets. I don't want to end up like the u lock guy.
Buy an old steel helmet for like $25 online and buy some of the new style pads for $8
I think the medic support will bring water but if you are on the shield wall it might be hard to get to it. Camalbacks are a lifesaver!!
Speaking of steel helmets, does anyone know of a protective insert one could put in a hat?
I'm not trying to rock an SS style helmet. Wouldn't pay the right image
That looks sharp
you can get a PASGT for like $50 too
Thats a US helmet from Vietnam
I'm bringing 3 plexiglass police shields. These are the same ones in police/army surplus catalogs for $150. You can cut the middleman and order them direct from China for $75 postage paid. Mine came really fast, so you could probably still get one in time if you order now. http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/wAcAAOSw241YbeQu/s-l500.jpg
Ok goys – help me and make sure I get this one right.
I am trying to show some agency and look up knife laws to see if we are good to carry this with us.
Two Sources : http://www.knifeup.com/virginia-knife-laws/
I am pretty sure this is a PUSH DAGGER
It says it is legal to own
And does NOT say it is ILLEGAL to Carry
Highly recommend we all have this on our belt loop. I carry mine around almost everywhere
What are you going to do with that
A knife is a tool to get to a gun
If you're going to carry a knife you may as well carry a gun
Listen here, asshole
Quit running you mouth off, spewing your shit
You fucking fucker
haha Well - for one at home - I carry that knife when I am drinking and cant carry my gun. Which is most of the time. Second, I was playing nice and listening to all of the leadership and going to leave my gun at home. Lastly, if I get hit, I will most defintely be wearing that on my fist when I return my next punch.
But lets be serious, there is less than a 1 percent chance I get hit, so its highly unlikely it will be necessary
Escalating from fisticuffs to a knife is a bad plan
I hear you bro - but it poses the question - why would anyone use a lethal weapon. Its used when it is necessary
Would someone be willing to put together a quick list of what every goy should (or recommended to) have on them/bring with them to the rally and a quick list of what not to bring ie masks, contacts without proper eye protection etc.
Escelating to knife play when someone punches you is a bad call
Unless they're a lot bigger
Or in a group and you're isolated of course
Unless you are isolated you'll have some big goy to back you up
If you get jumped sure stab away
I'm not trusting my safety to anyone but myself
That's a bad move.
"Hello internet strangers! Please protect me"
But dont get stab happy. It doesnt benefit our cause. It makes us look weak as well as criminal to be the ones escelating to lethal force first
Fisticuffs -> Jonesposting -> bullwhips -> guns -> knife
In that order
haha - I am with yall - I merely asked the question to get an extra set of eyes on the legallity of my edc
If your immediate response to a physical blow from a single individual is to stab someone it would benefit everyone for that individual not to come.
I hear ya anthony. It was a misunderstanding then.
@Furor_Tuetonicus I agree with you're overly exaggerated circumstantial statement
Except that the way it was phrased it seems that is exactly what someone was suggesting until he clarified
Why would you assume the most extreme circumstance..?
Your also implying there arent larpers who legitimately do think stabbing is a valid response to getting hit
Put the popcorn away its two men having a conversation
Well I guess they're not larpers if they actually do it huh?
So which is it
haha anytime you have a gun on your hip - you are larping - until you are not
No. I am saying they are larpers for thinking its a good idea. If they acrually do it they would just be idiots
Who here claimed they would stab someone?
Having a gun isnt larping. Saying you will shoot the first man who punches you is either larping or an idiot
No one said "I'll fucking stab them if I'm hit!"
Same for for other forms of lethal force
Who said that though..?
Or did YOU fabricate that?
Well americana since you spend your time being smarmy instead of reading ill grab it
One second you are about to look stupid
Hold the record - I said - I would use it if its needed
the same way I would use a gun - only when necessary
the question was asking about legality
"If I get hit my return hit will have the knife in my hand"
Yes i know Anthony I understand your clarification
10-4 we are good
But since americana wants to be a smart ass
There it is
haha its all good
But lets not be niave - they will have weapons - will they engage with us - probably not
Every time someone suggests defending themselves people seem to assume it's the same thing as wanting to commit acts of violence
Especially when it's within legality
That isnt whst the conversation is about and you know it
I make this point time and time again...
Stabbing someone who punches you is within debatable legaility and is not the smart move
I dont care
I agree with you. However I'm not going to police someone on how they should defend their life in this situation
Do not bring: regular cell phone (if you do, make sure you have a good lock on it), weapons you're inexperienced with using in a fight in a crowded area, flip flops/sandals, masks, contact lenses, illegal substances.
Do bring: water, tourniquet if you have one, a camera that you don't mind being damaged or stolen, good boots/shoes, baby shampoo, shields if you have them, a helmet, banners/flags, a good flag pole, a way to contact the group you came with, sunglasses, knowledge of local laws & exfil plans, etc...
I think Eli will be posting a comprehensive list soon.
I will when it is something that would make a horrible media scene on all fronts
I'll tell you how to defend yourself: if somebody punches you, do not stab them. You will go to jail.
I should add, if an average person punches you.
That's fun and good until someone from our side dies
If someone cannot defend themselves against non lethal force without immediately jumping to lethal force then that person is not a good person to be at the rally
If someone like Mike Tyson punches you, feel free.