oh lol

@Jacob I think Salvini's approach is the best way to incentivize having more kids

IE members could just try to have a huge amount of babies (if they are not sterile)

Though in the US the Mexicans and Indians would just take advantage of it

I argued with my dad recently about Poland's birthrate incentives

He's against them but he's fine with immigration

<:thinkplant:359034245777457173>

Ugh

Our current culture in the US is quite disgusting, really. White people willingly give up their voices like Ariel to Ursula.

My mom full on asked, "but don't we *need* these refugees since our population is aging?"

God I hate that argument

My friend said there are so many jobs that we NEED illegals to do.

I just responded sarcastically and was like, "ah, yes, we *need* to become minorities in our countries" or something like that

Ooooh, that left me fuming.

Just say something about automation

I mean I explained further later

We are not just economic units

just ask them if they've read Locke

We ARE the country, we're not here just to keep its economic machine running

Lol @Trashboat

IM A HUMAN

I'm an explorer

If boomers didn't have enough kids to support their social security, that's their problem. Future generations shouldn't be punished because boomers didn't save for retirement.

I GOT RED BLOOD FLOWING THROUGH MY VEINS

A lot of people who subscribe to the anti-white theology can't be convinced by anything an individual says to them, but many of them may just truly need to put on sunglasses and run out of bubblegum and must be convinced to look through the glass clearly.

The greed of Der Boomer will be researched by future anthropologists for decades

Anti-Boomer Action

<:teehee:381917632359563264>

Not gonna lie, I’m really growing tired of boomers

And I’m usually the one defending them in my local chapter

The boomer meme is really just a meme.

I actually got my dad to stop calling me a "radical" in a demeaning manner. I told him that he's going to be dead and that I and his future grandchildren will be left in this insane clown world; of COURSE I'm a "radical" in comparison to him.

My parents think I am a nazi and I've just stopped reasoning with them about it

It's like talking to a wall

I'm sorry about that, Trashboat.

My parents low key agree with most of the stuff, but they get freaked out when I talk about Jews.

Same

I mean it's gotta be like 80% white where I am so that would explain it

Tfw stepdad was woke on the JQ before I was

I've never even said anything about Jews once to my parents

I had to go to school with 30 percent illegal immigrants, and I told my dad "you didn't have to go to school with a third of the kids not being able to speak a lick of English and clearly having an entirely different culture than you. Don't spit on me as I'm trying to change my world."

lol my dad said communism and fascism are the same thing

I’m fortunate enough that I can just show my parents racial voting trends and they get it

I corrected my dad when he said that and got him woke on antifas origins

@Jacob Mine has too!

@Grossly Incandescent you’re very very lucky. That’s awesome.

A good strategy I’ve used to counter that is do the whole “fascism is a response to communism. Want to avoid fascists? Get rid of commies. Problem solved”

My dad accused me of going to a white supremacist conference, so I accused him of getting his information from a communist website, so he said communism and fascism is the same thing

Does that imply he considers his news sources to be fascist?

That's very smart, Grossly Incandescent.

@Jacob I don't share my membership with anyone, but my father calls IE a neonazi group. It's ignorance, to be honest.

And close-mindedness

Well for most of these people it's because they 100% MSM

Are any of you guys accused of being "hateful" or "filled with hate" or being "angry" for saying ANYTHING at all about demographics?

To be fair literal communists *were* more based than modern day conservatives

They never bought into the fake news and that they believe the MSM to be the paragons of truth

@Selma Very much so.

Yes all the time

Well we’re fighting an uphill battle especially with our wiki.

@Selma Yes, a lot of my teachers said that and now so do my parents

A friend of mine said "You sound like an angry male."

Sexist against men.

A friend of mine said "lmao u gay"

Counter with “angry men shaped history”

Dab

Oh god, and some people reach back HUNDREDS of years to argue with things happening in 2018

The only people I’ve told think it’s awesome.

It's mind numbing.

I can forgive my parents but my brother does the whole big brained centrist bit and it drives me crazy

Oof

Centrists <:sad:366743316475281408>

“I’m apolitical, it’s all dumb.” -brother
Also brother “Trump supports white nationalists and is an evil racist.”

"Orange man bad"

lol

Hahahaha "Yeah, I'm not in support of the democrats or republicans. they're both stupid and ur a nazi *inhales from a bong and blows out* Not gonna vote"

Like just watch the nfl bruh

My aunt hates my immediate family, she says we voted for the death of America.

The type of person who bases their political opinions around sports ball players kneeling

My mom said that she doesn't like my ideology because "they want only white people to have power". And I was like, "are we not even allowed to have power in our own countries?"

she didn't give me an answer

We're screwed either way. Me? I'm a nihilist. cmon bruh Rick and Morty is on

to be fair, my mom talks as if she has amnesia or something, so it's pretty common for her to just not answer questions

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

Stop

like I'm not saying that to be rude, her speech patterns are actually worrying

She *is* a woman.

How old is she @Jacob

doesn't finish sentences, using pronouns without saying what she's talking about, I ask a question and she answers a different question

it's really weird

Jacob, my mother too; she is 64 years old. I told her about blah blah jews blah blah and she said "but theres a really nice jewish lady at the deli. theyre nice ppl"

Actually my mom does that too. @Jacob

@Grossly Incandescent 46

@Selma no that's not what I mean. The stuff she says is genuinely incoherent sometimes.

I mean no disrespect but dementia can first present as forgetfulness

I nndeep nndive into the JQ with people I just met

Not really but imagine if I did

46 is very young though : (

@Grossly Incandescent That makes sense. I don't know what my family's health history is like, but my mom's dad died pretty young.

The true redpill is being an uber driver just for the sole purpose of talking about the JQ

I heard a really successful politician did that strat

JEB!?

@Jacob get her to play sudoku in the newspaper or other logic puzzle games. These can help

huh maybe

Oof @Selma

Lol

lmao

I redpilled a bunch of black guys in basic training about how the Jews owned the slave ships

Gets fired first day from dominoes.

Based

Hahha

lmfao https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1061101680123568128

I redpilled my guild in WoW about race realism

I wonder how much of my mom's weird speech problems are just language problems. She can't speak English perfectly, but she hasn't been in Poland long enough that she speaks Polish pretty badly, too. So, basically she can't speak any language properly.

How the IQ of elves and orcs are not equal

I redpilled my mailman on how my wife left me

epic style

@Gumbo - AZ wow

I redpilled the guys at work about why boxers are objectively superior to briefs

Hell yeah

Boxer briefs? Based.

idk what either of those are

When my wife is napping and I’m holding the baby I watch AmRen videos

Getting started early

Hullo

Boxer briefs are briefs with legs. It’s like a hybrid.

The perfect combination.

@Nerv - VA Can you show it to me in a poorly done MSPaint style?

Honestly, I don't know how I'd go about educating children on our ideology

Its the only way I can fully understand things now

my personality is far too analytical

@Trashboat 🤔I’ll see.

I explain everything in terms of statistics

Based

I think hijacking leftist talking points is a good start

^^^^

“Love yourself” “respect everyone because we’re all different”

Oh you

Heimbach was hijacking today in Little Rock. The entire thing was socialism mixed with ethnopluralism and bad optics

😑

Heimbach is a Democrat now right

They were armed, of course

Heimbach is nazbol

He really is

Thank God for IE

Yep

Spencer and Heimbach and a former leader for IE all said the same stuff.

I used to defend TWP

but then it turned into complete trash

It was fine at first

I know some of the founders other than Matt and they had good intentions

Heimbach hijacked and turned it into a really hardline NS thing that dressed up in costumes

Some of them were reasonable but it attracted the worst type of people.

Yes

I used to chat with Matt back in 2015 and early 2016 and he wasn't always like that.

I actually don't mind socialism mixed with ethnopluralism

Then he went on a little skinhead and klan cross country tour

as long as it's without the bad optics

Yeah

Matt was my first exposure to this ideology with the press he got for his White Student Union

I don’t like socialism.

The groups that push it are usually complete trash

Even “Nordic Socialism” is not attractive.

Didn’t make a difference in my beliefs though at the time

William Pierce had a good video on these types of people.

Groups that push capitalism are trash, too

the best groups have their priorities straight

I think we can argue about economics later

@NateDahl76 it can work, but that’s the only place it has worked, and imagine if they had not been socialist they would be way richer.

We have no control over the economic system right now. What we can influence are the minds and hearts of our people

I deleted because the topic can get contentious.

Contentious is a mod word btw.

😂

Here's a great word to use, mods: Ostentatious (Not being rude or impudent here, genuinely a great word)

I think they just get mad when it devolves into name calling and disrespect.

Folkish socialism is based and in addition redpilled

what's going on here

Yea socialism is great until you get invaded and all your money goes to people who shouldn’t even be in your country.

socialism v capitalism is an irrelevant debate

a homogeneous society will thrive with either system

the better one should be determined on a case by case basis

hot take ehre

@YourFundamentalTheorum dead on the money

We should run anti-immigration candidates that also support social programs in white working class area. During these past midterms, we had multiple red states vote in favor of medicaid expansions and other social programs by large margins. I doubt the guys voting for red state Democrats are pro-immigration and pro a lot of other stuff Democrats want, they just want social programs.

Would it be wrong to post old Russian socialist propaganda? Not to propagandize but I find it to be interesting in a historical sense.

@YourFundamentalTheorum @Papa Pizzagate No, it's relevant because we need to win elections

Okay?

@Jacob it's better to frame elections as globalism v nationalism

socialism v capitalism is so 1900's

You can frame it however you want. A lot of working class people are still going to vote against you if you support economic policies that are designed to favor corporations

@Selma i love communist russian propaganda

like post-civil war

and chinese communist propaganda

tha'ts civil war era

those are the bad ones

not so much anti-capitalist as anti-tsarist. triggers me everytime 😦

You know why Democrats keep winning in states like West Virginia and North Dakota? Because the Republicans in those states want to sell everything to the coal companies

@Papa Pizzagate Do you not want to win elections?

Oh no

Yeah, it was saying they're being exploited by the tsarist officials and higher ups.

@Jacob well this isn't a capitalism v socialism debate then. This is big corporations v small corp.

Here we go

different debate

Deep dive

@Selma well I'm a tsarist so it triggers me lol.

My apologies, YourFundamentalTheorum.

😄

That makes zero sense. Economic policies are either more capitalistic or more socialistic.

Sure. Tell me.

We shouldn't have any positions we aren't willing to focus on.

I mean, it seems like everyone here is in favor of the idea of our guys running for PCO positions

Look at all the BS that they are trying to tie us up with

And almost none of this comes from our own mouths.

We can't be hung for anything we don't agree to ourselves.

IE should not be supporting economic positions, but we should be discussing them, because, when we try to get ourselves into elected positions, we're going to have to have answers to economic questions.

Why does it say anti capitalism?

Is that because of Eli?

@Nerv - VA A way for neo-cons to accuse us of being Democrats

Why does it say that? Because anti-white Wikipedia editors put it there then locked the page.

If you name the international finance capitalism they will never forgive you. Not even sure that was done though.

Every edit takes a Supreme Court case to change now.

Well I think for a while someone I won’t name was running around saying stuff like that with Richard Spencer.

I've never heard of anyone named Eli in my entire life.

A lot of what we think are economic problems can be attributed largely to immigration and cultural issues. For example, healthcare costs have been driven up by the obesity epidemic. Wages have been driven down by women and immigrants flooding the workforce. At the same time, immigration has driven costs of living (especially housing) up. Addressing things metapolitically like we do is the wise approach for now. Other than immigration, most policy debates are apt to divide us unnecessarily

That's a good point

I bet you guys haven't even gotten the Dragon eye tattoed on your foreheaeds, smh

We do need to discuss these issues to some extent, even if just in the context of winning elections

@Ben Rainsford - OH haha that would be against the rules (no uncoverable tattoos)

And, honestly, people who let themselves get divided by these issues are just weak. So, someone has different economic views from you. Who cares? As long as you're trying to guarantee a homeland for our people and have good optics, you're on the same side.

i think economics plays a HUGE role in finding the way forward

I think national capitalism (private industry regulated for the good of the the country as a whole) is the way to go. That's what Trump ran on in the Rust Belt quite successfully. Unfortunately, he then passed Paul Ryan's agenda, not his own

specifically because J-bankers use the economics layer to subvert everything under the sun

the Fed needs to End

It’s proven that the greatest economic position you can take is removing the Jews from your country.

IE shouldn't be an echo chamber. We can't just avoid discussing anything that two people might disagree about. It's one thing to ban religious discussion, but we can't just keep avoiding every topic until the only thing we're allowed to discuss is our shared distate for diverse communities.

Just keep in mind that attacks on capitalism come across very badly to most of white America and increase your likelihood of being called nazi, fascist, etc. Criticizing "corporatism" goes over fine though

at the very core, you should at least own some physical gold & maybe crypto

You shouldn't criticize "corporatism" as a stand in for "capitalism", because it's an entirely different system and anyone who is educated is gonna give you a weird look @TMatthews

But, besides that, you're absolutely correct, and these are exactly the discussions we need to have

if the USD blows up, it's going to have to find its way back to gold and other hard assets - which is very likely. we should be prepared for this outcome

if the USD blows up we're screwed

economically

I would never go around talking about how we need to smash capitalism, but, at the same time, I would advocate for adopting some left wing policies

all of those white-collar laborers are screwed

not if Trump is refilling Ft Knox as we speak, but that's a big IF

@Jacob I disagree. If you make the distinction that capitalism is private ownership of the means of production, but not corporations running rampant, you can hit an ideal middle ground

BRICS can reset gold price if they want, but the main reason they would do that is doubting size of US holdings

"Corporatism" basically just means that we have oligopolies rather than perfect competition. Regulation is necessary to compensate for that

For the record, socialists didn't bring nationalised healthcare to European countries, it was Christian Democracy parties.