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Everything made a lot more sense for me too when I realized that being anti-white was not a symptom, but the root.
@Ald yes but their communities are left alone by the LGBT activists
This is great
no aztec bakers being targeted for gay cakes
In Europe many African migrants are more Christian than the natives
All criticism of the Old Testament for example should be criticism of Judaism
I want them to elect more people like this
I've only seen white Christian businesses attacked.
@Ald they’re not going to black Christian bakeries or black churches
> won't enact any worse policies than Democrats already do
> will freak out conservatives
> is anti-Israel, which is honestly a good thing
Christianity is not a necessary component of White ID and attacks on it are not always for all Whites to worry about
All I'm saying
@VinceChaos also fair. It's really funny watching people recoil in horror over the Handmaid's tale when it's just literal old Jewish law
this is an *elected representative* now
It's definitely a way to attack whites by proxy.
It’s used as a proxy for anti white sentiment. It’s not actually a perfect proxy
"attacks on it are not always for all Whites to worry about" @Ald disagree with this one. What attacks on christianity are not relevant to all whites?
I don't feel any attack on Christianity as such is on me to worry about
She’s the first Muslim woman elected to Congress. We’ve entered unchartered territory. (Note: I subconsciously started typing terrorist)
A jewish person I know hated on "Christianity" all the time. How the crusades made non-white Muslim people violent and it's CHRISTIAN peoples' faults.
And it’s not Middle East Christians being criticized for the Crusades.....
@Ald Are you in IE for only economic issues, or are their any cultural issues you are concerned about?
The cultural vangaurd of the anti-whites have all situated themselves as attacking "Christianity"
I'm in IE for white European interests firstly, and I have deeply traditionalist social views
Think makes you really!
But I'm not Christian and Christianity did not make the white race
The crusades were a response to the Seljuk Turk invasion of the Byzantine Empire, in which the emperor pleaded for aid from the Pope to counter the Muslim aggression in his territory, and later were expanded to include the recapturing of former Byzantine land lost during the Muslim wars of expansion.
Oh yes, I know about that - thank you.
I'm just in IE because I want lower corporate income tax rates
But he's a HISTORY MAJOR in college
In case anyone wasn't aware
and his PROFESSOR told him about the white atrocities.
so it MUST be true
@Ald interesting, so are there any cultural issues being pushed by the anti-white left that you object to? Gay marriage maybe?
And btw I'm only responding to implications that it did or that Christianity is a component of white identity, in this server which is supposed to be relatively free of religious talk. The sense I get is Christians get free reign to say these things while pagans are hushed
Not sure why you're laugh reacting, isn't white identity based on free markets?
The apotheosis of white identity is lowering capital gains taxes
@Ald I asked " interesting, so are there any cultural issues being pushed by the anti-white left that you object to? Gay marriage maybe?" which doesn't have the word "Christian" in it. Trying to understand.
The white race is a proposition race. Anyone who believes in free markets is white.
I am of course against gay marriage and its ilk of pozz. But there are very good reasons even an atheist could give to think so
In fact framing it in Christianity was the left's gambit
To deny that Christianity is a component of white Identity is simply false, no?
There are perfectly rational secular reasons to oppose gay causes
We are not gonna get into a religious debate.
@Ald "In fact framing it in Christianity was the left's gambit" this is the point. The left attacks white social mores in practice by claiming they are attacking Christian social mores.
I'm talking to everyone.
He's talking to this conversation
If I were talking to you, I would tag you.
New topic how does everyone feel about Lemongrass
i hate it
I like it in tea.
Citrus in hot tea at all is gross
New topic how does everyone feel about immigration?
Really, we should make you IE's official copywriter.
I personally love it as long as they come LEGALLY and LOVE AMERICA
Oh, used to see that stuff growing all the time in Florida. I think.
Perfect timing for a new conversation. I’m watching Mad Men for the first time with my roomie. It is one of the most subversive shows I’ve ever seen
Someone has to fight the complacency of the populace to tolerate lemongrass
I like immigration as long as it means more ethnic food restaurants.
Also lemon pepper is the worst thing you can ever put on food
@Jacob Love it, America, Germany, the UK, Sweden and Italy are all immigrant nations. We're all immigrants!
@Hakujin - CA That's a good point. They need to either come legally and love America OR start an ethnic food restaurant.
@Virgil Africa, Asia, South America, all great sources for future PATRIOTS
@Jacob but what if an american were to open an ethnic food restaurant
Don't forget about building mosques in Minneapolis.
also isn't all food ethnic food
Is Sauerkraut not ethnic food
Isn't all ethnic food?
@ophiuchus That's cultural appropriation if an American starts one. The three things I don't tolerate as a conservative are white privilege, cultural appropriation and disrespecting my flag.
@Jacob arguments like this are unironically what disenchanted me with American conservatism a long time ago
I LOVE ARE COunTY (not as much as israel tho)
Ideally we'd have net neutral immigration solely from European countries, mostly the Anglosphere
That was Alt Hype's conclusion at least too
You'd have to put another caveat on that anglosphere one
Vampires are white. Prove me wrong.
lest you get who's living in london over here
He'll ya I don't care what happens to my country as long as everyone has pretty flags and cute smiles
10 moratorium is the normie friendly policy
Except from London.
Tbh, I'd rather have more German, Italian and Slavic immigration than Anglo immigration
American immigration should have remained at least 2/3 English
It would have been much better for national identity and solidarity
Were we to have immigration at all
I agree with Poole. I made this point earlier too
> more Slavic immigration than Anglo immigration
Immigration to this country should only come from Luxembourg
Soon white Anglo immigration will just *be* slavic immigration
Trump says Norway. Norway.
I'm fine with "no one" for a while.
I'm fine with "no one" forever
I'd make an exception for the Afrikaners.
Vampires are all Black, change my mind
I can see the case for German and Scandinavian immigration, and eventually the Irish too, but the sheer volume and diversity of even European immigration undermined a nascent American ethnicity
Prolly shoulda named her daughter Blade
The thing about Afrikaners, is that, inevitably, some will be left behind, and those that are left behind will suffer. People need to stay and fight.
I wouldn’t want any one ethnicity overwhelming the country
Not even the English?
if that ethnicity is Germanic
I was just about to say the English if anyone yeaj
I would support, ideally, the separation of a territory in Southern Africa for people of Afrikaner ethnicity. Baring that, I don't mind settling them here, ideally temporary, until a better solution would present itself.
The US is fundamentally an Anglo-Saxon nation. It would look much different it was was flooded by Poland.
Western Europeans if we had to make a policy decision among us
If your ancestors didn't come over on the Aprilflower you aren't American.
america should be more russian
@Ald Agreed, but I wish that America was founded by Germans and not Anglos. The Britishness of American identity is part of the reason we're in this demographic mess in the first place
Afrikaners are tied to the South African land more than we are to the new world
Well, it was a Kennedy who put a certain bill into place.
@ophiuchus I would support temporary asylum for culturally compatible people who genuinely can't stay and fight. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't complain if, for example, Poland took Ukrainian orpans from the war temporarily.
Hard limit- Europeans. Ideal- Overwhelmingly Anglo with a few from elsewhere
Server Admin about to shut it down
gettin typed on
Don't particularly care what Euro ethnicity immigrants are. Agree wouldn't want us to be flooded by anyone, even Europeans.
quick, now is your chance to say something
To be clear not saying I want to remove any Europeans already here
@sigruna14 oh dude it definitely makes a difference, as someone who grew up around Slavic immigrants
My ideal rate of immigration to this country is so low it wouldn't particularly mater which European ethnicity it was.
My parents immigrated from Poland so I'm an expert on this
slav immigration only
ya I'm gonna have to disagree on that
@Jacob I grew up around Anglos, almost exclusively and frankly, I'd take Slavs over them any day
I would actually oppose English immigration at the moment (despite being easily mostly English myself.) They've got quite the mess to sort out over back in Albion first.
I obviously have a lot of in group preference for my fellow Slavs, but let's be honest, this isn't our country
They can come here after they've resettled their own capital city.
LOL Chris with the sly delete
North America is rightful Norwegian clay. Finders keepers
If I could, I would become leader of Poland and institute emigration restrictions
I’ve loved my times in Poland.
Have a beautiful family with 3 kids I stay with outside of Warsaw
Slavs are good folk, there are a good few Russian immigrants around here
America is an Anglo nation. If we accept any immigrants (we shouldn’t), they should be Anglo.
Poland would be amazing if there was no brain drain
The difficulty in deciding who are suitable immigration candidates really shows how much Americans have diverged from the original anglos.
European stock was destroyed after two world wars.
I want to remigrate to Poland and put out anti-immigration content
European immigration will never be a solution. We need our own babies.
I think the first immigrants were not typical anglos. Nor were the other peoples who followed.
We should pretty much just knock immigration down as much as possible. I'd pretty much only be mostly fine with it if its the (European) spouses of Americans. My point with this is that this country, for a very long time, was heading toward the ethnogenesis of a new European people in North America- Americans. This was severely taken off the rails in the later half of the 19th century and all of the 20th.
Don't agree with zero immigration. Don't mind some immigrants, as long as it's not a lot and they're heavily vetted and compatible with the society. It's interesting meeting foreign people but they shouldn't stay here unless they are like us, at least, like us enough to assimilate and not destroy us in the process (so white people of similar culture).
White American is definitely its own group.
Honestly, I think I could be incredibly useful to this movement largely due to my own status as a child of immigrants. It can be a huge confidence boost to have someone who is a child of immigrants himself tell you that immigration isn't good.
@Alexander Pechorinit is and the US was populated by people with not just a certain nationality but a particular spirit to go along with it.
I have no qualms at all with the European people who are already here- even those as recent as @Jacob despite being descended from people who came here on the Mayflower. Our ultimate destiny lies in our conceptualization of ourselves as a European people in our own right- not merely Europeans with an American zip code.
I rarely bother with these conversations though since it really doesn't matter right now. We're not in a position to put any policies into practice so generally I don't participate in such discussions.
"Immigrants" are just a proxy issue meaning POC
@Josh M. -OH yes. And it selected for certain traits over the long term.
@sigruna14 It's important to figure out what our values are. I think this topic does need to be discussed. That being said, we shouldn't let it get too divisive. But I think it's fine right now.
@Sam Southern - TN We aren't an Anglo nation though. English Americans at best make up 15% of the country and most of them are mixed with several different Euro ethnicities. The largest Euro groups in America aren't English.
English Americans make up far more than 15% of the country. Ethnic data is self-reported, and honestly incredibly misleading.
The Founding stock of the nation is Anglo, what it was perverted into after floods of immigrants is indeed a different group. @Virgil
What language are we speaking again? The root and extant core of American whiteness is Englishness
It's very very common for people who are 1/8 Irish, or 1/8 German, to simply identify as that in totality.
@Ald People who are really far left might not care, but it could be a useful nudge
This is an Anglo nation because it was created and defined by Anglos. Everyone else came later after the framework was already built.
It's considered "more distinctive," more interesting- this is notable as a distinction from something, that being from "British," which is considered uninteresting by virtue of its commonality ubiquity.
American founders were at least a different breed of Anglo. It took a lot to get on that boat. Much of the founding fathers views were against what was considered "anglo" at the time.
They were defending their rights as Englishmen. That's why they rebelled.
If your ancestors were here before 1900 it's going to be pretty difficult for you to not find a single Englishman in your lineage.
Half of American population is still descended from people around during the Revolution
Identifying as "English" is uncommon on a census because it's 1) "not interesting" and 2) many of the English in this country have been here for hundreds of years. It's so distant as to be almost meaningless- for the point of contrasting.
Okay guys listen closely
As a child of immigrants, I give you permission to be as anti-immigration as you want.
Also, I was an anchor baby, and I'm giving you permission to say "anchor baby"
It's like those n-cards that your black friends give you
The unique pull of adventure to the new world and the lack of welfare drew a certain kind of European here!
Keep in mind this is a country of *settlers* not immigrants
Good example, my father is completely gung-ho about Irish stuff despite being only 1/4 Irish.
Settlers build something new. Immigrants just take advantage of stuff other people already made.
My roommate with a mother who has an English accent didn’t consider English to be an ethnicity <:sad:366743316475281408>
It upsets my mom a bit that I identify as Anglo-American and don't snowflake about the recent Swedish component
Yes. I hate the term “Native American.” I’m the Native. My ancestors created America.
Amerindian is the correct term
Englishness is still normative Americanness to the point whites with anything else pick that out
Cause it's special
Amerindian is good
@Alexander Pechorintheres even more to it than that with evidence the people of European descent were the first to put feet on these lands.
If ancestors founding a nation 400 years ago doesn't qualify me as a native nothing does lol
Kinda like how Elizabeth Warren identifies with her 1/1024th Cherokee
This should be enough reason to be cautious of all immigration
@ThisIsChris I make a point to use it as often as possible to remind people of the difference
study that chart closely
Ok so we should only let in the Swiss
@Josh M. -OH True. Some interesting information there. Regardless, existing on a piece of land and acting like a savage in no way means you’re a native of the country other people created
> Polish 26% Republican
Real anti slav hours
They're not sending their best, folks. (except me, I'm the one exception)
(Pls no bully, am not serious)
Amerigo Vespucci and Christopher Columbus were not English. 😏 but they were white Europeans. It was i the divine plan that this continent would be discovered and settled by white Europeans ! This was the promised land
Chris Columbus never even got to North America lol
He hung around the Caribbean
Francis Drake did tho
Leif Erikson did so long before those guys.
Columbus is still a hero. See: https://www.amazon.com/Enemies-Christopher-Columbus-Thomas-Bowden/dp/1889439363
I'm not argueing with that.
Leif Erikson was Norwegian. People tend to ignore that Icelanders didn't really exist as a peoples yet
Iceland was very recently settled at the time, right?
i believe so
There were also Norse people living in Greenland at the time- who were actually there before the Inuit.
Before the Inuit, but not the Dorset (who the Inuit displaced when they moved Eastward)
Inuit murdered them though. :(
IE members downplaying the role Columbus played is troubling considering IE held events across the country on Columbus Day weekend
Leif Erikson doesn't get enough credit but that's probably because he didn't leave any lasting colonies or anything that least to lasting colonies.
@Grayson Isn't that what Brigham Young and most early Mormons believed?
Remember that Trump officially made Lief Erikson day a thing tho
Man, if only the Iberians had behaved like the English in their colonization
We could have a White Hemisphere