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I need to sleep guys I gotta go do dumb first shift work tomorrow.
wage cucking 😢
Hey I make a pretty honest living
Most girls are just cam girls now days
that's what matters
Especially in the midwest
Was that a shot at me
no...the "gross" was the cam girls.
I AM CALM
What's up with Merkel, she lose her job yet?
one can dream
RISE UP DREAMS
wypipo gon rise up
@Freiheit - CA Only way to fire her now will be with their parliament dumping her.
WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS
or not getting the black vote
how is AfD doing in Germany, btw? are they getting any traction or did they burn out?
Wish I knew.
the sight of 10k people chanting lugenpresse still gets me
I guess we kind of have that already here tbh
people chanting fake news at trump rallies
Sargon sways /ourway/ every once in a while.
Maybe he just wants to keep the shekels coming in from both sides though. 🤔
I can't watch sargon
eh, he gets it (on occasion)
I have a liberal-leaning friend irl who has mentioned watching him, so I think he's useful for exposing people to very watered-down versions of our ideas
but he also takes 30 minutes to say something that could take 5 lol
Liberalist wind bag, but he gets it (at least when it comes to Islam and feminism)
I can't believe "liberalist" is the best he could come up with
Sargon and PJW did a sit down with each other and PJW claimed Milo was basically the leader of the Alt Right in 2016
I mean, that's not entirely wrong because the AR was two different things to different people back then
but still kind of a hot take
yeah, the gay jew who bangs black men was the leader of the alt right. makes sense
although...with all the TWP/RS drama lately, we have our own set of degenerates. 😕
I mean like the "lol pepe memes" type of people who said they were part of the alt right
I guess if you say alt right is anyone who isn't a mainstream conservatives you can see where he's coming from
and true... although Sargon was never the same after that marathon debate with RS
that label just got horribly misused and wasted
Unfortunately that was perhaps the last really good thing that Richard did.
You know your country is screwed when other Scandinavians are mocking your political correctness.
That debate help solidify my ideas and let me wrap them up nice and neat
Wow to video
not to be that guy but, oldd
> not to be that guy
still just as true today regardless :-p
I'm watching documentaries if you'd like to join in Rabb.it/chadmemerman
Mister Metokur never disappoints:
They took down his Twitter and I am furious
So twitter did something they've been doing to various "right-wing" users for the past two weeks? Call me surprised.
I wouldn't even consider Metokur right wing, he just doesn't toe the line of pc
True. I would say he's right of the (((media))) and (((twitter))) but yes, I would say he's pretty much just a guy who gets a laugh out of idiots and crazies
ugh why is kraut and tea back
Why are there so many personalities coming back now?
Press F for Jim's twitter
I think personalities like Metokur and Sam Hyde serve as a gateway for many people. Mockery is the most damaging way to attack something. By pointing out the ridiculousness of the p.c. culture which pushes the "diversity is our strength" meme, they erode the cognitive dissonance required to believe in multiculturalism. People won't follow something if they can be convinced that it's silly
Pretty disappointing hearing Alt Hype essentially attack white nationalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKOxOGjqRQU
Maybe that is a bit harsh to say 'attack', however he definitely takes his shots and comes off as completely blackpilled.
needs more dislikes
It was even. It just doubled to 2-1 likes to dislikes
He essentially admits something strange happened with the likes to dislikes and says it makes him look bad as someone obviously bought some.
bought dislikes or likes?
He is being accused of that and he says it appears that has happened, but that it wasn't him and doesn't help him
I've never been exactly sure how pan-europeanism is supposed to work itself out
the EU seems to be the far more likely (and bad) outcome for that sort of idea
My thoughts: Pan Europeanism is the only hope and in fact could work quite well in the functionally pan-European diaspora nations (USA, AUS, Canada, NZ etc) - however it's a abject non-starter in Europe.
Regional identities and ethnicities reign supreme -and for good rason.
but at what point do the Euro-diaspora nations become their own ethnic identities?
I'm really confused about his thesis. It seems to be that since whites didn't overwhelmingly vote for conservatives or republicans that the idea of an ethnostate is flawed...or something. Really confused on what he is getting at.
he thinks that because there are white liberals and black conservatives white nationalism is a bust
I will bookmark this for worktime listening tomorrow. I've always found Ryan to be very thoughtful in his content production, though admittedly I haven't listened to him for a while.
yeah he had some great content
this one felt all over the place to me
He is making his position very clear in this livestream.
Don't have the patience now. (lol) thanks for the share.
His content has been very good, for sure, however this is almost...almost directly at odds with us. It definitely doesn't help our movement and serves as a blackpill. But I digress, I don't want to color your view of the video
Ryan has been wrong before - many times.
Hoodnight fellow Identitarians. \
Hoodnight to all, and to all a Hoodnight.
His direct quote when the fact that whites becoming a minority in this county is NOT a good thing. He says 'The solution is not white nationalism'. Well then...
I'm sure others have mentioned it but I just watched Farmlands. It was a great documentary, albeit a little amateur, but considering that it's independent and the content is very well thought out, I can ignore the repeating shots of some antelope. I've been following Seidlanders efforts for some time so it was cool to see their work in SA.
lmao, y'all heard "mccains last words"
$20 on "bomb Iran"
@Salo Saloson The EU is actually not that bad, it's just that it requires countries to take foreign migrants that makes it crap
As Dr Michael Savage said, respect the warrior, critize the statesman.
In respect to McCain.
Is *Why We Sleep* the un-Identitarian manifesto @Deleted User ?
Sounds like someone shit in Alt Hype’s cereal and he made a cranky fueled video
What's Alt Hype?
Oh I see
He just denounced us and said our movement is full of bad people. I loved his videos. That really hurts
He literally denounced IE, Identitarians or the Alt-Right?
I wasn't willing to make such a bold assertion until I just listened to him for an hour on this livestream
White Nationalism specifically. We're cucks. 'White nationalists are cucks'
I listened for about 5 minutes and he sounded cucked...I wonder what turned him so far around?
haha, the guy that is sounding like a CivNat called *us* cucks? 😂
Maybe he slept with Milo's husband and it turned him around on race realism
I have no idea. Completely bizarre honestly. A complete heel turn. I wouldn't have a problem with him saying 'Look, I have a problem with some of these ideas and their practicality'. However, he punched right and denounced all of us
He is now claiming to be a CivNat
He explicitly claimed Civic Nationalism is our best hope for the future.
And referred to himself as a CivNat
(((Alt Hype)))? :-p
He's correct that White Nationalism 1.0 is a dead end. I don't think anything bearing the title "White Nationalism" will ever succeed.
I haven't seen the video, though.
So I can't really comment beyond that.
I agree with you, Patrick. The video doesn't reveal the depth of his contempt for us. The livestream he just did was where he really let it all out.
The first hour
He explicitly attacked his audience. Very liberalist of him
Did he mention IE specifically or is he just done with identity politics altogether?
He didn't just punch right all of a sudden, he want all Krav Maga on us and went for the balls.
He didn't mention us thank god, or i'd really be salty
Patrick I'd really encourage you to go on the Killstream if you get a chance. Very friendly to our ideas
@Reinhard Wolff He said he's no longer a white nationalist and does not support a white ethnostate
Can you imagine if red ice or one of the other huge channels had a 180 😯
In the old video he said he still supports white identity
@Distracted Not to mention said we are 'cucking' by standing up for the white race. a white race that doesn't claim us. 'It would be like going to India and saying your Indian and telling them your standing up for their rights and future, they'd look at you like your crazy...like whites do to white nationalists now'
In two days he went from ethnostate with some exceptions, to jk fam
Being white nationalists is 'the easy way out'. He actually said that.
Someone tell him to blink twice if he’s being told to say this
How on Earth is standing up for your people cucking? Says the guy who identifies as a CivNat now...
I really don't understand. It's like he missed the point of white nationalism entirely, after being one for so long. He essentially used the 'I'm not Christian because of Christians argument'. Which is a strange one to use.
It's not really a requirement to believe in "the ethnostate" to fight for a better world for our people.
I'll be honest, some of the ethnostate talk can get a little bizarre.
His whole argument is that if Janet Housewife in suburbia isn’t completely aware of/awake to your movement, it’s not worth having at all. Which is silly
People talking about carving up the states and giving them to different groups. Does that sound at all feasible?
Maybe within a few hundred years if nothing changes.
@Reinhard Wolff I agree with you, however the punching right is not necessary. I'd argue I'm one of the most moderate ethnocentric person you can imagine, but I'd encourage you to listen to how he talks about the movement as a whole.
I'm going to listen to it on my drive tomorrow.
@Reinhard Wolff I laughed out loud when Richard Spencer got into ethnostates ~in space~
Just build an ethnostate in space, you un-Faustian idiot!
You heard it here first folks we’re putting an IE flag on Mars
@Reinhard Wolff Good. Some of us it is a bit hard to listen to/cringy at times. I have no problem highlighting problems with the phrasing we use to identify ourselves or others, but it went beyond that. Either way, I'll be interested to hear your perspective and I'm willing to soften my criticisms.
His defection is disappointing, but it changes nothing. Some of his videos are good, and I'm sure he'll continue to produce interesting content even if he OD'd on the black pill
If you can't have your ethnostate on Earth, there are plenty of other planets that will allow it, can't get much freer markets than uninhabited planets
The ethnostate is fun to dream about. But I'm more concerned with my 2 year old not getting Bantu'd by the natives we're importing. Additionally, we just found out we're having another boy today.
It's probably a fair criticism. Ryan is a sharp guy but he's always come across as a bit bitter and petulant.
He's always been cool to me, though.
@Reinhard Wolff I didn't get the idea you were the type of person he has a problem with
I think we can, at the very least, convince Trump supporters why preserving America's historic demographics is needed and not at all extreme.
But obviously there's room for the exploration of more esoteric ideas.
My personal experiences of trying to explain my ideas recently have not exactly been met with open arms
We need people telling the full, uncensored truth, but we also need people watering it down for normie consumption.
It's amazing to me that college professors will travel to the heart of the amazon to preserve some tribe that still hasn't found out how to write, but will openly advocate genocide against whites. The cognitive dissonance is mind blowing.
Well one of my buddy’s girlfriends was not about the conversation at all, outside of that my friends have been interested to talk but at arms length really
Politics is general, not even race, immigration or anything serious, is something a large number of people are keeping at arms length. I wouldn't take it personally. I'd also say that things will have to get worse before they get better, as people without direct experience with being culturally enriched often have romanticized ideas about 'diversity'...or still haven't figured out diversity just means not white
Wish I had a sliver the conversational skills of Jared Taylor man that guy could sell me the shirt I’m wearing
There isn't a single person I've talked to who's really been open to even listening to what I say
Very black pilling in my experience
Ive talked with Republican consultants working for very important Congressmen and even they agreed with me at lunch when I said "diversity just means less white people", so the "normies" know, they just aren't willing to talk about it publicaly most times.
They all accept it and no one has really ostracized me or anything at least
Every time I’ve brought it up I get “well American whites don’t have culture” and a piece of me shrivels up and dies each time
@fgtveassassin They won't change their minds in one conversation. All you can do is plant the seed. Their inherit desires for in group and aesthetics will eventually pull them in unless someone intervenes and shoves the Kool-Aid down their throats
Might think about your tactics or demeanor @fgtveassassin I know when i get "passionate" (ie loud/excited) about a political topic, my wife tends to shut me out and stop the convo pretty quick. If i stay calm and measured, she'll stay engaged.
People's knee jerk reaction, EVEN IF THEY AGREE WITH YOU, is to put up token resistance because the idea itself is so...subversive. You're literally talking to someone about them becoming a 'bad person' by societal standards for embracing those ideas. No one converts to our positions overnight and all you can do is plant the seed. What they do with it from there is on them. I've completely given on becoming blackpilled, simply because it isn't an option.
given up on becoming blackpilled* God please help me type
It's a marathon, not a race. You have to slowly push someone's personal Overton window enough until they no longer have that knee jerk reaction
Yeah, @Asatru Artist - MD that's part of it I think, my group of buddies from work that I play games with we talk about politics a lot, and they accept most of what I'm saying, pretty much all CivNats but realize the problems with blacks and hispanics, but anything past that they just won't change at all
Its most annoying when we get into and all start gettin uppity, I'm the one they disagree with so the ones not involved just think I'm the crazy one
I sit at home and listen to enough people argue on the internet that I can pretty much take my buddies to task on things, they mostly have normie ideals. Probably don’t even listen to 3+ hr bloodsport podcasts. Pfft
Someone doesn't have to accept our ideas whole cloth for us to be successful in the conversation. Additionally, just because someone doesn't immediately shift to 'build the wall' doesn't mean you haven't had success. Plant the seed, give them things to look out for, have them look for anti-white bias. Even if they reject what you say they will immediately start noticing it more. We're very early in our movement. More than changing minds, we're changing misconceptions about our movements and how we've been represented in the last 20 or so years. By we, I mean pro white
I've basically said to myself recently that of course if a topic comes up I'll slip something in but I've planted enough seeds and hopefully one day, even if its later rather than sooner they say "huh, I guess Matt was right" and hopefully I can find a few people to talk to at college but its not looking good so far on that front either
@fgtveassassin To most normies, you *are* the "crazy" one. We are the dissident right, we ARE the counterculture. That won't be taken well by most people who just want to get along in society and not rock the boat.
Making very clear the “I don’t hate anyone” bit is crucial when I’ve talked to people
@JC Yeah, some of my more normie tier friends use the term "anti-white" now, so our ideas are getting out there, we just have to put them out there.
The Ethnostate could easily happen if we could make the whole world sympathize with our situation.
There isn't a single person here who joined this group because of one person they talked to, so don't be discouraged.
Try not to get too frustrated, and take a tip from the media, exposure and repetition is key to getting accustomed to ideas.
Sympathy is the key.
@EverlastingTuck "Love for your own does not mean a hatred for others."
The general idea is that you’re either a centrist or a member of an alt right death squad and that doesn’t help us much
That's why Jews push the Holocaust so much.
Wait, did I join a right wing group? I thought this was a support group for fence sitters
Radical Centrists Unite!
Lowkey hoping someone comes up to me at school reading "Who Are We?" and asks about it
@EverlastingTuck Eh, prove them wrong with deeds. If they see *you* aren't part of the RWDS and go out helping other people, it will break that conditioning.
I've even gotten my own mum, who watches cnn daily mind you, to start admitting that all this is happening.
Read "White Identity" and see what they do...
just need constant exposure
When I get that one I will
My mom is woke af boomer. She agrees with our ideas.
Ordered it earlier today actually
My parents are milktoast Fox News types
Based Mrs. Asatru
If you feel like killing yourself: https://youtu.be/k9bu0NqxW4Y
My dad has turned his Facebook wall into a basic bloodsports arena for “his snowflake friends” though which is absolutely hilarious
My father is a boomer and has also turned facebook into a bloodsport. He's further right than I am
I don't know where my parets stand, my dad realizes there's less and less white people but hates Trump and Repubs, he's a "There's blacks and n***" type of guy, he's said that since I was a little kid
My mom worked at a retirement home for Jews so she kinda understands the idea of jews thinking their superior but thinks my dad is extra with the race stuff
@fgtveassassin I like to reply to that line of thought with 'There isn't a black guy on earth saying 'There are white people and then there are crackres'
my dads the type of guy to call black drivers on the road the n word, and nfl players who suck the n word, but then watches cnn all day
To be fair, I can't really blame anyone for hating the Repubs
@EverlastingTuck Sorry to hear about your friends not liking talking about politics. I do think it's worth to keep all sorts of friends, and you don't have to talk about politics to be friends. Politics and religion are those things you should be careful how you talk about it, mainly with people who mostly agree with you already. IE is a good place to talk about politics, religious communities are good places to talk about religion.
and IE is *not* a good place to talk about religion...
Hopefully someone at school realizes the issues with all the black kids, which is a stupid large portion of kids it seems and I can get to them somehow
I need to stop black pilling myself all the time, don't want to turn into Alt Hype so early on
Some people are unwilling or unable to unlearn and relearn.
There's no use getting too upset about them.
The last thing I'll say and I have to go to bed: There are forces at work with the intention of 'black pilling' you. Don't let them be effective. Additionally, this is a long term movement without much personal glory or affirmations. Have a good night guys
Now, we shouldn't use that as an excuse to become too weird and esosteric, but that's just how some people are.
Ty Patrick. Thanks for heading this whole thing up. You're an inspiration.
The average normie wasn't asked decades ago if he or she wanted America to become a degenerate, multiracial hellscape.
Nevertheless, it happened.
No one voted for this.
Well, maybe some did but you get the point.
Many of the people who are stubborn now would probably share all of our views after living under an identitarian regime for a few years.