but if they decided to murder you and/or drive you out to form the Native ethnostate that's morally justified right?

By his reasoning yes

@Beemann has a point there.

and if you listen to the more extreme members of the black and other minority communities, that's exactly the intention. The elimination of the white race and the appropriation of all their lands

The Black Panthers have a very interesting speech they could tell you about that if you're curious about the next mass migration

And that right there if it were to happen would be the only way I could take up the ethno position

If we became so divide that I had no choice

Yo bee let me ask you something

hm?

but the reality is that this country was not intended to be a white ethnostate for only Europeans, whatever you want to use to specify that

this was a place where people who felt oppressed by the government, and forced to practice one religion or another because of said governments, came so they could just do what they wanted

Do you think the US would back British revolutionaries

?

like against the Orwellian shithole? On a government level probably not

but I bet there'd be volunteers

Oh I would be the first to hop on a boat but on government level I think you're right

that would be a really hard one to call

when two of your allies go to war, which ally do you back??

I talked about it last Wednesday but ya know 2 minutes and all

I don't even get two minutes, archer

UK government is friendly with the 'States, especially now with the whole Syria thing. I doubt they'd risk that

Who ever would be the most beneficial

Answering J

That is my position bee. If ya got anything else message me tomorrow both of you I enjoyed the conversation even if it was a little bit tedious and ya know....

sounds good

I suspect we'll get a better conversation on the ethnostate when he's not tired and/or possibly drunk while being forced to use an awkward text input system

I hope so he was almost incoherent at certain points

Just realized I have Matt's Starbucks 'Victims' vid open in another tab and I caught some nice stonerface on the paused frame

J Edgar, your 3rd to last comment is a popular perspective, but it's just not true. The authors of the Federalist Papers, Madison, Adams, and Jay (I believe) even wrote about how the success of America would come from the fact that all the American Nation of people is intended to be and would be of the European stock. The founding fathers chose them because they themselves were European and said that a people originating from geographically similar area and with a common history and genealogy would provide the most peaceful state. There are also other similar things written in the Constitution that hint that America was meant to be a white ethnostate, for instance the very well-known passage that says that America is to be a nation for free white men of good character or something or other like that.

That perspective is not entirely wrong it's actually right. It's only wrong when people apply it to the whole world's population. Again it's true, but in the context of European people.

( there's last three sentences are referring to your third to last comment again)

In response to how European people came to inhabit and rule in North America , I do think that Europeans are morally Justified. And I say that only because the world has given us permission to do what we did. And what I mean by that is that since then and even up to today the world knows how they acquired land, and they are aware of who has run and govern America, but despite that reality the hundreds of thousands of Asians and Africans and Latinos and any other people don't let the reality ba moral or ethical barrier to they're coming immigrating here. So what I'm saying is that justifies how the land was acquired. Once the land and territory was acquired the way it was, and after 1965 when we opened up immigration to non-european people, people from all around the world and if and of course increasingly open to today non-european people flock here. They don't care again about how we got it. But to say or argue that all people in the world should get to come here and basically out populate white people because of how white people acquired the territory would mean that it's okay for non-white people to build off of the same events that enabled them to acquire and govern the territory land. So I believe in that regard in propositional logic we would say that the way people think about America today and their reason for coming here and the reason for white people not being able to promote themselves would be a contradiction.

Wasn't the free white men of good character thing taken from a later immigration document?
As well, you seem to be unshakeable in your belief in European unity, but thousands of years of infighting, modern instances of political polarization, and the existence of non Europeans who hold European/Western values in high regard all undermine your valuation of an ethno state. It is easy enough to say "the goal is to stop people from fighting" but it's like people who say "the goal is to eliminate capitalist thinking". There will always be people who revert to tribal thinking, even when you do your best to homogenize an area. Worse still, you would be doing the nation a disservice by homogenizing too far. When everyone sits pretty on or very close to the mean in all respects, you lose diversification within the market.
Also, what political system do you advocate for the end goal state? I've seen a lot of people recommend Fascism, an ideology incompatible with functioning markets, whose success people selectively view from a single economic boom before it wore itself out in a single war. Hardly an admirable or sustainable system

Yeah what he said

No but seriously the idea of an ethno state would only work in monarchical or fascist government any other way you relinquish to much control to the people

The more I talk to people about the Ethnostate/White Nationalism, the less people getting wigged out about discussing it makes sense to me tbh. I still remember that Hitchens interview where he basically just shit on this one white nationalist dude to the point where his father phoned in and then also got wrecked. It wasn't honest debate obviously, but it's another point in favour of not needing to be afraid of the "bad man"'s ideas. You're not going to "catch the Nazi", silly communists (but you might catch a free ride on my helicopter)

Also 1/8th Native so I await the creation of my people's ethnostate where we drive out the paleface in morally justifiable fashion and then accomplish nothing for another century or two 👌

In addition, I was looking at some other items. After some light research, I don't think that there was any particular ethnic minority that started coming here in 1965

Well that's just it you get labeled a racist for even considering talking to those types of people so everyone avoids

Most of them have been coming here since before there was a country

I think it was reference to a legislative change

It was a reference, but he cited specifically that they started flooding in that year

I had no clue what he was talking about with that

I did look into that, too

But yeah, Chinese workers were hugely important to NA development, because everyone gave them shit wages and they worked hard. My how times have changed :^)

Yesteryear: the Chinese workees who built the CNR for shit wages and lived in poor conditions came to NA to build a better life. Today: the Chinese workers who build your iPads for shit wages and live in poor conditions probably couldn't leave China if they tried.

South American Immigrants have been coming here since the 17th century. Arabs have been coming since the 1800s

the East Asians have been immigrating here since the early 1800s. The first Japanese in the country actually were rescued from a shipwreck and given asylum in New England

And I understand that the majority of Africans did not immigrate willingly, but they've also been here as long as there have been colonies

Like I had said last night, the more I discuss these things the more I find that they come from a very specifically romanticized view of history

It's like the mirror to the SJW narrative of "everyone in the past was a bigot and if you were a racist back in the year 1784 then all of your accomplishments are nullified. It was all evil white people and poor oppressed slaves". History is messy as fuck

Actually, there were a lot more bigots in the past, but there was also more unity around the idea of America.

People allowed bigots to be bigoted

There were absolutely more racially bigoted views, but people lock into this weird binary about it and then have a meltdown when you mention nonwhite slave ownership

Or the fact that racial prejudice was not a European export, or solely directed from Europe outward

that's because nonwhite slave ownership doesn't fit the narrative

Yup

I think civil rights was a good first step in giving the free market the ability to sort out racism for us.

I don't mean that making it illegal for businesses to discriminate, but I do mean integration of public utilities

obviously you're going to have "whites only" and "coloreds only" businesses when you have white and colored water fountains

Absolutely. And the promotion and spreading of actual liberal values (as opposed to socialists calling themselves liberal) was a huge benefit for the West

Not only is that going to attract people escaping illiberal shitholes, but it's also the system least vulnerable to one moron shitting up everything

Right. I mean, if a guy opened a dry cleaner today and hung a sign out that said "No Blacks", he wouldn't even be in business for two months

Even without municipality intervention he'd go out of business

Klan robes will only pay the bills for so long

There's also the problem of trying to interpret the intentions of people in the past. It's a problem of relating to a foreign ignorance. It's much the same problem teachers have and parents have in teaching kids. The human brain cannot easily pretend it doesn't know the things it knows.

Since we don't have the set of knowledge/experience of people who have come before us, understanding their intent for evil or good becomes harder and harder the further into the pat we go.

past*

This is true but letting the market decide if he should be open or not is something we don't see the outrage mob just pile on until they are forced to close

Well and often we're trying to judge the actions of people acting on a lack of knowledge

That's precisely it. We don't have the isolated set of information that people in the past were dealing with.

We can't really understand the limitations of their thinking, not really.

No we know exactly what they were thinking

They were clearly thinking "We gotta make us a fascist ethnostate and unite the whites. I hope the libruls and Zionists don't halt our plans" :^)

Exactly

But on a less shitposty note, I think we're headed for some real shit

I'm not Blonde tier blackpilled where I think it's all fucked from that point onwards. It's probably really necessary actually

I do to it's just a matter of time before the final straw gets pulled

Time before collapse should be used for prepwork. You can't keep plugging the holes in the dam with Band-Aids and chewing gum. You gotta start moving the town

I can direct message you the article on the second civil war I wrote 5 years ago. I was borderline blackpilled already back then

I'm interestrd

I started seeing a lot of this right after the second inauguration of Obama...I actually started seeing the writing on the walls back during the first Obama Campaign

Oh I'm not even concerned about the civil war thing. Marxists are too divisive for even a large portion of the left. I just mean that Western governments are built on bullshit and wishes, especially the ones that try to follow the European welfare model

I just want the antifa density to go down around here before the collapse so I don't get gulag'd

http://autoworkerslim.blogspot.com/2013/08/predictions-for-second-civil-war_22.html

August 22. 2013. When one of my co-workers looked across the circle of people and said "There's gonna be another civil war, and it's gonna be between the blacks and the mexicans".

I went straight home after work and wrote that

I dunno, I feel like you're, in a really roundabout way, being too optimistic about the solidarity of the Republican and Democratic parties. I'd bet anything that the vast majority of people vote apathetically along party lines, and even among the politically active there are splits within both camps

If you were going to get balkanization within the US I think it would look more like the States do now, rather than an even Union/Confederate type split

That was also 5 years ago when both parties were really united. The democrats had found a strong unity behind the Messiah Barack Obama, and the Republicans were really united on the fact that he had to go. In 2015 both parties absolutely splintered

I'd argue that it was more splintered already, it just got downplayed

Just like how there's a large segment of Trump voters who just didn't want Hillary, but people like to ignore that on both sides

Inconvenient to too many narratives

Even now I bet a good chunk of Republicans still hate Trump but "support" him because they want to get policies through. There were probably a lot of Dems who just wanted the ACA or to shut down Gitmo, and were unhappy with the policy of expanding state surveillance and destabilizing nations

There were a lot of dems who put their fingers in their ears when Expanding state surveillance and destabilizing nations were talked about

To not be unshakable about European unity would just be foolish lol. You don't even habe to be a Neuro to realize that unity is good for Europeans.

What about Iceland, Poland, japan and many others? Theyre not facist. I dont see why people believe that ethni states require fascism. It just requires thst2the people have a government that represents them.

What's good for people and what will actually happen are two different things. This is also the problem commies run into

Also Japan is being forced to consider immigration because their birth rate is shit

Poland has a similar problem. Their birth rate and death rate aren't terribly dissimilar, with their death rate being higher multiple years in a row

Hardly reasons to force "diverity" on people who don't accept it.

Are you arguing against me or Marxists again? I'm not for forced association

Further, thought experiment: you're living in a nice huwaito country, among people who believe the same shit as you and hold the same values. Your birth rate is hilariously low due to a mix of the usual sort of social and economic factors, however group Y are banding together and supporting each other, and making use of aspects of your system to produce living situations that are more viable for their group to survive, and in some cases are considered repugnant (but not illegal) to your group. They are also white. You know they want to replace your cultural values with their own. Do you A: Accept the destruction of your culture in the presence of an adaptively superior, if morally devoid, other? Or do you B: import nonwhites who ultimately share your core cultural values, even if they might have different practices on top of that

Tbh i don't care so much for an ethnostate. All I would like is for us to have a hightened sense of kinship. So my goals are more cultural than political.

I was only commenting about ethnistates cuz someone else keeps bringing it up.

I think when i said I was a white nationalist it was percieved wrongly and I probably should use a different term.

...but to comment on ethnostates, it seems i disagree with a lot of opinions here. It just seems to me that the existing ethnostates function just fine, yet the idea still gets flak. I even would say that America was (my ideal ) ethnostate up to 1970 ish and it was highly successful. Not to say that today's America isn't.

Well the thought experiment needn't be an ethnostate. It's a basic premise about valuation between racial and cultural majority. Also Japan clearly is not functioning just fine, and Poland is potentially in the same boat. Iceland just isn't scalable, and is primarily one ethnicity, not simply one race. All three countries have low birth rates, with only Iceland's severe drop in death rates keeping their numbers up

Also is Dank Brigade still up? It seems to have dropped off of my discord list somehow

Oh apparently it died. RIP

As a European American, I feel we just don't have anything that really brings us together in some aspects that others might have. We don't really celebrate our own culture and are far more disconnected and even content with that than others. Nothing wrong with that either way, just a thought.

Thankfully it was replaced so I can keep getting my fix of haggisposting

I think that's because you're dealing with multiple cultures, not one, on top of the fact that the west's cultural values are weakening

@J Edgar, 1965 marked the creation of thr Hart-Celler Act. It opened immigration up to non European countries.

His point was that there were non Europeans in America already

Wait that makes no sense imagration was open to non Europeans at the conception of Ellis and Angel island

There were quatas up to 65 that ensured America's majority stock came from Europe. Of course there were non Europeans, but we limited them to maintain majority

Just go read about the celler Act

is the dude caught yet?

Say what are you talking about our leftwing troll here

So I rang out a customer today at work and his daughter came up to the counter with her own stuff that she was going to pay for and the girl couldn't speak a word of English yet her father was fluent with no accent what so ever. I had to have him tell her to wait in Spanish so I could finish out his ticket

I've had that kind of shit happen before

There's a pizza place owned by an East Indian family. There's an older dude there that speaks English and a younger woman who doesn't. Both answer the phone

Well what annoys me is that this girl is young and they don't teacher her any English which will make her life much harder and later

Later on

Forget the and

I got that with the chinese food place I used to go to. The delivery driver spoke perfect english, with a little accent. So did all but one of the backups. There was one that didn't speak any english

But the woman who answered the phone....you were amazed when your order was right consistently, because you couldn't understand her on the phone

Well it just pisses me off because her father no perfect English and he is not teaching her any. Which will make her a burden on the school system later because she will need an English learning aid with her through most of her schooling

Knows

Lol I've called pretty much all of the about 20 Chinese places near me, the best of them speak English with an accent so thick trying to communicate you want special fried rice without knowing the number is a chore, and good luck trying to order it without peas/chicken/whatever. But at least they are trying to speak English.
The worst of them know exactly 2 words of English, number and address, it is all but impossible to order food over the phone.
Now I don't want to bash technology, but it's apps like Just Eat that have allowed the latter to happen, if they didn't sell almost exclusively through phone apps they would have to learn English to communicate with the customer.

morning folks

most of the ppl that answer phones for Chinese reataraunts xan at least underatand the order

but i order basic stuff combos etc

@pr'g classic you never answered me before

Morning how are you @pr'g classic#2996

I'm sure pr'g is great but she never told me if she was Matt's stalker she left me hangin

Matt just got your email

Who

dang it I am late again

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I'm a patron but I don't see myself on the patron list.

*patreon supporter

give it a second

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWrULVJQs8&feature=youtu.be

I've been a patron member for awhile, and can't figure out how to get on there. It's fine though.

I patronized for a couple months, but I work second, so the orange font is wasted on me

Email and mention your username. I included my username in here and my patreon account name

oh I'm just a fan! i love watching the show but im not a stalker lol

I'm sorry @pr'g classic part of that is my fault. When Archer brought up the stalker thing, I jokingly suggested that you were the infamous "Brandi with an I"

lmboo

I'm actually a dude tbh; i just rock the scarJo avatar because i like her attitude

Damn I missed the answer

It's all good Archer. I had your back

Thanks

How did your brother do??

He did alright even with out the psych questions

Although the class said the other dude won the debate his teacher thought he was actually the winner

That's how it always goes when one candidate is the social justice candidate. The Donald wiped the floor with Hillary 3 out of 3 times, but that's not how the mainstreams reported it

and of course, let's not forget the calm, rational discussion between Cenk and Shapiro...which is ironically the reason I'm here

Sorry man for some reason I'm not getting push notifications from discord

It's all good.

It's fixed now, that debate was hard to watch cenk was outmatched intellectually

Cenk is outmatched intellectually by a brick wall

Wasn't he in another really cringey debate I can't remember

"There's a wonderful invention. It's called Google. Use it" ~ Cenk

That was where he went wrong he started insulting the crowd

I was looking for a recast of the Uygar debate, and I ran across a video by a scrappy little youtuber that was entitled "Cenk said to Google it, so I did"

and....here I am

I was just browsing YouTube one day and I had checked out one of blonde's vids and then a thing from philly D and then matt popped up and now I'm a weekly viewer

HI

I was watching Matt during the tail end of the skagg3 days and only bothered with the discord after I caved and decided to be a patron. And then my Wednesdays became busy

I decided to start calling in because I can't talk to anyone but my younger brother about politics

I redpilled my sister

My whole family is Republican and I'm a through and through centrist so I can't talk to my dad about any thing because he goes from 0 to invade Mexico in a hurry

My sister started voting right side of the ticket when she started dating her current boyfriend, but she's far from redpilled

My sister clings to a few leftie policies but is overall done with leftist commies and tumblrites

And is now trying to slow convert her friends

Every so often I remind her of the unbearable commie she could have become

Gotta warn them away early

She was full on. Started a GSA at her school, had a tumblr account, supported Trudeau. Whole 9 yards

I consider redpill to be the ability to think independently of an authoritive state. In today's environment that almost requires you to be at least right leaning, but I can't see any universe where my sister came to it on her own decision

My sister votes Republican because her boyfriend tells her to

@@Beemann Damn that's hardcore left man

My sister is at that Sargon stage where she's not willing to admit the flaws of the welfare state and still is kinda iffy on guns

That one last desperate hand clutching just left of center

But comes to her own conclusions and is jaded about the legal system

As far as it goes man that's better than most of the chicks I meet especially at my little brothers school

That's better than most of the people I've met her age lol

You generally either get apolitical or left

That's true I got in trouble at work for calling out a customer on some BS about comey

Yeah you gotta learn to pick those battles lol

Like I explained the gun debate to my grandfather but didn't bother trying to correct my aunt

Yeah especially since I'm in a more left leaning part of arizona

Despite both of them using the same media-fed arguments

That's kinda tricky isn't it

Some people just ain't willing to hear it

And it's not like my grandfather flipped on it either, but at least he's making better arguments

I dont require agreement, just facts

One of my older brothers is that way with social programs

I think there's a basis for some of them, tbh, it's just a question of whether you figure people can come about creating them organically

Mental health and childcare being two major ones

And two that the government frequently fucks up as well

My biggest issue is Food Stamps

My biggest issue is government monopolies beyond the absolute necessities

I get that I just think they need to be limited and regulated a bit more

Our provincial Auto Insurance company was found scamming people. Our transit company has gone bankrupt and is now trying to sell shitty merchandise. Our hospitals are stuffed full of people and the funding for medicare is going to run out if they don't fix shit (and they likely won't)

No ignore the problem and maybe it'll go away that's there strategy

The funny thing is the problem *is* about something going away

Boomer pop is going to ream our social programs as they leave the workforce

Which is probably why they've been pushing immigration

Jokes on then though because we get a metric fuckton of foreign buyers who make it too expensive to live here, and they don't live and work here themselves

The influx of migrants is what is being to do our welfare system in

Ours is the other way, not enough coming in to balance the books

And not enough babies being birthed

That whole having a family is a patriarchal construct shit?

Oh there's definitely a lot of commies here yeah

But I think there's more career women who never made the time/didn't want kids

Or people who have decided it's too financially/environmentally/whatever-irresponsible to reproduce

And there's a lot of that shitting on motherhood nonsense

I'm in the same over population school of thought

I dunno how bad matt's experience on dating sites was, but there's a lot of casual dating/tinder tier hookup people and polyamorous couples and shit

We're not overpopulated in Canada by any stretch

There is actually a lot of that in the military

And I'd say the same is true of the states tbh

The US wastes a lot of resources because they're not worth the cost of exporting and there's nobody to use them within the country

Oh I know that's the way it is for the states but I'm still all for a plague to thin things out

That's probably the misanthropy talking, rather than pragmatism 👌

Sorry

I'm mostly taking the piss really

But yeah there's still plenty of Innawoods space in Leafland

Yeah but you're probably right plus I have a very dark world

Is love to live up there since I'm the outdoors type but I can't stand Trudeau or the extreme social justice leftist up there

Honestly I barely notice it on a day to day basis because most people keep to themselves

But there's occasional outbreaks, like that social justice newspaper people keep trying to hand out

That's a thing?

Which I promised myself I'd grab next time I saw them, so I could share its contents with people

I thought that was just a joke someone put up on reddit

Yeah there's usually like 4-6 people at some random station trying desperately to give away copies of this newspaper

Oh did someone post it?

I think I saw some thing about it no picture just a few sentences I saw in passing

Oh ok

I kinda wanna know what batshit nonsense they have in there

I didn't care at first but as time went on I wanted to laugh at them

Its gotten old for me I couldn't bring my self to watch anymore after that whole yale incident

Oh yeah and I found out today that suffrage for commoners in Canuckistan came about mostly at the same time

I think natives got shafted

But men and women had franchise in the same bill

Basically you had to be a landowner and not catholic until 1920 with variation between regions. You only had a guaranteed vote as a woman *or man* as of the 1920 bill being passed

And the narrative is eroded just a little further