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Jesus, his name is escaping me
Yeah Cantwell is a prime example of what someone said earlier in the chat about not attaching yourself to a certain personality in the movement
I've seen and heard some disgusting things about him.
I also think he took the pill too hard
I mean, the guy read Mein Kampf in jail
Cantwell is another animal
Yeah Cantwell is an addict and sex friend, in addition to doxxer. Disavow
Little and Nehlen overdosed on red pills. You have to take it slowly and really formulate a position before going public. They were reacting to Culture of Critique in real time. That's the best I can say for them
"I just quit my 6 figure job because my boss wouldn't let me take off 2 weeks to read a book about Jews. Also I am currently touring the country to 'name the jew'. I still have a website and internet payment processor btw 😂 😂 😂"
totally normal and well adjusted guy who is not in any way a fed.
I dont think he is a fed
He has not advocated for any illegality
I’m pretty sure Youcis and that “Illegal Aryan” guy are an item, they go everywhere together
T H O T
But let's steer chat from becoming gossip and reminding ourselves yet again of the collapse of the alt right, shall we?
It’s true, doesn’t help that I remember everything
Don’t know much about JF and all that though
What does that even mean?
The 'alt-right'? Absolutely.
My fault. I just liked the Best Lauren's new video... Turned into eCeleb hour
Sure, the 'alt right'
The term is dead. The basic principles remain
like the 2016 pre cville?
>Sacrifice your life for the movement because of the truth you've found
>Run for office, beat 11 candidates and loose to 10
>loose your wife in the process
>the people you'd call brothers call you a fed
or even post cville?
Little is insane.
Supporting a man on a fools errand is foolish.
okay lets forget little
Has he done some shit im missing recently?
"Just because you are right does not mean you will win."
I.E. can focus on "Identitarian" brand without preoccupying itself with going on and on about how dead "Alt Right" is. Just don't even remark on it.
That is not dead which can eternal lie and with passing of strange midterm elections even death itself may die.
Little is dedicated and driven, too bad he is so misguided
Not popular opinion:
I don't know how i feel about the term 'identitiarian'
of course I am totally down with the cause
I think the term is good because it makes people ask you what it is...
totally normal dude here, checking in.
Didn't see that
where's the lie though? <:teehee:381917632359563264>
Visit YidsRapeKidsdotcom to have Patrick Little show up at your workplace
he will **name the jew**
I dont even know who his intended audience is
I did get a kick out of Little's "give Israel money to blacks" meme though. Could have been better used by a more temperent politician.
yeah that was pretty good
but dude jumped the shark real quick
oh my god, I've never actually seen the blimp, I'm dead 😂
I may have lol'd at that
Little’s idea was good, his content with said idea was bad obviously. Dude would have made international news if he had pulled it off
do a search for that website.
the one on the blimp
The blimp would have flown in full view of a baseball stadium of people assembled to watch a game on “Jewish heritage night”
and prepare to cringe.
why honeypot myself
I wonder if he draws all his motivation from the arabs cheering him on online
@NateDahl76 Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that's his encouragement/funding
tfw Russian bots aren't real but Iranians are...<:nervous:359009898115104770>
> wanting attention from arabs
I'm going to be completely honest, there's terms I like better than "identitarian", but, we need to make compromises for now
"Identitarian" is probably the best for public use
@Asatru Artist - MD eh I don't want to make it sound like I'm promoting terminology that goes against IE standards
I hate all branding and marketing in general (so tiresome), but I recognize its importance in politics and culture and I accept I.E.'s current stance as the superior option of all available.
DM me...I'm just curious
I'm just saying I totally get the point of view that "identitarian" is awkward... but you should use it because it sounds non threatening
oh ya that's a good one
but I still understand why IE leans more toward "identitarian"
Americans want to hear about safety, money, borders, etc. The root ideology can be identiartianism, but frankly I don't think it's what middle American average Joe types want to hear or will feel connection with.
eh, the argument on losing a sense of community is pretty strong
I actually think most people would be more responsive to issues related to identity than some boring economics stuff
Agreed, but it can be said without using vague metapolitcial terminology
Absolutely appeal to loss of community and what not I agree
I would probably lean towards using "identitarian" with people who are personally interested in politics and have the patience to let me explain what that means, while using something like "nationalist" for people who don't have the energy to sit through that
Or just don't use a label at all with some people, just go straight to ideas
"White well-being" is awkward but a good catch all. It can mean anything from nationalism to community support or anything in between.
i really liked "white well being" from No White Guilt (that's who i heard it from)
I would just say use Nationalist frankly, using these estblished ideological terms kind of railroads you into talking points whereas drawing from a large pool of generally right wing ideas or popular feelings and events will make us a bit tougher for leftists to pin down and a bit easier for people to sympathize with
"white well being" is non threatening and multivariate. Like JT's "white advocacy" (also good)
I think being explicitly counter revolutionary to the left is going to be far more effective than revolutionary to the right
"Identitarian" could appeal to more intellectual people
it sounds smart
also there's the people who are really into politics and know what it means
Gotta say, I think AltRight is still the best term from a purely marketing perspective
Saying words to sound smart is kinda of a weird strategy because if they're actually "intellectual" they might just be unimpressed
hmm good point
Since CVille, we’ve been struggling to settle on a new term and nothing has stuck
That's because the term was killed
The brand was destroyed lmao
No one ever analyzes what ideology NAACP is. They just are the NAACP. Let's just be IE
I guess "identitarian" would be nice if it caught on, since "nationalist" has a bit of baggage, though "nationalist" had the advantage of being more well known. So, I would say use "identitarian" with people who are ready for it, and use "nationalist" with everyone else.
This is a great article, finally catching up on it in full
@Jacob yeah and it could possibly catch on but I'm not really counting on it. The ideology is sound but I feel like the term just doesnt have much power especially in America
I think I pretty much agree with that
@Matthias I zoned out when the author got to Frankfurt school apologia. I know it is important to read the enemy's internal discussions but the Talmudry is so contorted.
Lord, make me an instrument of your will. Where there is injustice against my people may I bring right. Where there is error may I bring truth. Where my people despair may I bring hope. Grant that I may comfort my people rather than to be comforted - to serve them rather than to be served. For it is by putting the needs of my people before my own that I may best serve to secure the existence of my race and a future for White children. Good night, and peace be with you.
Blessed and Breadpilled
At a certain point we need a name and to stick with it. Taking on "baggage" is just a function of its use in the passage of time
Anyone who listens to us for five minutes knows we're White Nationalists
Better to be who we are than scurry around looking for strange new words to euphemize it as if we're ashamed
@Singleton Mosby WV Not religious at all but that is easily something I could see myself saying in dark times
>Americans want to hear about safety, money, borders, etc. The root ideology can be identitarianism, but frankly I don't think it's what middle American average Joe types want to hear or will feel connection with.
That's probably true, but there's already a Trump movement addressing those issues. We can touch on them as well, but if we abandon our niche we'll become an ineffective version of the Proud Boys.
I really don't think there's an effective youth movement for the populist trump types. There's not a positive org for Anne Coulter and Tucker Carlson types. They all ended up in negative spaces like TPUSA. Tapping into that energy would yield us a larger membership and influence base especially if we're able to get on Tucker and what not regularly representing the youth aspect of the movement
Then we'd have to explain why we only allow Whites into the organization.
And if we opened the organization up to non-Whites, we'd lose most if not all of our current membership, and probably find ourselves with a dumber and less dedicated organization.
Never said open up to non whites
Bring conservatives to us not us to them
Use rhetoric and policies that will make non whites disinterested without being explicity white only
Or just flat out don't address it
That's ridiculous dude
I actually agree that we should tap into them
We should create front groups to do not
Well, given this organization's founding it's a bit late to try to trick people into believing we're something we aren't.
"boy I love milk, farmers markets, and craft beer" <-- this should dissuade nonwhites from coming
We should never dilute the real group
Goodnight ladies and gents.👏
We could do our explicit rheotric and slogans through college rep groups and other trump style groups
This sounds like 4D chess to break away from the stigma that comes from speaking sincerely about race and identity -- that's really not going to happen at this point, again, given the organization's history.
But just explicitly being an effectively revolutionary right group with an extremely obscure metapolitcial lexicon I just frankly don't see as getting incredibly far
Our purpose isn't just to network -- it's to send a message. If we're not speaking honestly about these issues, who will?
I hope we prove you wrong.
Isn't membership growing?
If you're not explicit on race what is even the purpose of any of this
There's something to be said for avoiding fringe issues, using more American/Trumpian aesthetics, etc. -- but we're already doing that. As to the term identitarian -- I think it's good, but I'm not opposed to nationalist either.
The left long marched into our institutions and effectively took over our country while being completely disingenuous with the people. They preached love and peace and laughed all the way to the bank with a Marxist/leftist root only seen by the top echelon
You don't think there was a radical vanguard?
Whenever someone asks me where I stand politically, I always just say I'm a nationalist to avoid having to explain identitarian, its definitely good for normie conversation
How many times since the 50s have we learned the lesson that masking our true intentions does not work except to actually degrade those intentions into what we wanted to overcome in the first place (the mainstream right)
I understand toning down the message to normies so you don't get doxed, but identitarian is specific, whereas nationalist can be a bit vague.
e.g. civic vs ethnic/racial
If it's any consolation the Left has also overplayed their hand and has no idea of how to operate when we go on the offense instead of staying on defense
The disagreement here I think is as to whether or not we should be explicit, or rather how explicit we should be
@Reinhard Wolff lmao I literally never said I don't think we'll win I even said earlier I think the ideology is strong I just don't being explicitly in your face about is going to get too far I think the networking and infrastructure will be far more important. I don't really appreciate you representing me as being against the org or our cause though. I'm not saying were doomed I'm just saying the infrastructure and the network will prove more effective long term and that our rhetoric with adjusted would grant us more of that.
I joined IE because it was explicitly white, well run, professional, and obviously growing.
I'm a supporter of this approach. The way the Overton Window works is that you always get less than you bargain for. That's why we need people to be radical. Not extremist, but radical.
The left won using front groups, but still had more radical groups both to funnel people into, and to pull on the Overton Window.
@Ald we are explicit on race but not abrasive on it. Many groups have walked this line. It's harder for us because the media controllers hate us, but in the end people will still want to hear how we describe ourselves from our own mouths, and it's important not to give the media any records to present us as speaking for ourselves badly
>But just explicitly being an effectively revolutionary right group with an extremely obscure metapolitcial lexicon I just frankly don't see as getting incredibly far
"I don't see as getting incredibly far" -- this doesn't refer to us? Which other right wing group with an "extreme obscure metapolitical lexicon" (identitarian?) were you referring to?
We're talking about IE.
I'm saying in our current position how everything stands
Not the org not the members not the future
Right, one should be as optics friendly as possible *within* explicit White advocacy toward an ethnostate, or else what are we really doing here @ThisIsChris
Which group were you referring to?
I'm just offering ideas as to how we can expand our realm of influence which is an overall positive
"not the org"
Another important issue to keep in mind is that if we promote civic nationalism "for more", by the time we're "ready" for identitarianism, there won't be any identitarians left to help you promote it. That's why the left need radical groups to be their operations out of.
Let's go easy on the animal posting
I'm enjoying this discussion
@Ald agreed, although we do need to be careful what we want, not to nitpick but we don't want to be explicit about wanting an ethnostate because in the end that may not be what we actually aim for in the real world
Just so we're all clear, it is perfectly okay to have civil discussions about our strategy
When I say not the org I'm saying not the org itself but the current status of our situation and our approach I think we'd benefit from a bit of a rhetoric shift and I think we're doing that so I'm fairly content. A lot of your speeches have had a populist lean and I'm pretty sure every time I've said how much of a good idea I think it is
Sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt
I never said we had no chance and I really like our slightly shifting direction
I think a lot of normie cons are getting more receptive to something more radical especially after Kavanaugh, they will respect us if we are strong and maintain our positions instead of cucking or keeping our agenda secret
I just want that made clear
@ThisIsChris What more could we want? Who else will struggle for the ideal for us?
Yeah my bad boss
I hope IE never stops being white only or explicitly for white well being.
But my ideas still stand, and I think @Jacob has a great point with influencing groups like CR and other heritage groups indirectly rather than flatout converting them
An effective radical vanguard should act as a center of gravity for everyone very broadly on our side, not as an ideological prostitute pulled this way and that by who we "need" to appease
@Ald what we want is the right and ability to organize white people for their collective interest. This may happen in a state where whites are a super majority, majority, plurality, or less. We hope it's more, but realistically it could be less and we don't want to be painted with the bad parts of "ethnostate" if it's not actually important to our real goals
I've considered this issue at length, and that's part of the reason we've shifted as we have. The problem, as I see it, is that the culture of our "movement" and organization is too radically racial for the average Tucker fan.
If we dilute our message enough, people will leave.
@ThisIsChris An ideal is a frame of reference that gives "important" or "unimportant" their meanings
I agree I just want to see us be able to tap that message somehow without losing o it essence
I do think there's somewhat of a happy medium, which is why the server rules as they are.
@Ald on that I really disagree, because the ideal is something that is not realistic it is a gift to those that want to slander us. Richard Spencer can't talk to a reporter without them asking him how he's going to remove nonwhites from America for his ethnostate. Ethnic removal is not really something we are thinking about or have any concrete plans to think about.
As long as IE is white only and primarily concerned with creating a better world / America for white people, I can roll with adjustments.
In the truly long game, only an ethnostate addresses the conditions necessary for our guaranteed existence. I see it as a victory in itself that ethnostate has entered the lexicon of the politically minded
@Nemets Russia has its ethnic divisions due to its huge size, but the environment and circumstances are different here.
@Ald I disagree, many ethnic groups in the world without a state. some minority groups even rule over their host country's majority
@ThisIsChris One can have immediate goals like securing the border and freedom of association, increasing our birthrate and decreasing that of the colored, etc, and these are all good, but if we're serious about our indefinite existence we can never lose sight of the fact that races only exist at all because of isolation, and anything less than an ethnostate means some measure of mixture every generation until we're gone as a distinct people
@Nemets That require aspects of state apparatus that at least tolerates such action.
I'm thinking to myself, what is the plan for Europeans 10,000 years down the road?
My 2 cents before I sleep. I think it's not good to cover a racial identitarian moment as anything else as it becomes apparent to others what it is about.
Someone I was listing to the other day was talking about predictive police algorithms. When they are told to avoid targeting blacks they just target a proxies like weave shops and places of high methol sales (not a joke).
The American Values or other so stated things are just a proxy for White culture and identity. You'll have all the negatives tossed at you for being an implict white group and none of the positives of being honest about what your group is.
@Ald "if we're serious about our indefinite existence we can never lose sight of the fact that races only exist at all because of isolation, and anything less than an ethnostate means some measure of mixture every generation until we're gone as a distinct people" not true, so long as white-white couples produce more children that goes beyond replacing those lost
The ruling elite game, which is the best we can hope for outside an ethnostate, does not work, empirically. Look at Indians. Look at Persians. Look at South Americans. @ThisIsChris
Regarding ethnostate. You can't get one by any means until enough people are racially conscious. Making whites racially conscious is the first task and I think IE is great at that.
Conservative white couples have a high birth rate. They can overtake if their is no immigration.
The number one goal is (legally and non-violently) replacing our current ruling class/establishment.
legally, non-violently, in Minecraft
Passing a few immigration bills while the media, academia, the donor class, etc. all pull the strings won't amount to much in the end.
@dudelsäcke true, but my two points are 1. the point is sticking out your end goal as your first goal for criticism is very unnecessary, and 2. We should try to understand how we can be a prosperous people in a non-ideal world without trying to go "all out"
What happens after we install a new political class could take many forms. I'm of the opinion that an all-White ethnostate in America is unlikely -- at least at this point -- but who knows where we'll be in 50, 100, 250 years.
Defeating the Left is absolutely goal number one, though.
Which is why we should be friendly with other Trump supporters.
Someone just removed their thumbs up. I saw that.
@Jacob Brandenburg vs Ohio. It's not illegal to discuss replacement of our current political system with another type. We don't even have to Minecraft that one.
Why not go "all out", if we can? No one will aim for it for us. We can talk about where we are presently, and what to do about it, but without a true ideal, what can we say we are actually moving towards? Can we struggle for something less than what we really want in our hearts? @ThisIsChris
forgive me master, for I must go all out, just this once
Ya, we should definitely try to make friends with Trump people. Proud Boys collaborated with Antifa to try to dox me, but, some, I assume, are good people.
@micbwilli Major newspapers are openly demanding revision of the Constitution (no more 1st or 2nd A, no more Electoral College, no more Supreme Court)
A lot of these guys just need some guidance, even if we shouldn't assume they're all our friends automatically
@ThisIsChris, birthdate and demographics are all intertwined though. Whites have low birth rates because they are shouldering the burden of POCs and because of guilt and because of nihilism. These forces will only strengthen with time in a multiethnic country.
For anyone curious, Antifa took a picture of me, and Proud Boys spread it around and bragged that they confronted that white nationalist (me)
What you're putting forward as an endgame just fails to inspire and I think most likeminded to us would agree @ThisIsChris
So, exercise caution, but try to make friends with them
I have even seen liberals and demSocs shilling to get rid of the senate ("why does South Dakota have as many Senators as California"- cat ladies)
The ethnostate is the ideal, no doubt, its plausibility right now is out there but nothing great is easily or quickly gained. And it is great. A dream. A hope. Unlike trying to make it work amongst a teeming brown empire
Just as an aside. FTN had a really good white pill in today's show. A recent large poll of voters with 65% white respondents had 35% saying they were going to vote in the specific interests of white people. 😀
I like how you call blacks Bantus
Listening to the first post hiatus "Fatherland" Episode, and Jim is praising IE highly. IE needs to keep doing what we're doing.
TRS podcasts praise us a lot.
Fatherland split from TRS but yup
Oh, is he? Interesting.
Could you link it with a timestamp?
2hr 20 minute mark ish
@Ald It'd be a nice bonus but it may not be an ideal. You can construct on paper an ideal version of an ideal ethnostate, but there's a lot of practical things now to be focused on.
Do the Proud Boys really beat each other up while yelling out cereal brands?
I think it was the Friday TDS that talked about the pre-IE operations of calling out anti-white professors on campuses.
And the Bantus displaced the Khoisan. So much for pan-Africanism.
I liked that strategy but IIRC it was shut down due to legal concerns (targeting).
@dudelsäcke " birthdate and demographics are all intertwined though. Whites have low birth rates because they are shouldering the burden of POCs and because of guilt and because of nihilism. These forces will only strengthen with time in a multiethnic country." Agreed but all we can do is find out how to flourish and fight nihilism given our current circumstances, which are less than ideal but not impossible to work within