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That one girl who got raped and murdered by an illegal.. her father was such a disgrace. He literally was in-favor of illegal immigration even AFTER his daughter was murdered. All because "muh diverse food is yummy"
@Deleted User We are the hope. <:deye:359010025223618570>
Altruism is the biggest blight on European peoples world wide
We are waaaaay too nice
Altruism was fine when it was our people it was towards...but now our altruism is pathological.
No matter what happens, we are helping our posterity by normalizing pro white advocacy
@Deleted User my normie friend is my barometer and he is waking up. It’s good.
There is nothing racist or wrong about advocating for one's own people, especially in such a demographic replacement like this.
@<@&358417583847899140> This is what we need to keep in mind with new members and also with recruiting. Kind of lengthy but definitely on point and a necessity to growing and strengthening our group and the broader movement.
GenZ is woke, the memes are accurate but the guys are actually high energy IRL shitposters
It’s ok to be so
What years of birth make somebody gen z?
<@323930906261979157> I get so blackpilled on that topic
You aren’t GenZ Alexander
It's such insanity. People who are "pro diversity" are the ones wanting to wipe out and replace whites altogether
America is one big gay disco right now hahahaha
@Deleted User this with curt Doolittle really make the case for converting normie and also making strong cases with a sort of a/b testing on people who might already hold some of our views. A really motivating and educational listen.
Anyone know why Greg Johnson and Richard Spencer have animosity towards eachother?
Curt Doolittle convinced me to give up my vote as a lady. He’s not wrong.
Since none of you wanted to come with me, I'm the only EI member <:deye:359010025223618570> representing in the sea of wypipo
Doolittle seems like a nutjob
@Galaxidus Johnson is an ethnonationalist, not a pan-europeanist. .
i read over his blog
Johnson is also a pragmatist.
he has some good points, but his overall philosophy seems really unhinged, and he calls for violence a lot
@Deleted User Yeah I heard that distinction yesterday on heelturn but there seems to be more to it
Probably more to it for sure. Egos, etc.
Libertarianism without the NAP
Lol @Gumbo - AZ Doolittle is a wackjob for sure. Makes some decent points.
Greg Johnson seems like the one to purity spiral as well, dont know much of his work, only his few apperances on podcats and shows
@Galaxidus GJ is an elitist. He’s trying to be more inclusive. I’m a fan.
johnson is a homo that bends to J-interests, but he also does some good work
Read Counter Currents. They’re busy
His reaction when JF asked his he was a homo was great
i'm not against anybody in this movement, i just don't see many viable leaders to valorize out there
But all jokes aside, I view Greg as a natural ally and his work with his publishing company is very good
He doesn’t espouse homo shit, regardless of his proclivities. He’s pro family.
He’s it unless someone else can do what he does.
working on it
You guys have heard “don’t punch right?”
My new thing is “don’t punch white”
We are here for ideas, not personal characteristics. We build from a cohesive ideology and that is built from all aspects of our side.
i'd like to setup a publishing company but i'm still working on a kernel for a long term vision
Arktos is also good from what i've seen
Greg is solid overall. He understands his role as an intellectual and would thus never try to co-opt IE.
I understand that he’s controversial for various reasons, though.
This meme is great 😂
surprised cynthia mckinney made it on to heel turn today lmao
Haha. She’s crazy
Heelturn gang gang
Thoughts on Eric Striker?
I’m not anti Striker
Strike and Mike has gone off the rails a bit.
Striker is a good man, shame to see him and Jochim split
So bad news, the hurricane made my really good job be post poned for a year or so
Good news is that I now work at an all HuWhite molecular genetics firm
Striker is intelligent and friendly but his strategic outlook is really off, unless it’s changed. Less than a year ago, he argued that we’d all “fall in line” behind Heimbach eventually—right...
His commentary on the halsey and Duke debate on JFs stream a few months ago was the best thing I've possibly ever heard.
Also communism is gay.
I've found Striker to be a lot less convincing, but maybe I'm focusing too much on fiddly things like "details" and "accuracy"
Didnt Striker disavow his communist begginings \
Roman statecraft, Germanic engineering, Greek philosophy - Erik Striker
hands down the best characterization of Europeans as a whole.
he's just a NatSoc that doesn't call himself a NatSoc
@Krypto- OH NatSoc and Fascism and general fall into third positionist
When cultured Thug was on he confronted Striker about his NatSoc identity
@Galaxidus maybe to us, but to them it actually is pretty complex
Striker is way ahead of himself. And everyone else.
with respect: third positionism is just a new way to say Fascist/NatSoc without triggering the other person
while third position _can_ refer to other ideas, with Westerners it is most often used in reference to Fash/NS
NatSoc is a form of fascism, it was Germany's unique form of it
@Salo Saloson Not necessarily. I consider third position specifically an economic term, not one that implies a particular system of government. I also use national capitalist when talking about my views with republicans
Striker is really good for history and little known facts, but his politics are wacky.
Like when he was idolizing North Korea’s economics
@Galaxidus I would do a great disservice if I tried. I've spent some time trying to understand it but @ tmattews seems to have explained it farely well
I'd point out that "national capitalism" is just a rebranding of state capitalism
Third Position isnt only economical
hey, Norkland has an economy
South Korea has a real economy.
>yfw revolution has become commercialized
I bet you them capitalists could sell snow to eskimos, water to fishes, and rain to clouds
What are your guys thoughts on the whole Venezuela situation that Jochim and Striker broke ties over?
dont know it, but Venezuela is a mess.
Is there a vid of them breaking up I think heel turn deleted theirs
@Galaxidus I would contest that because we had capitalism for centuries while also being nationalistic. Modern cultural degeneracy is facilitated by capitalism, but its root is in the media, not economics
Much appreciated. I remember their argument over Japan but that was kind of squashed.
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism imo. Commies like to confuse Capitalism for Corperatism, which would be much more accurate when describing (((big companies)))
I will use that from now on, Anglo.
@TMatthews Capitalism is a tool, the people currently using it are using it for evil intent.
I'll call people who are against capitalism anti-semitic, which will then lead them down the path of learning that 99.9999 percent of corporations are owned by Jews.
@Krypto- OH Let it load, it takes a few mins for the play button to show up
Okay, thank you
@Krypto- OH Let me know your thoughts on the subject they end up debating, curious of what others think
@The Eternal Anglo does Corporatism naturally come after Capitalism?
@The Eternal Anglo That's my thought process also. National capitalism as I call it allows free markets but intervenes to protect the national interest. Teddy Roosevelt is an example of this
@Deleted User If the government is for sale then in a capitalist state the people with the most capital will buy up the most influence and evetually usher in corporatism
Thats why you need a strong state
fascism is the merger of state and corporate power
Yeah. It’s a tough call.
capitalism is far from what we know it as today
There is no perfect system.
capitalism is also the methodology to bring true communism as a final order
@The Eternal Anglo Right, the corporation need to serve the needs of the state and the people it represents.
I think it's when a Company becomes so large or unrestrained that they are basically an autonomous government within their own country, or a small country themselves. @Deleted User
capitalism achieves an equilibrium through labor, commodity, and price balancing until a communism is achieved - it's written in a two volume book by Marx
Yup, Marx and engles said capitalism is the prequel to communism
most socialism is fascism, merger of state and corporate power... it's not really communism
most people never actually read marx, but it's true
the main problem we have is corruption at the highest levels, and increasing restrictions on the lower levels of society - if the law was applied judiciously, we wouldn't have near the level of crisis we are at
It's ironically funny that national capitalism has given the workers more rights than Communism ever has
trump applying a heavy handed application of American law is the best way for us to preserve what we've built and also prepare for a future that is possible for whites within society. if he can't make it, it's very very dark down the road from here
Economic nationalism is American. We only adopted free trade during the Cold War in part to combat communism in the world stage.
Its people that have no interst in the Nation as a whole, the people, its traditions and the well being of its societal fabric, a plus from Monarchy is that the King had a personal stake in the land he ruled over, not just in office for 4 years and thats it, not actual long term planning can be done.
the more populists that rise up, the more normalized his behavior will be on a global level - he expressed support for Salvini's revoking immigrant citizenship and other similar strategies
one of the most interesting debates in American history, but also one of the least discussed, was the debate with Cleveland and McKinley about bimetalism
if we never introduced silver into the treasury, we wouldn't have diluted our economic position and likely would have never gotten into a lot of the other escalations in foreign affairs. it was the first major loss on the trail to fiat currency and federal reserve status quo
research bimetalism and gresham's law, grover cleveland & william mckinley
the rest was a result of greed, but americans decided bimetalism was not good for our nation's future, and for good reason.
“One of the least discussed” because it sounds really esoteric lol
it's only esoteric because it's not taught in schools... but it's one of the most important debates in american history with a huge result on the current outcome
Are we discussing economics here?
@Nemets the main argument was that silver was more accessible to commoners, but introducing silver to the reserve was the main kickstart for deflation in the greenback
grover cleveland was one of our most consequential presidents, but he was swept under the rug of american history
I haven't read Ian Fletcher's book
@Reinhard Wolff Its interesting, He talks about the folly of free trade, I beleive the honorable Dr. Fuentes had him on his show not too long ago.
@Nemets that's correct. that's why i would indict greed as the culprit against our own best interest.
*the Honorable Dr. Fuentes
@Nemets necessary doesn't follow, it just facilitated quicker growth, which was the engine for global growth, and much of the problems we have today - economic accelerationism
i guess so, but it doesn't really matter anymore now, does it? lol
we have such a shitshow on our hands to try to manage, there's no way to put the toothpaste back in the tube
that's why fascism is basically destined, whether from the right or from the left... it's unsustainable
Fascism in general is alien to the american political culture, more broadly any anglo country and for that reason alone it will never be realized
global growth peaked about a month ago, we're going to see sharp declines in our economy and emerging markets as well... it's going to be the pretext for drastic political action
Political movements are shaped by their historical, cultural, economic, religious, and political climates. Ours will have similarities to previous nationalist movements, but will ultimately differ in some ways.
Those who are attempting to fully recreate past movements are cargo culting – they believe that going through the motions will achieve the same effect.
a fools errand
"Let's create an Orthodox Christian socialist monarchy in Appalachia!" -- good luck
the main attribute to consider is applying authenticity to future political aims, or else it will only increase the velocity of the spin cycle of history
I don’t think fascism is American either but there are plenty of fasces in the architecture and art in DC. Once you look you’ll notice.
we MUST root out corruption in all forms, or it doesn't really matter because it will only be another revolution - we need an EVOLUTION to escape this churn cycle
Can you spot it?
america financed and supported the rise of fascism, it's deeply embedded in our history
that doesn't mean it's the same or similar to past historical movements
The Fasces is a great symbol with deep and important meaning, together we are stronger,
E PLURIBUS UNUM
This is a very educational conversation, but I do wish there were a more condensed educational channel.
every channel is educational
@Gumbo - AZ "america" financed many revolutions and movements including the bolshevik overthrow of russia
the best way to imagine general is like the bar from cheers
only we have no Norm
Join skills & academics server
where is that @Valaska ? i asked about it the otherday but i don't see it
he wasn't serious
why I'm down
That was actually TWP's official position for a while.
I can get you in touch with Heimbach if you'd like...
"To become a Legionnaire is not just to decide that a Western Orthodox monarchy and new nation on the North American continent is a good idea. To become a Legionnaire you are entrusted with the sacred mission to advance the Faith and work with your fellow Avalonian brothers and sisters."
How do you do, my fellow Avalonians?
"The Iron cuck box"
I was always friendly with Heimbach but apprehensive -- for good reason, it seems.
Ctrl + F my name in this one. Funny stuff.
>It is hardly surprising to see the recruit-hungry Heimbach praising IE’s growing membership while casting aspersions on its leadership. When IE’s newly appointed executive director, Patrick Casey, waded into the optics debate in late January with a tweet disparaging TWP’s shrill presentation, Heimbach responded in the TWP Discord server with, “omg. F--- THIS NI----."
they also call us gay
Yeah, pretty savage owns, all around.
They're indeed vastly superior to IE, and will outlast us due to their superior morality.
what a mess, good lord
Heimbach was a total mess, and it came out they were in constant contact with the SPLC.
hey, Mike Enoch said he felt "more comfortable" at IE events
Heimbach was flawed but TWP had its saving graces imo. Beating antifa ass for one
It's okay man that's a pretty huge L that you had to bear
You carry it for us all
Yeah, we've learned that defending ourselves against violent criminals will result in us facing severe legal issues.
I wish more people had listened, but oh well.
Anarcho-tyranny is real.
Now is not the time for violence, as we can see
obviously that only applies to people on our side of course
@ExternalPepsi don’t get me wrong I like watching the videos, but I don’t like to see our guys go to jail.
Yes fighting=jail for nationalists no matter the circumstances
Even in self-defense
Even just looking like you are prepared for self-defense
With a legal weapon or shield
Is enough for life-ruining FBI investigations and jail forever
And for them it doesn't matter if you're a nationalist or a normie
As long as the power structure persists then that will always be, might makes right and the people in power know that
Antifa lawyers run the courts
Then the question is how do we change the power structure
Careful with phrases like "now is not the time for violence." IE is explicitly non-violent and has no plans of doing violence at some vague point in the future.
Yeah, IE's strat is better but I'm just saying I personally can respect what TWP did.
I've seen enough Discord messages appear in court documents to warrant being extra cautious, even if it's annoying.
@Galaxidus politics is downstream from culture, reasoning is downstream from values. If we can change the culture and the values, then we will outlast 1000 friendly and hostile political administrations
I hear ya
Check out truediltoms videos on that
Heimbach is with the NSM now, will likely be making a reappearance with them pretty soon
still upset that Heimbach is the face of Orthodox Christianity (even though he was excommunicated) in the dissident right. we cannot allow this
The system could indict a ham sandwich if they wanted to
the Ham had it coming
That ham sammich was not Kosher.
@Natasha - PA hey fwiw I do not see Heimbach as the face of Orthodox Christianity in the church
Why did he always wear Thor’s hammer?
If he was Christian?
I think he was Pagan years ago.
I doubt he worse a mjolnir after converting.
I thought he was always pagan, goes to show my dissconnect with him and TWP