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2019-10-30 02:14:09 UTC

of course China has never been as poor as Sub-Saharan africa

2019-10-30 02:14:15 UTC

what a ridiculous statement

2019-10-30 02:14:17 UTC

China was incredibly poor.

2019-10-30 02:14:23 UTC

that's not even controversial to say

2019-10-30 02:14:26 UTC

relative

2019-10-30 02:14:30 UTC

what is relativity

2019-10-30 02:14:40 UTC

You would know ridiculous statements, you've been making them this WHOLE conversation.

2019-10-30 02:14:42 UTC

Mods get the gas we got Koreans here

2019-10-30 02:14:49 UTC

it was poor compared to the west, and to Japan

2019-10-30 02:14:52 UTC

roof koreans?

2019-10-30 02:15:01 UTC

it was not poor in absolute terms

2019-10-30 02:15:03 UTC

Baby is a korean

2019-10-30 02:15:07 UTC

hmm

2019-10-30 02:15:12 UTC

Taiwan?

2019-10-30 02:15:13 UTC

You know what? I agree with you Communist. Biology isn't a thing. You should import millions of Africans.

2019-10-30 02:15:21 UTC

what was the average life expectancy of China at the turn of the 20th century?

2019-10-30 02:15:37 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638923936318357515/Screenshot_20191029-200439_Periscope.jpg

2019-10-30 02:15:44 UTC

Hero

2019-10-30 02:15:44 UTC

BabygottBach, how big of a town do you live in? not trying to dox, just currious

2019-10-30 02:15:53 UTC

it literally doesn't matter, China was not poor in absolute terms

2019-10-30 02:15:55 UTC

I live in a fairly large city.

2019-10-30 02:16:03 UTC

<:soyboy:421747339167006724>

2019-10-30 02:16:06 UTC

he means commune lol

2019-10-30 02:16:06 UTC

the Chinese had cities and roads

2019-10-30 02:16:07 UTC

China was absolutely poor in absolut eterms.

2019-10-30 02:16:08 UTC

what do you think about someone living in rural nebraska?

2019-10-30 02:16:08 UTC

its not comparable

2019-10-30 02:16:12 UTC

City fag

2019-10-30 02:16:17 UTC

are they poor?

2019-10-30 02:16:17 UTC

it quite literally is.

2019-10-30 02:16:20 UTC

f-word

2019-10-30 02:16:21 UTC

cause they dont' have a whole foods

2019-10-30 02:16:24 UTC

not even remotely

2019-10-30 02:16:25 UTC
2019-10-30 02:16:26 UTC

China was just slightly ahead of Africa at the time.

2019-10-30 02:16:37 UTC

๐Ÿ˜‚

2019-10-30 02:16:37 UTC

There's your relativity.

2019-10-30 02:16:38 UTC

you can't say the f word

2019-10-30 02:16:41 UTC

?

2019-10-30 02:16:45 UTC

nah, sorry

2019-10-30 02:16:51 UTC

sorry for the inconvenience

2019-10-30 02:16:58 UTC

<:kraut:389881471881576448> are you being racist against are yellow brothers

2019-10-30 02:16:59 UTC

what about gay

2019-10-30 02:16:59 UTC

'China was just slightly ahead of Africa at the time'

2019-10-30 02:17:02 UTC

lmfao

2019-10-30 02:17:02 UTC

unless u want to be brown maxim

2019-10-30 02:17:03 UTC

poor is a poor choice to measure a people

2019-10-30 02:17:04 UTC

okay buddy

2019-10-30 02:17:09 UTC

like baby is extremely gay

2019-10-30 02:17:15 UTC

i want to talk to russians again

2019-10-30 02:17:17 UTC

Yes, study some fucking history please.

2019-10-30 02:17:25 UTC

What was the Taiping Rebellion

2019-10-30 02:17:25 UTC

lol, you lost fren?

2019-10-30 02:17:31 UTC

what were the Opium Wars?

2019-10-30 02:17:34 UTC

He is

2019-10-30 02:17:39 UTC

What was the boxer rebellion?

2019-10-30 02:17:48 UTC

a society which had developed civilization 9000 years previously was 'just ahead' of a society which had never developed civilization

2019-10-30 02:17:50 UTC

bud

2019-10-30 02:17:58 UTC

Opium wars were when China tried to force Britain to buy opium

2019-10-30 02:18:00 UTC

Shameful

2019-10-30 02:18:08 UTC

if you're ***having*** rebellions, you're at a certain level of development

2019-10-30 02:18:10 UTC

At one point under colonialism, Africa had some of the high developed cities in the world

2019-10-30 02:18:10 UTC

What were the countless treaties that foreign nations forced china to sign?

2019-10-30 02:18:22 UTC

which is ***far*** ahead of that of sub-saharan africa

2019-10-30 02:18:23 UTC

this is a joke

2019-10-30 02:18:31 UTC

@Nerthulas. nice moving of the goal posts. I'm not talking about development. I'm talking about wealth.

2019-10-30 02:18:38 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638924695697227829/AgileFamousGrub-size_restricted.gif

2019-10-30 02:18:40 UTC

South africa used to be a nuclear power in fact

2019-10-30 02:18:41 UTC

The wealth of nations

2019-10-30 02:18:46 UTC

Comes from one source

2019-10-30 02:18:57 UTC

buh buh booty

2019-10-30 02:19:02 UTC

China had become incredibly poor by the time of the Xinhai revolution.

2019-10-30 02:19:10 UTC

Now according to you, this is due to genes.

2019-10-30 02:19:21 UTC

I use development and wealth interchangeably, besides, China wouldn't pass the standard for poverty in terms of wealth either

2019-10-30 02:19:22 UTC

So when China becomes the largest economy today, this is ALSO due to genes.

2019-10-30 02:19:28 UTC

they had their own state

2019-10-30 02:19:31 UTC

foreign genes get it right city gayboi

2019-10-30 02:19:32 UTC

they could levy taxes

2019-10-30 02:19:36 UTC

China, in 1900, wouldn't pass the

2019-10-30 02:19:38 UTC

holy shit

2019-10-30 02:19:38 UTC

not a comparable situation

2019-10-30 02:19:50 UTC

If a nation is poor once. No thatโ€™s not genes. If a nation has always been poor since the beginning of time. Genes are a valid hypothesis

2019-10-30 02:19:52 UTC

China in 1900 was ***fucking rich***

2019-10-30 02:19:59 UTC

Do you KNOW how many Chinese peasants were starving to death every year in China pre revolution?

2019-10-30 02:20:04 UTC

imagine

2019-10-30 02:20:06 UTC

God you're just bullshitting now.

2019-10-30 02:20:06 UTC

compared to most of the world for most of history

2019-10-30 02:20:08 UTC

cocaine being legal

2019-10-30 02:20:12 UTC

again

2019-10-30 02:20:17 UTC

lol, get some historical perspective

2019-10-30 02:20:20 UTC

Ad hominem

2019-10-30 02:20:24 UTC

You lost

2019-10-30 02:20:25 UTC

Chinese life expectancy was literally in the 30s

2019-10-30 02:20:28 UTC

that's rich?

2019-10-30 02:20:33 UTC

Are you kidding me?

2019-10-30 02:20:42 UTC

Mean or median life expectancy

2019-10-30 02:20:46 UTC

so development =/= wealth, but life expectancy = wealth?

2019-10-30 02:20:53 UTC

it doesn't matter if the peasants are dying, peasants die, that doesn't mean that the country isn't rich

2019-10-30 02:20:55 UTC

lol

2019-10-30 02:21:01 UTC

How?

2019-10-30 02:21:23 UTC

life expectancy is not wealth. the wealthy still got mercury "cures" back in the day

2019-10-30 02:21:24 UTC

urban poverty is something distinct from never having developed enough technology or infrastructure to even have cities

2019-10-30 02:21:41 UTC

Mean life expectancy of 30s means famine. Thatโ€™s not a situation that can last

2019-10-30 02:21:44 UTC

I don't know why you keep going back to this issue of infrastruccture.

2019-10-30 02:21:50 UTC

The Chinese aren't human

2019-10-30 02:21:52 UTC

costs $$$

2019-10-30 02:21:52 UTC

Eventually people starve and life expectancy rises

2019-10-30 02:21:56 UTC

infrastructure is capital

2019-10-30 02:22:03 UTC

@fuguer, China was pretty much experiencing faming constantly around that time.

2019-10-30 02:22:16 UTC

built up by the imperialist colonialists in Africa, I suppose?

2019-10-30 02:22:23 UTC

if you have millions of urban people to have starve, you're already at a certain level of development

2019-10-30 02:22:25 UTC

The Chinese treat their own like robots

2019-10-30 02:22:25 UTC

aka wealth

2019-10-30 02:22:29 UTC

Iโ€™d have to study the cause or ask my wife

2019-10-30 02:22:31 UTC

which the sub-saharans never reached

2019-10-30 02:22:36 UTC

My OP to you was to explain the difference between the Chinese and African experience of the 20th century.

2019-10-30 02:22:48 UTC

My wife is pretty proud of China certainly never saw them as a weak failing nation

2019-10-30 02:22:53 UTC

Now according to you, the white saviors came into Africa and built it all up.

2019-10-30 02:22:59 UTC

simple, China had a civilization and Africa did not

2019-10-30 02:23:01 UTC

If you are a hapa , you are half non human

2019-10-30 02:23:10 UTC

ancient depiction of Hercules

2019-10-30 02:23:13 UTC

clearly a Black man

2019-10-30 02:23:27 UTC

what is going in the pic?

2019-10-30 02:23:28 UTC

Chinese culture or civilization is not the ultimate explanation.

2019-10-30 02:23:41 UTC

Whatโ€™s the ultimate explanation

2019-10-30 02:23:43 UTC

breeders in civilization select traits that are good for civilization, over the course of thousands of years this makes people amongst these civilizations better prepared for a society. Policy can be made by civilization to speed this up, but this takes generations. Plus, the fact that sub-saharan africans were cut off from the rest of the world kept them from spreading information. explain this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638925974959947777/genetic_diversion.jpg

2019-10-30 02:23:45 UTC

yeah sure, 9000 years of capital development makes no difference

2019-10-30 02:23:47 UTC

@Nerthulas, explain how culture led China to be so poor to begin with.

2019-10-30 02:24:00 UTC

@fuguer universal white supremacy lol

2019-10-30 02:24:01 UTC

an advanced state system and a high-iq population makes no difference

2019-10-30 02:24:07 UTC

where were the 9000 years of capital development during the stagnation of the Qing?

2019-10-30 02:24:08 UTC

it is only you who is saying that China is poor

2019-10-30 02:24:20 UTC

hey, how did you KNOW china's pop back then had high IQ?

2019-10-30 02:24:22 UTC

we know china had civilization

2019-10-30 02:24:23 UTC

they were ***relatively*** poor

2019-10-30 02:24:30 UTC

Where are your empirical studies for that?

2019-10-30 02:24:39 UTC

for what?

2019-10-30 02:24:40 UTC

are native americans considered asian on those dna testing sites

2019-10-30 02:24:41 UTC

I can show you studies that say that IQ drops with poverty.

2019-10-30 02:24:45 UTC

for them being relatively poor?

2019-10-30 02:24:55 UTC

For Chinese in 1900 having high iq

2019-10-30 02:24:58 UTC

because the rich leave dumbass

2019-10-30 02:25:05 UTC

where was their high IQ during the Opium War?

2019-10-30 02:25:06 UTC

Lol not this argument

2019-10-30 02:25:06 UTC

china came to america 5000 years before columbus

2019-10-30 02:25:08 UTC

genes and environment are difficult to separate

2019-10-30 02:25:11 UTC

@Deleted User yes, i think most of them there are like 5 different haplogroups though

2019-10-30 02:25:12 UTC

what is this argument

2019-10-30 02:25:20 UTC

try 13k~

2019-10-30 02:25:21 UTC

you can be high iq and lose wars and have trouble

2019-10-30 02:25:22 UTC

wtf

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lol

2019-10-30 02:25:25 UTC

This argument is vaush levels of retardation

2019-10-30 02:25:28 UTC

yea

2019-10-30 02:25:34 UTC

maybe 5k too, there were serverall migrations

2019-10-30 02:25:39 UTC

So what use is IQ and genes to explaining history then?

2019-10-30 02:25:46 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638926494374297610/0e1hz6p6wiv31.png

2019-10-30 02:25:47 UTC

i heard 5k based on stone anchors

2019-10-30 02:25:47 UTC

and i've seen studies that show the poorest whites score higher than the wealthiest blacks on the SATs :D. must be culturally bias of standardized testing rearing its ugly head yet again ๐Ÿ˜„

2019-10-30 02:25:47 UTC

really?

2019-10-30 02:25:53 UTC

Are we even sure that the current china pop. is similar to the ones during their feudal eras?

2019-10-30 02:25:55 UTC
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I say that they were high-iq because they are high-iq now and I don't think that a genetic change that significant happened in a mere 100 years

2019-10-30 02:25:57 UTC

see, when it comes to blacks sucking, you guys go "it's cuz their IQ and genes"

2019-10-30 02:26:05 UTC

China didn't 'suck'

2019-10-30 02:26:14 UTC

relatively compared to now

2019-10-30 02:26:15 UTC

its literally only you who is saying that

2019-10-30 02:26:16 UTC

I ***never*** conceded that

2019-10-30 02:26:22 UTC

to use your OWN terminology

2019-10-30 02:26:36 UTC

it is a falsity in your brain that China was as poor as afria in the year 1900

2019-10-30 02:26:38 UTC

No one conceded to your smooth brain position @BabygottBach

2019-10-30 02:26:38 UTC

I mean, late Qing China did seriously fucking suck.

2019-10-30 02:26:40 UTC

Lol

2019-10-30 02:26:50 UTC

@Nerthulas I didn't say that. That's your own invention.

2019-10-30 02:26:51 UTC

I don't give a fuck

2019-10-30 02:26:53 UTC

they had cities

2019-10-30 02:26:54 UTC

Stop attributing it to me

2019-10-30 02:26:56 UTC

the clovis civilization date back to like 13k, there has been evidence of earlier migrations but the evidence isn't as strong @Deleted User

2019-10-30 02:26:56 UTC

jews control america

2019-10-30 02:26:59 UTC

that's totally incomparable

2019-10-30 02:27:02 UTC

to the situation in africa

2019-10-30 02:27:09 UTC

You don't give a fuck because China utterly blows apart your world view.

2019-10-30 02:27:10 UTC

Is Bach arguing against both culture and genetics

2019-10-30 02:27:23 UTC

are you a Jared diamondite?

2019-10-30 02:27:25 UTC

compared to most of humanity for most of history, Qing China was a wealthy society

2019-10-30 02:27:28 UTC

Geographic determinism

2019-10-30 02:27:29 UTC

The fact of the matter is history can not be explained by either IQ or genetics.

2019-10-30 02:27:36 UTC

China ***confirms*** my world view

2019-10-30 02:27:38 UTC

@Nerthulas, not the late Qing.

2019-10-30 02:27:39 UTC

Youโ€™re a guns germs and Steelers

2019-10-30 02:27:40 UTC

13k is plausible, given the differences between natives and modern asians

2019-10-30 02:27:42 UTC

idk wtf he talking about at this point @fuguer

2019-10-30 02:27:52 UTC

China had a functioning society in which they had an established civilization

2019-10-30 02:27:54 UTC

@fuguer, I'm a historical materialist.

2019-10-30 02:28:00 UTC

He sounds like he took the guns germs and steel pill

2019-10-30 02:28:09 UTC

And it was and still is socially cohesive

2019-10-30 02:28:11 UTC

Even though diamonds work is totally discredited by social sciences

2019-10-30 02:28:20 UTC

Ryan faulk did a nice video on that

2019-10-30 02:28:21 UTC

That's cuz guns germs and steel, at its best, mirrors Marxist historical materialism.

2019-10-30 02:28:22 UTC

@Deleted User well, the 13k migrants weren't the same as modern chinese, they just have a shared ancestor

2019-10-30 02:28:41 UTC

My point is very simple

2019-10-30 02:28:44 UTC

Guns germs and steel = cuckery

2019-10-30 02:28:48 UTC

'why did China end up rich and Sub-Saharan Africa end up poor' <:kekboi:417880491182653450>

2019-10-30 02:28:49 UTC

Why is Africa shit today?

2019-10-30 02:28:55 UTC

Because of Africans

2019-10-30 02:28:55 UTC

you are historically illiterate

2019-10-30 02:28:56 UTC

they are said to be more siberian like following mamoths @Deleted User

2019-10-30 02:28:57 UTC

If youโ€™re arguing a nations success depends on genetics culture and geographic factors I donโ€™t disagree

2019-10-30 02:28:57 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638927294265819137/7nh55wypaav31.png

2019-10-30 02:29:02 UTC

Imagine equating China to Africa

2019-10-30 02:29:02 UTC

@Nerthulas answer the fucking question.

2019-10-30 02:29:09 UTC

Lol

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russian asian?

2019-10-30 02:29:11 UTC

But if you say culture doesnโ€™t matter at all thatโ€™s nonsensical

2019-10-30 02:29:12 UTC

My sides

2019-10-30 02:29:17 UTC

You can't answer it, so you resort to cheap insults.

2019-10-30 02:29:19 UTC

I'm weak

2019-10-30 02:29:21 UTC

Bruh

2019-10-30 02:29:25 UTC

Why do you think we evolve culture and traditions because they have survival value

2019-10-30 02:29:25 UTC

@BabygottBach BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS EVOLVED DUE TO NO CIVILIZATION

2019-10-30 02:29:25 UTC

the answer is that they only developed civilization (with our help) in the last two centuries

2019-10-30 02:29:37 UTC

also they may have bred with a monkey like species

2019-10-30 02:29:51 UTC

compared to China, which developed civilization more than 9000 years ago

2019-10-30 02:29:58 UTC

lesser homonoid the "ghost species"

2019-10-30 02:30:00 UTC

I admire baby got Bach for presenting his thoughts to opposing sides while being outnumbered

2019-10-30 02:30:06 UTC

jamal doesn't know the price of diamonds on the global market

2019-10-30 02:30:14 UTC

@Deleted User Explain china's precipitous fall in the first place.

2019-10-30 02:30:15 UTC

so he gets paid a dollar a day to mine them

2019-10-30 02:30:32 UTC

Right or wrong thatโ€™s a difficult position to be in

2019-10-30 02:30:33 UTC

the second reason, and these are not distinct, is that the Chinese have a much higher G-potential than the sub-saharans

2019-10-30 02:30:51 UTC
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9000 year old civilization built independently by high-iq people vs 200 year old civilization built by foreigners

2019-10-30 02:31:13 UTC

@Nerthulas, what is China's g potential compared to western European?

2019-10-30 02:31:22 UTC

probably higher

2019-10-30 02:31:26 UTC

they apparently have a higher IQ

2019-10-30 02:31:29 UTC

so

2019-10-30 02:31:34 UTC

though there's reason to believe those are falsified

2019-10-30 02:31:39 UTC

why did Europeans outstrip the Chinese utterly?

2019-10-30 02:31:43 UTC

or at least suspects

2019-10-30 02:31:46 UTC

*suspect

2019-10-30 02:32:00 UTC

one theory is the black death caused labor to become very expensive, necessitating the industrial revolution

2019-10-30 02:32:04 UTC

fuck china

2019-10-30 02:32:22 UTC

The marxist view of history relies on tabula rasa with respect to inter-human-differenceces which has been roundly debunked so why are you even arguing?

2019-10-30 02:32:24 UTC

at my job, i get to put the "made in the USA" sticker on the shit i make

2019-10-30 02:32:25 UTC

Of course you'd question Chinese IQ stats. I'm assuming you think China had these IQ lead for quite a while.

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