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2018-02-06 01:21:01 UTC

--Itโ€™s necessary to recall, especially for certain Christians, that a peopleโ€™s attachment is incompatible with Christianityโ€™s present cosmopolitanism. The claim, for example, that โ€˜I am closer to an African Catholic than I am to a non-Christian Europeanโ€™ is a universalistic claim that relegates a peopleโ€™s nation to something of secondary significance. This is, indeed, the great drama of European Christianity, marked as it is by Pauline universalism. A Catholic attached to his people and conscious of the biological and cultural dangers threatening them might instead say, โ€˜I respect all the Christians of the world, but hic et nunc[201] I fight for my people above all, whatever their religionโ€™.

--The main threat to the identity and existence of great peoples occurs, in contrast, through the conjunction of deculturation and the colonising invasion of alien peoples โ€” which weโ€™re presently experiencing. The Western globalist โ€˜systemโ€™ will never threaten strong peoples. Are Arabs, Chinese, or Indians threatened? On the contrary. It reinforces their identity and their desire to conquer, by provoking their reaction to it.

2018-02-06 01:22:19 UTC

Yeah the Church tended up until recently just *spread* Christianity, not grab people and drag them back home with them.

2018-02-06 01:34:50 UTC

I can't get voice going, but I just want to react to one concept in "why we fight", as follows: unite with the Russians to form a European Northern territory. If you look at a globe straight down on the north pole, you will see that if Europeans unite, we will control the arctic ocean and the last best human habitat on Earth.

2018-02-06 01:35:37 UTC

@Deleted User close down discord, reopen, and get back into voice

2018-02-06 01:35:45 UTC

do you know how to get into voice/

2018-02-06 01:35:47 UTC

You could join our VC and just listen @Deleted User

2018-02-06 01:38:57 UTC

Russian politicians with dual citizenship in Israel? <imagine-my-shock.jpg>

2018-02-06 01:42:27 UTC

My name does not show up there

2018-02-06 01:42:53 UTC

@Deleted User click on "General"

2018-02-06 01:42:59 UTC

in the side bar

2018-02-06 01:43:03 UTC

Are you on a computer or a phone?

2018-02-06 01:44:28 UTC

PEOPLE, LONG-LIVING; SHORT-LIVING PEOPLE - A people that desires and knows how to preserve itself in history, ensure its biological line, and maintain the longevity of its civilisation.

This concept comes from the philosopher Raymond Ruyer.[207] The Arabs, Chinese, Jews, Indians, and others are typical examples of such long-living peoples. Numbed by Western civilisation, which they tragically created and which has turned against them, Europeans today no longer see themselves as a long-living people. For like short-living people, they are not concerned about their ancestors or their posterity โ€” their lineage, cultural heritage, or future. They are devoted to the cult of the immediate present, in their pursuit of small individual pleasures and in the nervous preservation of their material acquisitions.

2018-02-06 01:46:04 UTC

@John O - John O computer

2018-02-06 01:46:47 UTC

Go under the Book of the Month tab, and just click on the tab that says General with the microphone icon

2018-02-06 01:46:48 UTC

brain drain

2018-02-06 01:46:55 UTC

^^

2018-02-06 01:47:33 UTC

PEOPLE, LONG-LIVING; SHORT-LIVING PEOPLE - A people that desires and knows how to preserve itself in history, ensure its biological line, and maintain the longevity of its civilisation.

This concept comes from the philosopher Raymond Ruyer.[207] The Arabs, Chinese, Jews, Indians, and others are typical examples of such long-living peoples. Numbed by Western civilisation, which they tragically created and which has turned against them, Europeans today no longer see themselves as a long-living people. For like short-living people, they are not concerned about their ancestors or their posterity โ€” their lineage, cultural heritage, or future. They are devoted to the cult of the immediate present, in their pursuit of small individual pleasures and in the nervous preservation of their material acquisitions.

2018-02-06 01:48:06 UTC

Small peoples are destroyed by their demographic, military, and technological disadvantages. Great peoples, on the other hand, who sink into the oblivion of time, die because of anaemia, of a lack of will โ€” despite the apparent force of their actually fragile civilisation. This was the destiny of the Incas, the Aztecs, the Egyptians, and others. A long-living people is characterised by the following qualities: demographic vigour, collective ethnic consciousness, popular solidarity, and a common spiritual ideal. A long-living people possesses deep biological roots, a memory and common history, an idea of the divine and a project. This is everything that Western civilisation lacks, since it canโ€™t even project itself five years into the future. All this is fit for reconstruction.

2018-02-06 01:48:39 UTC

@John O Idid nothing happens

2018-02-06 01:49:10 UTC

Close the tab and try again

2018-02-06 01:49:26 UTC

Or try it on your phone

2018-02-06 01:49:26 UTC

POPULISM - The position which defends the peopleโ€™s interests before that of the political class โ€” and advocates direct democracy.

This presently pejorative term must be made positive. The prevailing aversion to populism actually expresses a covert contempt for authentic democracy. Like its corollary antidemagoguery, anti-populism is a semantic ruse of politicians and bourgeois intellectuals โ€” to deflect the peopleโ€™s will, especially that of the modest social strata, reputedly dangerous, because they are the most nationalist.

The cosmopolitan bourgeoisie, whether of Left or Right, that presently holds power attacks โ€˜populismโ€™ because it rejects direct democracy and because itโ€™s convinced that the people is โ€˜politically incorrectโ€™. On the subject of immigration, the death penalty, school discipline, fiscal policies โ€” on numerous other subjects โ€” itโ€™s well known that the peopleโ€™s deepest wishes (as evident in referendums and elsewhere) never, despite the incessant media propaganda, correspond to those of the government. Itโ€™s logical, then, that those who have confiscated the โ€˜popular willโ€™ tend to associate populism with despotism.

2018-02-06 01:49:55 UTC

PREFERENCE, EUROPEAN; NATIONAL PREFERENCE, ALIEN PREFERENCE - A political notion inherited from Greek democracy, which accords superior rights to the Cityโ€™s natives โ€” to โ€˜citizensโ€™.

Itโ€™s an idea of good sense โ€” practiced by all peoples on Earth, except by sick Western societies (France particularly) โ€” the idea that citizens in their own country ought to have an advantage of rights over foreign residents. What else could the notion of โ€˜citizenshipโ€™ โ€” which the Left evokes in every realm, but whose principles it thoughtlessly violates โ€” possibly mean?

--The refusal of national preference inevitably culminates in foreign preference: another sign that egalitarian ideology has become crazy, that it has inverted the egalitarian principle to favour the superiority of aliens. Foreign preference is a collective pathology, imposed by the reigning elites, though it wonโ€™t last. Such an abnormal situation can only lead โ€” and this will be for the better โ€” to an extremely grave crisis. Social harmony and peace are possible only with the Aristotelian principle of โ€˜every City its own privilegeโ€™.

2018-02-06 01:50:52 UTC

PRESENTISM - Cult of the present, of the moment, of fashion โ€” a cult distinct to Western society โ€” forgetful of the past and indifferent to the future.

Presentism is a form of blindness โ€” itโ€™s the behaviour of โ€˜those whose eyes are on the ground, not the sky, not on whatโ€™s before or behind themโ€™ โ€” in the expression of the Breton painter and identitarian Yann-Ber Tillenon.

The long-term is never taken into account. Future generations donโ€™t count, the notion of lineage, like that of foresight, is absent. Only the โ€˜present generationโ€™ counts. But when a fashion ceases to be fashionable, โ€˜its lookโ€™, as Olivier Carrรฉ[211] says, โ€˜becomes tackyโ€™.

--Presentism fosters contempt for the survival of oneโ€™s people. Itโ€™s a consequence of a narcissistic individualism and the bourgeois spirit. Itโ€™s become a way of refusing a common future and a common past, memory and foresight, enrootment and collective ambition, identity and continuity.

2018-02-06 01:51:28 UTC

Sorry john no cell phone service where I live and closing the tab did not help.

2018-02-06 01:51:41 UTC

bruh

2018-02-06 01:51:56 UTC

RACE, RACISM, ANTI-RACISM - A genetically distinct population.

The idea of a โ€˜pure raceโ€™ is obviously not a serious one. Itโ€™s the racial fact that counts. A race can be the stabilised product of an ancient melange. Contemporary genetics, out of favour with the dominant ideology, has well and truly confirmed humanityโ€™s division into genetically statistical populations.

Races are not so much distinguished by phenotypic differences (skin colour, hair, height, etc.) as by genotypic variations affecting temperament and mental abilities โ€” along with innate physiological and biological differences.

--Anti-racism, the indispensable viaticum of the self-righteous, is actually a form of xenophilia (the valorisation of the โ€˜Otherโ€™) and of race-phobia. Obsessed and terrified by the fact of race โ€” a major problem with the advent of multi-racial society and the problems it brings โ€” Western ideology has succumbed to both race-phobia and, contradictorily, race-mania. To declare oneself โ€˜anti-racistโ€™ and to denounce racism are today an obligatory propriety for all ideologues, artists, politicians, and journalists, on the Left and the Right โ€” an obligation as necessary as proclaiming oneself a โ€˜good Muslimโ€™ in Saudi Arabia.

2018-02-06 01:52:00 UTC

I don't know what to tell you, man. Good luck

2018-02-06 01:52:13 UTC

I couldnโ€™t get sound to work either. Usually works fine.

2018-02-06 01:53:25 UTC

No worries I will work on this later. I got a lot out of why we fight and gave a little written input.

2018-02-06 01:53:46 UTC

I'm sorry it didn't work out, bro

2018-02-06 01:54:27 UTC

YES.

2018-02-06 01:56:15 UTC

My personal reactions to BLM with/around some of my friends and family estranged me from a couple of people. (One friend, one family member)

2018-02-06 01:56:45 UTC

@Why Tea Were your friends and family really into it?

2018-02-06 01:56:56 UTC

No, I don't mean that way.

2018-02-06 01:57:07 UTC

Most of my friends and family are liberal but basically roll their eyes at BLM

2018-02-06 01:57:09 UTC

I mean my visceral reaction against the idiocy of BLM and the chimpouts.

2018-02-06 01:57:28 UTC

mmm I see, sort of like a "why do you care" reaction they had?

2018-02-06 01:57:40 UTC

"Why are you so upset about this?"

2018-02-06 01:58:14 UTC

RESISTANCE AND RECONQUEST - Faced with their colonisation by peoples from the South and by Islam, Europeans, objectively speaking, are in a situation of resistance. Like Christian Spain between the Eighth and Fifteenth centuries, their project is one of reconquest.

--Not until the state is visibly colonised by aliens and Muslims (which wonโ€™t be long for reasons of demographics and enfranchisement) will there be revolt and resistance. For revolt and resistance arise only in the face of a power seen as alien and illegitimate. For the moment, civil society alone is affected and power still appears to be in native hands โ€” thus no serious resistance is yet possible. But soon, in the course of things, aliens and Muslims will have their own municipalities, legislative
deputies, and ministers. Itโ€™s of some urgency, then, that we start preparing and organising the resistance โ€” by every means possible, politically and metapolitically โ€” so as to ready ourselves for that moment when the alien colonisers start taking over the public powers.

2018-02-06 01:58:22 UTC

yeah. how did that wind up? was it something you talked about a lot that they just didn't get @Why Tea ?

2018-02-06 01:59:02 UTC

I want to reconquer constantiople in my lifetime

2018-02-06 01:59:10 UTC

Yes. With the friend I lost, I went into depth with him on how diversity was a weakness. He didn't want to believe it, but couldn't refute it. He broke off contact.

2018-02-06 01:59:17 UTC

WILL TO POWER - The tendency of all healthy life to perpetuate itself โ€” to assure its survival, its
superiority, and its capacity for creation.
--A people or civilisation that abandons its will to power inevitably perishes, for what doesnโ€™t advance,
retreats โ€” what doesnโ€™t accept life as struggle hasnโ€™t long to live.

2018-02-06 01:59:26 UTC

@Why Tea yeah that's rough.

2018-02-06 01:59:49 UTC

i'd rather have no friends than libtarded friends tbh

2018-02-06 02:00:15 UTC

if you cant understand how that harms us then you are effectively part of the prob imo

2018-02-06 02:00:17 UTC

Yeah, with a lot of my liberal friends, I just talk to them much less nowadays

2018-02-06 02:00:24 UTC

being married kind of gives me an excuse

2018-02-06 02:00:30 UTC

plus a marginal amount of distance

2018-02-06 02:00:52 UTC

but it's really just that we don't have much in common anymore

2018-02-06 02:01:52 UTC

they're way too into bugman stuff

2018-02-06 02:01:59 UTC

my gf is the normie i could stand being around after i red pilled.

2018-02-06 02:02:45 UTC

@Deleted User yeah that's a deeper connection, a solid couple has a dialogue based on trust and the mutual benefit of each other and the couple

2018-02-06 02:03:43 UTC

@John O - I love Alt Hype and never miss a video, but on that one it may be a bit of "just so" thinking. That would require those people executed to have not had any children, or at least to have had far fewer children than the others in the population.

2018-02-06 02:04:19 UTC

Yeah, the math isn't perfect, and he admits it, and he accounts for that

2018-02-06 02:04:23 UTC

It's an interesting hypothesis and I like thinking about those sorts of things, but I don't think that's "all the way there" in terms of an explanation.

2018-02-06 02:04:40 UTC

SOCIETY, MARKET - One of the appellations of present Western society โ€” in which the market (or economic) function takes the place of the sovereign function and becomes the ultima ratio[236] โ€” the ultimate and unique horizon against which all political decisions are made.

This term is preferable to that of โ€˜capitalist societyโ€™. For itโ€™s not a matter of condemning the market economy, but rather of deploring the marketโ€™s dictatorship over every other consideration (ecological, ethnic, aesthetic, social, etc.). The market canโ€™t be everything and material exchanges canโ€™t be the basis of social relations. In market society, everything has a price, but nothing is of value.

2018-02-06 02:04:40 UTC

I don't think he *does* account for it.

2018-02-06 02:05:11 UTC

Until you show me that those that got killed had no children, or 2 children, rather than 8, or something...

2018-02-06 02:06:05 UTC

What happened with the Asians, then? They're less violent than Whites are. Were they running around executing too? Over what timeframe? It reeks of the sort of "just so" thinking that's in Guns Germs and Steel.

2018-02-06 02:06:12 UTC

That's totally unprovable, and a common theme of Alt Hype is unprovable hypothesis. That's the problem with being an autodidact

2018-02-06 02:06:19 UTC

LOL

2018-02-06 02:06:30 UTC

I love it. "The Unprovable Hypothesis"

2018-02-06 02:06:57 UTC

I always take him with a grain of salt. I never believe anything he says, it's just something to think on

2018-02-06 02:07:07 UTC

Again I'm not casting shade on him, he's like one of my favorites.

2018-02-06 02:07:18 UTC

He does excellent work.

2018-02-06 02:07:21 UTC

He totally denies any European genocide of Native Americans, which is insane

2018-02-06 02:07:32 UTC

Yeah that's a bit strange.

2018-02-06 02:07:32 UTC

it was unintentional

2018-02-06 02:07:52 UTC

they carried small pox with them that the indians had no immunity to

2018-02-06 02:08:05 UTC

Well, there was Andrew Jackson as well

2018-02-06 02:08:05 UTC

My understanding of Native American genocide comes from the Iron Maiden song "Run to the Hills".

2018-02-06 02:08:13 UTC

And many like Jackson

2018-02-06 02:08:26 UTC

I feel like a better path is to just say "yeah whites killed native americans, inter-civilizational conflict is nothing new"

2018-02-06 02:08:27 UTC

i deny the indian shoah too, the indians were killing eachother, just like africans kill eachother

2018-02-06 02:08:32 UTC

but so many died before jackson

2018-02-06 02:08:54 UTC

That doesn't mean Europeans didn't also kill them @Deleted User

2018-02-06 02:08:55 UTC

that's like saying any battle is a genocide

2018-02-06 02:09:30 UTC

this is the true story of the Native American genocide: https://youtu.be/86URGgqONvA

2018-02-06 02:09:37 UTC

I mispoke, he doesn't deny a genocide, he denies any drop in population after Europeans showed up

2018-02-06 02:09:50 UTC

Which is crazy too, John.

2018-02-06 02:09:55 UTC

just cause they insisted on fighting and losing doesny mean its a genocide
tfw galaxybrain

2018-02-06 02:09:58 UTC

Populations here were in flux already.

2018-02-06 02:10:03 UTC

THIRD WORLDISM - Doctrine, on the Left and Right, which claims the Third World has been โ€˜exploitedโ€™ โ€” and that itโ€™s advisable to aid it, unceasingly, with financial and technological transfers, and to welcome its migrants.

Third Worldism is a snake that swallows its own tail: in claiming to aid poor countries, it deserts and divests itself of all actual responsibility for them. It imposes on these lands a Western economic model, destructive of local economies. One pities the Third World in terms of a self-culpabilising charity.

2018-02-06 02:11:03 UTC

coalinization

2018-02-06 02:11:04 UTC

the difference between liberia and the ivory coast

2018-02-06 02:11:40 UTC

Third World parasitism takes the following forms: 1. Direct financial costs in the form of lost loans, Europeanfinanced exports, the annulment of debt, etc. 2 . The cost of technical aid and cooperation, as well as technological transfers. Despite massive aid, no African or Arab country has ever attained even a modicum of economic balance. 3. The cost of exploiting raw materials in the Third World. For fifty years weโ€™ve been told that we exploited the countries of the South. Their petroleum, raw materials, and their agriculture would, though, be of no use to Europe, if she thought geopolitically โ€” in terms of a โ€˜Eurosiberian spaceโ€™. No Muslim oil exporter, for example, would be able to exploit the subsoil reserves of his country on his own. These reserves have been discovered and exploited by foreign companies, who pay an enormous rent for them. Eurosiberia would have no need of Third World resources. 4 . The worst, the heaviest burden: dumping its excess population in Europe, which is equivalent to overwhelming her demographically and hamstringing her with an economic ball and chain.

2018-02-06 02:11:59 UTC

@Zyzz kek

2018-02-06 02:12:40 UTC

TRADITION, TRADITIONALISM - Tradition is the ensemble of a peopleโ€™s values and cultural structures, which are transmitted (tradere in Latin) from generation to generation โ€” to form the scaffolding of its collective memory.

2018-02-06 02:14:32 UTC
2018-02-06 02:14:59 UTC

VALUES - Idea-forces and life rules that are translated into behaviours and transcend individual egoism, since they have no immediate utility, but constitute a long-term necessity for a communityโ€™s survival.

Some of the fundamental values, for example, are:
โ€ข A refusal of massification, as well as a narcissistic individualism,
โ€ข An affirmation of the creative inequality of the human race,
โ€ข Concern for a people and its historical destiny,
โ€ข Loyalty to a lineage (ethnic consciousness),
โ€ข Individual freedom as self-discipline,
โ€ข The precedence of communal solidarity over egoism,
โ€ข Cult of the aesthetic,
โ€ข Respect for lifeโ€™s selectivity โ€” and not โ€˜allโ€™ life,
โ€ข The spirit of enterprise and creation . . .

2018-02-06 02:15:55 UTC

UNIVERSALISM - The belief that humanity forms a homogeneous ensemble, a single family, in which notions of people and identity are secondary.

An avatar of egalitarian ideology, universalism is a political monotheism, the parent of all totalitarianisms. The individual for it is but โ€˜a citizen of the worldโ€™. All cultures are destined to fuse and no inequalities of nature or quality exist between them.

2018-02-06 02:16:59 UTC

A belief in Universalism is hurting us big time.

2018-02-06 02:18:43 UTC

Universalism is a primary tenant of the Christian churches in my area. We need a church of Christian warriors.

2018-02-06 02:19:06 UTC

haha we were discussing this earlier

2018-02-06 02:20:03 UTC

I bet. I am going to have to get on top of this discord program some how.

2018-02-06 02:20:26 UTC

there might be youtube videos that could help you

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