Yeah being normal is great

I love normal people

What is normal

IE that I've met are extraordinary

@Deleted User to me normal means family oriented
Also at least mildly tradition minded, like at least mildly into religion and cultural/community holidays at least.
Basically how I think everyone would be most happy

At a minimum, it isn't really productive. The meme represents the same mentality that has people insisting Lauren Southern needs to stop making documentaries and start making babies now or she's not really right wing.

@Deleted User you are thinking of the women’s Auxiliary that Victoria gave a speech about at my house.

yeah that was a great talk

she was very professional

@Freiheit - CA

Yo?

Oh

I get it.

Idk who this guy is he seems sympathetic but critical of the movement. Makes some obvious points but you can really understand this guy’s sincere advice. The title should be more addressed to spergs and blackpillers but I thought it was good https://youtu.be/Dq9Yh8Zr8Ec

@VinceChaos Surprisingly level headed and reasonable. Thank you for sharing.

Yeah! Of course. Just found that guy never heard of him

Can anyone give me a statistical study about whether women or happy or less happy today, and whether they were more happy 60 years ago when they had less rights?

@Jonaltright I think the would get better traction in the <#387059968395706400> channel

Well look something positive came from my shenanigans

@ everyone you'll never stop me from getting all your attention

Took one for the team

This channel is for <#436337773579075585> please take this discussion to <#322711183503130635>

is there a #nofunallowed channel?

All that and the person you meant to respond to didn’t even respond lol. @Mikolas yeah it’s hard to tell what his ideological center is. He’s like a liberal nationalist if that’s even possible

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN I check every channel even ones I don't care about

I hope you all have recorded your dearest memories from this chat in your evernotes or live journals because I'm about to nuke everything not related to <#436337773579075585>

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN you're actually not kidding about the sister thing, huh? How old is she?

Not kidding. She is single and as tall as I stated. Under 30. However... she is divorced and has a kid. 🇫

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN I don’t see why a single mom with a white child is such a big deal. Just a chance to help raise one of our own.

At the end of the day, it's not your kid. You can love it like your kid, and there will be a point in my life where I won't have an issue marrying a woman with children as long as she wants more

I think a good question to ask is how does she feel about dating a guy that is shorter than her? Many women I know won’t date a guy shorter than them. Circumstances may be different for a girl that’s 6’3” though

If it’s a white kid it is one of ours though

@JoeDrake True. I think the far right's over use of the "cuckholdry" and "my wife's son" memes causes single moms to be counted out. And yes my niece is white.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN well I was asking because as a single father myself, I'm willing to be with a single mother given it's just one kid, (two is too much considering the resources it'll take since I want 2-3 more myself,) I know she's quality etc.

I'm the same height, that ain't an issue. But the age thing is, sadly. I turned 23 recently. I'd assume your niece is probably already past the toddler age, (not that bad, but) I have a brother myself that's 5-6 years older than me, whom I consider my senior so it'd be strange dating someone older than him and my sister-in-law. Not to mention it'll be 2 more years before I have that house, ready for family building etc.

Perhaps once I graduate, 25 yr old with 31 isn't that absurd. Kinda embarrassing it'll be until 25 that I have a career that's not from a phd or masters, but that's how the divorce reset goes lol

Could be epic

I.E. arranged marriage. Identity Matchropa

I'm 6'3 and willing to relocate @Wood-Ape - OK/MN

Always wanted an Amazon gf to beat me up

IE eugenics program

To father the star child that will complete the cycle of german idealism and become the overman

@John O - My sister is a great gal, but with tastes difficult to anticipate. I wouldn't move just for her. 😒

Of course

@missliterallywho thanks for the stats on women's happiness. @ThisIsChris I needed this for using against women I am courting (mostly) who don't agree with my views.

@VinceChaos the video you posted "How to find a nationalist girlfriend" I disagree with. One many of us cannot afford a child who can live in a white neighborhood, so having a kid is outright dangerous. The fact is, all the trends indicate that the future is mass suffering for us, and frankly who would have kids, or should, if they think that they won't be able to themselves, spouse, and child away from that? Also note that I might be having a child myself, because I am in a relationship with someone with alot of resources who is older than I am. I would never have a kid with someone less financially able than me, because I have very little resources myself

If you have alot of money yourself, and what it takes to get a nationalist girlfriend, then yes your a hypocrite if your not having children. But if you just can't get a girl, or you have very little financial resources, then that is not being a hypocrite. Also by enough resources I mean alot more than enough to feed and clothe them, I mean enough to live in a white neighborhood

> using against women I'm courting

Warfare ???

Should you really be courting someone if you have to use stuff *against* them?

@Jacob Almost all women I meet are against what I believe. Especially the notion that 60 years ago women were happier, even among generally "conservative" women. I think sometimes IE taken Identitarians underestimate just how BAD it is out there finding a woman who is of our views, or even someone capable of being led to that point

Maybe it's just the word choice that threw me off. I get that more likely than not you'll have to guide a women a bit, but "against" sounds a bit harsh, like you're forcing the information on someone unwilling to hear it.

Which I suppose could be the case, I don't know

More like doesn't want to hear it.

Why do you need to convince them that life was better for women 60 years ago?? So long as they want to raise children the same why you do, assuming that’s the intention, does it really matter??

She will read what I give her, watch videos, but yes she wants to see men as having it easy and women as being protected

*being protected today

@NateDahl76 Well because I want her to understand why women shouldn't vote as a whole and why women should be encouraged not to work. If being a career woman isn't the ideal, and she is, what if we have a girl? She will want the same thing for her daughter. If we have a boy, she needs to understand that he will likely end up in trouble if he looks for a relationship that is similar to his mother's and I. In other words she needs to understand that while it may work for her and I, we cannot pretend it will work equally well for our son or daughter

@Jonaltright dont worry about getting a girl on board with your exact political views. It matters in the long term but not early into the relationship.

You mean put off till tomorrow what you can do today, AFTER the baby is born?

No that's not what I mean

For one thing, it takes people a long time to fully understand what we're up against right now. Once you learn the facts you also have to learn to accept them and the weight that they carry. None of that has anything to do with whether a woman will make a quality wife or not. For example, a girl can know everything there is to know about the JQ but still be a huge whore and terrible person. On the other side there's a girl who doesn't know that much about politics but wants nothing more than to live out her natural role as a wife and mother - even if she doesn't ever verbally admit it.

Another aspect to consider is that most women will end up following their man.

They need to be lead

It's not about getting them to verbally admit you're right. It's about observable traits.

We are at the point of being ready to conceive but she has all the natural resources. She is 44, I am 27. By resources I mean she has ALOT of resources. We will not be together forever. This is my chance at very high quality genes, better than mine, in making a child. But she will have most of the power, and making sure she is fully onboard is all I have to insure she will be fully onboard with my tradtional plans. To be clear, she already has two kids to someone else who she has raised fairly conservatively- sends them to church, understands the importance of masculinity on the whole, etc

I wouldn’t worry about convincing her “women shouldn’t vote” that’s a terrible hill to die on. Also, if you don’t have much in financial resources I suggest you take a less strict approach to her working. And there are absolutely white areas that are more middle/working class. Look at upstate NY. Or almost anywhere in New England.

@Zyzz I am all for her working, I am against encouraging our daughter to do the same, or expecting our son to find someone like her, the way I found her

*the way his father met his mother

Like I said, she is 90% of the way there

It's a good sign that she's raising her kids conservatively. Much better than some verbal confirmation that she agrees with your political views

Yeah and she even takes into account my opinions on porn, video games, etc in raising her current children

@TV It's whip topping on the sundae I guess? I want her to understand exactly what men and women are. Men are the place that power comes from, women wish to submit to this. She needs to understand her own nature fully in order to understand her future daughter and son's. Our relationship is very unorthodox and like I said we both expect that I will move onto another woman in the future. I will have very little power over any issues that we truly disagree on. She is in the supernova stage, the strong desire to have a child., unlike her ex wants a man who wants to be involved with the children. I agreed to that provided that she understands that I must be able to have authority over the child, as that is really what makes fathers want to be around in the first place.

I am effectively courting someone I'd never have a chance with if she were my age, sexual market value would be way to high, she denies this of course. Only reason she accepts me over a older more established man is that I am young and will give her a better shot at viable offspring

We love one another now, but know the age difference is too vast to last forever, and I can only get one kid from her,

@NateDahl76 yeah good idea. I didn't mean anything that outlandish, it's more just a mindset that actions mean a lot more than words.

hol up

I think the more interesting question is how did you end up with a 44 year old at 27

I mean I'm not trying to judge you I'm just interested. If it's personal and you don't want to explain it's fine

I am very alpha, but have very little economic power, owing to a head concussion that resulted in narcolepsy, on top of being doxxed with a very recognizable name in Charlottesville. I can pretty much land an 7-9 woman every other time I go to a bar, and have done that since I was 21. But it's not a fulfilling life. I want a family, or at least children. Problem is I have nothing to offer financially. I'd give anything for a good job, but I am just plain not really good at anything. I planned to be a cop, I even have a criminal justice degree. So my girl was at a bar a year after her divorce, I guess he had a drug issue and wasn't showing any interest in his kids, so she split. I hope that is the real reason, don't have any reason to see it otherwise. But she loves how I interact with her kids, and loves me for my paternal ideas, but just has a small amount of disagreement on the real hardcore stuff

*Not that she expects me to father her boys, but I will be around them as long as her and I have a kid, so I do my best to give them the redpill, and she and I agree that their eyes really do light up when I'm "Telling to em' like a man".

huh, I guess that makes sense

Interesting

All I can say is a "small amount of disagreement" doesn't seem like a cause for concern.

Be aware that at 44 pregnancy risks exist.

Probably offsets the purported "good genes."

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN it does, but is still a very remote possibility, even so. She also has no problem with having it aborted if it has anything screenable.

Why not focus on getting a girl your age or younger? At 27 you're not even at your prime yet. The financial thing seems like an excuse.

But all the more so. I'm getting the arguments out of the way early. She has a much higher IQ than me, though she denies it. @TV I'd love one. But I really have very limited earning potential, and they absolutely shy away once they realize this. I don't blame them. Physically I am in my prime, it's all decline after 26. What you mean is earning prime, of which I have absolutely no sign of an upward trend in that direction. Further, it is my intention to be with another woman, and we both agree that there really isn't another way.

i have height, good looks, and just a natural alpha vibe/mindset. This works for getting laid, not for holding down a woman. Also younger woman are even more at odds with my ideas, and less easily reasoned with about any kind of disagreement, let alone the nature of the sexes and white civilization. I don't know how one removes their ideas and involvement with IE from their spouse. I am proud, and no female is going to take that away from ne

*me

*Proud of my ideas and involvement in IE, and no woman is going to take that away from me.

* so yes their are younger woman that I could have pursued a kid with despite my financial status, but are not down with my thinking at all. And women that were on board, but once they saw I couldn't provide to a great extent, they shied away.

*also their have been women below my league that I'd sleep with, but am not going to reproduce and have a child that isn't going to be high quality. The future will be harsh, and many of us, including our offspring- will not be making it.

They see it in my apartment and where it is located. The clothes I wear. The car I drive. The lifestyle I live. The way I refrain from vacations, or expensive hobbies like skiing or boating. My other friends do these things. I cannot. I don't have women looking at over my financial spreadsheets of course. It is a fact women find men who show signs of wealth to be more attractive.

Women want men who have power. A good looking man is a man who looks like he has power. Wealth is a type of power. Wisdom and knowledge are a type of power (women can't always see wisdom as such however).

Frame is also important. I'm sure you understand that. It's how you present yourself. Hide the bad and showcase the good and by the time you show some of the negatives she'll be too in love with you to care. That doesn't always happen obviously. Some girls won't even speak to you without seeing the emblem on your keychain first, but that's some other guys probelm, not yours.

@Jonaltright have you ever looked into donating sperm or co-parenting?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. @missliterallywho seems like it would be better to raise a child in a traditional setting, especially considering how much he cares about the child's success.

@missliterallywho consider posting that second to last thing you said in general as well as here, as the topic of doxing just came up

>I really have very limited earning potential, and they absolutely shy away once they realize this. I don't blame them.

This reeks of low self-esteem.

The problem is not the income.

It is certainly not decline after 26 at all.

Men who take care of their health get more attractive into their 40s and 50s

@TV I also am not willing to have a kid because I simply can't afford one. With her I will not need to pay child support. As in, if the girls don't see i have an issue, I do! I would be willing to have a child with a girl if one of the higher value one's that I have dated in the past would have been willing but...obviously those were the females that once they realized my situation they became uninterested. I could therefore "marry down", but I refuse to do so. I won't have a kid that doesn't have good genes, at least I will always try to have the best I can. With this woman, I get the shot at the best potential genes, and the only investment she expects of me is to be willing and able to father the child.

@missliterallywho I never said anything about you having a worthless opinion. I appreciate it as much as anyone else. I'd consider buying an egg and surrogate, if I had the money and someone to play mom afterward. But obviously I don't have that money. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to have a child with someone far outside my class/status (men date down mostly, not up). I feel the genetic potential and financial power are worth the trade off. I've never been tested, but my IQ is likely about 100-105 at most. My GF is 147. I won't throw around $ numbers but it's more than enough, much more than I ever had growing up. She understands that my biggest agenda will be keeping my son or daughter as traditional as possible.

@missliterallywho What "women" in the movement? We outnumber them at least 11-1? Hoping for that kind of woman seems to extremely unlikely. I'd have to get a woman who is willing to live borderline poor in a low income white neighborhood and homeschool. The quality women around me just won't accept this.

@Tanner - SC I absolutely have low self-esteem because of my financial situtation. Because I genuinely cannot afford children right now, and have 0 career options, a combination of having been doxxed, having narcolepsy, and on top of that just am not that smart overall. I think you are implying I can make up for all that by just being "more confident"? Sure, if my goal is getting laid. That works. But mathematically, I cannot afford more children. That is the issue. @Alexander Pechorin Men do become more attractive in women's eyes, but biologically, our genes are always better younger. Generally men do become wiser, better educated, and tend to earn more. Biologically it is downhill for every man after 26, but again some athletes continue to perform well long after, because their skills tend to improve with training overtime, despite their bodies slowly beginning to decline after 26. The fact women find us more attractive doesn't deny that we are physically rotting just like they are, but in fact women's biology has them see our older selves as more attractive anyway. So yes, the "distinguished look" will make them feel more attracted to us, but that does not mean I will definitely be earning more, or that it will compensate for the physical prowness I will be losing

@missliterallywho We do love each other. If I could freeze her age wise until I was 44 myself, I would be more than happy with her.

Also as far as job "within the movement" this is also extremely unlikely. Also, to the extent that it is, I am limited by the same conditions that affect me in the general workforce.

What's your annual income?

Is the narcolepsy bad enough that you cannot operate a motor vehicle?

Loads of women have 4 children with drug dealers who make $20,000 a year. You can find a woman. Likely she won't be as intelligent nor as wealthy, but I think 4 children raised by a 100 IQ women in a financially rough household with 2 loving parents who stay together forever is better than 1 child with a very high likelihood of genetic defects raised by a dysfunctional broken household and a mother that's way older than any other mom in the child's peer group.

Loads of women are persuaded enough by feminism these days to not only tolerate, but be excited at the idea of a stay-at-home dad while she is the breadwinner. I wouldn't normally suggest this as an option, but since you had a life-altering injury, this scenario can make sense. Just find you a normal girl who is your age and raise a big family together. Average women can make plenty of money these days, we men have refined the workplace to be so efficient. Live in a smaller house with one car and boom, you can easily live on a single income from a woman.

@missliterallywho While this would be highly desirable, I don't have anything to market/sell/service to them. I mean, that would be great, but I still have to have some way to provide that service. I am still at square one. As far as trades go, the narcolepsy makes that difficult, especially really going far in a field to really be able to afford multiple children to a high quality woman.

IQ and money are not the end-all be-all.

IQ is the greatest predictor of life outcomes

Heck, there are single women in IE alone who are younger than 44.

@Jonaltright WRONG

single-mother household is the greatest predictor of life outcomes

The home life has a big impact.

From one sperg to another, you are sperging out over IQ

If Ms. 47 pumps out a IQ 90 kid, what would you do with yourself?

You'd go insane.

Have 4 children with a normal woman and raise them in a normal household environment.

Heck, have 8 children with a normal woman.

One of them will be a genious.

But you're over-sperging on IQ

You're putting the pussy on a pedestal. Oneitis.

@Tanner - SC You are or I am? I am not having a kid and not being involved. I am going to play a very active role. I am only having one child with her. She has WAY more financial resources than I do. Private school, white neighborhood, white church on sunday.

We literally do not intend to be together forever.

If the child wasn't as accomplished, it's true, this would be disappointing. So are alot of other really good bets in life

Be a stay-at-home dad. Homeschool. Boom, traditional environment and plenty of resources available for raising children.

There is so much more to a relationship that can be bad besides IQ and income

There are loads of average women out there working office jobs pulling $60,000 a year. Plenty of money to raise a big family.

And those women will be a life companion for you and your children, not some geriatric temporary breeding ground

@Tanner - SC I have to keep working at what I can, I hope to one day have enough to afford those 4 kids.

Small home, one car, homeschool, easily afford 4 kids with her earning an average office job salary

See that is the messed up part. The average woman making that much money, especially if she is my age, wants nothing to do with a guy like me. Its only because she knows finding someone who matches her financially is extremely difficult that this whole deal even works.

Bullshit

You're talking yourself out of success

The biggest obstacle to your goals is you

You're setting up barriers where there needn't be

How old are you Tanner?

Not every woman is seeking some dominating career climber

31

I know women with office jobs who are considering their husbands being stay-at-home dads

I just dated a 27 year old who was open to that. I wasn't, but she was.

Why were you not open to that?

Because I make a killing at work and I want a traditional home environment with the woman at home.

But if I was injured, I'd definitely be open to it

If you're worried about having more average 100-105 IQ'd kids don't. They will still be highly productive members of society. I know that sounds like a shadow of a leftist meme but when it comes to our people, it's especially true. Quality laborers are becoming more and more rare as our country was cucked with the boomer-mantra, double-whammy of 'everyone should go to college!' and 'we need countless immigrants to fill all those labor job openings!'

Western society was built and maintained by 100 IQ whites.

Heck, propensity to feminism increases with IQ, it seems

@Tanner - SC Right exactly. See, we want the same thing. Because relationships built that way tend to last, when the woman makes more, then that can be a problem. On top of that woman usually have the better options, which is almost always true if the SMV of both partners is the same. So most people should not consider that kind of arrangement. It is simply because she CAN'T find someone like that who wants kids she is cool with me- younger and more virile. That, and I really want a kid

IMO, children are better off with someone staying at home with them. It's better for that to be the mother, but in unusual circumstances, the father being at home is better than no one being at home.

Great discussion going on btw

@Mikolas AI is going to more and more displace lower IQ members of society.

>when the woman makes more, then that can be a problem
When the woman is 17 years older, that can be a BIG problem

@Tanner - SC what do you do for work?

@Pat-MA engineering management

>woman usually have the better options, which is almost always true if the SMV of both partners is the same

You are too blackpilled. If SMV is the same, the options are the same. Now women have more one-night-stand options, but that's not the same as marriage options.

Equal SMV = Equal marriage options

Some women actually WANT to get married

@Tanner - SC exactly. which is why this arrangement cannot last forever. She is beautiful still, I am financially desperate, at least for now. It can't be permanent.

They're not red-pilled, but they do want to settle down and they're not looking for a "bad boy"

@Jonaltright in our lifetimes and most of theirs, not really, well the McDonald's tier stuff probably, but not the trades, techs and farmers. Not to mention the odds of a massive economic reset from some sort of war, balkanization or w/e may come in the diversified/pozzed future.

Even if you wanted to trade off age and fertility for a gain in beauty, IQ, and money, you can do that with a 30-year-old woman. 44 is insane.

@Jonaltright Honestly man it is probably better to marry a woman who you love (and vice versa) and raise kids together in a stable marriage. Do not worry so much about IQ

SMV of 30-year old women or 26-year-old single moms is very low in the marriage market

Both will provide you a far better environment than a 44-year-old will

There's even women in IE who are fully red-pilled and waiting for a guy like you if you'll just give them a chance.

@Tanner - SC There are way more guys interested in those women than their are women. How does one meet women in IE? There is like 2 in 70 at meetups

And one or both is taken

The IE women don't all post in one spot, but look at some of the channels in this server and you'll see some

And the guys in IE have girlfriends and those women have female friends

And church youth groups are full of young women seeking marriage

My previous roommate met his wife in one. He said he was spooked at first going to the meetups because if he talked to girls there for more than 5 minutes, they thought they were on a path to marriage, haha.

You can get a good woman

@Mikolas I expect it to get very bad. I don't want to get into a debate on that here however. I don't prefer the term "black/white pilled"
I just try to be realistic. @Tanner - SC I gotta run, be back in an hour

Cheers. Keep your chin up and date more women

Open your horizons

Remember when MGTOW guys complain about thots who just go for whatever chad "gives her the tingles". Don't go after whatever woman gives you the "$$ and IQ" tingles.

@Tanner - SC very good points

And if you're hyper-concerned about being in a white-only environment for your children, the poorest areas of the midwest are still whiter than the richest areas of Texas.

Money doesn't buy everything, including a white environment.

There's the Appalachians, for starters

I live near the Appalacians and I love them

Northern New England. Rural Midwest. Rural Rockies. Ozarks.

Lots of white places left if you have an income source

Rural PNW is very white, even if the state governments are awful

@Tanner - SC money can absolutely buy a white environment, if your not looking to live far away from where all the work is in a rural area. Women are proven to be attracted (and for good reason) smarter, more successful men. Every woman tingles to $ and @Wood-Ape - OK/MN I have no income source, that is the whole point. I also don't want to leave my home state and region to go live somewhere where you have no family, friends, or any real kind of contacts. I'd have to convince her to do the same thing.

We're all gonna make it bro

damnit...

*we're all gonna make it brah*

When I feel myself starting to get blackpilled on this stuff I just think about standing on my balcony in san diego on election night in 2016, shouting to the heavens in adulation after our great victory in a thunderstorm, We're all gonna make it.

Though to be more on topic, in our circles we often see a lot of praise for the still mostly white areas in the midwest. Obv the flyover states are great in many ways, especially when considering raising a family without the "benefits" of diversity. I just worry that if we all start thinking like that then the power centers of the coastal cities will be abandonded by whites, and we will lose big time in influence.

I'm always gonna be city-averse. You guys go gentrify if you want, but I'm only useful innawoods

We could all just construct dwellings in the mountains like the Incans and have our snowcapped ethnostate.

I have been looking at brick-making machines

Grand Junction is a good place to invest in real estate if you've got the money. Reasonably cheap now, but it'll be worth much more in ten years.

Mudbrick gang gang

@cyrustheaverage how cheap etc you willing to go? Theres a manual brick press that can be built DIY called the Cenva Ram Press or something like that, MIGHT be of interest to you.

#courthship, building relationships one brick at a time.

@missliterallywho congrats @Logan !