And this is a kinds lefty weeb/gaming Oriented server

You seemed like you'd fit in

I see

what do when someone is saying well ackually all proof that china is bad is Propaganda

apart from calling them a tankie

LARP as a supporter of the Taiping rebellion, like always whenever China is mentioned

Vaush bad

Nah Vaush is based

could be better though

Ye he could stop advocating for market socialism

Vaush bad

Tankie Destiny v. Vaush debate when?

.p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtkGtXtDlQA

.s

Trump in peach.

How did you?

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Very Good

I have a headache and i know none of yall minus whoever invited me, howdy

Welcome

Henlp

What's wrong?

@Justan_is_trash

I meant Henlo sorry

ok

@Sasha

Good one

I just remembered that pork makes me sick

My break from discord has ended

Rejoice, for it is I

Ill pee in a cake

gross

Define pee

Wtf

Based

This your picture?

Yes

The stuff just came in the mail today

Nice doxx

Did you go through the exif data or something

I thought discord removed exif

I think maybe it removes some of it but I'm pretty sure it doesn't remove all of it

Lol this idiot doesn't realize stonetoss is literally a neonazi

Lmao get fucked idiot

but its all jokes tho

theres no way someone that who makes jokes is believing in them

<:3Head:592369414133907456>

🤡

wtf

this anime is critcizing capitalism

its dub

let me check the sub to make sure rteal quick

now there are 5 options here

1.) theyre facists adopting leftist rehtoric

2.) this is purely an aesthetic meme

3.) this is going be good

4.) some combination of 2 and 1
5.) its gonna be some meme socdem garbage (basically 1)

it was 1

theyre fascist

i hate this

Fascists frequently adopt leftist rhetoric... <:Feelsweirdman:644895953064820776>

What anime though?

akito the exiled

code geass spin off

Geass is pretty fucking fasc ... my dude

So yeah. Britannia's an imperalist empire

But pretty much all space politics / space opera tends to have war/imperialism themes

Yehs but in the main series Britannia was evil

I think Tulsi avoiding the impeachment stuff increases the chances that she's a crypto

If you can't even get on the anti Trump train you should go fuck yourself lol

@actual_communist_boi https://youtu.be/Ay0ACrdx3A8 is the pool she cited legit?

meow

https://youtu.be/Q_OIXfkXEj0

Onion Is hilarious

Most of them are bad

But this one popped up in my reccomended

I'm dying

Someone was telling me how Tulsi Gabbard was just a piece of shit person so 🤷‍♂️

I'd believe it

Good mornyan everynyan! I have been making my eye sight worse by staying up too late. I think that a large number of Christmas songs and movies are subversive.

Yeah, the left is killing christmas 🤡

now it's just happy holidays

Lol

Okay Nazi @Danacrag

I like brown girls so I'm not a nazi

hrmmmmmmm that awkward moment when you recognize the character, don't remember what it's from and also don't want to ask someone who is a clownworld fren for their manga/character name

<:feelsbadman:643817668394090506>

Truly, I am living in a society

Jahy sama @sydtko

thanks <:Feelsweirdman:644895953064820776>

@Deleting User

cuute

@Danacrag you are a brown girl

I wish!

uwu

@Danacrag looks like another one of Methode's victims

Mhm

He uses some sort of dark arcana to transform men into soft fembois

AwA

Now that you mention it I think I met methode just a few months before transitioning. Coincidence?

Definitely not a coincidence

<:Smug:643129431434461194>

Methode is notorious for pushing the transgenda

^

Agent of globohomo

Well it's pretty great for the most part

I'm not the biggest fan of getting memed into having gender dysphoria tbh

Just transition to remove it haha

I cant

You can

Just believe in yourself

It goes against Catholicism. Being trans isnt real

Cutting yourself up and taking drugs doesnt make you a girl

Just be a skeptic

What if it's actually being Catholic that isn't real

What

Heretic

Also

Whether or not I'm "biologically a girl" doesn't matter to me at all

I live my life as a girl and I'm treated like a girl most of the time and that's all I really care about

Matters to me a lot tbh

Why?

Or you could just be gender nonconforming

Or just not be catholic

Catholicism true

God real

If you can effectively perform the social role of a woman and be recognized as such, why does biology matter?

Last time I asked for an argument you cited aquinas unironically tho

Reject biological limitations and embrace transhumanism

Because you are born one way. You soul is attached to your body.

Gendered souls? Nice

Prove I dont have a girl soul?

Our roles are and expectations are related to our bodies

Mine aren't apparently

Your soul doesn't have a gender and will remain the same regardless of what social roles you perform

They are. You are choosing to reject them

No, society places female roles and expectations on me

So mine arent related to my body

Or my genitals anyway

God is the one with the expectations too

And He made you one way

Ye trans

She made me trans

Why would God concern themselves with such trivial matters

Blasphemy

@LustrousMandrill God cares about everything

I really hope danacrag is a larper

A really committed larper

I'm not

As long as you're a fundamentally good person, why would they care about something like how you choose to express yourself in the 3D material world?

Embracing your given role is being good tho

Rejecting it is immoral

Imagine probably being a trans woman but thinking God exists and cares if you wear pink clothes or use nice smelling shampoo or use different pronouns

Yep

My "given role" sucked

We must carry our crosses.

The path to heaven isnt easy

I'd rather look cute than go to heaven

Am I even allowed to do bdsm in heaven? Doubt it

💤 boring

You'll look cuter in heaven tho

I wouldn't care in heaven though

No sex or drugs

I'm hell you will be twisted in the worst form imaginable

You will have happiness instead of pleasure

Brb

So let's say someone has a problem with their heart or another vital organ and needs surgery to fix it and improve their chances for survival. Or even if they have depression and need medication to help them find relief from it. Is it immoral to go through with the surgery or take the medication because you're rejecting the role you've been given, i.e. being unhealthy and miserable?

I'm curious to see where God draws the line with such things.

There is a difference between treatment for an illness and completely changing your body so you can reject your expected role

Also I'm actually unsure about organ donations

Christians aren't really supposed to donate their organs

Which may imply receiving an organ is also immoral

And I'm pretty sceptical when it comes to drug treatments for many mental illnesses

Well, I do know that people of certain religious affiliations (I think Jehovah's Witnesses do this?) refuse to accept organ transplants because they think it's immoral

There is also something I find strange about having another's heart inside you. Often the heart of someone younger given to someone older.

It disturbs me

Anyway, how do we tell which things are illnesses and which are just expected roles? If your "expected role" is causing you distress (i.e. gender dysphoria), would it not make sense to treat it as a form of illness as well and try to mitigate it by changing the thing that's causing you distress in the first place? It seems to me that your argument could just as easily be applied to, for example, depressed people, as it could be said that being depressed is just their given role designated by their biology and that it's immoral to try to change that.

Suffering is caused by sin

The through suffer comes greater good

Even in treatment people suffer

It is good to show mercy to others

Do not be so one minded about this

Both punishment and salvation come from God

Suffering and elevation

How do you know this?

The words of saints

It seems highly faith-based

Isn't it possible that those saints could have just been lying or delusional or something?

Nope

Why not? Is it not true that all humans are fallible?

"There is a difference between treatment for an illness and completely changing your body to reject a social role" what if I'm changing my body to treat gender dysphoria @Danacrag

That is terminal gender dysphoria imo @chaizu

Eh?

Do you uh

Do you know what terminal means

I'm happy for you rejecting your social role as prescribed by god

I do. And the high suicide rate of transgenders is example for that

Pretransition transgendered people*

Pretty much all of the data shows that trans peoples lives have a strong tendency to improve following transition.

The failure to help people with proper treatment because of lies about transitioning isnt helpful anyone

What are the lies about transitioning

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

@Danacrag

Tbh I cant be bothered to argue about stats on this. Everyone has stats that they like. I cant really buy into studies done on some place that has an LGBT equality section. Seems like they will choose whatever studies they like. @chaizu

@actual_communist_boi ?

Are their studies to the contrary though? It's not like they cherry picked one or two studies, this was a meta-analysis of 55 studies

@Castore don't try to lie and say you haven't done it

i havent and im not lying

@LustrousMandrill did you try to do it ?

Everyone with a dick has tried it at some point

That's my position on the matter

@Danacrag why don't you bring in in the idiots you listen to on the topic in here

@Danacrag "im going to ignore this metaanalysis because my prior unfounded belief disagrees with it"

@Deleted User you groomed me. No one else did

You were literally debating if you were a trans woman or not like 8 months ago

Or if you should transition. And your conclusion was no even though you want to, because it is against catholicism

@chaizu @Deleted User it's not a meta-analsysis

@Danacrag but this is

Ok fine systemic literature review

👀

I think you forgot to post it

@Danacrag in meta-analysis, sexual reassignment surgery (SRS) improves a large number of quality of life indicators (gender dysphoria, depression, suicidal ideation, quality of life, sexual) for 4 of 5 patients, including in 15-year-long followup studies: <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x> <http://sci-hub.tw/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x> Pooling across studies shows that after sex reassignment, 80% of individuals with GID reported significant improvement in gender dysphoria (95% CI = 68–89%; 8 studies; I2 = 82%); 78% reported significant improvement in psychological symptoms (95% CI = 56–94%; 7 studies; I2 = 86%); 80% reported significant improvement in quality of life (95% CI = 72–88%; 16 studies; I2 = 78%); and 72% reported significant improvement in sexual function (95% CI = 60–81%; 15 studies; I2 = 78%).

@chaizu shut up whore I was busy collecting polls about impeachment, like a chad

Wow sexist

@actual_communist_boi any stats on drug usage or suicide. I'd find them much more interesting that reported happiness

That study says it improves depression and suicidal ideation

So unless you think that suicide will stay the same even though thoughts of suicide decrease then idk why youd need a separate study for that as if my review wasn't enough

@Danacrag very few medical studies actually examine suicide, because it's rare so you need a very long timeframe and large sample size to measure it accurately

instead, they examine suicidal ideation, which is a great correlate of suicide

@Danacrag to give you an idea of how rare

Surely to work that out you need to study suicide <:Boomer:644902956130500608>

of 10 million with ideation, 45,000 did it

each year