Weaboo degrades to greater depths of retardation every single day

<:droolingtard:494478974446207002> me rn after reading chat

he gud boi

Weaboo is too big brained

For you

its clear that you let a jew convince you that prohibition of something increases its consumption

you got jewed

dude

lets go through what would happen

if we just legalized

man

Read the book lmao

first you open the gates, then people vote your money

somehow profit

Again, I am describing what has happened in my country with the liberalisation of our drug laws

"buuut muh numbers! They're irrefutable!"

your solution to this incrased chaos is what?

21% of my country's population is now addicted to some substance

just more freedom, these random monkeys no longe rhave the law

This since the laws have begun liberalising

Not even joking with that number

@Banjod People who haven't read Libertarian theory have a dramatic misunderstanding of Libertarianism.

I have

I just am not a retard

You clearly haven't if that's how you think it would work.

it is

Yes, it's idealistic as fuck

Probably not gonna happen

NRx is a more practical ideaolgy.

so whyu talk abou tit

what's the point

Libertarianism is judaic empowerment for grug-tier goyim

Because its my ideal.

ancapism is against human nature

peopel don't want to work for things

Why discuss politics at all then?

they want it now

without anything for it

What is the point of an unachievable ideal?

you discuss politics for what can be done

not what is a fantasy that will never happen

the point is not dying fuast

you'¨re not writing a fantasy novel

The modern democratic state will probably collapse anyway

"read a book which I haven't actually read which I think ***might*** disagree with historical statistics about a prohibition event using purely ideological reasoning"

the point of politics is to partake in achievable methods of human organization that are actually practical

@Nerthulas How would you know? You haven't read it.

no, you explain to me why prohibition of something will increase its consumption

And yes, your data is trash. Accept it.

we're not in politics you junkie

you don't even know, and you're using it to make an argument

His data is accurate

politics is a means

You not liking it doesn't determine it's accuracy

that was ***one*** study

Name some good anime I haven't seen

conceptually, its not even possible that it could not be reduced

its stops being a means the second it is no longer a tool for us

second of all

@TheUserNameofPeace Black Clover, assuming you are okay with some childishness

we have other cases than american prohibition of alcohol

countless

I'll check it out @Fénius Farsaid

@Leaf Okay, prove it.

You may or may not like it

It is hit or miss

particularly the one we've been talking about, Russia's 42% decrease in consumption

i'll say this agian, he will just refuse it until you convince him emotionally

Ok one seond

this position is not a logical one

second

it's an emotion

feels over reals

you can ltiearlly see it, no matter what you say, he'll just keep saying "but I want x"

conceptually, its not even ***possible*** that it does not decrease, or increases consumption

its impossible completely

the book you're talking about probably does not even make that argument

"Research conducted by the Ministry of Health regarding the consumption of tobacco influenced both public education and state policy; in reflection of the discoveries of the administration's health department, considerable measures were taken to curtail the consumption of tobacco. These measures included prohibitions on the sale of tobacco to minors, of smoking in public areas and within the armed forces, restrictions on the advertisement of tobacco products. Additionally, several tobacco advertising and manufacturing companies were forcibly closed by the state. These measures, while successful in some regards, were limited in their effeciacy by the Second World War. Nonetheless, the daily tobacco intake of the average serviceman was reduced by 25% and prohibitions on smoking in public were effective in eliminating the consumption of tobacco among a majority of minors." @Weaboo Kempeitai

but makes other ones

I cannot speak for @Weaboo Kempeitai, but when I was an ancap my position(s) was not dictated by emotion, but by a priori reasoning. This is the case with almost every libertarian. It's philosophical for them, not practical.

ancaps endorse lying

its loyalty to ideology is what it is

I'm fairly sure this is true

that they just endorse it

@Leaf We're talking about alcohol tho

@TheUserNameofPeace
Shinsekai yori is breddy cool

No, we're talking about prohibition

It's loyalty to a philosophical principle.

@Banjod lmao

@Roko cool

I mean

imagine being loyal to fucking idea what a joke

Most AnCaps don't read theory

So, that's fair.

don't take his freedom of lying away

Most ancaps don't read

Yes

True

first of all, its conceptually impossible that it didn't

@Banjod stfu you accuse everyone of lying lmao

He is right every time too

second of all, that isn't the only example of prohibition that we have

@Fénius Farsaid that's a lie

I just provided example number two

Why does it need to be alcohol?

are you not a traditionalist?

alcoholism is part of european identity

@Leaf Because how you prohibit both varies greatly, also, cigs have never been totally banned in the states to my knowledge.

@Banjod I'm not, I just like alcohol.

I want it preserved because I think those aspects of Europe are cool

i was mocking you

And aesthetically pleasing

this is the things you've pretty much said

the bottle is the only asthetic thing to alcohol

have you ever noticed

kids should be allowed to drink

here's the ***Cato Institute*** on the question - a veritable libertarian organization

if they consent

even ***they***

aka

your side

@Weaboo Kempeitai the stats I posted were from Germany

why does JoJo hate India??? 😂

Here are some regarding alcohol prohibition in Canada

doesn't claim that consumption increased, or was not lower than pre prohibition levels

"Between the years of 1920-1925 five provinces voted to repeal prohibition. The elimination of alcoholic beverages had made a difference in Canadian society. The Ontario Alliance for the Total Suppression of the Liquor Trade stated in 1922 that the number of convictions for offenses associated with drink had declined from 17,413 in 1914 to 5,413 in 1921, and drunkenness cases had dropped from 16,590 in 1915 to 6,766 in 1921.[34] By the end of prohibition, nearly three quarters of beer breweries had closed.[35] It was only in the second half of the twentieth century that a significant number of new breweries opened again." @Weaboo Kempeitai

during prohibition

alcholism in children depends on the child

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEJVcOmEckM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/24/boris-johnson-challenges-theresa-may-introduce-migrant-amnesty/

even the ***libertarian scholars*** don't make the ridiculous claim which you make

and they give the exact reasoning that I do

they agree that it would be conceptually impossible

prohibition increases prices, so will lower consumption necessarily

by at least some level

it certainly will not raise consumption

Honestly almost nobody understands libertarianism. I bet that a good 90% of this discord server has no clue what they are talking about when they advocate for or criticize libertarianism. All they can likely do, whether effective or not, is battle with libertarians on specific issues without ever reaching the underlying principle of libertarianism and debating that itself.

To summarise, 5 years of alcohol prohibition in Canada lead to a reduction by two thirds in public intoxication and related criminal activity, convictions by an equal amount and lead to the closure of three quarters of all breweries in the country.

Just 5 years

Nice

@Nerthulas Dude just read the damn book lol. If it's so wrong you shouldn't have an issue proving so.

@TheUserNameofPeace shinsekai yori is pretty heavy though. If you want something lighter try gto (great teacher onizuka)

I have already proven so

and you don't even know if the book makes the claim that you make

I think it would raise the potency and subsequent danger of the substances it is prohibiting.

it probably does not

libertarianism is a means in itself just like every other ideology which is why its a joke to engage on its underlying principles

that is not the same thing as increasing consumption

There are still many cities and towns in Canada called 'dry towns' which effectively uphold alcohol prohibition laws in the country to the present day

those are not equivalent

Hundreds

to get rid of the rats, just release snakes
- ancapism

Even though the national prohibition has been lifted

it serves no greater purpose other than wealth production

@Leaf I mean, that's fine. Why couldn't you just try that instead of doing that on the federal level. And why would you assume Libertarians would oppose that?

The federal government did do that

I mean, keep dry towns.

and libertarians would oppose it because it literally infringes on public freedoms

individual freedoms

It dosen't

I don't care about your freedoms I care about the well-being of my people

It's purely voluntary association. Have you read what Hoppe wrote on on contractual convents?

no, a dry town is not a voluntary association

Why is the federal government distinct from the municipal in this regard

it is a government which passed a law

They did exactly the same thing and represent the population in exactly the same sense

it has nothing to do with voluntarism

the law is enforceable by state power

@vicmaxim If by "means in itself" you are referring to ideological positions as purely instinctual, I would say you are half correct. People that tend to drift around servers like this and discuss politics, philosophy, etc. significantly more deeply than the average person are more likely to be convinced one way or another if the underlying principles of their ideology are challenged enough.

@Fénius Farsaid look dont serve the ideology

that's all im saying

@Leaf A small town or community can be entirely made up of voluntary participants. A federal government by necessity must disallow any secession.

Ima sleep now

Problem?

Man will continue to serve his ideas. We always have and we always will.

man continues to serve man not ideas

specifically the white man

nature's miracle

the white race

There are few individuals who are capable of serving their own interests above their own conceived ideas of the world. The rest are followers.

@Weaboo Kempeitai its not voluntary

the laws are enforceable by state power

It can be

Is the point.

its not

Even among the white race

It can be

whether it can be is irrelevant

we're talking about the real world

@Fénius Farsaid they follow the leader not the idea

dry towns are not voluntary arrangements

as a libertarian

you oppose them

They follow the idea of their leader. Their idealistic conception of them.

The absolutely are.

I'm talking towns of tens of thousands not a few hundred

The local government could secede from the federal government and function exactly the same as it currently does.

no, a resident could not build a building with his own money, and sell it to a company which turns it into a tavern

Even instinctual hedonists follow their ideas, as in their conception of the pleasure of sex, or food, etc.

that is not voluntary

lol most municipal and county/state/department/provincial governments in most countries derive a great deal of their revenue from the federal government

@Fénius Farsaid the idea counts for nothing is the people who are following the leader do not see somthing in the leader that they see in themselves. They see the potential not the potential of the idea

it is a criminalization of mutual arrangements enforced by state power

pure and simple

@Nerthulas What?

what do you mean 'what'

that's what it is

I literally don't know how that's relevant

@vicmaxim Their perception of the potential is, in itself, an idea.

do you know what a dry town actually is

An idea of what could be

Yes

A government of a limited number of people pass legislation to prohibit consensual business transactions without the consent of the majority

An ideal, more specifically

What's this about tavarns?

@Fénius Farsaid we're getting off topic

@Leaf I'm referring mainly to covenants.

I'm not

Same thing tbh

They can be governed the same

Your whole argument is that prohibition is ineffective and this has been disproven

@Fénius Farsaid my point is if your leader was a fat ass chick with no character spouting libertarian bs all day and night. nobody would follow her

in a dry county, a person could NOT build a building on their own dime, and sell it to a company who would then turn it into a bar

that would be an illegal action

@Leaf No, it is absolutely ineffective.

do you understand that?

@Nerthulas Yes.

@Fénius Farsaid no matter how much they love the idea

It has worked on most occassions

@vicmaxim I don't know why I would ever disagree with that.

okay, then that is not a voluntary system

In which way were the policies I listed ineffective?

@Weaboo Kempeitai

It is

how is it a voluntary system

Yet it is still ideas in themselves that the majority of people follow.

Their idea as to how something is, or how something should be

it is the criminalization of a mutual arrangement by a government

Typically initiated by their idealistic conception of leadership of some kind

@Fénius Farsaid great than understand that if an idea does not serve the people it is useless. The people are the center of everything. The idea is only a tool to serve the people

what if a group of us, voluntarily, decided to create a type of rule?

im done here

kinda cringe tbh

what if we decided to maximize our birth riates

and when we overpopulate you

just take it over

make babies with me banjod

@Nerthulas By entering sombody else's private property, you voluntarily agree to follow a certain set of rules or guidelines under the threat of deportation.

@Fénius Farsaid how is that cringe you literal cuck

because that's whats gonig to happen