If only the world would listen to <@&600465023772524565>

@Solar your posting is irrelevant so fuck off

^^ ty apple ❤️

full homo

@CDRCC hey I really liked your book bro

nice shoop

Commercial sales don't even make near 1% of the cost for R%D

@CTL joer mother is irrelevant

No shit, at the moment

Anyway digital will become cheaper due to military spending

you don't ge tthe point

and it already has

what happens

lmao bruh

when commerical sales

Even with more people buying in

sionyx aurora is $800 USD?

make up 10% of the cost?

It won't mean anything compared to government contracts

what about 30%?

military demand scales

there's a lot of people out there with fat wallets and peanut brains

That can only happen if you literally have everyone in the country buying NODs at once

Which is impossible

Wait are you actually insinuating that a growing nods market will somehow literally ever compare to the government contracts for nods?

@Snowback it's $400 for the Sport

Holy fuck

Aurora only adds GPS functionality

If pvs 31s are cheaper, the mil is going to buy way more than the civ market

for example

I was hardly reading this, and that's what you're trying to get at?

@CDRCC so why not get sightmark ghosthunters? They're only $200

That is profoundly retarded

@Smart Car Driveby He's trying to defend poorfags

I'm saying that it won't ever be larger than the gov market, but that a larger civ market will get more attention

Stop being poor

No it won't

I mean

Cause civilian market will just go with whatever is available

Like I said earlier

It's the same as helmets tbh, civilian demand went up but prices never went down because 4 big companies control the market

wait are we still arguing that aurora purchases will somehow impact the quantity of PVS-31s

@CDRCC and I've seen bushnell nightvision scopes at Cabelas for $100

HHV, CPP doesn't decrease the cost of opscores

@PunishedSpurdo the idea being that Aurora's are a gateway drug into real NV

No they aren't

they shouldn't tbh

They are not lmao

>opinion

PVS-7s are a gateway drug

okay but the AR500 helmet is going to bring down the fast sf price down

Cause you wanna know what poorfags will really do?

auroras turn people in ar500 steel jussasgood gang

Militia gang gang

They'll just stay with them shits

Here, I got your gateway opscore
https://www.inkwellhelmets.com/products/woodland-camouflage

ATN is more of a gateway NVG than the aurora

gateway ops core is a Revision Viper

They won't bother to progress, they'll just stagnate at sightmark ghosthunter dual tubes

^

jesus christ

or a Gentex TBH

Idk why you are still reeing though

>revision is a gateway to opscore

Neither of those drop the prices of opscores

you fuckers aren't gonna edit that doc and I sure as hell won't either

I mean honestly, buying that gutter trash clearance priced sightmark ghosthunter and fucking around with it did help me decide if I wanted nightvision badly enough to drop $$

We won't because we'll just make a better one when we feel like it

>which will be thoroughly elitist and drive away anyone who reads it, not that that isn't hilarious

@CDRCC your whole point is that demand of cheaper digital night vision will drop prices but digital night vision atm is irrelevant to actual use so it will not drop the demand of analog image intesifiers.
Maybe in 10 years when digital performance is relevant but currently, saving up is the smarter choice which you should drive people do instead of coddling them

would contribute and call people poorfags due to the amount of stupid questions i get tbh

>spending money on helmet bad

@CDRCC you're such a retarded nigger

broke boi

You hate us because we bring about the truth

>gen3 bad

which is
1. Fuck poor people
and
2. Fuck Aurora

>spending money on special threat bad

this is the most elaborate poorfagging I have ever seen

@CTL thanks for being the only person who's actually discussing lol

pp

So here's my idea

1. Aurora can lead people into buying real NVG, which will expand that market

the guide would basically recommend saving 1000 bucks and where to hunt for a deal on some photonis gen 2+ or a cheap blemmed gen 3

2. Success of aurora means further advances in digital NVG, which will also be pretty neat

the gateway drug to NODs is letting someone wear your pvs14s
and calling them a faggot for trying to go with anything less

@CDRCC everyones actually discussing, you're just being a retarded bitch

I agree borther

The success of the aurora won't advance digital NVGs

Military contracts and R&D research is doing that

Digital NVG has existed for a long time. its still not good

>who the fuck in the military is buying digital NVG

The army

nobody who buys an 800 dollar something is going to go out running to buy a 2000 dollar something when they clearly do not care that there are well documented flaws with their 800 dollar toy

Have you seen helicopter optics?

they're buying thermals, or gen3 NVG

If a poorfag cant save up $2-3k for some gen 3 pvs14's then they dont deserve to be saved from their own retardation

or heard of IVAS?

those are thermals lul

Apache optics are FLIR

bruh the military is going to push digital nvg way more than civvies

@CDRCC The research and development of digital nvgs has already been fixed through an essentially endless budget from the Army, I doubt 1000+ sales on things they have to actually sell is meaningful compared to the billions the army is dropping on prototypes

They still have digital NODs for their camera for near dusk time

its vastly more useful to them to be able to see in color in the dark you fucking retard

yeah digital nightvision for aircraft will be big I think

Civilian adoption of 6.8 GPMGs will force the hand of the <@&559943292029239296> to adopt an m4 replacement

@CTL IIRC that's for high-end bulky systems, and no one here has an apache to stick a new DNVG on

if you think any defense companies care about being competitive on the civi market youre straight up brain dead/

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@zxSkeletorxz btw can't remember if I asked but how did my photonis tube hold up compared to gen 3 tubes in similar weather to what we went out in? I'm trying to get a feel for how gimped gen 2+ is in no starlight conditions

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Personal wearable digital NVG's are a pretty much private market thing

duh

especially in terms of 'actually available to non mil'

@CDRCC nah, the IVAS program is a fixed billion dollar program that uses digital nvgs

after using my friends anvis 9 tube its pretty gimped

I'm going to crip walk on your poor ass

the military has better options available right now moron

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/10/09/taking-infantry-to-the-next-level-this-task-force-is-working-to-make-it-happen/

@CDRCC

<:woah:559943879298777098> 📈 👊🏿 👱🏿‍♂️

his l3 anvis tube has like zero noise in pure darkness

Digital NODs ontop of a HUD and thermals

yeh. Plate wasn't even visible to me without using the illuminator

Literally what the army is going for

@CTL lemme look at that real quick

yeah, and using a similar WP tube we had I couldnt see him but he could see me kinda deal

We've been saying IVAS for the whole conversation

Are you fucking retarded?

It's basically a program for a google glass type headset for HUD/augmented reality, with integrated day/night optics @CDRCC

First article I saw on it only mentioned digital thermal? Is NVG in as well, just not mentioned?

damn, is the l3 anvis tube really that powerful?

Currently it's just a big VR headset for training, and yes

we're on stp 1

I mean, that's a fair point I guess. The price point for a headset with those kinds of capabilities would be 20k+ though, and absolutely not available for civ market for next 10-20 years

me on the left

how my nods finna be lookin in 2025

its pretty powerful yeah.

Yeah, that's my point, is that digital development is already at a fixed rate due to mil spending and demand

Yeah and any company worth anything won't waste their time with the civilian market until the military is good to go, which will take 10-20 years

So people buying 100k worth of auroras means nothing to the billions that they're getting from the army

Well, the Aurora isn't looking for that kind of market - it's one of the first "viable" DNVG's oriented to the civ market IMO

Its not viable at all

and 100K is a rather low estimate IMO, that's 200 units only

@CDRCC are you just a sionyx shill

not really, 100k is like 100 units + the cost of delivering the product

you'd probably get better reception and development from directly funding a aliexpress dealer than buying the auroras and waiting for R&D from them

doesnt the aurora have a 4 second delay lmao

is it really that bad

it's like 1~

a little less

epic

Thats still shit for ground use

I need DNVG with G-sync

Turn V-sync on too

sionyx isn't even really marketing the aurora as being a nod, which is a smart move on their part

I'm basically positing that there is nothing bad that would come out of introducing poors to a cheaper option for NVG, since I'm optimistic about both DNVG and future growth in terms of number of people getting in to NVG

Bruh lemme get that ray tracing

its a nightvision camera. They're competing in the same market as gopro for outdoor action cams, they're not trying to compete with niggas making pvs14s

Idk about you but moon goon squadding is pretty fun

The price won't go down until digital becomes more viable which is decades away

It's a low light action camera

Not night vision at all

aye bruh hold up my aurora is tryna catch up

@CDRCC yeah have fun moon gooning with your bud who needs 500 mw of IR light to see

And tbh, the Aurora just offers me 1. more squaddies even if they're not as gucci and 2. even more appealing targets to call people poors

You can still do shit at night without NODs

I mean that's a bad optimism because, like I said, the real development is done by the military programs and the rest will trickle down like it always does. The current DNVGs are using the same sensors from thing like Sony action cams @CDRCC

I wouldn't let anyone I called a squaddie buy such a useless POS

The only thing stopping you is you

I mean, you can fuck around with flashlights i guess, but then there's not much point in NODs

the only thing stopping you from being straight is you

Aurora is basically a high ISO camera

you really do need to pay to play man. $1000 is basically the buy in even just for poorfag squaddie shit

even so, Sony does it better 😏

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1W-bPyYR0k&t=113s

For the poorfag in your life with a PSA AR and a bump helmet, it's a pretty nice option

If a poorfag comes to you and asks if he should buy a Taurus, you say no, save up and get something good
If a poorfag comes to you and asks if he should buy AR500, you say no, save up and get something good
If a poorfag comes to you and asks if he should buy condor, you say no, save up and get something good

aurora is real life lag

exactly

But when it comes to nods? Fuck no bro buy that taurus, it's better than nothing!

@CDRCC my whole point is that DNVGs atm is obviously not very good, flashlights have more utility, and you telling them to buy a currently mediocre product is not smart advice

A7S is cool, it'd be cooler if the Aurora took off and then further development led to a wearable with the capabilities of the A7S

Nah bro get that ar500 and condor it'll stop a bullet

Don't worry bro you buying dogshit will make good shit cheaper yeah yeah

under low ambient light, eyes are better 🤷🏿‍♀️

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@JimmyBobs post gear and ass with timestamp

@JimmyBobs hi good timing

welcome to the shitstorm

Oh god

Even in a gibbous moonphase make eye is better

@CTL that's a fair opinion I guess, I differ and think the Aurora is not very good but useable, and better than nothing when you're in the dark with no non-IR light

Imagine being a poorfag

plus you can do some cool edge shit like out-of-band lasers

this is how you look using your aurora

whats better, spending 700 dollars on real life lag? or 700 dollars of carrots

I love it when I have enough moonlight to leave my NODs in a bag

going blowfish mode would be better

I can't exaggerate enough that it was literally just static when I used it with moonlight only

🥕

I couldn't make out a tree ten feet from me

With a waxing gibbous

In rural Georgia

Sure the Aurora isn't anywhere near the capabilities of a PVS-14, and it's bad in very low light. I specifically pointed those limitations out in the guide

Here's my guide in which I'll point out your specific limitations:
1. You're a dumb nigger
2. Shut the fuck up

whats better, spending 700 dollars on real life lag or saving 700 dollars and taking out a 500 dollar short term loan so you can buy something entry level that will hold its value and you won't throw in the garbage after a year

Still lets you opr8 without a fleshlight at night though, and if you don't have a 1k+ budget it's what I'd recommend

aurora is like playing life with frames locked at 30fps

yeah you can only use them in 90% illum when you can already see at night but they still be hittin different

Naked eye is definitely not as cool but 🤷🏿‍♀️ but yeah those limitations kind of kill it because anytime you'd use it, your eyes would be better

you're basically a console gamer irl

😂

more like 15 fps

laggin ass mf

I play tarkov at 24-30FPS because I haven't upgraded my computer in 5 years...

feels bad

😏

sorry to flex but my sightmark ghosthunter sees in infinity fps

first problem is playing tarkov

true

Like yeah I can't see IR lasers but lmao I can just see without any hassle of wearing nods

I mean, I've had it go both ways

i introduced all my friends to NVGs

wow CDRCC blocked me

>playing tarkov in 30fps
Thank you for being a loot pinata

some had enough money to get MUM-14's and PVS-14's right off the bat

If you need to make sure your IR works just look into the beam real quick

@Snowback He is a weak individual who denies the existence of Allah

he can't handle the truth

There's a couple working min wage that just can't swing that money

>min wage

Then they shouldn't have hobbies

Is this the part where everyone says “CDRCC SHUT THE FUCK UP?”

Then they shouldn't be buying NODs at all

if you play tark at 30 fps TYFYS

they probably shouldn't be buying nvgs 🤷🏿‍♀️

I’ve never made min wage in my life fucking lmao

ty 4 the loot

If you can't do any better than minimum wage you don't deserve to have hobbies

They should be focusing on making more than minimum wage

you can still get nvgs working min wage

just save, nigga

I mean, they waste money on dumb shit anyways and $400 for a Aurora is a lot more workable than 1400 for a PVS