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of course China has never been as poor as Sub-Saharan africa
what a ridiculous statement
China was incredibly poor.
that's not even controversial to say
relative
what is relativity
You would know ridiculous statements, you've been making them this WHOLE conversation.
Mods get the gas we got Koreans here
it was poor compared to the west, and to Japan
roof koreans?
it was not poor in absolute terms
Baby is a korean
hmm
Taiwan?
You know what? I agree with you Communist. Biology isn't a thing. You should import millions of Africans.
what was the average life expectancy of China at the turn of the 20th century?
Hero
BabygottBach, how big of a town do you live in? not trying to dox, just currious
it literally doesn't matter, China was not poor in absolute terms
I live in a fairly large city.
<:soyboy:421747339167006724>
he means commune lol
the Chinese had cities and roads
China was absolutely poor in absolut eterms.
what do you think about someone living in rural nebraska?
its not comparable
City fag
are they poor?
it quite literally is.
f-word
cause they dont' have a whole foods
not even remotely
China was just slightly ahead of Africa at the time.
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There's your relativity.
you can't say the f word
?
nah, sorry
sorry for the inconvenience
<:kraut:389881471881576448> are you being racist against are yellow brothers
what about gay
'China was just slightly ahead of Africa at the time'
lmfao
unless u want to be brown maxim
poor is a poor choice to measure a people
okay buddy
like baby is extremely gay
i want to talk to russians again
Yes, study some fucking history please.
What was the Taiping Rebellion
lol, you lost fren?
what were the Opium Wars?
He is
What was the boxer rebellion?
a society which had developed civilization 9000 years previously was 'just ahead' of a society which had never developed civilization
bud
Opium wars were when China tried to force Britain to buy opium
Shameful
if you're ***having*** rebellions, you're at a certain level of development
At one point under colonialism, Africa had some of the high developed cities in the world
What were the countless treaties that foreign nations forced china to sign?
which is ***far*** ahead of that of sub-saharan africa
this is a joke
@Nerthulas. nice moving of the goal posts. I'm not talking about development. I'm talking about wealth.
South africa used to be a nuclear power in fact
The wealth of nations
Comes from one source
buh buh booty
China had become incredibly poor by the time of the Xinhai revolution.
Now according to you, this is due to genes.
I use development and wealth interchangeably, besides, China wouldn't pass the standard for poverty in terms of wealth either
So when China becomes the largest economy today, this is ALSO due to genes.
they had their own state
foreign genes get it right city gayboi
they could levy taxes
China, in 1900, wouldn't pass the
holy shit
not a comparable situation
If a nation is poor once. No thatโs not genes. If a nation has always been poor since the beginning of time. Genes are a valid hypothesis
China in 1900 was ***fucking rich***
Do you KNOW how many Chinese peasants were starving to death every year in China pre revolution?
imagine
God you're just bullshitting now.
compared to most of the world for most of history
cocaine being legal
again
lol, get some historical perspective
Ad hominem
You lost
Chinese life expectancy was literally in the 30s
that's rich?
Are you kidding me?
Mean or median life expectancy
so development =/= wealth, but life expectancy = wealth?
it doesn't matter if the peasants are dying, peasants die, that doesn't mean that the country isn't rich
lol
How?
life expectancy is not wealth. the wealthy still got mercury "cures" back in the day
urban poverty is something distinct from never having developed enough technology or infrastructure to even have cities
Mean life expectancy of 30s means famine. Thatโs not a situation that can last
I don't know why you keep going back to this issue of infrastruccture.
The Chinese aren't human
costs $$$
Eventually people starve and life expectancy rises
infrastructure is capital
@fuguer, China was pretty much experiencing faming constantly around that time.
built up by the imperialist colonialists in Africa, I suppose?
if you have millions of urban people to have starve, you're already at a certain level of development
The Chinese treat their own like robots
aka wealth
Iโd have to study the cause or ask my wife
which the sub-saharans never reached
My OP to you was to explain the difference between the Chinese and African experience of the 20th century.
My wife is pretty proud of China certainly never saw them as a weak failing nation
Now according to you, the white saviors came into Africa and built it all up.
simple, China had a civilization and Africa did not
If you are a hapa , you are half non human
ancient depiction of Hercules
clearly a Black man
what is going in the pic?
Chinese culture or civilization is not the ultimate explanation.
Whatโs the ultimate explanation
breeders in civilization select traits that are good for civilization, over the course of thousands of years this makes people amongst these civilizations better prepared for a society. Policy can be made by civilization to speed this up, but this takes generations. Plus, the fact that sub-saharan africans were cut off from the rest of the world kept them from spreading information. explain this:
yeah sure, 9000 years of capital development makes no difference
@Nerthulas, explain how culture led China to be so poor to begin with.
an advanced state system and a high-iq population makes no difference
where were the 9000 years of capital development during the stagnation of the Qing?
it is only you who is saying that China is poor
hey, how did you KNOW china's pop back then had high IQ?
we know china had civilization
they were ***relatively*** poor
Where are your empirical studies for that?
for what?
are native americans considered asian on those dna testing sites
I can show you studies that say that IQ drops with poverty.
for them being relatively poor?
For Chinese in 1900 having high iq
because the rich leave dumbass
where was their high IQ during the Opium War?
Lol not this argument
china came to america 5000 years before columbus
genes and environment are difficult to separate
@Deleted User yes, i think most of them there are like 5 different haplogroups though
what is this argument
try 13k~
you can be high iq and lose wars and have trouble
wtf
lol
This argument is vaush levels of retardation
yea
maybe 5k too, there were serverall migrations
So what use is IQ and genes to explaining history then?
i heard 5k based on stone anchors
and i've seen studies that show the poorest whites score higher than the wealthiest blacks on the SATs :D. must be culturally bias of standardized testing rearing its ugly head yet again ๐
really?
Are we even sure that the current china pop. is similar to the ones during their feudal eras?
@themiddleman๐ธ dead meme
I say that they were high-iq because they are high-iq now and I don't think that a genetic change that significant happened in a mere 100 years
see, when it comes to blacks sucking, you guys go "it's cuz their IQ and genes"
China didn't 'suck'
relatively compared to now
its literally only you who is saying that
I ***never*** conceded that
to use your OWN terminology
it is a falsity in your brain that China was as poor as afria in the year 1900
No one conceded to your smooth brain position @BabygottBach
I mean, late Qing China did seriously fucking suck.
Lol
@Nerthulas I didn't say that. That's your own invention.
I don't give a fuck
they had cities
Stop attributing it to me
the clovis civilization date back to like 13k, there has been evidence of earlier migrations but the evidence isn't as strong @Deleted User
jews control america
that's totally incomparable
to the situation in africa
You don't give a fuck because China utterly blows apart your world view.
Is Bach arguing against both culture and genetics
are you a Jared diamondite?
compared to most of humanity for most of history, Qing China was a wealthy society
Geographic determinism
The fact of the matter is history can not be explained by either IQ or genetics.
China ***confirms*** my world view
@Nerthulas, not the late Qing.
Youโre a guns germs and Steelers
13k is plausible, given the differences between natives and modern asians
idk wtf he talking about at this point @fuguer
China had a functioning society in which they had an established civilization
@fuguer, I'm a historical materialist.
He sounds like he took the guns germs and steel pill
And it was and still is socially cohesive
Even though diamonds work is totally discredited by social sciences
Ryan faulk did a nice video on that
That's cuz guns germs and steel, at its best, mirrors Marxist historical materialism.
@Deleted User well, the 13k migrants weren't the same as modern chinese, they just have a shared ancestor
My point is very simple
Guns germs and steel = cuckery
'why did China end up rich and Sub-Saharan Africa end up poor' <:kekboi:417880491182653450>
Why is Africa shit today?
Because of Africans
you are historically illiterate
they are said to be more siberian like following mamoths @Deleted User
If youโre arguing a nations success depends on genetics culture and geographic factors I donโt disagree
Imagine equating China to Africa
@Nerthulas answer the fucking question.
Lol
russian asian?
But if you say culture doesnโt matter at all thatโs nonsensical
My sides
You can't answer it, so you resort to cheap insults.
I'm weak
Bruh
Why do you think we evolve culture and traditions because they have survival value
@BabygottBach BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS EVOLVED DUE TO NO CIVILIZATION
the answer is that they only developed civilization (with our help) in the last two centuries
also they may have bred with a monkey like species
compared to China, which developed civilization more than 9000 years ago
lesser homonoid the "ghost species"
I admire baby got Bach for presenting his thoughts to opposing sides while being outnumbered
jamal doesn't know the price of diamonds on the global market
@Deleted User Explain china's precipitous fall in the first place.
so he gets paid a dollar a day to mine them
Right or wrong thatโs a difficult position to be in
the second reason, and these are not distinct, is that the Chinese have a much higher G-potential than the sub-saharans
9000 year old civilization built independently by high-iq people vs 200 year old civilization built by foreigners
@Nerthulas, what is China's g potential compared to western European?
probably higher
they apparently have a higher IQ
so
though there's reason to believe those are falsified
why did Europeans outstrip the Chinese utterly?
or at least suspects
*suspect
one theory is the black death caused labor to become very expensive, necessitating the industrial revolution
fuck china
The marxist view of history relies on tabula rasa with respect to inter-human-differenceces which has been roundly debunked so why are you even arguing?
at my job, i get to put the "made in the USA" sticker on the shit i make
Of course you'd question Chinese IQ stats. I'm assuming you think China had these IQ lead for quite a while.
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