they're problematic, yes

they're backed by the CIA

theyre more than problematic

The fact that we can't post pictures of Azov on this server without breaking server rules says a lot

@reactionarytree
SIde with your nation and people.

Once we demonstrate ourselves worthy of leadership, they will follow.

All is not lost.

Russia also supports Cuba, Nicaragua, Bolivia and Venezuela which are mulatto Marxist disasters

who cares?

uhhhh

Why should I support the Zio-Globalist agenda to topple regimes in Cuba and Nicaragua?

Dual Russo American Monarchy when

No Nicaraguan ever called me white trash

Does Cuba have any negative effect on me?

"dissident ukranian group takes weapons from known weapons supplier, more at 11" ffs of course they took money/supplies/weapons from the CIA, one of the gun runningest groups out there

@Sam Southern - TN I gotta use that line

Cuba being Communist has literally no effect on your lives and theyre less than 100 miles from the USA border

@reactionarytree Why should you support the Kremlin agenda to then? They are both globalists, sure the Kremlin is a bit more conservative, but they still ultimately have the same goals as the CIA and NATO

Nicaragua is right next to Honduras, and that region is infamous with narcotics and socialism, and particularly 'liberation theology' which is inherently antiwhite and antiamerican

The fact that the Israeli government, which constantly back stabs America, saw Azov as worthy of support is a massive red flag.

Like I said, the problem isn't that they accepted the money. The problem is that Israel saw them as an ally in the first place.

you should be more concerned about our elites in Wall St and the Military-Industrial Complex

because in the real world, there are only 2 sides here: Russia and USA

this whole conversation is centered around the Ukraine, not our elites here?

@reactionarytree You are all over the place bruh.

I can't follow your argument, I'm unsure to whom you are slinging shade

I dont support either side, I despise our pseudo elites and will never trust the current Russian oligarchs either

@reactionarytree I highly recommend listening to what many prominent Russian political thinkers say about America. It's not just opposition to our foreign policy. It's a deep-rooted, civilizational hostility

I'm aware of what they say - I work for Arktos, we publish Dugin

Anyone in here able to edit a photo for me real quick ?

oh that's cool

@Valaska @Asatru Artist - MD

unironically

lmao

more people in the alt right should read Dugin instead of GLR.

@Valaska depends how difficult the edit is

@reactionarytree I disagree. 4PT is interesting, but the man is crazy

GLR > Dugin

and the people in the alt right are sane?

4PT is worth reading, but he says so much objectively crazy shit

GLR is trash

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Imagine thinking either of those nerds were good

Yockey

how do I post a link without the thumbnail?

<> around the link I think

Dugin is a clown, most people in Russia don't even like him or take him seriously

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how much nuance does this deserve?

Dugin is taken very seriously considering he wrote the geopolitical doctrine of Putin's Russia and is an oligarch targeted by the USA sanctions

if you want a non-rabid critique of US policy from a European perspective, you're better off with someone like Faye

>letting another mans thoughts into your head

@reactionarytree the extent of his influence is disputed

Jacob see dm

Read Foundations of Geopolitics, see that it is read by the Russian military and see the global chessboard unfolding - Dugin is quite influential

<https://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-arming-ukraine-neo-nazis/245742/>

look at that header picture lmao

@Nemets КНОР - the ultimate Russian internet flamewar subject lol

these guys are cringe to the max

from everyone - the subject in general, not the book

how to fix russia

I was joking

@Virgil I remember you mentioning something about the Russian Communist party to me that I wanted you to elaborate more on but forgot to ask. Wikipedia didn't come up with too much.

Ukrainian nationalism should not be supported. It serves to create a larger wedge between the USA and Russia - a country we should have peace with. Russia could be a potential ally against China in the future.

what if we don't have to be friends with either country bc who gives a shit

well thats the future we are on

the world will be dominated by the Chinese

@Kingfish Oh I can tell you about them. They're intersting. Their website has a lot of nationalistic rhetoric if you read it in Russian, but, they play nice around western communists. They actually signed some pro-refugee declaration in English, but if you actually read their website in Russian, they're real views are pretty different.

13% of the population but 53% of shitposting

who really cares if china dominates africa honestly

Ukraine is epic

@Sam Southern - TN we should. Lots of resources to be extracted there

@reactionarytree No, Russia and China are actually pretty close these days, they wouldn't jeopardize that relationship for the sake of allying with their nemesis the USA

bc at the end of the day, USA will not be able to be militarily antagonistic towards Russia and China (a country that holds most US debt)

I'd rather not have China be more powerful whether economically or militarily

@Alex Kolchak - NY I prefer not to take over other regions. I just want to be left alone

Russia and China are currently friends of convenience to counter American hegemony

isolationism is ideal but it has drawbacks that will leave us behind and our competition ahead.

well.. "friends"..

Russia does not want to be dominated by China in the future

From the Ukrainian perspective, Russia is a multi racial empire that wants to dominate their country.

@Nemets I literally created the Slav server so this *doesn't* happen. At least I'm not the one who started it.

@Kingfish I think I might have said something along the lines of the Russian Communist Party being fairly nationalistic and somewhat pro-white.

mods are asleep, re-fight the Russian Civil War!

Everyone who has the intention to Slav post, DM me for the Slav server so we stop shitting up this server

@Sam Southern - TN I think we can both agree we want America to be the strongest and most prosperous nation on the planet. If China surpasses us it can lead to problems down the line. Checking their expansion is important imo.

>3 mods and pat online lol @Alex Kolchak - NY

whoops

@Alex Kolchak - NY 👀

I don't think that the Chinese, bred to be conformist as they are, will surpass us

If USA and Russia do not ally then the world will be dominated by the Chinese. This proposal of US-Russia alliance is the only way Europeans hold on to their destiny at the global level

all they're good at is stealing our tech and copying it

@Nemets I think you can identify my personal hero lol

more for his pre-Civil War exploits. He was a flawed leader during it

>European
>global

unless we're restarting the British Empire, meh

@Sam Southern - TN idk man they're not bound by western ethics or really any other form of restrictions on their expansion

A conformist nation as big as them can be a big threat imo

yeah but they don't have the spark for ingenuity that led us to the heights that we reached

drones bred for a single purpose is not an ideal enemy to have

If we continue on our current path: US empire will continue to decline, Europe will fall into multicult chaos and Russia will be too weak to combat Chinese hegemony on their own.

@Sam Southern - TN agreed

@reactionarytree That's a great point. Even from a self interest perspective it's probably a bad idea to support Ukrainian "nationalists".

with gene editing,who really knows where they can go? that's a fair point for someone tomake

but they can be a thorn in our side if we let them

I'd rather not let them

China is going to eat us for breakfast if they become the dominant power in Africa and increase their presence in South America and elsewhere

I'm for isolationism whenever possible, but you have to consider the alternative

grim outlook but entirely possible

China is going to turn us all gay.

tbh I don't agree.. I really don't think that China will be able to dominate us. they have a decent urban class that rigs their IQ scores, but most of their population is still rural retards.

they will forever be missing the spark that made Europeans what we are.

Best option at this point is for Ukraine to get rid of Poroshenko, have a Russia friendly government installed, and give Azov guys monkey trials

@Sam Southern - TN but consider that the British Empire sent many if its less-desirable citizens to colonize the world, and that worked quite well for them. China does the same thing

well the share of bright Americans is decreasing slowly but surely over time

Guys, is Jonah Hill actually a groyper IRL?

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*ahem* we're effortposting here @Papa Pizzagate

I don't mind having Russia as an ally, but giving Ukraine to them is entirely antithetical to our core ideology and beliefs. Russia is in a similar demographic boat to us and culturally, degeneracy is a real issue there, abortions, drug use and alcoholism are severe issue there that the Kremlin has done very little about.

I wouldn't have a problem with genuine nationalism from Ukraine

Just showed my red pilled friend Red Ice. He loves it!

@Alex Kolchak - NY yes, the British (English) were a superior people to the ones they conquered. I don't see the Chinese as a superior people to the areas that we need to keep (Europe, South Africa, most of South America, Australia, America and Canada. do you?

how? Why should the US empire stretch to Kiev?

Ultimately I'm an American Nationalist and am generally dismissive of third world countries, but I can't trust a country like Russia which in order to one up America supports a trashy communist regime like Venezuela which has wrecked their economy, anointed a literal bus driver president, and starves their own people whilst simultaneously blaming America for all of this instead of themselves, and as my avatar implies I am fairly Machiavellian. Don't trust Putin.

for that to happen, loonies like Azov need to be destroyed

China is a paper tiger.

I'll be inviting him into I.E hopefully soon, after he watches farmlands and some more stuff

But so is America

LMAO we're screwed

@Papa Pizzagate you gotta meet my gf sometime, she studies China and she will scare the daylights out of you

UUUhhh dont you mean paper Dragon 😃

from an isolationist pov, theres no reason for the USA to intervene in Ukraine

there's no reason for us to support russia from an isolationist perspective either

@Alex Kolchak - NY She's that ugly, huh? Okay...

Dunk

just like there was no reason for USA to go into Yugoslavia or Kosovo or Iraq or Libya

OK THATS IT MEET ME IN RUNESCAPE @Papa Pizzagate

or Syria

Azov feeds into the larger narrative of "all nationalists are retarded spergs who throw up romans". We benefit from them failing at all that they do.

America doesn't benefit one way or the other afaik

Without US backing, there is no real Ukrainian nationalist movement and whatever does exist is not strong enough to stop Russia

I want us to withdraw from international politics altogether personally. There's no quicker way to make European nationalism a reality than withdrawing our military protection and support

no but seriously, China benefits from being able to take a 100-year perspective on its future, rather than 4-8 years at a time like we do

or anytime Borzoi talks about China @Papa Pizzagate

but-t-t-t gommunismm is bad XDDD

I dunno about that, Russia is not exactly the most competent country in the world. Furthermore Ukrainian nationalist are heavily entrenched within the general populace.

Why shouldn't we support Russia?

communism is bad, yes.

Why should we support them?

China proves that authoritarianism is good

@Sam Southern - TN We could benefit from trade relations with other countries. From this standpoint, it's in our best interests to have good relations with Russia, and for Ukraine not to be a third world hellhole run by crazies like Azov.

@The Eternal Anglo it's a convo based on russia v the ukraine, not supporting russia in general

>not wanting an autarky

pls @Jacob

Stop paying European bills and the problems fix themselves

@reactionarytree China is more National Socialist than Communist now my dude

China is NatCap rt

Military relations benefit us too unless you're convinced we can take on the entire world.

State-Cap more than general NatCap but still

they're socialist

Globalism is supported largely by our economy

Dengist

@Jacob It isn't Azov running Ukraine into the ground, it's Poroshenko and the Putin flunky Yanukovych before him.

Socialism differs country to country

But they would be 1000 times better if they just dropped Communism entirely.

There are much better Authoritarian government to choose from.

Quick question. What is the normal width and height of a phone camera picture?

Doesn't that depend on the phone

Russia supports Liberation Theology south of the border, and its inherently antiwhite and dehumanizes us as 'evil gringos', and groups who prescribe to it oftentimes engage in narco trafficking to fund their subversive activities while simultaneously snickering at how they're poisoning our country.

ultimately, the state has authority over the economy. they "control the means of production"

@Virgil Azov supported Maidan. They're guilty in this. And Ukraine under Yanukovych was doing a lot better than it is now.

it's Marxism-Leninism-Mao-Zedong-Thought-Deng-Xiaoping-Theory, *guys*

@reactionarytree In reason yes but this government type failed Russia entirely my dude

@Sam Southern - TN I thought maybe the aspect ratio is the same at least

very well could be

We should support Russia and hope they are victorious over the globalists bc they globalists are our enemy

Also Communism IS globalism

The best political ideology is Jacob WA Thought @Alex Kolchak - NY

We should support neither and let them do whatever the hell they want. what happens in the ukraine is irrelevant

inshallah @Jacob

@The Eternal Anglo eternal revolution COMMENCE

The Soviet Union did fail. However, they also accomplished great things. Russia was a peasant country and rose to be a superpower in less than 50 years.

@Jacob Maidan had people from every side of the political spectrum and no, Yanukovych was a disaster like most other Ukrainian political leaders.

Why are we having to explain why Communism is bad in I.E? Unless you're just shit posting <:pepe:359012488920039424>

Explicit support of Russia is unnecessary. Simply withdraw to our pre ww2/ww1 position and it solves itself

Socialism With Identitarian Characteristics @Alex Kolchak - NY

and dont worry, the USA capitalist system will fail and capitalism will be scorned just like communism is

We don't need to get involved. We don't need to support the current European government. We withdraw and the entire house of cards caves on itself

@Virgil Under Yanukovych Ukraine didn't do reckless things like cut trade relations with and sanction their biggest trade partner. And Maidan was pro-EU from the beginning.

Capitalism, or Corperatism my dude? Both are very different @reactionarytree

@reactionarytree wait are you shit posting tho

whatever you want to call this system, it doesnt matter: its going to fail

Corporatism is good if you know the actual definition

the actual name and what it is matters lol

Capitalism is largely what led us to where we are today

"capitalism" as austrian economists imagine it is just an abstraction that is fake and gay.

@Jacob And? The EU is really no worse than the Kremlin that Yanukovych supported.

Corporatism - it depends on whose definition of it

Well yes under the weight of low I.Q third workers, any system will run poorly. However, even if the people are amazing and intelligent, there are government types that will only hinder the people's progress.

If you mean it in its original sense, as described by fascists

Capitalism isn't the problem. It's idiots that will. Do whatever it takes to make a buck and market themselves to whoever will pay them that's an issue. They're essentially well paid whores

@reactionarytree Machiavelli pointed out that the Italians who wanted the Spainards, Swiss, French, or Papal States to crush their rivals ended up being the little poodles of the outside power that they had courted. This all sounds too similar for my liking.

Russia as a Capitalist society is doing a lot better now than it was under Communism. They no longer need to steal blue prints to make decent technology

@Virgil Is it? EU imposes refugee quotas on countries. Russia doesn't. And the standard of living objectively dopped after Maidan.

the Soviet Union put the first man in space, invented the AK47 and the cell phone

they went from a peasant economy to world superpower in 50 years

thats impressive

@reactionarytree by killing all of the rich people

@reactionarytree The USSR stole the entire space shuttle from the U.S, the AK47 was a knock off of the Stuemgewehre mp44

but ebil capitalism

lmao capitalism is definitely the problem

Under capitalism corporations take advantage of state power to maintain and grow capital without having to give back much to their community.

Also, this ideology of constant blind economic growth is exactly what leads to things like H1B visas

Dude 3% of the population had cars in 1960 while the U.S had over 50% of its populace with cars

@reactionarytree What is your alternative to Capitalism?

the future is NAZBOL

Capitalism is fine

@reactionarytree also the USSR has it's populace Starve the entire time, even after they finally got the proper intake of calories

capitalism with restrictions is completely fine ffs

It's quite literally international greed that's an issue

@reactionarytree Bro, you are being ridonkulas

Im pretty sure it's the Jews

time to go J-walking

@reactionarytree It's also worth mentioning that the Soviet Union went from a 51% literacy rate to a 100% literacy rate, life expectancy of like 30 to 70 from the Russian Empire, and drastically reduced infant mortality

wealth is sin😤☦️

@Jacob The Kremlin has had Russia is flooded with central asian migrants and Ukrainian living weren't high at all under Yanukovych. Furthermore, in a time of desperation an apolitical self centered oligarch was elected. Ukrainian nationalists should be running Ukraine, not oligarchs.

I'm taking the crayon eater's word on the quality of the weaponry question

well ok, 30 to 70 is a bit of a stretch

your entire country and way of life is being hollowed out by capitalism and yet you all still feel the need to defend it

*our country

there's a reason all the "woke" takes are coming from corporate HR departments

our entire country and way of life is being hollowed out by *international* capitalism

you're stuck with us lol

@Tyler0317 Someone said it! The Automat Kalashnikov 47 was made only during WWII, and it **SUCKED.** Just like all other USSR knock offs

@Alex Kolchak - NY nah this nibba is russian larping as an american

@reactionarytree no it feel the need to defend capitalism against international greed

@Virgil I know living standards weren't high, but they were better than they are now. And Russia never would have imposed refugee quotas on them.

capitalism is inherently international by its very nature

The best USSR vehicle was made in EAST GERMANY <:pepe:359012488920039424>

no, it doesn't have to be. these are brainlet takes

its premised on perpetual growth

@reactionarytree nah that's Corperatism my dude...

lol

its America

capitalism is a meme and nothing more then

We could just have a mixed economy that doesn't autisticaly veer off too far to either socialism or capitalism

nazbol was made as a freakin meme and you're professing it lmao

whatever you want to call our economic system, its destroying america

@reactionarytree elaborate

no guns, friends

America is capitalist

international capitalist

@Alex Kolchak - NY I don't have the source right in front of me but it's literally not a stretch

there is a difference between enterpreneurship and free enterprise (good) and unrestricted international capitalism...

@reactionarytree Seems like you want a 1 way ticket to Rossiya

So let me get this straight:

We have rules against becoming a Sperg in the General chat, larping for neetsoc-ism...

But Communism posting is fine?

Mods I am concerned. <:pepe:359012488920039424>

@Jacob Nationalists wouldn't have allowed the EU to impose them, look at the Visegrad bloc, a bloc Ukraine would have had extremely close relations with, if actual nationalists were elected to power

"corporatism" aka corporations dominating the economy, is a symptom of capitalism

Lol. Are people saying trade is bad?