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99% of modern architecture is trash
if you love that stuff check out this twitter account https://twitter.com/CursedModernism?s=17
some is pretty cool
THE DECLARATION OF WAR
68ers!
Weโve laid out our arguments in their entirety. At last!
Weโve analysed your deeds and your influence in a
wide array of settings. We know what you wanted and
what you realised.
We grasp you and your doings even better than
yourselves. Now hear our verdict:
Now and for all times, we declare you to be the
downfall and undoing of Europe and the world. You are
the enemies of all identities and the opponents of all
forms of diversity.
You abhor everything vibrant and colourful. You
knowingly destroyed everything that was holy to us and
to our ancestors. You damned us to this life in a pale
twilight. You murdered our siblings and abandoned your
responsibilities.
You fought against everything natural and killed
everything that had grown up over centuries. Now we
are bringing you to justice.
We will tear the sceptre of power from your trembling
hands. If you donโt want to give it up, we will fight you
until youโre dethroned and rendered harmless.
However long it may take, whatever it may cost, we
will defeat you. Your era is at an end. Weโll sweep your
delusional ideas out along with you. You should know
that we will eradicate the power structures you used to
dominate us, root and branch.
*
Our patience has reached its end.
Donโt think of this book as a manifesto. Itโs a
declaration of war.
Our war against you.
That quote isn't quite about the left ๐ ๐ ๐
๐
FORKS WILL NOT REPLACE US
SPORKS ARE DANGEROUS
SPQRS
I think it's a good book for a high school magapede to read
A young zoomer
This is a church....
@CursedModernism on Twitter
church of what?
...
I'm thinking of gifting it to my little bro since he's already a Trumpist.
get out
gray and chairs yes how lovely
it looks *okay*, but not for a church...
its a great anti-Boomer manifesto
Im partial to Buchanan so far
rules for radicals, i haven't read it
2 for ROR - 1 for white identity
post the list i cant remember lol
white identity
rules for radicals
why we fight
death of the west
trump's campaign was basically buchanon's
from the 90's
โ
hon hon
Guillaume Faye
kirisute gomen
Thanks again for all who joined! Great conversation - looking forward to the next book.
Lovely time, guys.
So I recently ordered Rules for Radicals a few weeks ago without even knowing it was going to be the botm. Checked this server today and lo and behold there it is. Look forward to reading it with you guys!
Haha that's awesome!
So what's the schedule for this one?
<#407044817449779200> ....
Democracy big gay.
I really wanted to be here. I have to work on my truck tho ๐
Next time!
why we fight is really intense! reading that now
is that a cat?
sounds like it
that's a good point. i try to disrupt the mainstream narrative in gentle ways (with people who aren't open)
It's interesting reading White Identity and Troublesome Inheritance at the same time. You can see some of the evolutionary background for the race-centric behavior described in WI, like:
Having a territory for your tribe (e.g., delineated by a certain street, in chapter 3)
Feeling good about protecting your in-group from the out-group and putting the interests of your in-group first
seems like humans (and chimps) have done this for a while
This one made me laugh
We all know we pay for diversity and its consequences in a myriad of ways, here whites LITERALLY pay for it (la crosse, wi is a very white town)
This, and the situation with poc medical doctors.
yeah, it does make me want to choose white or asian doctors when I can, if the standards for medical school admission are so different
It's one way I broach race realism with my normie friends
I tell them, I have to be justifiably racist for my health.
I know, for an indisputable fact, that they are underqualified
oh really? that's interesting about the roman legions
Yeah, vaguely familiar with Roman legion issues with diversity
"many studies have found that African American military personnel have higher rates of PTSD compared to their White peers." https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10926771.2016.1157842
" In past several decades, a number of studies have focused on combat-related PTSD and have identified individual and social risk factors, these risk factors include being younger at the time of the trauma, being female, being of a racial minority..."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4368749/
@apronandlace those civil war studies stuck out to me as well.
yeah, good point that the feeling of kinship can be protective
Stefan just had a great video on Medicaid fraud
link?
someone who used to be an investigator of medicaid fraud
interesting that military privatization is heading more toward segregation again
"Private vendors are not engaged in the same social engineering project as the military and, as a result, tend to hire and fire people based on their ability to work effectively as a team. Like many companies, they have little incentive to invest in helping diverse teams learn to work together as effectively as possible. Building diverse teams โ especially ones in which members depend on each other for their survival โ is extremely hard, time-consuming, and emotionally exhausting. As a result, private companies focus on โculture fitโ, emphasize teams that get along, and look for people who already have the necessary skills, all of which helps reinforce existing segregation patterns."
yeah, diversity "enriches " us but we hardly ever see these people sometimes (like the Chinese enclave)
he talks about it toward the end
yeah
that's a good point, that white identity in the present involves a lot of work to just get to the point of being able to start having it
our environment doesn't support an identity or defined space, culture, way of life for us.
communism also affected post 1965 immigration because lots of people were not allowed to leave Eastern bloc countries
"While the billโs champions, including LBJ and Celler, were committed to ethnic and racial pluralism, they anticipated that most of its beneficiaries would hail from Europe.
But the story played out differently. As Europeโs economy finally emerged from the ashes of World War II, fewer residents of Ireland, Italy or Germany moved to the United States, while those residing in the Soviet bloc found it all but impossible to try."
I'm working on Spanish in duolingo myself
i took it in hs so it's gonna be much easier for me to learn and use
you're seeing more inter-racial conflict among Democrats, more balkanization of the Democratic party
huh I never thought of it that way, that emigration restrictions in Eastern Europe affected the US
On the other hand, the democratic party, like the communist party, by raising up people who would otherwise never have power, can still stay a stable bulwark, mainly because it is the source of their worth and unites them notwithstanding their differences.
yeah, i was referring more to the question on cyberstrike
Ah, I see.
yeah the low humidity here is good
I'm open to moving in the future with the intention of forming a community
I think we could have a lot of success in a small city
small mw city
surrounding suburbs and the like
I think so too.
same
yeah that is inspiring
workers rights, no child workers, etc
yeah
lmao
That is disturbing
lol
lower testosterone in men might be a factor
anyone looking to discuss community building ideas?
I feel pretty good about closing
since we touched on it earlier
sure i'd talk about community building
other than that, i'm done on the book
ok
i've talked about it before
oh
sounds similar to cohousing
great idea
Well guys I know I didnโt interact much (doing school while I listened), but thanks for the discussion. I love our community and enjoy watching it grow.
For sure, man.
Gotta duck out and take care of some life issue I hear going on downstairs (5 kids lol). Communities are key, I agree.
Might be good to get homeschooling resources together for members? recommended textbooks and books?
ron paul has a home schooling curriculum
cool!
if you all are looking into buying a home, I really recommend Nolo's Guide to buying your first home
good point
might be good to make a section in the Skills server about moving/buying houses
good point
Scottsdale seems alright
curriculum is secondary to me atm. something that can be settled in time with ease imo
renting a house in a poor la area sounds like a landlord's worst nightmare
It's been a pleasure talking with you all, hope to be back next weekend, but I gotta take off. ๐
I am trying to build a few tiny homes on my 12 acres, also have an opportunity to build one extra home on a lot. The goal is to bring young men wanting to start families and help in their community with other brothers.
wow!
bye1
@PatrickAZ let me know if you have actions in AZ and I might be able to make it, I'm in NM. I'm not on your slack
@apronandlace will do. I am hoping to do an open invite party to IE members. After I get the property in nice order.
cool!
@PatrickAZ that sounds great!
October?
i guess I was not around then
k
@Mick it will take a couple years but it's an option I want available.
@PatrickAZ Any irl action people take is fantastic!
There are many approaches, and some people like yourself have skills that can have a greater irl impact than others, ie building physical structures
you own land in AZ?
That's a great idea/plan
I am very excited to get it moving and build a nice conclave of upstanding white men and women.
Building a fleet of tiny houses is great. It gives people a place to start to build something more substantial. Get a bunch of folks physically there for a low cost. Great idea!
How many are you trying to build?
Much of our evolution as a distinct
species took place before the invention of agriculture, during the millions
of years our human and proto-human ancestors lived in hunter-gatherer
bands. The members of small bands were usually related to each other,
and it was important for them to cooperate and even sacrifice for each
other. At the same time, strangers were potentially dangerous competitors
for food and territory.
As Edward O. Wilson of Harvard has explained:
"The strongest evoker of aggressive response in animals is the sight of a
stranger, especially a territorial intruder. This xenophobic principle has
been documented in virtually every group of animals displaying higher
forms of social organization." 4
Groups that did not defend territory against intruders were less likely to
survive. โOur behavioral predisposition to ethnic nepotism evolved in the
struggle for existence because it was rational and useful,โ explains
Finnish scholar Tatu Vanhanen.5
Many kinds of animal behavior can be explained by genetic similarity
theory. Animals have a preference for close kin, and study after study has shown that they have a remarkable ability to tell kin from strangers. Frogs
lay eggs in bunches, but they can be separated and left to hatch
individually. When tadpoles are then put into a tank, brothers and sisters
somehow recognize each other and cluster together rather than mix with
tadpoles from different mothers.6
Female Beldingโs ground squirrels may mate with more than one male
before they give birth, so a litter can be a mix of full siblings and half
siblings. Like tadpoles, they can tell each other apart. Full siblings
cooperate more with each other than with half-siblings, fight less, and are
less likely to run each other out of the territory when they grow up.7
Even bees know who their relatives are. In one experiment, bees were
bred for 14 different degrees of relatednessโsisters, cousins, second
cousins, etc.โto bees in a particular hive. When the bees were then
released near the hive, guard bees had to decide which ones to let in.
They distinguished between degrees of kinship with almost perfect
accuracy, letting in the closest relatives and chasing away more distant
kin. The correlation between relatedness and likelihood of being
admitted was a remarkable 0.93.8
Ants are famous for cooperation and willingness to sacrifice for the
colony. This is due to a quirk in ant reproduction that means worker ants
are 70 percent genetically identical to each other. But even among ants,
there can be greater or less genetic diversity, and the most closely related
groups of ants appear to cooperate best.
Even plants cooperate with close kin and compete with strangers.
Normally, when two plants are put in the same pot, they grow bigger root
systems, trying to crowd each other out and get the most nutrients. A wild flower called the Sea Rocket, which grows on beaches, does not do that if
the two plants come from the same โmotherโ plant. They recognize each
othersโ root secretions and avoid wasteful competition.10
People often behave according to genetic similarity theory, and the
scholar who has probably written most extensively in this field is J.
Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario. โGenetically similar
people tend to seek one another out and to provide mutually supportive
environments such as marriage, friendship, and social groups,โ
12 he has
written. For example, spouses tend to resemble each other, not just in
age, ethnicity, and education (r = 0.6) but in opinions and attitudes (r =
0.5), intelligence (r = 0.4), and even in such things as personality and
physical traits (r = 0.2). They are even like each other in undesirable
traits such as aggressiveness, criminality, alcoholism, and mental disease.
It is possible to predict how happy a couple is by knowing how similar they
are. Best friends are as similar to each other and in the same ways as
spouses. Likewise, in mixed families of adopted and natural children, the
friends of biological siblings resemble each other more than do the
friends of adopted siblings.13
I have always known, since high school, even before I was race-conscious, that I was most comfortable around Indian (continent) people, of all non-white people. and it turns out they're probably genetically closer to Europeans (than other non-white groups) and often classified as Caucasian anyway.
Diversity is a pretty ironic "moral" goal, when the book makes the case that it increases discomfort, violence, etc., and decreases social cohesion and community.
*I'll cut in if I could and say Jared Taylor goes over in this in other chapters how even other non whites do not prefer the company of other non whites, Hispanics vs blacks for example.
I thought this was a good quote at the end
Kind of poignant, like what do we do if it was a mistake
the last word is "expectations"
It's not difficult to reduce diversity in your persona ll ife
*life
same here, my high school was 80% white when I went there and is now 80% minority
I've thought about moving mostly for economic reasons but if I did move I'd want to move somewhere white certainly.
even without moving, you can surround yourself with white people as much as possible.... friends, people you hire/patronize/etc.
Some people just don't have much political interest even if they can tell things are wrong.
I read the bulk of it a little bit ago and didn't quite finish it, I agree that it has a lot of useful anecdotes especially dismissive of 'diversity is our strength'.
I'm more amused that Jared Taylor has a discord.
Iโve liked it so far. Iโm through chapters 1 and 2. The history and subsequent failure of bussing / desegregation are interesting things I wasnโt familiar with.
I think this kind of expands to people not being more cautious when they are around for example a large amount of black youths when they are statistically much more likely to be a danger to you.
And are not cautious because they consciously or subconsciously do not want to be 'racist'
The ROI is bad.
Expensive with little upside in the moral of financial sense.
Or
Diversity wouldnโt be much of a VC pitch.
I'm hoping for an increase in white solidarity once more whites realize that we are in an Us versus Them situation.
I don't get too blackpilled
To qoute Oswald Spengler: Wish as we may for this, or that; we have to face the facts as they are, for that is the hallmark of men of quality. We are the last men of the West, and we must stand tall until the bitter end.
The are high IQ, competent, with strong in group preference.
Good recap anyway
Thank you.
Good night
Great discussion for all who joined, talk to you next week!!
I believe her book was mentioned in White Identity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-DbLiTWY58&feature=em-uploademail
Stefan talking about our White Identity book topics!
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1089015148293963776
Joining in just a second, diacord is updating on my computer
Ok. Hello hello.
Hey!
Marcus Garvey
Black separatist
Yes. The number of black only groups was interesting.
Only 3% white to black crime
This is the argument for universal basic income. Robots replace labor that lower IQ people can do. We then have to take care of them. We can't do that if we're 80% black and mexican. If there were a few 80s IQ whites, we could wing it.
Indeed, that's what Japan does. they (at least until recently) use automation and robots rather than immigrants
It must be noted...Thereโs nothing wrong with having decent sized families. Whites should learn from those outbreeding us.
I went to a free dental clinic for work. All of the receptionists were Mexican. All of the patients were Somali with a lot of children getting free state funded care. Also, recently saw a ~1200 sq ft house with 15 mexican children exiting. I counted.
wow
PLUS ULLTRAAAA
I support that message. Lol
yes lots of malaria in Africa
Just FYI - Sickle cell trait provides protection against malaria. That's likely why it hasn't been selected against in the black population in Africa.
G6P deficiency helps too and is there too
yes amren had a video on how they're stopping enforcing fare evasion and other small crimes that minority groups commit at higher rates
He may be less candid if it is public.
Great idea.
those opposition books would make for good discussion
Good point. AIU is an example. Heโs a race realist but isnโt an Idenitarian at all.
lol
Thanks for you discussion tonight. Goodnight fellas.
We were talking about the consequences of in-group preference in a diverse setting just yesterday for the BOTM. I brought up the example of how some cities in California have two pledge of allegiances... Just saw this in my Twitter feed.
https://twitter.com/campusreform/status/1089989000528646144?s=19
Amazing
@CarletonJ Was this recent?
very good sign - making USA flag a symbol of whites is wonderful for us
Dang. Missed the JT session. Anyone know what we're reading next.
?
Jacob and Carleton recorded the entire thing @Mick
we will get something sorted out to let people who missed it hear it
@Jacob Thanks so much, I could have swore the interview was on the 11th, I'd definitely listen in.
When will recording be available? I was in the Smoky mountains with my dad, experiencing whiteness.
Update on the recording? Thanks @VinceChaos!
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ORGEON TRAIL
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