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Why do you always have to fall all over yourself to get the last word in?
Point is, it's stupid to openly associate yourself with an ideology you have to climb uphill to change the perceptions of when you can rebrand and don't have to.
I'll think twice to question our glorious queen next time
Hey compatriots let's save the night of long knives for the ethnostate
We're just organizing a tiki torch rally
Well the Satanist have a statue in detroit and other major cities paid for by tax dollars... @Erika
@Nicklis - OH jfc I still don't think that makes it mainstream, though. It just means a certain minority group bitch enough in a most likely Leftist controller city and got what they wanted.
We need real torches this time lol
I'm sure we all have different ideals about how we should present ourselves and I'm sure they each have some pitfalls. We should focus on the reason we're doing this, unity.
We're only strong when we're working as one force
Baby steps seem nice. Survive THEN thrive. lets worry about wether to be fascist or not when all the commies are already dead
We aren't going to get rid of the commies without some fascism.
The normies refusal to see the fascism in the behavior of American heroes past is insipid.
I agree on both angles. We need a good spearhead that appeals to the public. But yes.. If/when the time comes... My NS brothers and I will be the sword. Waiting behind the scenes.
I want a meme of George Washington crossing the Delaware in a Helicopter and throwing "red coats" out along the way
People pretend Lincoln didn't arrest the entire Maryland Assembly.
Pretty Fashy maneuver that.
I know most here align with the alt-south. We would still be foolish to not acknowledge all the parts of our history that counter. The prevailing "good guy/bad guy" Marxist Kike version of history.
Appealing to the public is too Democratic for me. A Biblical example is that the savior, Jesus Christ, was passed up over a common thief Barnabas when left to the public decision
You win public by being their fighter. Their champion.
They don't give two shits if that's in a cross, swastika, pentagram, or a hammer and sickle. If you're their champion they will love you
I guess by public, I mean fellow Whites that could be open to our message. Its obviously not a Populist movement. We only want a specific kind, even anong whites, in our ranks.
Another example is how would you court a woman? Courting public opinion is the same way. You do so by being bold, courageous, and a fighter. If you're unwilling to do those things no amount of swastikas or PRcucking is gonna get you accepted
Every great and successful movement of our type has had the same view on "optics". Present an honest and true message, openly name your enemies, and you will recruit the people who believe in your message and will fight for it. If you try and trick people into supporting you you show you are weak and a liar, and when they find out they will recoil from you, and rightfully so.
Why try to appeal to and recruit people who want nothing to do with you? The NSDAP started with 20 maligned extremists in a bar in Munich. By being open and honest and speaking truth to power you will recruit earnest and honest men who will fight and die for you.
“Generals think war should be waged like the tourneys of the Middle Ages. I have no use for knights; I need revolutionaries.” AH
Joe Normie isn't going to strap on boots and fight communists with you no matter how much you lie about being a White Nationalist and Anti-Semite.
What this illustrates, to me, is the prioritization of social capital and outward appearance over true self presentation of ideas and goals. This is a very feminine behavior.
If we inhibit or deny any tactic we are limiting ourselves.
As things get more tumultuous people will tend radical. One direction or another. It’s only a matter of time before we have people flocking to us and demanding radicalization. We’d better be ready to provide that to them.
Who says anyone is lying about being a white nationalist or anti-Semite? Going around LARPing about wanting a 4th Reich and not softening your image will make Joe Normie shut down and not even want to listen to your point of view. None of this is about lying to appeal to normies. It's about rebranding and being smart about your rhetoric to open up conversation with those on the fence. Obviously, there's a time and place for harsher rhetoric and tactics. And that time will come as whites continue to feel more out of place and discriminated against.
There's a place for and time for everyone from 'moderates' like IE to Aryan Brotherhood prison gang alumni.
We just need leadership with the ingenuity and stomach to embrace a variety of tactics.
For now whomever is organizing earns the right to call the shots. If anyone doesn't like it:
Create your own brand and publicize your own events
I wouldn't call really IE "moderate". Not after being involved in so much activism with the organization and 1 on 1 conversations with IE leadership. Although I am happy we come off that way. We put a lot of work into our brand and optics, and it pays off with how many high quality applicants we usher into the family every week.
We throw them off by with nice guy nationalism... then BAM! Slam the door on the oven.
Yeah I see IE as moderate since the only thing they are pushing for is whiteness, no preference in fashy economic systems. Barebones white nationalism
IE isn't setting the edge. That's not their role. By have always having someone more extreme it gives anyone less extreme wiggle room.
Well IE is 14 with an optional 88.
This is how the left has worked for a century and it's why they are freaking out now that we have groups even accidentally employing these tactics.
And by having slightly more extremes it tests the waters a bit on what you can get away with in an ideology
Yup, IE can speak to the masses. This frees up the shitlords to rustle some jimmies, and they just need to agree and amplify.
In a world with Richard Spencer getting any attention at all Rep Steve King and Clay Higgins can say things that people yawn at.
We're just not a political organization. We work on a metapolitical level to influence political change. We keep politics out of the public eye.
I agree with the strategy of convincing those on the fence. That's where we are in today's political landscape.
Redpill all the civic nationalists
Focusing on exclusively "red pilling all of group X" is poor strategy. People are systematically trained to reject extremes.
The tactic is to keep putting the message out there in all forms possible to all receptive audiences through a variety of medium.
The power of audacity is what draws people in.
We need more numbers and we ultimately need to win the hearts and minds of the voters. We're going to need to play the Democratic system until it bites the dust
*which is hopefully soon reee*
Extremists don't "try to be extreme" find your niche & push the agenda. 14 words is the bare minimum. Personally I won't waste my time on the civics, I think you'll have better luck converting left wing radicals. Revolutionaries are revolutionaries, they just need to wake up to the fact that they're fighting for the wrong team. Civics seek to maintain a system that is bent on white genocide. We will not vote our way out of this, but I'm happy to help my white brothers & sisters any time, any place. So I'll see all you moderates in Cville
Democracy has clearly failed but it has a military holding it's lifeless corpse up for the time being
Fully agreed, they will be there just like they are at every event to show their power, by continuing to keep the 2 opposing factions at Bay they demonstrate to the Normie that they are the true power in the street. Lemmings follow power. This is why erosion of system power is fundamental to our cause.
Some civics still think they can vote out of it. The treatment of Trump has been a red pill of its own to others.
I know a couple guys who were Bernie followers who got red pilled when the Jew reverted to type. They are now solid 14 words and exploring 88
We will all talk more in Cville, looking forward to it!
I think it's good we recognize that the full truth and natural order must be restored
There's no voting out of this.
The masses don't want your message, it's unsafe to hold it. The system crashes down on them and threatens their livelihood for it.
The lemmings will follow along with what the system says to believe, blue is red, peace is war, slavery is freedom. So long as their comfort is assured.
Telling the truth is essential but another part of the truth is we need muscle to insure it gets out there and is not further suffocated by the system.
What is wrong with the "but muh PR!!!" Isn't that people necessarily disagree with you on that but it's the wrong mentality to placate your enemy and seek to be subjugated to the opinion of the masses.
Any contentious event needs the polished appearance around the speaker for public consumption. The hoi poloi around for atmospherics. These dedicated activist give the appearances of mass appeal.
Then there needs to be a protection/enforcement we all know what they are for. There is no "minimum threshold." Anyone who wants/likes to fight and has a modicum of discipline is welcome
If the Proud Boys, Aryan Brotherhood, or random biker gangs want to come knock heads, cool.
Funny enough, I am going to PR school right now. The most applicable takeaway so far is that you need to network with third-party allies and call on them to push limited agendas that fit within your broad agenda.
—Which is somewhat what we've been doing.
Also @Tyrone You are aware that the AB overwhelmingly does not really give a shit about the 14 Words?
Neither do the proud boys.
They aren't philosophers or orators. They are their for intimidating or if that fail enforcing.
If 70 IQ dindus can do it we can find a guy with a Reichstag Eagle on his head and we will just ask him to wear a hat.
I also have a feeling that they are apolitical because people run like bitches from association. I just kind like the idea of weaponizing them against the rainbow coalition.
Based Stickman doesn't have a coherent world view either, he just likes to fight.
You know what happened when the Rolling Stones contracted the Hell's Angels for concert security?
—Overall point being, don't rely on people who don't have a modicum of discipline and don't consider themselves to share your cause, at least more than superficially.
What I will say for the AB is that their logo isn't literally a BBC.
Shamrock tattoos are implicitly white.
I'm familiar with what Hell's Angels did. To this day, no one fucks with them.
I wish people still had the same respect/reverence/fear for what white people have done across the planet when we take off the restrictor plate.
GAS ALL KIKES AND HANG ALL NIGGERS
GAS ALL KIKES AND HANG ALL NIGGERS
oy vey its like another shoah
this shower looks funny
i don't even remembah
@Hand Banana what is your training regimen for your duel with Mr "Fvtvre Soldier" Strasser?
37 raw eggs a day 37 raw eggs a day 37 raw eggs a day 37 raw eggs a day
Holy shit you're fucked <:futuresoldier:324384735675547658> @JohnStrasser
I'm dirty bulking
No exercise at all, trying to retain mass
@everyone I would strongly recommend that you stop antagonizing alt-light groups through to the event. We're already going to get a unified liberal and media attack on us. We should focus our attack on them.
@everyone If an alt-light or cuckservative specifically attacks our event that's another story. You should post about it here so we can attack them as a unified battalion
It's literally called "Unite the Right", there's no reason to be countersignalling alt lite guys imo. Unless they're like Oathcucks who are threatening to come and "Shut us down", but that's a bit different
There are a lot of reasons to attack the alt-lite. But we should also only be attacking them if they provoke it, and as Jason said, we should attack them as a group.
The Oathkeepers aren't planning to come to this event. If any of them come it's because they're breaking away from the leadership to hear what we have to say.
Are the Rebel Media guys going to be there? They're pretty much the only ones that I have a serious problem with
Mostly just because of how they acted in DC
Navy Cuck has been tweeting people to skip Charlottesville. He's clearly afraid his own may attend. Let's make sure all are welcome. It's how we'll grow as the alt-light comes apart
There are certain people like Allsup, Baked, Augustus who are formerly alt-lite but can't really be characterized by that any longer. They are fine and I now consider many of them trusted friends. But Loomer, Posobiec, Cernovich, many Oathkeeper leaders, Wintrich and so on need to be metaphorically gassed away from our circles. We extended the olive branch. They lashed out in every possible way. It's time to shame every single one of them. @MadDimension
Anyone ever thought about not worrying about what the E-Celebs do? No need to worry about whos doing what. Wasted energy waiting for someone to come out of the closet.
@Matthias Getting into a protracted fight with them right now will turn a lot of people off. I think we should be the bigger men for the time being. When we say to the general public that we can Unite the Right we shouldn't be bickering and undercutting our argument
If we take the high ground and they attack us it makes them seem petty and jealous because they weren't included in the United Right. Let them fall into that trap
At some level this movement should not turn into just a giant flame war, yes. But this is about taking power and leading people into our movement. Their criticism of this event that it's just a way for figures to fall in with the alt-right is largely correct, frankly. That's what they're afraid of. And everyone in this movement knows that bullying works. That's why we shame them for cucking. We expose them as fundamentally lacking to the normies. @MadDimension
We're going to have an opportunity to define ourselves to a lot of people who've never heard us unfiltered by the media. We want to show strength and leadership. I believe that is what will separate us. If we seem petty we will not be seen as capable to lead.
We should focus on winning over people who don't know much about us (whom there are many of) rather than solidifying the hatred of fellow-travelers who aren't yet as red-pilled as we are
I'm sorry Jason but this is total war. Countering their insane and frankly illegal accusations and responding to literal physical attacks on our guys is not petty. We have to shed the fat and totally distinguish ourselves.
I think there's a bit of a distiction between calling out hacks and shills like Posobeic, Wintrich, and the rest, and fundamentally rejecting the people that make up the alt lite as a whole
Cernovich and Posobiec wouldn't be welcomed at this event if they tried to come. They're incapatible. If Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, 3%ers, or Confederate Heritage members want to come and protect the speakers and attendees in good faith then we won't reject them
We especially want to protect the Confederate heritage people
Any Oath Keeper or Proud Boy who attends wouldn't be sanctioned by their group. and wouldn't come in with the same agenda
@The Soy Goy is correct though I am skeptical of the Oathkeepers. Nevertheless it's public. Again, I'm referring to shaming the alt-lite figureheads. Maybe that was misunderstood on my mistake.
@everyone Would anyone like to volunteer to burn a Pride flag at the event?
Doesn't seem like a good idea. Media's already on our ass. Don't wanna give them any more ammo to use.
Not a good idea
What did the Furher say about being demonized by the Judenpresse? Ain't that a good thing?
It's supposed to be constitutionally protected speech but if they fine you for it I'll pay the fine
There are two camps of thought: the escalators and the steady movers
I'd be down to burn one
I'll burn one but not sure if giving the media ammo for this rally is a good idea
What Wintrich and Cernovich and the others accused Spencer of is good enough reason to behead them. It shows they are out of ammo and this was their last attempt to dethrone us. They must be dragged to the death while they are faltering.
And honestly (((SHOCK))) actually does garner the imagination best
Tbh after the recent hate spree of Youtube comments on those pride videos, I'll bet normies would love it if we burned a pride flag
Most people are not down with fellating the gay community, no pun intended
(ok sorta intended)
@MadDimension whoa are we Identitarians or social conservatives? Burning pride flag seems dangerously off message
If our identitarian message does not combat degeneracy what is it worth?
I'll burn a LGBT flag. I'll burn them all.
I understand combatting degeneracy, but this is going a little too far, especially for a rally like this.
True. But still; I would be up to it if the opportunity presented itself. Fuck homonormativity.
We already burn books. It's whatever.
451 but burning flags.
The Pride flag is no longer about gays. It has become a de-facto Multiculturalism flag
The Cultural Marxists are using the Pride flag to taunt us about multiculturalism
Burn that shit! 🔥 🏳️🌈🔥
I think it'd be wise to ask Nathan first. Seems smart. You don't wanna just break out the flag and torch it right there.
If we don't burn it, we need to claim it as the official flag of Racial Separation
Poopdick and the homo agenda are not as popular and they'd like you to believe. I think edgy normies could get behind us burning it.
And not edgy normies will secretly love us for it, deep in their hearts
As based Osama said, we present ourselves as the strong horse capable of fighting back
That flag is everywhere: YouTube, Google, churches, coffeehouses, comic book stores
It really is the flag of zog poz
It's become sacrosanct. That's a problem
Gays are a small minority. Burn a communist or anarchist flag.
It's not about gays. I don't care about gays. That damn flag has become the de-facto symbol for Cultural Marxism.
So has the communist or anarchist flag.
It would get a real reaction. No one would give a damn about burning a commie flag.
Lol what is the "communist flag"?
The hammer and sickle
The Pride flag is the symbol of the UN, of Zog, of Silicon Valley, of the Democrat Party, of our ethnic and cultural replacement
Burn the fag flag
So the USSR flag
I don't remember commie pride being pushed by major corporations
Yeah I'm assuming that's what she meant
"Faggotry amounts to sexually transmitted Judaism."
BURN THE FUCKING QURAN
Fags aren't who the alt-right attacks. And people aren't going to see the nuance in us burning a fag flag.
Like I said, I don't care about gays. I think we should make a distinction that the Pride flag is about white genocide
gotta burn portraits of all the shitty leaders, from marx to obama
our own lil holocaust
Gays are inherently about white genocide. They are a genetic deadend.
They can't be allowed to keep using that flag without being criticized
should burn it in the days before so can trigger more people to show up
They have a propaganda tool in that Pride flag that has become as sacrosanct as the Jews
Burning the flag without comment is worrisome. Making a speech explaining the nuance of the act first would be useful.
*could be worrisome
I'm not worried personally
I think burning the flag is only useful if we can distinguish that it is a multiculturalism flag at this point
@MadDimension it's not about what you and all of us see. It's about how the rest of the world will perceive it. People will exclude whatever speech you make before burning the flag, and it'll just be "NAZIS WANT TO GENOCIDE FAGS". It's a retarded idea.
make a lampshade out of the flag <:pepe:321791202578006017>
And normies worth a damn will say "hell yes I'm sick of this fag shit. Looks like these people are trying to stop it."
Why not burn them all at the same time?
Would be a great photo
should cut the flag into pieces and keep the colors separated
@Erika have you read Mein Kampf? There's a chapter in it about propaganda, and Kessler has the right idea.
@Erika There will be so much going on at this event the media headline will not be about gays. The only PR issue we have to worry about is the avoiding the Nazi and Klan imagery. Other than that I'd say it's at least open for debate
If it's reported at all it will be as part of a general anti-multiculturalism vibe to the rally
Burning the Pride flag would strike right at the heart of the liberal safe space
@卐 Heimdulf - VA 卐 I've read Mein Kampf multiple times. No normies will be sympathetic to what we're trying to do if we're burning a pride flag. Normies have literally no clue of the connection between fag shit and Marxism. Most normies aren't event aware of Marxism.
@MadDimension the media headline will absolutely be about gays if you start burning pride flags. Ignore faggot shit. The headlines coming out of this event shouldn't have anything to do with us being against gays, and that's what a pride flag burning will turn it into.
@Erika a They're already going to say we're racist, KKK, Nazis. Do you really think 'homophobic' will trump all that other stuff?
Gay pride is shoved in normies faves constantly. We're not the only ones sick of it.
I'm really sick of that fucking flag. I can't go one day without seeing it
Why give them ammunition when it won't be a net benefit to us? There's no clear message to burning a pride flag other than "Nazis want to kill gays." I'm especially not okay with it after the progress myself and my Florida IE crew just made in Florida
The answer to this can be encapsulated by one question: do we want to appear more pro-white or anti-Marxist?
Both go hand in hand
They already think we want to kill blacks and jews lol
Not to normies, though.
@Erika Don't you agree that that flag is no longer about gay marriage? That it's become a symbol of Cultural Marxism, mass immigration and white genocide?
Normies already don't believe the sensationalist bullshit the media writes about us.
Normie conservatives hate all the pro-sodomite stuff forced down their throat, this will appeal to them, not scare them off
To us, yes. @MadDimension. To the society at large, no. It still means strictly gay shit to most people.
How did mostly everyone here get redpilled in the first place?
By doing your own research
I used to look down to what most of the NSM groups do, then you do your own digging. Theres only so much we can do to appeal to them. Its up to them to do the learning
Even most right wing christians believe in the "love everyone" bullshit. They probably won't understand the message we're trying to convey
My impression is that normies are sick of having that flag pushed on them everywhere. I don't think the Eternal Normie will go into convulsions about the flag being defiled. People are sick of that flag being treated like a God
Seriously. The gay issue is not important to me. What is important is seeing that flag turned into an international megacorp, globalist, zog propaganda tool
If you see that Pride flag hung up in your work place I guarantee you it means the employers discriminate against white men in the hiring process
Or we can take it for our selves
The Eternal Normie also hates anything that can be construed as "judgmental" because it reflects their own degeneracy back on them. If we do it, we should be sure that we have the right optics around it because if we don't have the political capital for it, it will back fire.
We'll never be able to reappropriate that flag. No way I'm flying it personally
Jason is exactly right. It's not the flag of gays it's the flag of international leftism. Even normies know this.
Just leave fag shit out of the rally. We can convey our message in a more appropriate way that we not completely backfire on us.
Normies do know the true intent of the flag is not just about gays. They arent that stupid
Normies are stupid. That's why they're normies.
Moonman said to ignore the fags, so I will
The fag question will have to be answered someday; but this LGBT+ normalization, and or multiculturalism being linked to said flag; along with all the corporations etc... using this flag as branding needs to stop, and if we have to burn a few flags, I'm all for it.
F A G G E N O I C I D E N O W .
"Impeach a nigger, expose the jew Deport the spics and the muslims too Teach the traitors, ignore the fags Save our lands from jewish grasps"
I think the greatest strength of the Right wing is that we convey truths and secret emotions that people suppress because of social stigma. I think the heartland of America is sick and tired of that fucking flag
Burning a symbol that normie conservatives hate isn't bad optics. It's actually really good optics.
I say we burn Israeli flags instead who's with me
Burning the Pride flag will piss the hell out of the media but it will signal strength to normie conservatives that we're not afraid to tear down the idolatry of the Left
The right wing normie population at large absolutely doesn't tie fags to leftism at large. One of the last realizations I came to when getting red pilled is the ties between gays and Marxism and that homosexuality is completely toxic to the west an our people. Most people don't tie all of this together. They'll just see it as Nazis attacking gays.
@MadDimension normie conservatives wouldn't be normie conservatives if they had the balls to tear down the idolatry of the left.
@Erika It's not about gays! The Pride flag has become an international symbol for multiculturalism. We all know this
WE know this.
But the normies don't know that that's her point
Normie conservatives WANT somebody to have the balls to attack leftist idolatry. That's where we come in burning fag flags.
THE MEDIA WILL MAKE IT ABOUT GAYS. Do you really not get the point I'm trying to make here? Step out of your box and try to think from a normie perspective
Exactly. Normie Conservatives should be looking to us for leadership on these culture war issues they don't have the guts to fight
@SchoolShooterRecruiter again, it's about Leftist idolatry to us. It's not to them.
Normie conservatives should but I doubt they will
Normie conservatives are basically fags too
Not yet. They don't even know who we are yet