I didn't see the post, just that Siggy was extremely displeased

@everyone hop in voice, we're going to start discussing chapters 2 and 3 of White Identity in 5 minutes

Sorry dogs going nuts talking

Many companies and universities have a “chief diversity officer” who reports
directly to the president. In 2006, Michael J. Tate was vice president for equity
and diversity of Washington State University. He had an annual budget of three
million dollars, a full-time staff of 55, and took part in the highest levels of
university decision-making. There were similarly powerful “chief diversity
officers” at Harvard, Berkeley, the University of Virginia, Brown, and the
University of Michigan.21 In 2006, the University of Wisconsin at La Crosse
decided that diversity was so important that its beneficiaries—students—should
pay for it. It increased in-state tuition by 24 percent, from $5,555 to $6,875, to
cover the costs of recruitment to increase diversity.

why work when you can sue

Grrr.

good point Samantha. Gotta justify your paycheck.

wtf is national origin discrimination? firing pajeet because he pooped in the parking lot outside hte building?

yep

American law schools are accredited by the American Bar Association
(ABA), which uses its power to promote diversity. In 2000, the ABA discovered
that 93.5 percent of first-year students at George Mason University law school in
northern Virginia were white. The ABA recognized that GMU had made a “very
active effort to recruit minorities,” but said it had not done enough. With its
accreditation at stake, GMU law school lowered standards for non-white
applicants and admitted more: 10.98 percent in 2001 and 16.16 percent in 2002.
That was still not enough. In 2003, the ABA summoned GMU’s president and
law school dean and threatened them to their faces with disaccreditation unless
they admitted more non-whites. GMU lowered standards even further, and
managed to raise its non-white admissions to 17.3 percent in 2003, and 19
percent in 2004. This was still not good enough. “Of the 99 minority students in
2003,” the ABA complained, “only 23 were African American; of 111 minority
students in 2004, the number of African Americans held at 23.”

True diversity required more blacks, but what of the blacks GMU did admit?
From 2003 to 2005, fully 45 percent had grade-point averages below 2.15, which
was defined as “academic failure.” For non-black students, the figure was 4
percent. GMU officials pointed out that the ABA’s own Standard 501(b) says
that “a law school shall not admit applicants who do not appear capable of
satisfactorily completing its educational program and being admitted to the bar.”
Law school dean Dan Polsby explained that this requirement was the greatest
obstacle to increased diversity.

black lawyer objection replacing "I object" with "aye hol up"

@celticflame What percentage of your husband's co-workers could be defined as "diversity hires?"

Not really sure @SamanthaM

wakanda studies

@celticflame Sorry, just wondering. :) Avionics seems like a super competitive field.

ooga booga

Actual advantage may be sacrificed for diversity. North Miami used to require that police officers know how to swim because they may have to rescue someone
in the water. In 2004, the department dropped that requirement because it desperately wanted Haitian officers, and most Haitian applicants could not swim. “Our swimming requirement may give the false perception that we are not serious in our efforts to hire Haitian police applicants,” explained police chief Gwendolyn Boyd-Savage

More in his work is electronics is .ore whites though i think

thats why all the migrants drown before reaching european shores to enrich us all

Yep lol

NHI reports lower buoyancy due to bone and muscle density.

#NotFakeNews

The reason I'm not able to listen to chat right now is because the diversity hires at my work are so unreliable I always get stuck covering for them.

*Nice*

Sorry to hear @Deleted User

It's fine I'll be able to listen driving home in a bit

@Deleted User Sounds terrible

The exceptions usually involve white ethnics. At Herbert H. Lehman High School in the Bronx, 200 white students—all Albanians and many of them refugees—refused to be intimidated. They were vastly outnumbered by blacks and Hispanics, but stood up to mass attacks that had to be stopped by police. “They all hate us,” said 17-year-old Diana Gjoljaj of blacks and Hispanics. “That’s why we hang together.” Evan Small, a black junior, said blacks stick together, too: “If you see guys fighting you are going to jump in and protect your people.”

They have a greater in group identity in comparison to the masses of white Americans whose culture is denied

Dot map for Atlanta Metro.

@Anthony Sealy - MO Yeah, it's sad

Look at the upper right.

France and Russia = mostly white

@Why Tea Fantastic. Really illustrates your point.

Look how sharp the lines are when you zoom in:

Same story here

Ya it sucks

You can see the Asians at GA tech, the little red patch downtown right next to the big green area

https://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/

I live right along the racial divide line

In 2006, the Pew Hispanic Center found that the closer blacks lived to
Hispanics and the more contact they had with them, the more they favored
cutting immigration. Likewise, in a study of racial attitudes in Durham, North
Carolina, 59 percent of Latino immigrants said that few or no blacks were
hardworking, and 57 percent said that few or no blacks could be trusted. Only 9
percent of whites said that blacks were not hardworking and only 10 percent said
they could not be trusted.16 According to another study, Hispanic passengers
tipped white taxi drivers 150 percent more than they tipped black drivers.17
The city of Lynwood in Los Angeles County used to be black-dominated, but
by 2007 it was more than 80 percent Hispanic. Blacks still had considerable
power, however, because 40 percent of residents were foreign-born and many
could not vote. On the city council, disputes broke down along racial lines. “It’s
all about race,” said City Councilwoman Leticia Vasquez.

Lmao

@Why Tea HA

> “It’s all about race,”

In every measurable statistic, whites are the best.

Except IQ

3% difference between us and Asians. 15% between us and blacks. I'm not too worried.

or is it 20?

It’s 15-20 yeah

Immigrants are bringing a new kind of discrimination: “colorism,” or
complaints about skin-tone differences among people of the same race. Blacks of
different skin tones have long discriminated against each other, but in 2004,
Vice-Chair Naomi Earp of the EEOC reported that the greatest increase in
disputes had been among immigrants from India, Pakistan, and South America,
who are extremely color-conscious. She warned that as the country became more
diverse the problem of “colorism” would get worse.

they call them "high yellers" - a tinge of white/yellowish

disparagingly

(US blacks)

I had a really light skinned black girl call *herself* that. "I'm a high yella, I'm light skinned!"

The more intimate the setting, the greater the challenges of diversity. Adopted
children, for example, often report they never felt they fit in. In a British study of
adults who were adopted as children, 46 percent of whites adopted by whites
said they felt a sense of not belonging. For non-whites adopted by whites, the
figure rose to close to 75 percent. Researchers reported that their constant refrain
was, “Love is not enough.”53
There can be worse: The authors of a 2005 study on domestic violence in the
United States reached the sobering conclusion that “the incidence of spousal
homicide is 7.7 times higher in interracial marriages compared to intraracial
marriages.”54
One study for the period 1979 to 1981 found that white men who married
black women were 21.4 times more likely to be killed by their spouses than
white men who married white women. A white woman increased her risk of
being killed 12.4 times by marrying a black man. Marrying a white did not
appreciably change a black person’s risk of being killed by his or her spouse.

https://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/

@celticflame ^

Here's an example of one of the maps that overlays crimes on 'em. No statement from me on whether this is accurate and any good for your particular purposes.

https://spotcrime.com/ga/atlanta

loooooooool a true multiracial utopia

That's where Trayvon got shot

Definitely a utopia.

During Barack Obama’s campaign for President, Duke University sociologist
Eduardo Bonilla-Silva asked the white students in his class to raise their hands if
they had a black friend on campus. All did so. At the time, blacks were about 10
percent of the student body, so for every white to have a black friend, every
black must have had an average of eight or nine white friends. However, when
Prof. Bonilla-Silva asked the blacks in the class if they had white friends none
raised his hand.130 One hesitates to say the whites were lying, but there would be
deep disapproval of any who admitted to having no black friends, whereas there
was no pressure on blacks to claim they had white friends.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/atlanta/crime

Oh look the rich neighborhoods have the least crime...

Hey, I live in the most expensive neighborhood in my municipality! What a shock that it's got the lowest crime.

What, then, are the advantages of diversity that not only compensate for
agonizing conflicts but justify considering it America’s “greatest strength?” If
readers cannot immediately think of any besides ethnic restaurants, they are not
alone. A 2007 study by the University of Minnesota found that Americans claim
to be positive and even optimistic about the word “diversity” but are unable to
explain its value or give examples of its benefits. The researchers found that
even people who work in the field of race relations stumble when asked to list its
benefits.

can't give examples of benefits. surprise!

Sorry my bad

The push for diversity can lead to absurd results. Bone marrow donations
almost never work unless donor and recipient are the same race, so non-white
patients suffer because almost all the people who register as donors are white. In
2008, the National Marrow Donor Program announced that all marrow registries
would be required to meet quotas for minority donors. Officials at St. Luke’s
Mountain States Tumor Institute in Boise, Idaho said they would have to shut
down their donor registry because the demographics of the region made it
impossible to find more than a handful of non-white donors.

Switched to push to talk

Van Halen? @Deleted User

Black album

Nice

I mean African American album

Lol

Contact often has the effect of hardening hostilities, not dissolving barriers.
This effect is common in politics. When Jesse Jackson was running for the
presidential nomination of the Democratic Party, his percentage of the white vote
was consistently highest in those states with the fewest blacks. Whites with the
most actual contact with blacks were least likely to vote for him. The same was
true in 2008 during Barack Obama’s Democratic primary campaigns. He won
the highest percentages of the white vote in states such as Iowa, which has few
blacks, and the lowest percentages in states with large black populations.
Bernard N. Grofman of the University of California, Irvine has found a reliable
political correlation: As the number of blacks rises, more whites vote
Republican187—and the less likely they are to vote for black candidates.

https://www.livingcities.org/blog/1130-lack-of-section-8-is-not-just-about-poverty-it-s-about-race

Interesting stats about the relationship between race and low-income housing.

@SamanthaM Maybe repost that article in general because we'll probably shit this channel up throughout the discussion

And a few people might be interested in reading it after the discussion

Kansas City

The clear vertical line is Troost. This was created during redlining.

thast missouri

southern kasnsas city kansas - north kansas city ks is all latino

Nice

I live in the only white majority town on Oahu.

Nice

Just... not many people. I think the whole town there has like 1,300 people

Wow.

White tribal congregation anyone?

Doxxed!!!

Lol ok

That's not even wrong

Primal realities imprinted into DNA

Lol

Very, very well....

@Jacob wait until you get out in the job market man

me either

True

that wont last forever though @Why Tea

at some point there will come a saturation point

The Virgin Washington vs The Chad Idaho

@Zyzz Yeah I know, man.

With regards to the discussion about bone marrow transplants, the reason for race-specific donor consideration is due to the function of the organ and the tendency of graft vs host disease (GvHD) resulting from histo-incompatibility between cell systems. This is when transplant-dervied tissue attacks host tissues because of the expression of disparate cell surfaces molecules of host cells, which are recognized as foreign antigens by the immune cells generated from the transplanted marrow. These molecules are formally called: human leukocyte antigens. Even minor histocompatibility antigens may cause GvHD. Protein expression is correlated with race likely due to the 50,000+ years of divergent human evolution that encouraged the development of immune systems with high specificity according to local pathogens encountered.

Interesting thanks @Sean

No matter how hard i tried,basically in my zip code it came back to 53%majority white,yet yet 47% Hispanic schools,hmm,ya actaully alot higher as far as demographics go from what i see is alot higher in mexican too

Btw,i asked hubby later on,the majority of folks he works with in calibration,etc are mix of mostly asians and whites- so the factor of more asians in electronics is 1 i can apply to hubby's work.

Just delivered direct from AmRen store. Super stoked!

@Argument of Perigee THATS SO AWESOME!!!!!

@Argument of Perigee man thats awesome i need to get me one of them

I was quite surprised to find the option for an inscribed copy absolutely free. Such great gift possibilities with this.

Wow!

Prof. Choi also argued that a strong immigrant identity keeps children out of
trouble. According to her research, foreign-born children of all races—black,
white, Asian, Hispanic—get into less trouble than American-born children of the
same groups. She said black immigrants adopted the bad habits of native-born
blacks most quickly, while Asians took the longest to reach the levels of
misbehavior of American-born Asians. Prof. Choi suggested immigrants should
be in no hurry to assimilate.50
Lisa Kiang of Wake Forest University found that a strong ethnic identity was
tied to a sunny outlook: “Adolescents with a high ethnic regard maintained a
generally positive and happy attitude . . . . So, having positive feeling about
one’s ethnic group appeared to provide an extra boost of positivity in
individuals’ daily lives.” She thought society should encourage strong ethnic
identity, at least for Chinese and Mexicans, who were the two groups she
studied.

@Why Tea ^^^

What are the implications of ethnic identity for multi-racial and multi-ethnic
societies? Tatu Vanhanen of the University of Tampere, Finland, has probably
researched the effects of ethnic diversity more systematically than anyone else.
In a massive, book-length study, he measured ethnic diversity and levels of
conflict in 148 countries, and found correlations in the 0.5 to 0.9 range for the
two variables, depending on how the variables were defined and measured.
Homogeneous countries like Japan and Iceland show very low levels of conflict,
while highly diverse countries like Lebanon and Sudan are wracked with strife.53
Prof. Vanhanen found tension in all multi-ethnic societies: “Interest conflicts
between ethnic groups are inevitable because ethnic groups are genetic kinship
groups and because the struggle for existence concerns the survival of our own
genes through our own and our relatives’ descendants.”54 Prof. Vanhanen also
found that economic and political institutions make no difference; wealthy,
democratic countries suffer from sectarian strife as much as poor, authoritarian
ones: “Ethnic nepotism belongs to human nature and . . . it is independent from
the level of socioeconomic development (modernization) and also from the
degree of democratization.”

Others have argued that democracy is particularly vulnerable to ethnic
tensions while authoritarian regimes like Saddam Hussein’s Iraq or Tito’s
Yugoslavia can give the impression of holding it in check. One expert
writing in Foreign Affairs explained that for democracy to work “the party
or group that loses has to trust the new majority and believe that its basic
interests will still be protected and that there is nothing to fear from a
change in power.” He wrote that this was much less likely when opposing
parties represent different races or ethnicities.56

One must question the wisdom of then-president Bill Clinton’s explanation for
the 1999 NATO bombing of Serbia: “[T]he principle we and our allies have been
fighting for in the Balkans is the principle of multi-ethnic, tolerant, inclusive
democracy. We have been fighting against the idea that statehood must be based
entirely on ethnicity.”59
That same year, the American supreme commander of NATO, Wesley Clark,
was even more direct: “There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure
states. That’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st
century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.”

http://archive.is/XWWac

Charen

Mona Charen

Here is what she wrote in the NYT :

"But this time, and particularly in front of this crowd, it felt far more urgent to point out the hypocrisy of our side. How can conservative women hope to have any credibility on the subject of sexual harassment or relations between the sexes when they excuse the behavior of President Trump? And how can we participate in any conversation about sexual ethics when the Republican president and the Republican Party backed a man credibly accused of child molestation for the United States Senate?

I watched my fellow panelists’ eyes widen. And then the booing began.

I’d been dreading it for days, but when it came, I almost welcomed it. There is nothing more freeing than telling the truth."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Charen

Thanks!

`Charen was born to a Jewish family[5] in New York City`

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every time.

http://archive.is/meSuv

Back during my brief stint as a NeoCon-Libertarian, I enjoyed reading her columns.

In all countries ethnic diversity reduces trust. In Peruvian credit-sharing
cooperatives, members default more often on loans when there is ethnic diversity
among co-op members. Likewise, in Kenyan school districts, fundraising is
easier in tribally homogenous areas.63 Dutch researchers found that immigrants
to Holland were more likely to develop schizophrenia if they lived in mixed
neighborhoods with Dutch people than if they lived in purely immigrant areas.
Surinamese and Turks had twice the chance of getting schizophrenia if they had
to deal with Dutch neighbors; for Moroccans, the likelihood quadrupled.

Thomas A. Kochan, a professor at MIT’s Sloan School of Management, has
probably researched corporate diversity more extensively than anyone. His
conclusion after a five-year study? “The diversity industry is built on sand.”
Prof. Kochan initially contacted 20 major companies that have publicly
committed themselves to diversity, and was astonished to find that not one had
done a serious study of how diversity increased profits or improved operations.
He learned that managers are afraid that race-related research could bring on
lawsuits, but that another reason they do not look for results is “because people
simply want to believe that diversity works.”

Research shows the negative effects of diversity on the United States.
Robert Putnam of Harvard studied 41 different American communities
that ranged from the extreme homogeneity of rural South Dakota to the
very mixed populations of Los Angeles. He found a strong correlation
between homogeneity and levels of trust, with the greatest distrust in the
most diverse areas. He was unhappy with these results, and checked his
findings by controlling for any other variable that might affect trust, such
as poverty, age, crime rates, population densities, education, commuting
time, home ownership, etc. These played some role but he was forced to
conclude that “diversity per se has a major effect.”
61

What diversity does ^

Putnam's work is a huge boon for us.

Someone intellectually honest enough, even though liberal, to publish work that disproved his hypothesis.

Diversity training does not even increase diversity. A 2007 study sifted
through decades of employment statistics companies must file with the
federal government and found that training had no effect at all on the
number of women or minorities in management. “Companies have spent
millions of dollars a year on these programs without actually knowing,
‘Are these efforts worth it?’ ” explained Frank Dobbin of Harvard. “In the
case of diversity training, the answer is no.” Sometimes diversity training
even appeared to provoke resentment among managers and make
advancement more difficult for minorities.96

Many observers have pointed out that the search for diversity does not include
points of view. One study of the political affiliations of American university
professors found very few conservative affiliations, such as Republican or
Libertarian: Harvard—4 percent; Penn State—17 percent; Stanford—11 percent;
UCLA—6 percent; UC Santa Barbara—1 percent; Brown—5 percent; Cornell—
3 percent. The rest were leftist. In the 2000 presidential election, in which
George Bush and Al Gore each got 48 percent of the popular vote and Ralph
Nader got 3 percent, 84 percent of Ivy League faculty voted for Al Gore, 9
percent for George Bush, and 6 percent for Ralph Nader.

It should be clear by now that whatever Americans say about diversity, it is
not a strength. If it were a strength, Americans would practice it spontaneously.
It would not require “diversity management” or anti-discrimination laws. Nor
would it require constant reminders of how wonderful it is. It takes no
exhortations for us to appreciate things that are truly desirable: indoor plumbing,
vacations, modern medicine, friendship, or cheaper gasoline.

America’s enthusiasm for diversity therefore cannot be explained by searching
for its benefits. It can be understood only as a moral campaign that arises from
unsupported but rigidly enforced assumptions about race. There is enormous
momentum behind the orthodox view, but even orthodoxies crumble when they
are obviously wrong.
J.B.S. Haldane noted with a smile that there are four stages new ideas go
through before they are accepted: 1. This is worthless nonsense. 2. This is an
interesting, but perverse, point of view. 3. This is true, but quite unimportant. 4. I
always said so.105 The realization that diversity is not a strength is somewhere
between stages one and two, but the evidence for it is so strong that it will
eventually reach stage four.
When that happens, Western societies will have to answer some very
uncomfortable questions: If our efforts to increase diversity were a mistake, what
do we do now? Can diversity be reversed humanely? If so, how? Or do we
simply carry on, but more humbly and with lower expectations? These are some
of the questions we will examine in the concluding chapter.

Much of our evolution as a distinct
species took place before the invention of agriculture, during the millions
of years our human and proto-human ancestors lived in hunter-gatherer
bands. The members of small bands were usually related to each other,
and it was important for them to cooperate and even sacrifice for each
other. At the same time, strangers were potentially dangerous competitors
for food and territory.

As Edward O. Wilson of Harvard has explained:

"The strongest evoker of aggressive response in animals is the sight of a
stranger, especially a territorial intruder. This xenophobic principle has
been documented in virtually every group of animals displaying higher
forms of social organization." 4

- Groups that did not defend territory against intruders were less likely to
survive. “Our behavioral predisposition to ethnic nepotism evolved in the
struggle for existence because it was rational and useful,” explains
Finnish scholar Tatu Vanhanen.5

Today our lives are vastly different from
those of hunter-gatherers, but research on human behavior suggests that
many basic instincts are unchanged.

-Many kinds of animal behavior can be explained by genetic similarity
theory. Animals have a preference for close kin, and study after study has shown that they have a remarkable ability to tell kin from strangers. Frogs
lay eggs in bunches, but they can be separated and left to hatch
individually. When tadpoles are then put into a tank, brothers and sisters
somehow recognize each other and cluster together rather than mix with
tadpoles from different mothers.6

- Female Belding’s ground squirrels may mate with more than one male
before they give birth, so a litter can be a mix of full siblings and half
siblings. Like tadpoles, they can tell each other apart. Full siblings
cooperate more with each other than with half-siblings, fight less, and are
less likely to run each other out of the territory when they grow up.7

- Even bees know who their relatives are. In one experiment, bees were
bred for 14 different degrees of relatedness—sisters, cousins, second
cousins, etc.—to bees in a particular hive. When the bees were then
released near the hive, guard bees had to decide which ones to let in.
They distinguished between degrees of kinship with almost perfect
accuracy, letting in the closest relatives and chasing away more distant
kin. The correlation between relatedness and likelihood of being
admitted was a remarkable 0.93.8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchimerism

@here so find me something reputable that points to the transfer of haploid DNA into women from men's sperm.

Then bonus points on how it might possibly impact behavior measurably.

I wish that kind of analysis was allowed

http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(05)00270-6/fulltext

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0045592&utm_campaign=DonanimHaber&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=DonanimHaber

This is all fetal. All of it. There is no reference to haploid DNA (sperm). Granted, it does note male, and Y-chromosome, which is interesting in that we might then conclude that the DNA could be present if your mate had had *one or more children* (or *pregnancies*, perhaps??) with a former partner. Nothing in this seems to suggest other-than-fetal DNA.

@Sean So if we're going forward with the hypothesis, it looks like the concern is how many pregnancies by other guys. Not how many times she's had a load of semen deposited.

Not necessarily, the first study found male DNA present in 10% of nulligravid female cadavers, indicating that the origin is not always a result of fetal tissue displacement

This study also only analyzed samples derived from deceased female PBMCs. I wish there were studies that examined living female reproductive tissue in this way and was grouped by number of sexual partners. That would be interesting, but verifying those numbers could be challenging and women would not be willing to participate

Yeah. (Should check/correlate against number of partners, and would they participate...)

Oh, I see now in the first study. I missed that the first time re: no sons.

Interesting that it's higher in the group that had abortions.

The conclusion still lists the possible cause there of intercourse as one of five possibilities. I think it is still not conclusive that it's via plain intercourse. The study doesn't state that strongly.

I advise caution here and not jumping to conclusions.

Most important statement: `Besides known pregnancies, other **possible** sources of male microchimerism include unrecognized spontaneous abortion, vanished male twin, an older brother transferred by the maternal circulation, or sexual intercourse. Male microchimerism was significantly more frequent and levels were higher in women with induced abortion than in women with other pregnancy histories. Further studies are needed to determine specific origins of male microchimerism in women.` Emphasis mine. This is in no way conclusive.

Especially given the rather large pile of existing data showing a fetal source.

`About 20 to 30% of women with confirmed pregnancies bleed during the first 20 wk of pregnancy; half of these women spontaneously abort. Thus, incidence of spontaneous abortion is about 10 to 15% in confirmed pregnancies. `

https://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/gynecology-and-obstetrics/abnormalities-of-pregnancy/spontaneous-abortion

So it could come from there, or from unrecognized pregnancies that spontaneously abort, for example.

Consider the 8% for the groups only *known* to have daughters. For any group, incidence of spontaneous abortion is ~10% to 15%, which neatly encompasses the 8% for those with only daughters brought to term.

This gives a mechanism which obviates any need to include sexual intercourse alone in the causality.

I wasn't contending that male microchimerism is conclusively a result of male haploid DNA ingestion. It's difficult to determine origin, especially in deceased subjects without comparing sequences found to their sons, sexual partners, etc. I think it's interesting that ostensibly, only the Chinese are studying this.

Yeah I know you weren't contending it. It just seems that the discussion on the Alt-Right / MGTOW sphere is horribly focused on that.

When from the above we see that it's far from demonstrated conclusively.

Thanks for grabbing those studies man this shit is fascinating.

We need better ones still! Always more questions to answer

Totally agreement there, brother. No stone unturned in the search for knowledge and truth.

I won't stop you guys from having this discussion in the book of the month discussion channel, since no one really uses it except during voice chats anyway, however, there might be a better channel for this.

If you have interesting links, feel free to post them in the appropriate channel, and use that category's general for discussion

That way it will be easier to find later

lol oops.

Why Tea derails things again.

Looks like Science->General makes sense.

Nah, you didn't derail anything, because nothing was going on here anyway. Like I said, I don't know if anyone even uses this channel outside voice chats. It's just that another channel might be more convenient from a categorization standpoint.

@Why Tea You're a failure, goy. Give up now and submit to one of (((our))) many communist opportunities for disenfranchised white people! Call now! Our (((operators))) are standing by!

Oy vey!

Oklahoma City’s Millwood public school district has two pledges of
allegiance, the familiar one to the American flag, and one to Garvey’s flag. The
latter pledge, written by the founder of Kwanzaa, Maulana Ron Karenga (born
Ronald Everett), goes like this:
We pledge allegiance to the red, black and green
Our flag, the symbol of our eternal struggle, and to the land we must obtain
One nation of Black people, with one God for us all
Totally united in the struggle for Black Love, Black Freedom, and Black Determination.

The NAACP grades companies strictly on what they do for blacks: number of
blacks hired, level of charity to black organizations, number of black-owned
suppliers, etc. Any company that does not disclose this information gets a failing
grade. At the 2006 national convention, NAACP president Bruce Gordon blasted
the Target chain of retailers. “They didn’t even care to respond to our survey,” he
said. “Stay out of their stores.”

When the black owners of Community Bank of Lawndale in Chicago sold it
to Asian-American-owned International Bank, customers and former
shareholders demanded that regulators maintain black ownership because the
bank served a mostly-black neighborhood. As Rev. Marvin Hunter, leader of the
protest explained somewhat confusingly, “this is not a race issue. This is an
economic issue. We don’t believe other people can look out for the interests of
black people.”

The assumption that culture follows biology is at the root of the official black
view of cross-racial adoption. In 1972, the National Association of Black Social
Workers—the one that holds exclusively black conferences—officially declared
that adoption of blacks by whites was “genocide.” It withdrew the charge of
genocide in 1994 when Congress passed the Multiethnic Placement Act,
forbidding agencies that receive federal assistance from denying adoptions for
racial reasons, but it still opposed adoption by whites, asserting that “black
children in white homes are cut off from the healthy development of themselves
as black people.”118 In 2008, it tried to overturn the 1994 law, insisting that
“color consciousness—not ‘color blindness’—should help to shape policy
development.”119 The unspoken rule within adoption agencies is still to try to
place children with adoptive parents of the same race.

Some white men do not like the sight of mixed couples, but blacks are more
likely to react violently. Rashard Casey was the star quarterback of the Penn
State football team. In 2000, he and another black visited a Hoboken, New
Jersey, nightclub and were angry to find a black woman with a white man. When
the white man, Patrick Fitzsimmons, left the bar, they kicked him nearly to
death. Mr. Fitzsimmons was a tolerance training instructor for the Hoboken
Police Department.129
Brian Milligan, Jr. lived in a mixed neighborhood in Buffalo, New York, and
was often taunted for dating a black woman. In 2009, after he walked her home,
a group of blacks attacked him with a chunk of concrete, sending him to the
hospital with a swollen and bleeding brain, a broken jaw, and a destroyed sense
of smell. “You white motherfucker,” they shouted. “We told you to stay away
from our women.” Blacks in the neighborhood reportedly refused to come
forward with evidence against the attackers.

Miss Turner reports that paranoid rumors probably destroyed the company
that sold the Troop Sport brand of clothing. It was very popular with blacks in
the 1980s even though most whites had never heard of it. Then rumors circulated
that the Ku Klux Klan owned the company, and that Troop stood for “To Rule
Over Oppressed People.” Troop put up anti-Klan ads in stores and hired the
black group Gladys Knight and the Pips to promote the brand but the company
folded.

Blacks in upscale Shaker Heights are convinced they are victims. They are
professionals who moved to the Cleveland suburb because of its good schools,
but found that black children had an average grade point average of 1.9
compared to a white average of 3.45. John Ogbu, a Nigerian immigrant who is
an expert at UC Berkeley on race differences in school performance, moved to
Shaker Heights for nine months and researched the schools. He concluded that
most of the problem was that black students were not interested in studying—
they considered it “acting white”—and that their parents did not push them.

Some readers may feel that this chapter reflects selective reporting, and has
concentrated on atypical expressions of black solidarity and animus towards
whites. The vast majority of interactions between blacks and whites in America
today are polite, and it is impossible to portray a group of more than 30 million
people in a way that is comprehensive.
And yet, can readers think of instances in which blacks publicly urged other
blacks to set aside racial concerns, to consider themselves Americans first, and
to work for the good of all? When have black authority figures expressed regret
for even the most horrific anti-white crimes? When have blacks praised diversity
if it meant giving up black majorities? How many wealthy blacks make
charitable donations to broadly American rather than explicitly black
institutions? When has a black person publicly chided other blacks for excessive
concern with narrowly black issues? Blacks differ from whites both in what they
say and do and what they do not say or do.

Many Hispanics consider Spanish vital to their identity. Raul Yzaguirre is
former president of the Hispanic advocacy group, National Council of La Raza.
“U.S. English,” he has said, referring to the English-only advocacy group, “is to
Hispanics as the Ku Klux Klan is to blacks.”11 An attachment to a minority
language is always a sign of something broader. As one expert on ethnic conflict
explains:
When minorities demand linguistic parity, they are not only asking for language rights, but rather
a broad range of cultural rights that have come to be an extension of language. . . . The language
program is crucial because it is viewed both as an instrument of history . . . and it is the symbol of the
future, through which a program for the future may be formulated and executed.12
Some Hispanics defend Spanish to the death. Charlie Guzman and Mauricio
Escalante lived in the same apartment complex in Immokalee, Florida. They fell
into conversation at the laundry room and Mr. Escalante became angry because
Mr. Guzman preferred to speak English. Mr. Escalante went to a nearby
apartment, got a knife, and stabbed Mr. Guzman to death.

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In 2008, CNN commentator Jack Cafferty complained that China made “junk
with lead paint” and exported “poisoned pet food,” and called Chinese leaders
“basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they’ve been for the last 50
years.” In a rare act of unity, throngs of Chinese and Taiwanese gathered outside
the CNN offices in Hollywood to denounce Mr. Cafferty.

As recent a president as Dwight Eisenhower argued that although it might be
necessary to grant blacks certain political rights, this did not mean social
equality “or that a Negro should court my daughter.”32 It is only with John
Kennedy that we finally find a president whose public pronouncements on race
begin to be acceptable by today’s standards.

Ordinary working people, certainly as represented by the Socialist Party, were
not liberal about race. The socialists reached the height of their power during the
early part of the 20th century and at one time could claim 2,000 elected officials.
The party was split on the Negro question, but the anti-black faction was
stronger. The party organ, Social Democratic Herald, wrote on September 14,
1901, that blacks went “around raping women [and] children.” The socialist
press dismissed any white woman who consorted with blacks as “depraved.”
There was a strong view within the party that it was capitalism that forced the
races to live and work together, and that under socialism the race problem would
be solved through segregation. At the 1910 Socialist Party Congress, the
Committee on Immigration called for the “unconditional exclusion” of Chinese
and Japanese on the grounds that America already had problems enough dealing
with Negroes.

Voters in South Carolina and Alabama expunged the (by then illegal) bans
only in 1998 and 2000, respectively, but substantial minorities in both states
voted to keep them: 38 percent in South Carolina and 41 percent in Alabama. In
a 2002 vote in Oregon to strike out the passage in the constitution that banned
blacks from even visiting the state, nearly 29 percent voted to keep the
prohibition.

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Voters in South Carolina and Alabama expunged the (by then illegal) bans
only in 1998 and 2000, respectively, but substantial minorities in both states
voted to keep them: 38 percent in South Carolina and 41 percent in Alabama. In
a 2002 vote in Oregon to strike out the passage in the constitution that banned
blacks from even visiting the state, nearly 29 percent voted to keep the
prohibition.

By these standards, of course, most of the great men of America’s past are
morally suspect, and many Americans are embarrassed to discover what our
traditional heroes actually said. Some people deliberately conceal this part of our
history. For example, the Jefferson Memorial has the following quotation from
the third president inscribed on the marble interior: “Nothing is more certainly
written in the book of fate than that these people [the Negroes] shall be free.”
Jefferson did not end those words with a period, but with a semicolon, after
which he wrote: “nor is it less certain that the two races equally free, cannot live
under the same government.”

“It would be a lot easier if each of us were related to someone of another color
and if, eventually, we were all one color,” wrote Morton Kondracke in The New
Republic. “In America, this can happen.”134 Jon Carroll of the San Francisco
Examiner agreed: “I think intermarriage may be the only way out [of our racial
problems].”135 Ben Wattenberg, noting the increase in interracial marriages
wrote happily, “Does all this mean that as we move into the next century race
will be much less of an issue? That we will all end up bland and blended? That
(as I believe) we will fulfill our difficult destiny as the first universal nation?”

Nicholas Kristof wrote in the New York Times that “the breakdown of the
barriers of love will be a far more consequential and transformative kind of
integration” than anything attempted so far.137 Douglas Besharov of the
American Enterprise Institute said intermarriage may be “the best hope for the
future of American race relations.”138 In a recent book, Stephen and Abigail
Thernstrom wrote that the “crumbling of the taboo on sexual relations between
the two races [black and white]” is “good news,” because it will make it
impossible to draw racial distinctions.139 Michael Barone, conservative pundit
for U.S. News and World Report, agrees. “My great wish,” he wrote, “is that 50
years from now we will be so mixed there will be no more racial categories.”140
John Miller is a reporter for National Review, long known as the foremost
conservative magazine in America. He wrote that miscegenation is inevitable
and will finally put an end to group conflict. “Perhaps the best way to undermine
the ideology of group rights is to permit this natural process of assimilation to
work its way down the generations as people of mixed background marry and
have children.” “In the future,” he added, “everyone will have a Korean
grandmother.”

- Many laws passed by Congress have grandiose names and are hailed by their sponsors as far more important than they really are. In one case, however, legislators promised little of consequence for a law that reshaped the country. The Hart-Celler Act of 1965, also known as the Immigration and Nationality Act, abolished the national-origins immigration quotas set up in 1924 to preserve the European character of the American population. As we saw in the previous chapter, the promoters of the act insisted it would have little effect on the ethnic mix of the country, which was then nearly 90 percent white. By 2008, however, whites had already fallen to 65 percent of the population, and the Census Bureau was predicting they would become a minority in 2042—just 77 years after enactment. This would be a more dramatic long-term effect than perhaps that of any other legislation passed in the 20th century.

-If immigration continues, Hispanics will nearly double their share of thepopulation by 2050, increasing from 16 percent to 30 percent. Their numbers will rise to 130 million, a figure equal to the entire US population of 1940. Blacks will increase from 14 to 15 percent, and Asians from 5.1 to 9.2 percent.4 Whites will be the only group to decline, dropping to 46 percent by mid-century. The bureau projected an absolute decline in the white population, beginning in 2030, when deaths of whites were expected to exceed births. Every other racial group was projected to increase continually, with their numbers augmented by anestimated 1.2 to 2 million immigrants every year. The Census Bureau projected virtually no white immigration.5 In 2010, whites were already a minority in four states: California, Texas, New Mexico, and Hawaii. In 2009, whites were a minority in about 300 counties—close to one in 10.6 Starr County, Texas, was the most heavily Hispanic county: 97 percent Latino.7

-The Center for Immigration Studies found that every household of illegal immigrants consumed an estimated $2,700 more in federal government services in 2002 than it paid in federal taxes, adding about $10.4 billion to the deficit.The largest federal costs were Medicaid ($2.5 billion), medical treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion), food assistance ($1.9 billion), prisons ($1.6 billion), and school aid ($1.4 billion). These figures do not include state and local spending. Non-citizens are ineligible for many forms of welfare. The study therefore concluded that if illegal immigrants were legalized, their increased welfare use would nearly triple the net federal outflow per family from $2,700 a year to $7,700 a year.28

-One of the most ominous signs for the future is low high-school graduation rates for blacks and Hispanics. In 2007, 93.5 percent of white and 93.1 percent of Asian 18- to 24-year-olds not still in school had a diploma. The figures for blacks and Hispanics were 88.8 percent and 72.7 percent, respectively. Hispanics were therefore more than four times more likely than whites and 2.4 times more likely than blacks to be dropouts.32

-Hispanics who stay in school have low test scores, and the performance gap begins before school age. A nationwide study found that already as toddlers, Hispanics trail whites by the equivalent of six months in understanding words, speaking in sentences, and solving puzzles.36 By fourth grade, blacks and Hispanics are two years behind whites and Asians on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) reading test.37 By 12th grade, the average black or Hispanic is reading and doing math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.38 There are about 16,000 school districts in the United States, but not one has been able to eliminate this gap. Blacks and Hispanics score in equivalent ranges, whether they account for fewer than 5 percent of a state’s student population or more than 20 percent.39

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-A non-profit group in Chicago has filed a complaint with the US Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights making the same claim: Blacks and Hispanics are demoralized and drop out because they are more likely than whitesto be held back in public schools for doing poorly on standardized tests. The tests should therefore be eliminated.58
In 2006, Noma LeMoine was in charge of closing the achievement gap in Los Angeles public schools. She believed black children do not do as well as whites because schools do not recognize the black style of speaking known as“ebonics,” which she wanted recognized, along with standard English.59
In Atlanta, dozens of teachers were under criminal investigation in 2010 for altering answers to improve student scores on state standardized tests. A group of prominent black pastors held a press conference to denounce what they calleda “witch hunt,” and to explain that teachers were just trying to help the children.60

-In heavily non-white schools in New York, Chicago, and Washington, DC, experimental programs pay children cash to come to school, turn in homework, and get better grades. In Washington, in 2009, a program jointly funded by the district and Harvard University was paying students as much as $100 every two weeks.62 A 2008 program paid students at the 81 percent-non-white Wilby High School in Waterbury, Connecticut, $100 for each Advanced Placement test they could pass.63

- In heavily non-white areas of Los Angeles, the city is trying to encourage recycling by awarding points that can be redeemed at local stores.65 Doctors at three medical centers in Massachusetts are trying to get low-income women to eat more fruit and vegetables by giving them “prescriptions” that are really coupons for free groceries at local farmers’ markets.65
Payments of this kind do not appear to be effective. During 2008, the Council of Urban Professionals paid students in certain heavily-minority New York Cityschools as much as $1,000 if they passed AP tests. The number of passing gradesdropped slightly from the previous year.67

-In 2007, New York City launched a three-year pilot project that paid parents for such things as going to the dentist ($100) and holding down a full-time job ($150 a month). Children got $25 to $50 a month for regular school attendance and $600 for passing certain standardized tests. In 2010, $40 million later, the city had such poor results it cancelled the program.68

Why so quiet?

-Many theories have been advanced to explain racial gaps in performance, of which these are the most common: black and Hispanic schools do not get enough money, their classes are too big, students are segregated from whites, minorities do not have enough teachers of their own race. Each of these explanations has been thoroughly investigated. Urban schools, where non-Whites are concentrated, often get more money than suburban white schools, so blacks and Hispanics are not short-changed in budget or class size. Teacher race has no detectable effect on learning (Asians, for example, out perform whites regardless of who teaches them), nor do whites in the classroom raise or lower the scores of students of other races.69

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-As whites cease to be the mainstream, their interests become less important. In 2008, the College Board, the New York-based non profit that administers Advanced Placement (AP) tests, announced it was dropping AP courses and exams in Italian, Latin literature, and French literature. Blacks and Hispanics are not interested in those subjects, and they were the groups the College Board wanted to reach.89

In Berkeley, California, the governance council for the school district came up with a novel plan for bridging the racial achievement gap: eliminate all science labs, fire the five teachers who run them, and spend the money on “underperforming” students. The council explained that science labs were used mainly by white students, so they were a natural target for cuts.90

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-Justice Department figures show that blacks commit crimes and are incarcerated at roughly 7.2 times the white rate, and Hispanics at 2.9 times thewhite rate. (Asians are the least crime-prone group in America, and are qincarcerated at only 22 percent of the white rate.) Robbery or “mugging” shows the greatest disparities, with blacks offending at 15 times and Hispanics at just over four times the white race.