Sort of depends on which value or mindset/disposition I am in when I think about it...
A capitalist mindset might say this has negative ramifications on people's productivity
A scientist is like... "HELL YEA" more inductions

Why not what?

Also... when it comes to uh... something that parallels HRT is the garage biohackers with CRISPR. While there's massive arguments for regulating it... I also think you should allow people to do it

@Deleted User You need to clarify your question if you want a response though. "Why not..." [what] ? I've lost the referent / pronoun here

Why shouldn't they change their hormones

And I'm not sure how hormones with the informed consent model is comparable to DIY Crispr

There's risk associated with it or the medical term would be one sec...
reason not prescribe stuff

Because, in the end, you're taking on what is some amount of risk to alter your body for a better or different quality of life

And you think people shouldn't be able to do that?

This goes back to which disposition you ask me from... if it's paid by the state and then winds up having negative results on productivity or human capital, no (capitalist mindset)
However, from a science perspective, you actually have to do the inductions to know the above

To know if something is going to be highly detrimental or not

I think based on what I know about transitioning... it seems generally benign or neutral

I'm actually really triggered that I can't find the specific word for "reason not to prescribe meds"... it's a co- prefix word

The meaning of the word is like... opioids. Doctors don't give you them unless you have a severe pain problem, because opioids are relatively dangerous and you're taking on risk

Contraindications

just wondering do you only have those two mindsets, capitalist and scientific

I don't believe I only have two, I appeal to these two the most... the rest didn't have relevance

issues must be pretty simple if u only call on 2

I mean... I meme hardcore on people as a trivialist and with Walt Whitman's quote
"Very well, I contradict myself... I am massive, I am many"

@sydtko I'm not transmedicalist lmfao

Yes, I am a simpleton and the dumbest man alive

I'm saying that we should require therapy and a formal diagnosis before hormones

and probably a higher age limit

@actual_communist_boi that's what you think <:Smug:643129431434461194>

@Deleted User I think the Netherlands should raise it to 14, everywhere else lower it to 14

based on this data

I'm pretty sure... that's the tenets of transmedicalism

literally no

lmfao

wot

```Transmedicalism is a term for a wide range of beliefs in the transgender community that are critical of transgender people who haven't medically transitioned and/or don't experience major dysphoria. Many transmedicalists (or "transmeds" for short) focus on gatekeeping.

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I don't care if you do or don't transition

"... a formal diagnosis" probably means GD, yes?

**medically transitioned and/or don't experience major dysphoria.** is roughly equivalent to "... a formal diagnosis" ?

Am I mistaken?

@actual_communist_boi it's less then 50 at age 14?

Or before?

I've sort of conflated truscum, transmed with each other...
And it does seem to be a normal position... among normies... (but I could be mistaken)
If you're not undergoing HRT or have dysphoria, they probably assume you're cis

Why should you require therapy and a formal diagnosis before hormones? @actual_communist_boi

And yes this is trans med garbage

@Deleted User if healthcare is free, caveat

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if it's not, I'm fine w/ it being w/o diagnosis

assuming healthcare is free (AHIF)

So then how can people who don't have those in a free healthcare system get it?

AHIF, people should get therapy before getting any medication with a semi-high risk

**if it's not, I'm fine w/ it being w/o diagnosis**

read!

You said if healthcare is free it should require it

yes

AHIF, people should get therapy before getting any medication with a semi-high risk

here let me formalize it

Yea, he's taking the same stance I am...
Paid for by the state, there should be the process limiting/gatekeeping it
If paid for personally, by the individual, it's unnecessary

Yeah but if the state has free healthcare they might make private healthcare illegal

What are you supposed to do then

[1] AHIF
[2] people should get therapy before getting any medication with a semi-high risk
[3] hrt is a medication with a semi-high risk for adolescents
[4] adolescents should get therapy before getting hrt medication

Fucking Socialisfs

lol

now you're meming

2 is false

And no I'm not

I hate you people now

There will probably still be a black market chemist for HRT ... if you're really that concerned... tbh.

That's dangerous you moron

Why shojdl they have to go to the blsck market

You fucking asshole

@actual_communist_boi plenty of single payer plans include makibg private healthcare illegal

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Respond to my point

@Deleted User and???

this would be public healthcare

omg

Where will you get it if private healthcare is illegal

from

the

public

system

because

it's

free

But you don't have dysphoria or therapy

Where?

???

you get free therapy

because it's free

because it's the NHS

holy shit

But you don't have gender dysphoria

So again

?????????

Answer my question

you can see a therapist without a GD diagnosis

everyone should have a therapist, period

When people say therpay they mean formal diagnosis

yes! from a psychologist/psychiatrist

Or a waiting time period of therpay

your therapist!

Get in vc

Yorue annoying me

i cannot speak