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@Campbell4732 I stand by my statement in receiving
Any clarification on the definition of “extremism?”
Yeah, seems pretty vague considering being explicity pro-white is "extremist" in current year...
Nah, just buy merch.
Kind of vague language like that is easy to abuse.
I'm pretty sure it's just referring to fascism, natsoc, ect.
Literally doing nothing (Convington Catholic...) while white is "extremist" these days.
Is this in response to people wanting to act after the IE Twitter got removed? I've seen some posts of people saying we need to do more now
Is Nazbol extremist
Would be better to clarify
I thought about putting examples in, but the optics of even writing such things in the rules would be pretty awful. If you're not a sperg you have nothing to fear.
Aw shit, I’m a sperg. Looks like I’m gonna get purged.
Nothing in enforcement is changing. Only the wording of the rule to better align with what we already enforce.
Listening to Fash the Nation while reading this... <:nervous:359009898115104770>
Obviously we're not going to ban people for wanting to do IE activism. If you think our definition of extremism is the same as the media's, stand up, go to the sink, and splash some cold water in your face.
At least Server Admin has a sense of humor. Real person confirmed.
We’re not ruled by a malevolent, self-aware AI?
Extremism is basically rhetoric that doesn't rise to rule 1 tier but is still bad and not in accordance with the values we clearly and obviously promote publicly. We can't have people seeing our public persona, joining, and then seeing a totally different face behind closed doors.
Worst case, it does a good job covering it up.
Taking over the world for the glory of the robots one pro-white group at a time.
AI already has citizenship in Saudi Arabia...he has somewhere to go if we find him out.
As the guidebook says, we must be radical, but not extremists. There is a difference.
It's like all the "this is the end of his campaign" moments during 2016. People will read this, get scared, freak out for a minute, and then realize everything is fine and go back to being amazing Identitarian activists.
"hair on fire" moments are awesome though!
That's pretty much it
Eh, beware our organization isn’t neutered by optics.
Not that I think it has been, but the strength of our movement is in freedom of expression.
Extremism? Not even well defined. Identitarianism is extremism to most.
We all know the banned memes guys..
By extreme I'm talking about actual racial hatred, violent political regimes, genocide etc.
Wasn't that already the rule?
"Love of your people =/= hatred of others."
It's pretty simple.
@Josh M. -OH Again, if you really believe we are going to ban people for being Identitarian, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to write examples of extremism in the rules because I don't even want those things permanently associated with us in that way.
If you want to see what not to talk about look at Anglin’s Gab for 5 mins and thatl give you a good idea. Made a Gab yesterday and its preeeety gay.
Yeah, pretty much that.
Why do Slavs always show up in receiving in groups?
Of course people will ask for clarification out of concern when things that sound lefty speak become rules here.
There's always like 5 at a time
The point of this rule is to bring the rules into consistency with how we already moderate. Little to nothing changes in actuality. The rule is there to remind people of who we are as an organization, and bring consistency to our already-employed moderation practices.
Ya know IE on Gab gets more likes for putting up stickers than Anglin does for an angry effortpost almost everytime. He averages 30-40 and we can get anywhere from 30-60.
I worry that different mods/leaders may have different opinions...
"Don't be an edgelord".- Patrick Casey, probably.
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN The mods all answer to me. If you feel you're unfairly moderated, appeal to me. If you feel I'm unfair, appeal to Matt.
Yes, the rules have a certain degree of subjectivity because I'm definitely not going to write an entire body of law detailing every little thing people can and cannot do. People know what IE stands for and what's expected of them. The rules are guidelines. That should be enough for people to behave themselves 95% of the time.
And it is.
"People know what IE stands for & what's expected of them" That's all that needs said.
If anybody actually doubts IE's commitment to being explicitly pro-white, go watch literally any Patrick Casey rally speech ever. He pulls no punches, but does it without sounding like an unrelatable, deranged lunatic. Do that.
Big, if happening. What say you?
A supposed draft of the statement: "The massive amount of aliens who unlawfully enter the United States each day is a direct threat to the safety and security of our nation and constitutes a national emergency," a draft of a presidential proclamation reads.
"Now, therefore, I, Donald J. Trump, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C 1601, et seq.), hereby declare that a national emergency exists at the southern border of the United States," the draft adds.
*b a s e d*
Oh man, I can't get my hopes up for a rumor but....I can't help but be hopeful.
I'm sure it's being drafted. What we want now is to hear it will actually be used.
Wonder where they got the draft from and Trump has been saying this for a while now.
Bnl is an aggregator account, right?
"His signature wall" no "fencing" or steel slats but a bug, beautiful wall concrete cast wall?
Something I didn't get was that, in the past, he said he was going with a steel barrier because the border agents wanted to be able to see to the other side. But during this shutdown, he said he's going steel because the democrats want it.
Disclaimer: I'm not intentionally spreading fakenews if this is nonsense.
I mean, the Border Patrol being able to see the other side does make sense. As long as you can't fit drugs between the slats/bollards/whatever.
And can't cut them in half with a freaking hacksaw...
To me barrier is fine either way. More interesting is whether or not Trumo will actually declare emergency and do it or is this an escalation(bluff) to get dems to agree to a deal.
@Johnny B. Populus it may be one of those things where they float it, get the left to unload, and then deny the veracity of it only to actually do it 7 to 10 days later.
Trump did that with the shutdown. If anyone can recall as far back as Dec 2018 you may remember when it seemed the Drumpf was done and had given up on challenging the budget. Pelosi was partying the night before he sprung the shutdown.
Once the wall is up, it would be very hard to get together the political will to tear it down. That's why they're so hard against it. They know the only chance to not have a wall is to prevent one being built. Which is why this fight is so important.
I wanted to piggyback on ServerAdmin's last point about Patrick's speeches. Patrick's Twitter is a really good source for IE's stance on 101 issues as they filter through the news cycle.
Seems like Trump derangement syndrome to me. Dem Congress trying to stand up to Trump. These people already agreed to over 350 miles of barrier and they're fighting 200 something more? Doesn't make sense to be against it.
As a new member for what it's worth I really appreciate that IE doesn't promote or allow actual extremism. Some of us don't want to be associated with the crazies. (and I don't mean rational identitarians)
I get that the left calls everybody crazy but there's still people who are objectively crazy like that Indian guy
His sort of activism sucks
Pretty cool thing happened today. Professor talked about demographic shift and white minority and fully acknowledge while it may be a good thing for some people others will not be happy about it and that it’s a very valid feeling that can be rationally argued against
I'm getting more and more nervous as this government shutdown drags on
I'm worried that Trump might tank his approval rating
moderates who don't really care about the wall are going to see this as Trump shutting down the government for no good reason
@Kingfish I'm hoping I can bring up demographic shift in my American Gov class, today was the first real day of class but I can already tell the teacher is shitlibby, trying to throw shade at johnald doorknob whenever she can
Never outright though so I couldn't push back as much as I wanted to
The wall was a huge campaign promise. You could argue people voted for the wall when they elected him. At this point this issue is too big for Trump to back down from. If he caves it will be for nothing and embolden Congress to do it on every issue.
If he caves he's over, this shutdown is basically his last stand, cucks and he's over, doesn't budge he may get reelected
My world history professor is based she talked about how ancient romans started hating Jews because of their affinity for usury
And she wanted to make it very clear that blacks enslaved each other before any colonization
Regarding the extremism rule, I'm glad we're making that commitment. One thing I've been thinking about is how White advocates should really embrace democracy- a democracy centered around the "demos", or ethnically-defined people. Plus, democracy is essentially an inevitability these days. Our race is too educated and intelligent to be allowed little to no say, as in other systems of government. Maybe other systems made sense in the past, when this wasn't the case and so many were illiterate.
The Romans expelled them for their Jewry. These are facts.
All the dumbass 2.0 GPA in highschool kids kept acting like great thinkers by saying "the elite have all the power" and nothing else, some of these kids couldn't define a monarchy
@Danimal876 Maybe instead of Democracy we back the traditional Republicanism of our forefathers. Democracy= Mobs.
@fgtveassassinif only they learned the elites was code was for Jews.
I think democracy should be replaced with something, but I'm not sure with what
I wanted to sperg so bad
Our forefathers and the ancient Greeks both warned against "democracy" after it failed.
Monarchy and parliament.
Consul & Senate.
we definitely can't "go back" to a previous time in history, or else we'll end up in the same place
Actual picture of me in American Gov whenever someone said elites
Really need a new system instead of rehashed old ones. Propertarianism is a step in the right direction.
@Ian Where we are now, I'd have to argue that there is a lot more tied into the word "democracy" than mobs. It's also a much more emotionally salient word as it references the people. Republicanism is a word only used a fraction of the time as much as democracy, and sounds too vested in one American political party. The idea of someone representing your interests doesn't pull at the heartstrings the way that government deriving its legitimacy from "the people" does.
@Danimal876 In terms of optics yes but in terms of actual substance Democracy will overwhelm us. It's purely a numbers game.
The system as it is now is thoroughly anti-democratic. It's against the people themselves. We are the ones fighting for a more perfect union, for justice, domestic tranquility, and for ourselves and our posterity
How is democracy in itself not the people against themselves
Democracy won't ever protect people from demographic shifts. It's not enough on it's own.
I think it can. Israel defines itself as Jewish and democratic.
Can we also acknowledge that the US isn’t a democracy and never was
Our ancestors just weren't explicit enough about our racial identity.
V.Balboa is in General Voice
I've heard the point that if we have *actual* democracy, we wouldn't be in this situation today
The thing is, try talking to the average person about politics. Would you really want this person making decisions?
But democracy doesn't have to necessarily mean direct referendums on things.
Actual Democracy got us here. The voter roles get larger and larger and accept everybody. We're being voted out of existence
Whenever I hear a leftist talk about "muh democracy" I just chuckle at this point
Representative democracy is what I usually said
Lol people cant even define democracy.
I didn't see a difference between that and "constitutional republic"
The problem here is more with universal franchise I think
In a big way, it had to get bigger @Ian . The average voter gets a small say, but the upper classes have the means and the ability to have a larger say.
Always found it semantic
Yes but it got too big. people who own nothing will vote for anything
Is a democracy anything that's democratic?
If the average person didn't have a say at all, most governments would collapse from revolutions.
And I'm no elitist. I come from poverty.
I have transcended being triggered and have reached peak zen when it comes to leftists haha
The founding fathers knew this would happen. they wrote about it
I just see this big, valuable word that should be ours to shape the definition of.
One that is thoroughly rooted in the American psyche.
I'll just posit into this discussion that controlling public opinion is far more important than any system of governance nowadays.
Rather it's a system of governance on its own
It's always been that way. If you want to keep your head at least.
I cant wait for the National Conference 😃
Although the controllers are having to run at full steam right now to try and stop people like us, and it seems like we keep breaking through because the truth is on our side
Lol California is a meme state.
@Josh M. -OH No kidding. It's legal to knowingly infect somebody with HIV but illegal to serve plastic straws. Homeless have overrun LA in all areas except where the ultra-rich live.
@Josh M. -OH It's against California law (per the AG) to report illegal workers to ICE.
@Josh M. -OH And I don't get minority benefits for being white despite being a minority.
If balkinization ever happens it'll start with California. They're so far out there.
Completely detached from reality and the rest of the country.
@Josh M. -OH There are more Republicans numerically in CA than any other state.
California is 40% white
@Josh M. -OH And to make matters worse it's white republicans who bring them in for cheap wages on their farms
@Josh M. -OH It seems realistic that CA may vote to leave our economic sphere and join Mexico unless the US can assert its power to revoke citizenship without causing a revolt. Right now it seems more likely that Northern Mexico will become an administrative zone under the USA though but who knows what the next 40 years holds.
I don't think the military would give up the bases on california
okay does anyone know how parliamentary elections work?
is it like in the US where if you vote for a third party you spoiled your vote?
how do all these little parties manage to get in?
They form coalitions
ya but like
let's say that hypothetically I'm voting in a parliamentary election
and I want the nationalists to get in
should I vote for the nationalists even if they're small?
Depends on how small
or is it better to vote for the conservatives that have a better chance of winning?
I don't know much about poland
idk if EU parliament elections work the same for each country
you have to reach a certain threshold to get one representative. You could have ten parties at <2% and none of them would get a representative. In some countries it is regional but in others it is national as in the representative represents Anarcho Primitivists from across the country rather than trying to get a single district to overwhelmingly vote AnPrim. I don't know which countries are which way.
(not all facts above are confirmed true facts)
okay that sounds better than hoping my hypothetical district goes full identitarian
God Dam it 😦
I was in there for a while chief
How do you request that your mic get unmuted? 😶
Pls be real
@Karl you can tag anyone with a green name and we'll talk over DMs. It was probably a hotmic during a fireside.
@Karl sure thing. You are unmuted. When going into firesides be aware that your settings on different devices and different servers may carry over to this one in unexpected ways such that you will be on sound-activation when you are normally on push to talk and then everyone hears you singing Italian Opera during Patrick's activism roundup.
that terrifies me so I always triple check the mute button.
Wow, New York legislature is a bunch of savages.
Check out @annievonk’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/annievonk/status/1088605354714386432?s=09
@Freiheit - CA there was an excellent tweet earlier today from a woman who had just given birth. I couldn't find it and this guy says it is because they deleted it. He recounts the relevant details though.
with this law and the Covington kids it feels like they could actually lose a lot of support all at once for the first time since 2016.
That was a great tweet, of course it had to get shut down.
Try to screenie things lol
Guess HuffPo writers will have to learn to code!
They can all just go become engineers for the self driving trucks that replaces truckers. Did I say replace? I meant new career opportunity receivers
I definitely thought Buzzfeed would go the way of Gawker first
I’ll take either tho tbh
Guys it's all in the way you frame things. They weren't *fired* they were *put on a new course*
“Ariana Huffington has christened our ship and set us out to the sea of qualia where we will realize our divine purpose”
Have they learned to code though
Good for them. One door closes, a new one opens
That door being very specifically the coding door
dont worry i hired them in my meme sweatshop, slaving over woodcuts of groypers and assorted trinkets
They can make wigs for the trannies they love
Anyway, just wanted to say hi to everyone. I’m new to IE
Aw dude Charlie Kirk may just be foaming at the mouth over these Venezuelan refugees from muh socialism.
tl;dr me on learn to code meme plx
Journalists should get a real job
“Learn to be an app designer” says the woman with a PhD in Romantic Theater.
There's a pajeet in my marketing class who is living with his whole family back to his grandparents, developed his own app with his brother, and owns a convenient store
I wonder if he realizes he's a living stereotype
if journo == true
print(“learn to code”)
I wish I got into tech/computers more in high school
Sam Anderson is a Sam + Anderson = Sam Anderson
I wish that whites still lived in multi-generational homes honestly. We need to bring that back
my extended family actually does that
That’s a big white pill honestly
It’s all about family imo
my dad had the opportunity to inherit part of the house but he blew it
That’s a shame. Sorry
well I'm glad that there's people who think like I do at least
I think it'd be really cool to live in the same region for multiple generations and be deeply rooted somewhere
My family has been in Kentucky for over 200 years.
My family lived in the same region since at least the 13th century
my family has been in Montana since the Indian Wars
"Mobs have formed since humans made societies. But there is something entirely new about a social media mob, and that is the fact that joining it happens at no cost whatsoever. You don’t have to get out of your house and go somewhere...."
I’m a rootless cosmopolitan, sadly
All my grandparents were born in different states. Same country at least, that has to be rough otherwise.
what does that make me?
I'm kind of rooted somewhere, but at the same time I'm disconnected from the place that I'm rooted
@apronandlace maybe people will see the reaction of the Covington parents and be more likely not to fold in the future. It would make the internet mob quickly ineffective (and would lay-off more journos/commissars)
The right is learning how to stick up for its own
@DixieBoy76 - KY that article FredX posted in cyberstrike is wild. Thanks David Horowitz? Praeger and Horowitz have been going further toward Tucker and away from Levin/Shapiro. I guess they see which way the winds are turning.
Perhaps this is what has emboldened Tucker to go as far as he did with Charlie Kirk at the SAS thing.
People are finally gaining the confidence we have been hoping they’d get for oh so long. They’re coming out of their shell of being afraid of expressing the beliefs they’ve been having. That’s what happened with me 🙋🏻♂️
cause it's never updated
Looks like another Hollywood creep is going down: https://archive.fo/g0Po6
More sexual predation in Hollywierd...how long can it go on?
But I never saysthe Jews control Hollywood, Mr. Weinstein.
@Freiheit - CA the arrogance of the media is just astounding. This is a lot of guessing but I think it could have gone like:
1. schedule the NY abortion vote for January because Dem House and Senate and total control of the media.
2. oops didn't take the Senate
3. oops there is a government shutdown that Dems are losing
4. oops huge overnight loss of confidence in the media for the whole world to see just two days before the vote
5. go ahead and vote anyway
After all that they thought that they could legalize straight up murder. I'm waiting to hear a nuanced view of "well they can't abort 30 minutes before a normal birth" but it seems there isn't really anything stopping the mother from claiming "my mental health is at risk" or "my spiritual health is at risk if I can't complete the sacrifice for Cthulhu."
I’m trying to create some aesthetic posters for the college republicans at my school. Does anyone know how to edit/create photos like this?