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Who cares about boomers lol
@wyatt You could say the same thing about being overtly WN so why don't we lie and pose as civic nationalists???
He's actually in Cuba , so.
yesterday i got a top comment on a breitbart facebook comment thread by literally saying "there is nothing wrong with white nationalism when the alternative is a violent mexican/islamic hellhole" Literally 500 fat boomers liked my comment. Had i mentioned hitler i would have gotten none o fthe likes and a thread of "WE FOT THE GERMAN NAZI JEW HADERS"
you can sit here and try to rationalize your preference from ignoring basic politics and ignoring the overton window but your arguments are dumb as fuck
and objectively wrong
"We must not use the swastika in order to secure likes on Breitbart by boomers."
optics will always matter. anybody who says different is just wrong
Okay so pray tell, at what point exactly will the overton window have shifted enough for us to be able to use the swastika?
What will need to have transpired?
something i ask american white nationalists is when they will take the fucking german 1940s aesthetic binky out of their mouth and create something new for americans
Literally has an Anime Avatar and is calling you dumb as fuck, nice
most of the time they dont care
they just want to hold on to the past
Isn't this whole movement about resurrecting a dead past? hahaha
no its about building a permenent future
If you think that you can push for WN without taking care of the jews first, you might as well not bother, and I dare you to name the jew without being compared to Nazis.
"I need this swastika on my arm to be critical of jews"
The Nazi stigma has to end or we're never gonna win PERIOD
sure if you think winning is ressurecting the third reich. which not everyone wants
@wyatt we are that is why we have the TWP now and American National Socialism
Winning is destroying jewish power in this country
I think the swastika is just like the word "racist" or the word "nigger". It only has power when you give it power. The problem is that it has baggage. It's just a symbol. It's like a gun, can't hurt anyone without someone behind the trigger. But the Jews used it to gain power over the goyim. Gonna take a while- so I think the lesson is just not to rush it. Frankly I don't care. But I do think rushing things is going to be a problem for us.
I understand both sides of this debate. I see the merits in shocking the system and I see the merits of trying to package friendly optics to normies. Fact still remains that the organizers of this event are doing the latter. If you disagree, no one is stopping you from organizing your own full fash event.
No one has answered my question yet btw
To me the swastika is a religious symbol being in Asatru and it is used by the Germanic Heathen religions
Hiter and the Swastika are awesome and I would like to see us bring them back someday after we break the conditioning but the MOST IMPORTANT THING is getting people to UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPALS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM, you don't even have to call it that, it is just a label, the contents are what is important
^That doesn't really stand here apparently
Oh no i have no problem with nazi memes. I have no problem with using 3rd reich nostalgia in the culture war and breaking down welded shut doors of cultural taboo.
But if you show up in somebodies town wearing that stuff you are not going to win any hearts and minds. I cant think of anything more obnoxious.
People forget that our goal right now is not building a political party. Its not raising an army.
Its a much more labourous task but a much more stategically important one.
Thats getting a majority of white people on board with white identity itself.
you can build as many literal national socialist parties as you want. It wont fucking matter unless you have hundreds of millions of whites ready to fully embrace who they are
people also need to remember
Just go join the alt-lite then. They're doing a better job of that than anyone in the Alt-Right. Our job is to call out the jews.
you could oven every single kike in america and you would still have 100 million whites roll over for niggers and spics for the next 200 years
Okay so I suppose that isn;t a message being pushed by hollywood then??? why the fuck do we even care about jews if that's the case???
you cant "turn off" decades of brainwashing by just removing the TV.
this shit is build into millions of peoples brains
they have to be deprogrammed
you dont do that by dressing up as the people who they have been brainwashed to fear
You can however point out (((who))) is responsible for the bill of goods you've been sold.
Question: Is the Swastika more important than saving the race?
I ask because it seems to me that clinging to it regardless of what is effective in winning people over is like the Conservatives clinging to "muh principals"
Hitler started with only a small number and faced huge antifa communist opposition. Anyone saying that the swastika has too much baggage is only giving in to the Jewish lies that Hitler actually did anything wrong.
^ its not
the swastika and hitler are not more important that a future for white children
I wish it was as easy as presenting a Swastika to a white person and it would just snap them out of the jewish trance, but yea...
You're not gonna be able to secure a future for white children if you are unwilling to go through the pain of destroying the Nazi stigma. Swastikas are necessary for that.
waking up is a journey, I'm sure if everyone told their story we would have a bunch of unique stories
Implying Hitler wasn't important for the white race and white children
he was important for german people and german children
And gave the spark for us
There's plenty of normies that want the stigma to go away deep down and its not ever gonna happen for them unless they see other people doing it first.
So we rid of his history completely? And throw away the great leader he was?
It's not about holding on to some past the swastika is a powerful symbol of our people and cucking on it ibecause of what normies might think is holding back our progress.
as the alt right grows the stigma will go away
Thats part of it indeed Stormer
I JUST CANT FEEL SAFE IF IM NOT PACKING AN AR WITH A 100 ROUND DRUM AND SPORTING MY SWASTIKA ARMBAND.
Okay so as I asked before, when exactly will it become okay all of a sudden??? what needs to transpire first???
At this time the world isn't ready for the swastika yet but there are other symbols that are as meaning full to the European race as it like the black hole sun the iron eagle and the wolves hook that we can use but not be as in your face
it not going to be "okay all the sudden"
kids are seeing hitler memes and being disarmed by them
they dont care
When we get to have a Realistic Reinvestigation of things like WW2 and The Holohoax and shit like that
but their older siblings, their parents , and their grandparents DO
we need ALL of these people
It will have to be slowly worked in first with sun wheels then slowing straitening out the arms over time
white children are an EXTREME demographic minority.
Everything will be OK once Anglin buys the NYT building
and not the vehicle to our immediate salvation
Okay so what's your fear? you've got a boomer who just wants his country back and he goes to the unite the right rally and sees a swzi. now all of a sudden hes gonna support antifa???
We also obviously need Japanese anime over everything first too.
you need a mass , multigenerational awakening
you need every white person
young and old
welp we're toast
saying "im white an i have explicit political interests"
lets pack it in boys
Who cares what the world is ready for. The world never wants to see radical change take place. faggots and trans freaks got accepted in the mainstream by parading their radical agenda and symbols in the streets
>we need the boomers
haha nice joke
we are not talking about radical change
Well that's gay
@wyatt For a boomer to be pro-white is like for a nigger to be a rocket scientist
Thats something a civic nationalist would say.
Do you think niggers have a place in America?
you guys think its going to be some massive revolution. Its not. Day by day. More and more white people are going to wake up. And soon within the next 5-10 years. There will be enough to inititate a massive shift in culture and politics
and you think that swastikas in public will inhibit that?
its literally objectively true that it does. What was the message that is different from what WN1.0 was saying 20 years ago? the difference was nothing.
the only difference was the image
Lol so the internet hasn't changed anything from 1.0???
Chill. One mission. Pull of CVille TOGETHER. United. We will have our swastika rallies and we'll have our clean cut polo and kaki rallies. Mission is white identitarianism right now. Everything else is subordinate to that
so unite the right by excluding the Nazis???🤔
Yeah how is it unite the right when you exclude national socialists lol?
I think rockwell was SAYING the right things. But its kind of odd to ask a bunch of ww2 veterans who had their friends machinegunned by germans to sign up for your army
The movement of the past 70 years was very Swastika heavy, very violent/extreme, and very, very ineffective. What is different about your strategy and the Klan doing the same thing 50-60 years ago?
Nobody is excluding Nazis. There's just a dress code. I'm basically a Dixian with Nat Soc leanings. But I can show up in a polo. It's no big deal.
You realize he was one of those vets right?
"By being a Nazi, with the Swastika, I would also gather the only kind of people I wanted around me: the tough, dedicated idealists ready to fight for those ideals and give their lives, if necessary. And even more important, I would automatically scare off the millions of blabber-mouths, cowards, fools and crackpots which infest the rest of the 'movement'. The Swastika would probably not bring me many supporters, but those who came would be men." -George Lincoln Rockwell
you realize thats not an argument
The swastika failed
Rockwell was shot...
No he was murdered
It's not 1930 Germany
lol he was shot by his own people
It's be cool if it was but it ain't
thats how dysfunctional these movements were
The quote is still true.
Implying there arent death threats daily to Richard Spencer....
See the issue?
Also, this is more of a pro-Confederate issue, the removal of Lee's statue. I think we all agree that the removal of that statue is an affront to all of us. But the main issue is a Confederate statue is being removed. Let's keep it about that, and unifying to prevent it happening.
Also note why red black and white were chosen by the NSDAP
Using those colors here today would work as well as red white and blue in Germany in 1930
I don't think you cucks are as aware of the optics as you think you are. You're literally doing less than the alt-lite to make white idenity acceptable
Knowing history and why certain colors and symbols worked then is called being historically literate
You do know red/white/black had a history in Germany right?? Hitler didn't pull them out of his ass.
lol dude i didnt want to say this because its rude but in A YEAR Identity europa eclipsed every white nationalist movement in the past 50 years. They succeed because of how they look. How they act. and how they CARE about how they look and act.
Rockwells army was 400 people at its height. IE is like 700 people a YEAR from starting.
Plus Rockwell was shot by a crypto jew which I believe there are a lot more of in this movement than was in his
@Stormer DC I'll wave a Nazi flag any day of the week with you except this day. Because the ORGANIZERS asked me not to. Being white carries a responsibility of honoring your ally when he invites you to his event. I'm no cuck. I opened my home to the New Orleans protestors and I'm driving across the country to be in CVille. The flag isn't important on that day. The event is.
@wyatt no disrespect to IE, I appreciate you goys. But to be fair if you have almost twice the amount of people why have you accomplished less than rockwell
hitler had the support of like
30% of germany
Hitler won millions of votes
>WHY HAVEN'T YOU ESTABLISHED THE 4TH REICH YET
like i said
I'm not trying to attack but simply having people doesn't make you successful...
i dont think people REALLY understand what the task is
These things take time.
A strategy that was tried for 70 YEARS and repeatedly failed is not a strategy I like.
the task isnt to necessarily BUILD a movement
The putsch was a shitshow failure
Hitler was not that much of an autiste and recognized that means doesn't work
Optics are important tactically and strategically. Its an unmistakable fact. One that the faster is recognized the faster we can get to the real work that needs to be done.
its to AWAKEN white people
hundreds of millions
IE is not going to do that
national socialism isnt going to do that
Hitler became the leader of the NSDAP in 1921. It took him over a decade to actually win power. We need to have perspective, and realize that these things don't happen overnight.
white sharia isnt going to do that
Once agin wen even NSM remove the swastika from their emblem ...
Not on its own ie wont but collectively w the help of others it can.
right now we are on the downslope of a cultural reversal
You niggas need to read mao's keys to guerilla warfare. For an ideological insurgency is exactly what we are and no insurgency wins without popular support
the 60s is when the left took power
right now the left is "old and boring"
we have to fill this vaccuum
People aren't waking up because of anything the Alt-Right is doing. People are waking up because they see that America no longer exists.
in the next 10 years if white identity is not completely normalized. WE LOSE
Nsm still larps harder than darkon
@Stannisthemannis unless its going to be an armed insurgency then the tactics of an ideological insurgency are useless
Theres a difference between being a clean cut NS, and having prison tattoos.
even NSM dropped the swastika from what i have heard
Same tactics apply to both
Popular support is the #1 prereq in both
The insurgency will inevitably rely upon an armed or violent wing.
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT A FLAG (a symbol) WHEN THEY ARE REMOVING A STATUE (a symbol). ??? Focus on the task at hand.
You compare National Socialism to Prison gangs?
That statue is gone no matter what we do.
I don't think this argument is worth having right now though
Cville isn't going to change their minds because of us
@Stannisthemannis stage 1 is def hearts and minds. Even if it requires some level of optics consciousness
Cville city council doesn't actually have the legal power to take down the statue.
Not all National Socialists use the swastika any more do you see TWP flying swastikas?
Do you see Vanguard waving swastikas? Thats not the point
Patience young padawans
fro what exactly?
Do not expect victory anytime soon
We've been patient for too many years
Good luck though
I hear that all the time. it implies that at some point it will be fine. again what has to transpire then if you know so much???
I don't expect to die without seeing results either tbh...
Gotta play the long game. Use your white time preference
When these rallys are attracting well over a thousand each time then it may be time to consider stage two
How long have you all been at this??
That will depend on realities of the situation at that point
I've studied popular uprising and Insecurities for over 15 years one think you learn from that is "long war theory"
@Stannisthemannis you know what I'm about brother I don't want to argue this with you. We can talk one on one if you'd like
National socialism is a political ideology. Chinese people could adopt national socialism and incorporate a swastika just as various non white communist countries adopted the hammer and sickle. Nat Soc only applies to white identitarianism so far as that it has been associated with Germany. The bigger picture right now is white identity. If you put the Nat Soc agenda over white identitarianism at this point when not everyone is on board with Nat Soc then I think we have an issue
How long have I been paying attention to politics and optics and understanding what is necessary to change people's minds you mean? or how long have I been a Nazi?
@Americana - MD just friendly debate in private. I will never counter signal any of us publicly
Maybe if we actually had 1000 strong fit fighting men with swastika armbands and flags we would instill some fear and they would take us seriously instead of a bunch of marshmallow gut faggots
ya im not bothered by this debate at all. Its good we have them
I was in the National Alliance in HS right before Pierce died. To see how far we've come is most white pulling.
I think everyone needs to check their water filters, because some of them seem clogged.
Yea goys im only debating this is nothing personal
I just don't want things to get derailed
its MUCH better than freaking out and not talking to each other
thats what destroyed WAR
lots of infighting
Even the clan in the 50s wen they had over 10k people at the 1953 democratic national convention achieved nothing in the long run
well that happened
We're all on team white. I mean nothing personal and take nothing personal. I'm just taking a shit and popped on discord lol
Klan was fighting a changing set of values domestically. Didnt utilize what power they had in 20's and never recovered from ww2 stigmas
Go pick up some good book guerrilla warfare and long war theory
ya my politics has always been one goal. "the normalization of white identity"
Somebody throw on some st Crispin speech
what happens after that is irrlevant to me
In my experience the harder I go and the less I hold back the more progress I make even with normies.
Ultimately I think not everyone is NatSoc here but the NatSoc are tired of being counter signaled regardless of being allies to white identity
He who beats down commies with me today is my brother
when white men cant be fired for being white nationalists is when our movement and our people are liberated
You have to be the Connor McGregor of activism
at least mentally
To make your way to the top
after that any number of things can happen
parties could form
Gotta wipe... legs going numb
but none of those things can happen without white identity for hundreds of millions
Like I said, I think the natsocs are tired of being attacked within the movement for what THEY believe to be the right way
@Stormer DC That's all good and fair. We want you to go hard. We want everyone to go at this from multiple angles. Just on this day in CVille, let's make it a white identitarian rally of unity, with political agendas set aside. We all know Lee was a great man and a symbol of white greatness. That's the issue right now. One brick at a time.
I would say that the alt-lite has done more to accomplish that goal than the Alt-Right by far and away if for no reason other than they have greater numbers
And natsocs certainly support white identity and will be there regardless
And I'll support NatSoc
Ok ttyl for real now