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2018-10-15 03:20:20 UTC

Chris something...

2018-10-15 03:20:23 UTC

Jesus, his name is escaping me

2018-10-15 03:20:25 UTC

Cantwell yeah.

2018-10-15 03:20:27 UTC


2018-10-15 03:20:52 UTC

Yeah Cantwell is a prime example of what someone said earlier in the chat about not attaching yourself to a certain personality in the movement

2018-10-15 03:21:02 UTC

I've seen and heard some disgusting things about him.

2018-10-15 03:21:17 UTC

I also think he took the pill too hard

2018-10-15 03:21:28 UTC

I mean, the guy read Mein Kampf in jail

2018-10-15 03:21:37 UTC

Cantwell is another animal

2018-10-15 03:21:40 UTC

Yeah Cantwell is an addict and sex friend, in addition to doxxer. Disavow

2018-10-15 03:21:47 UTC

Little and Nehlen overdosed on red pills. You have to take it slowly and really formulate a position before going public. They were reacting to Culture of Critique in real time. That's the best I can say for them

2018-10-15 03:21:50 UTC

"I just quit my 6 figure job because my boss wouldn't let me take off 2 weeks to read a book about Jews. Also I am currently touring the country to 'name the jew'. I still have a website and internet payment processor btw 😂 😂 😂"

totally normal and well adjusted guy who is not in any way a fed.

2018-10-15 03:21:50 UTC

Totally disavow

2018-10-15 03:22:05 UTC

I dont think he is a fed

2018-10-15 03:22:13 UTC

He has not advocated for any illegality

2018-10-15 03:22:14 UTC

A fed?

2018-10-15 03:22:15 UTC

I’m pretty sure Youcis and that “Illegal Aryan” guy are an item, they go everywhere together

2018-10-15 03:22:21 UTC


2018-10-15 03:22:25 UTC


2018-10-15 03:22:31 UTC

You know your lore deeply @NateDahl76

2018-10-15 03:22:51 UTC


2018-10-15 03:23:07 UTC

But let's steer chat from becoming gossip and reminding ourselves yet again of the collapse of the alt right, shall we?

2018-10-15 03:23:14 UTC

It’s true, doesn’t help that I remember everything

2018-10-15 03:23:27 UTC

Don’t know much about JF and all that though

2018-10-15 03:23:29 UTC

It's collapsing?

2018-10-15 03:23:37 UTC

What does that even mean?

2018-10-15 03:23:37 UTC

It's dead.

2018-10-15 03:23:42 UTC

The 'alt-right'? Absolutely.

2018-10-15 03:23:44 UTC

My fault. I just liked the Best Lauren's new video... Turned into eCeleb hour

2018-10-15 03:23:46 UTC

Sure, the 'alt right'

2018-10-15 03:23:55 UTC

define! @Matthias

2018-10-15 03:23:58 UTC


2018-10-15 03:24:15 UTC

The term is dead. The basic principles remain

2018-10-15 03:24:23 UTC

like the 2016 pre cville?

2018-10-15 03:24:26 UTC

>Sacrifice your life for the movement because of the truth you've found
>Run for office, beat 11 candidates and loose to 10
>loose your wife in the process
>the people you'd call brothers call you a fed

2018-10-15 03:24:27 UTC

or even post cville?

2018-10-15 03:25:03 UTC

Little is insane.

2018-10-15 03:25:12 UTC

Supporting a man on a fools errand is foolish.

2018-10-15 03:25:14 UTC

sorry bro.

2018-10-15 03:25:18 UTC

okay lets forget little

2018-10-15 03:25:20 UTC

Has he done some shit im missing recently?

2018-10-15 03:25:21 UTC

"Just because you are right does not mean you will win."

2018-10-15 03:25:32 UTC

I.E. can focus on "Identitarian" brand without preoccupying itself with going on and on about how dead "Alt Right" is. Just don't even remark on it.

2018-10-15 03:25:38 UTC
2018-10-15 03:25:49 UTC

That is not dead which can eternal lie and with passing of strange midterm elections even death itself may die.

2018-10-15 03:25:53 UTC

Little is dedicated and driven, too bad he is so misguided

2018-10-15 03:26:02 UTC

Not popular opinion:

I don't know how i feel about the term 'identitiarian'

2018-10-15 03:26:24 UTC


2018-10-15 03:26:31 UTC

of course I am totally down with the cause

2018-10-15 03:26:34 UTC

I think the term is good because it makes people ask you what it is...

2018-10-15 03:26:40 UTC

totally normal dude here, checking in.

2018-10-15 03:26:43 UTC
2018-10-15 03:26:54 UTC

Didn't see that

2018-10-15 03:27:01 UTC

where's the lie though? <:teehee:381917632359563264>

2018-10-15 03:27:32 UTC

Visit YidsRapeKidsdotcom to have Patrick Little show up at your workplace

he will **name the jew**

for **you**

2018-10-15 03:27:49 UTC

I dont even know who his intended audience is

2018-10-15 03:27:54 UTC

I did get a kick out of Little's "give Israel money to blacks" meme though. Could have been better used by a more temperent politician.

2018-10-15 03:28:06 UTC

yeah that was pretty good

2018-10-15 03:28:15 UTC

but dude jumped the shark real quick

2018-10-15 03:28:21 UTC

oh my god, I've never actually seen the blimp, I'm dead 😂

2018-10-15 03:28:35 UTC

I may have lol'd at that

2018-10-15 03:28:56 UTC

Little’s idea was good, his content with said idea was bad obviously. Dude would have made international news if he had pulled it off

2018-10-15 03:29:28 UTC

do a search for that website.

2018-10-15 03:29:36 UTC

the one on the blimp

2018-10-15 03:29:39 UTC

The blimp would have flown in full view of a baseball stadium of people assembled to watch a game on “Jewish heritage night”

2018-10-15 03:29:41 UTC

and prepare to cringe.

2018-10-15 03:29:50 UTC

why honeypot myself

2018-10-15 03:30:08 UTC

@NateDahl76 wow. Almost like he's utterly incompetent.

2018-10-15 03:30:42 UTC

I wonder if he draws all his motivation from the arabs cheering him on online

2018-10-15 03:31:08 UTC

Ba'athism intensifies

2018-10-15 03:32:34 UTC

@NateDahl76 Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that's his encouragement/funding

2018-10-15 03:33:04 UTC

tfw Russian bots aren't real but Iranians are...<:nervous:359009898115104770>

2018-10-15 03:33:13 UTC

> wanting attention from arabs
> sanity

2018-10-15 03:33:25 UTC

I'm going to be completely honest, there's terms I like better than "identitarian", but, we need to make compromises for now

2018-10-15 03:33:35 UTC

those are?

2018-10-15 03:33:55 UTC

"Identitarian" is probably the best for public use

2018-10-15 03:34:40 UTC

@Asatru Artist - MD eh I don't want to make it sound like I'm promoting terminology that goes against IE standards

2018-10-15 03:34:56 UTC

I hate all branding and marketing in general (so tiresome), but I recognize its importance in politics and culture and I accept I.E.'s current stance as the superior option of all available.

2018-10-15 03:35:03 UTC

DM me...I'm just curious

2018-10-15 03:35:35 UTC

I'm just saying I totally get the point of view that "identitarian" is awkward... but you should use it because it sounds non threatening

2018-10-15 03:37:32 UTC


2018-10-15 03:37:52 UTC

oh ya that's a good one

2018-10-15 03:38:17 UTC

but I still understand why IE leans more toward "identitarian"

2018-10-15 03:38:33 UTC

Americans want to hear about safety, money, borders, etc. The root ideology can be identiartianism, but frankly I don't think it's what middle American average Joe types want to hear or will feel connection with.

2018-10-15 03:39:23 UTC

eh, the argument on losing a sense of community is pretty strong

2018-10-15 03:40:10 UTC

I actually think most people would be more responsive to issues related to identity than some boring economics stuff

2018-10-15 03:40:15 UTC

Agreed, but it can be said without using vague metapolitcial terminology

2018-10-15 03:40:22 UTC


2018-10-15 03:40:51 UTC

Absolutely appeal to loss of community and what not I agree

2018-10-15 03:42:05 UTC

I would probably lean towards using "identitarian" with people who are personally interested in politics and have the patience to let me explain what that means, while using something like "nationalist" for people who don't have the energy to sit through that

2018-10-15 03:42:33 UTC

Or just don't use a label at all with some people, just go straight to ideas

2018-10-15 03:42:36 UTC

"White well-being" is awkward but a good catch all. It can mean anything from nationalism to community support or anything in between.

2018-10-15 03:43:19 UTC

i really liked "white well being" from No White Guilt (that's who i heard it from)

2018-10-15 03:43:59 UTC

I would just say use Nationalist frankly, using these estblished ideological terms kind of railroads you into talking points whereas drawing from a large pool of generally right wing ideas or popular feelings and events will make us a bit tougher for leftists to pin down and a bit easier for people to sympathize with

2018-10-15 03:44:07 UTC

"white well being" is non threatening and multivariate. Like JT's "white advocacy" (also good)

2018-10-15 03:44:28 UTC

I think being explicitly counter revolutionary to the left is going to be far more effective than revolutionary to the right

2018-10-15 03:45:13 UTC

"Identitarian" could appeal to more intellectual people

2018-10-15 03:45:38 UTC

it sounds smart

2018-10-15 03:45:55 UTC

also there's the people who are really into politics and know what it means

2018-10-15 03:45:55 UTC


2018-10-15 03:46:22 UTC

Gotta say, I think AltRight is still the best term from a purely marketing perspective

2018-10-15 03:46:23 UTC

Saying words to sound smart is kinda of a weird strategy because if they're actually "intellectual" they might just be unimpressed

2018-10-15 03:46:35 UTC

hmm good point

2018-10-15 03:46:56 UTC

Since CVille, we’ve been struggling to settle on a new term and nothing has stuck

2018-10-15 03:47:20 UTC

That's because the term was killed

2018-10-15 03:47:27 UTC

The brand was destroyed lmao

2018-10-15 03:48:24 UTC

No one ever analyzes what ideology NAACP is. They just are the NAACP. Let's just be IE

2018-10-15 03:48:45 UTC

I guess "identitarian" would be nice if it caught on, since "nationalist" has a bit of baggage, though "nationalist" had the advantage of being more well known. So, I would say use "identitarian" with people who are ready for it, and use "nationalist" with everyone else.

2018-10-15 03:50:00 UTC

This is a great article, finally catching up on it in full

2018-10-15 03:54:20 UTC

@Jacob yeah and it could possibly catch on but I'm not really counting on it. The ideology is sound but I feel like the term just doesnt have much power especially in America

2018-10-15 03:59:36 UTC

I think I pretty much agree with that

2018-10-15 03:59:58 UTC

@Matthias I zoned out when the author got to Frankfurt school apologia. I know it is important to read the enemy's internal discussions but the Talmudry is so contorted.

2018-10-15 04:06:05 UTC

Lord, make me an instrument of your will. Where there is injustice against my people may I bring right. Where there is error may I bring truth. Where my people despair may I bring hope. Grant that I may comfort my people rather than to be comforted - to serve them rather than to be served. For it is by putting the needs of my people before my own that I may best serve to secure the existence of my race and a future for White children. Good night, and peace be with you.

2018-10-15 04:07:49 UTC


2018-10-15 04:08:01 UTC

Blessed and Breadpilled

2018-10-15 04:10:29 UTC


2018-10-15 04:10:32 UTC

Rare NPC

2018-10-15 04:13:05 UTC

At a certain point we need a name and to stick with it. Taking on "baggage" is just a function of its use in the passage of time

2018-10-15 04:13:30 UTC

Anyone who listens to us for five minutes knows we're White Nationalists

2018-10-15 04:15:40 UTC

Better to be who we are than scurry around looking for strange new words to euphemize it as if we're ashamed

2018-10-15 04:18:07 UTC

@Singleton Mosby WV Not religious at all but that is easily something I could see myself saying in dark times

2018-10-15 04:20:30 UTC


2018-10-15 04:21:22 UTC

>Americans want to hear about safety, money, borders, etc. The root ideology can be identitarianism, but frankly I don't think it's what middle American average Joe types want to hear or will feel connection with.

That's probably true, but there's already a Trump movement addressing those issues. We can touch on them as well, but if we abandon our niche we'll become an ineffective version of the Proud Boys.

2018-10-15 04:24:24 UTC

I really don't think there's an effective youth movement for the populist trump types. There's not a positive org for Anne Coulter and Tucker Carlson types. They all ended up in negative spaces like TPUSA. Tapping into that energy would yield us a larger membership and influence base especially if we're able to get on Tucker and what not regularly representing the youth aspect of the movement

2018-10-15 04:24:57 UTC

Then we'd have to explain why we only allow Whites into the organization.

2018-10-15 04:25:34 UTC

And if we opened the organization up to non-Whites, we'd lose most if not all of our current membership, and probably find ourselves with a dumber and less dedicated organization.

2018-10-15 04:25:58 UTC

Never said open up to non whites

2018-10-15 04:26:18 UTC

Bring conservatives to us not us to them

2018-10-15 04:26:28 UTC

Use rhetoric and policies that will make non whites disinterested without being explicity white only

2018-10-15 04:26:50 UTC

Or just flat out don't address it

2018-10-15 04:27:00 UTC

That's ridiculous dude

2018-10-15 04:27:03 UTC

I actually agree that we should tap into them

2018-10-15 04:27:20 UTC

We should create front groups to do not

2018-10-15 04:27:29 UTC

Well, given this organization's founding it's a bit late to try to trick people into believing we're something we aren't.

2018-10-15 04:27:39 UTC

"boy I love milk, farmers markets, and craft beer" <-- this should dissuade nonwhites from coming

2018-10-15 04:27:46 UTC

We should never dilute the real group

2018-10-15 04:27:58 UTC

Goodnight ladies and gents.👏

2018-10-15 04:28:05 UTC

Goodnight @hbutzer0511

2018-10-15 04:28:30 UTC


2018-10-15 04:28:43 UTC

We could do our explicit rheotric and slogans through college rep groups and other trump style groups

2018-10-15 04:29:50 UTC

This sounds like 4D chess to break away from the stigma that comes from speaking sincerely about race and identity -- that's really not going to happen at this point, again, given the organization's history.

2018-10-15 04:30:19 UTC

But just explicitly being an effectively revolutionary right group with an extremely obscure metapolitcial lexicon I just frankly don't see as getting incredibly far

2018-10-15 04:30:23 UTC

Our purpose isn't just to network -- it's to send a message. If we're not speaking honestly about these issues, who will?

2018-10-15 04:30:40 UTC

Sorry to hear you don't believe we'll succeed @Kingfish

2018-10-15 04:30:47 UTC

I hope we prove you wrong.

2018-10-15 04:30:51 UTC

Isn't membership growing?

2018-10-15 04:30:55 UTC

If you're not explicit on race what is even the purpose of any of this

2018-10-15 04:31:49 UTC

There's something to be said for avoiding fringe issues, using more American/Trumpian aesthetics, etc. -- but we're already doing that. As to the term identitarian -- I think it's good, but I'm not opposed to nationalist either.

2018-10-15 04:32:03 UTC

The left long marched into our institutions and effectively took over our country while being completely disingenuous with the people. They preached love and peace and laughed all the way to the bank with a Marxist/leftist root only seen by the top echelon

2018-10-15 04:33:05 UTC

You don't think there was a radical vanguard?

2018-10-15 04:33:41 UTC

Whenever someone asks me where I stand politically, I always just say I'm a nationalist to avoid having to explain identitarian, its definitely good for normie conversation

2018-10-15 04:34:10 UTC

How many times since the 50s have we learned the lesson that masking our true intentions does not work except to actually degrade those intentions into what we wanted to overcome in the first place (the mainstream right)

2018-10-15 04:34:14 UTC

I understand toning down the message to normies so you don't get doxed, but identitarian is specific, whereas nationalist can be a bit vague.

2018-10-15 04:34:24 UTC

e.g. civic vs ethnic/racial

2018-10-15 04:34:31 UTC

If it's any consolation the Left has also overplayed their hand and has no idea of how to operate when we go on the offense instead of staying on defense

2018-10-15 04:34:44 UTC

The disagreement here I think is as to whether or not we should be explicit, or rather how explicit we should be

2018-10-15 04:35:00 UTC

@Reinhard Wolff lmao I literally never said I don't think we'll win I even said earlier I think the ideology is strong I just don't being explicitly in your face about is going to get too far I think the networking and infrastructure will be far more important. I don't really appreciate you representing me as being against the org or our cause though. I'm not saying were doomed I'm just saying the infrastructure and the network will prove more effective long term and that our rhetoric with adjusted would grant us more of that.

2018-10-15 04:35:06 UTC

I joined IE because it was explicitly white, well run, professional, and obviously growing.

2018-10-15 04:35:15 UTC

I'm a supporter of this approach. The way the Overton Window works is that you always get less than you bargain for. That's why we need people to be radical. Not extremist, but radical.

The left won using front groups, but still had more radical groups both to funnel people into, and to pull on the Overton Window.

2018-10-15 04:35:19 UTC


2018-10-15 04:35:31 UTC

@Ald we are explicit on race but not abrasive on it. Many groups have walked this line. It's harder for us because the media controllers hate us, but in the end people will still want to hear how we describe ourselves from our own mouths, and it's important not to give the media any records to present us as speaking for ourselves badly

2018-10-15 04:36:02 UTC

>But just explicitly being an effectively revolutionary right group with an extremely obscure metapolitcial lexicon I just frankly don't see as getting incredibly far

"I don't see as getting incredibly far" -- this doesn't refer to us? Which other right wing group with an "extreme obscure metapolitical lexicon" (identitarian?) were you referring to?

2018-10-15 04:36:05 UTC

We're talking about IE.

2018-10-15 04:36:50 UTC

I'm saying in our current position how everything stands

2018-10-15 04:37:00 UTC

Not the org not the members not the future

2018-10-15 04:37:09 UTC

Right, one should be as optics friendly as possible *within* explicit White advocacy toward an ethnostate, or else what are we really doing here @ThisIsChris

2018-10-15 04:37:19 UTC

Which group were you referring to?

2018-10-15 04:37:19 UTC

I'm just offering ideas as to how we can expand our realm of influence which is an overall positive

2018-10-15 04:37:27 UTC

"not the org"

2018-10-15 04:38:16 UTC

Another important issue to keep in mind is that if we promote civic nationalism "for more", by the time we're "ready" for identitarianism, there won't be any identitarians left to help you promote it. That's why the left need radical groups to be their operations out of.

2018-10-15 04:38:17 UTC

Let's go easy on the animal posting

2018-10-15 04:38:22 UTC

I'm enjoying this discussion

2018-10-15 04:38:38 UTC

@Ald agreed, although we do need to be careful what we want, not to nitpick but we don't want to be explicit about wanting an ethnostate because in the end that may not be what we actually aim for in the real world

2018-10-15 04:38:40 UTC

Just so we're all clear, it is perfectly okay to have civil discussions about our strategy

2018-10-15 04:38:47 UTC

When I say not the org I'm saying not the org itself but the current status of our situation and our approach I think we'd benefit from a bit of a rhetoric shift and I think we're doing that so I'm fairly content. A lot of your speeches have had a populist lean and I'm pretty sure every time I've said how much of a good idea I think it is

2018-10-15 04:38:49 UTC

@micbwilli can you please delete and post that later?

2018-10-15 04:38:50 UTC

Sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt

2018-10-15 04:39:09 UTC

I never said we had no chance and I really like our slightly shifting direction

2018-10-15 04:39:13 UTC

I think a lot of normie cons are getting more receptive to something more radical especially after Kavanaugh, they will respect us if we are strong and maintain our positions instead of cucking or keeping our agenda secret

2018-10-15 04:39:14 UTC

I just want that made clear

2018-10-15 04:39:17 UTC

@ThisIsChris What more could we want? Who else will struggle for the ideal for us?

2018-10-15 04:39:22 UTC

Glad to hear it @Kingfish

2018-10-15 04:39:27 UTC

Yeah my bad boss

2018-10-15 04:40:32 UTC

I hope IE never stops being white only or explicitly for white well being.

2018-10-15 04:40:56 UTC

But my ideas still stand, and I think @Jacob has a great point with influencing groups like CR and other heritage groups indirectly rather than flatout converting them

2018-10-15 04:41:05 UTC

An effective radical vanguard should act as a center of gravity for everyone very broadly on our side, not as an ideological prostitute pulled this way and that by who we "need" to appease

2018-10-15 04:41:31 UTC

@Ald what we want is the right and ability to organize white people for their collective interest. This may happen in a state where whites are a super majority, majority, plurality, or less. We hope it's more, but realistically it could be less and we don't want to be painted with the bad parts of "ethnostate" if it's not actually important to our real goals

2018-10-15 04:41:38 UTC

I've considered this issue at length, and that's part of the reason we've shifted as we have. The problem, as I see it, is that the culture of our "movement" and organization is too radically racial for the average Tucker fan.

2018-10-15 04:41:59 UTC

If we dilute our message enough, people will leave.

2018-10-15 04:42:09 UTC

@ThisIsChris An ideal is a frame of reference that gives "important" or "unimportant" their meanings

2018-10-15 04:42:15 UTC

I agree I just want to see us be able to tap that message somehow without losing o it essence

2018-10-15 04:42:16 UTC

I do think there's somewhat of a happy medium, which is why the server rules as they are.

2018-10-15 04:43:59 UTC

@Ald on that I really disagree, because the ideal is something that is not realistic it is a gift to those that want to slander us. Richard Spencer can't talk to a reporter without them asking him how he's going to remove nonwhites from America for his ethnostate. Ethnic removal is not really something we are thinking about or have any concrete plans to think about.

2018-10-15 04:44:06 UTC

As long as IE is white only and primarily concerned with creating a better world / America for white people, I can roll with adjustments.

2018-10-15 04:44:15 UTC

In the truly long game, only an ethnostate addresses the conditions necessary for our guaranteed existence. I see it as a victory in itself that ethnostate has entered the lexicon of the politically minded

2018-10-15 04:45:42 UTC

@Nemets Russia has its ethnic divisions due to its huge size, but the environment and circumstances are different here.

2018-10-15 04:46:00 UTC

@Nemets This should be good Russian reading practice for me

2018-10-15 04:46:29 UTC

@Nemets Not saying there is nothing to learn though.

2018-10-15 04:47:09 UTC

@Ald I disagree, many ethnic groups in the world without a state. some minority groups even rule over their host country's majority

2018-10-15 04:47:24 UTC

@ThisIsChris One can have immediate goals like securing the border and freedom of association, increasing our birthrate and decreasing that of the colored, etc, and these are all good, but if we're serious about our indefinite existence we can never lose sight of the fact that races only exist at all because of isolation, and anything less than an ethnostate means some measure of mixture every generation until we're gone as a distinct people

2018-10-15 04:47:26 UTC

@Nemets That require aspects of state apparatus that at least tolerates such action.

2018-10-15 04:48:08 UTC

I'm thinking to myself, what is the plan for Europeans 10,000 years down the road?

2018-10-15 04:48:12 UTC

My 2 cents before I sleep. I think it's not good to cover a racial identitarian moment as anything else as it becomes apparent to others what it is about.

Someone I was listing to the other day was talking about predictive police algorithms. When they are told to avoid targeting blacks they just target a proxies like weave shops and places of high methol sales (not a joke).

The American Values or other so stated things are just a proxy for White culture and identity. You'll have all the negatives tossed at you for being an implict white group and none of the positives of being honest about what your group is.

2018-10-15 04:50:03 UTC

@Ald "if we're serious about our indefinite existence we can never lose sight of the fact that races only exist at all because of isolation, and anything less than an ethnostate means some measure of mixture every generation until we're gone as a distinct people" not true, so long as white-white couples produce more children that goes beyond replacing those lost

2018-10-15 04:50:44 UTC

We aren’t even doing that now though, @ThisIsChris.

2018-10-15 04:50:57 UTC

The ruling elite game, which is the best we can hope for outside an ethnostate, does not work, empirically. Look at Indians. Look at Persians. Look at South Americans. @ThisIsChris

2018-10-15 04:51:44 UTC

Regarding ethnostate. You can't get one by any means until enough people are racially conscious. Making whites racially conscious is the first task and I think IE is great at that.

2018-10-15 04:51:51 UTC

Conservative white couples have a high birth rate. They can overtake if their is no immigration.

2018-10-15 04:52:21 UTC

The number one goal is (legally and non-violently) replacing our current ruling class/establishment.

2018-10-15 04:52:49 UTC

legally, non-violently, in Minecraft

2018-10-15 04:53:00 UTC

Passing a few immigration bills while the media, academia, the donor class, etc. all pull the strings won't amount to much in the end.

2018-10-15 04:53:11 UTC

@dudelsäcke true, but my two points are 1. the point is sticking out your end goal as your first goal for criticism is very unnecessary, and 2. We should try to understand how we can be a prosperous people in a non-ideal world without trying to go "all out"

2018-10-15 04:53:36 UTC

What happens after we install a new political class could take many forms. I'm of the opinion that an all-White ethnostate in America is unlikely -- at least at this point -- but who knows where we'll be in 50, 100, 250 years.

2018-10-15 04:54:08 UTC

Defeating the Left is absolutely goal number one, though.

2018-10-15 04:54:19 UTC

Which is why we should be friendly with other Trump supporters.

2018-10-15 04:54:49 UTC

Someone just removed their thumbs up. I saw that.

2018-10-15 04:54:55 UTC


2018-10-15 04:54:58 UTC

@Jacob Brandenburg vs Ohio. It's not illegal to discuss replacement of our current political system with another type. We don't even have to Minecraft that one.

2018-10-15 04:55:19 UTC

Why not go "all out", if we can? No one will aim for it for us. We can talk about where we are presently, and what to do about it, but without a true ideal, what can we say we are actually moving towards? Can we struggle for something less than what we really want in our hearts? @ThisIsChris

2018-10-15 04:55:57 UTC

forgive me master, for I must go all out, just this once

2018-10-15 04:56:01 UTC

Ya, we should definitely try to make friends with Trump people. Proud Boys collaborated with Antifa to try to dox me, but, some, I assume, are good people.

2018-10-15 04:56:02 UTC

@micbwilli Major newspapers are openly demanding revision of the Constitution (no more 1st or 2nd A, no more Electoral College, no more Supreme Court)

2018-10-15 04:57:02 UTC

A lot of these guys just need some guidance, even if we shouldn't assume they're all our friends automatically

2018-10-15 04:57:24 UTC

@ThisIsChris, birthdate and demographics are all intertwined though. Whites have low birth rates because they are shouldering the burden of POCs and because of guilt and because of nihilism. These forces will only strengthen with time in a multiethnic country.

2018-10-15 04:58:07 UTC

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN But those are my favorite ammendments... 😟

2018-10-15 04:58:18 UTC

For anyone curious, Antifa took a picture of me, and Proud Boys spread it around and bragged that they confronted that white nationalist (me)

2018-10-15 04:58:31 UTC

@micbwilli Me too.

2018-10-15 04:58:35 UTC

What you're putting forward as an endgame just fails to inspire and I think most likeminded to us would agree @ThisIsChris

2018-10-15 04:58:39 UTC

So, exercise caution, but try to make friends with them

2018-10-15 05:00:07 UTC

I have even seen liberals and demSocs shilling to get rid of the senate ("why does South Dakota have as many Senators as California"- cat ladies)

2018-10-15 05:00:09 UTC

The ethnostate is the ideal, no doubt, its plausibility right now is out there but nothing great is easily or quickly gained. And it is great. A dream. A hope. Unlike trying to make it work amongst a teeming brown empire

2018-10-15 05:00:30 UTC

Just as an aside. FTN had a really good white pill in today's show. A recent large poll of voters with 65% white respondents had 35% saying they were going to vote in the specific interests of white people. 😀

2018-10-15 05:02:11 UTC

I like how you call blacks Bantus

2018-10-15 05:02:32 UTC

Listening to the first post hiatus "Fatherland" Episode, and Jim is praising IE highly. IE needs to keep doing what we're doing.

2018-10-15 05:03:05 UTC

TRS podcasts praise us a lot.

2018-10-15 05:03:21 UTC

Fatherland split from TRS but yup

2018-10-15 05:03:25 UTC

Oh, is he? Interesting.

2018-10-15 05:03:43 UTC

Could you link it with a timestamp?

2018-10-15 05:03:46 UTC

2hr 20 minute mark ish

2018-10-15 05:04:12 UTC

@Ald It'd be a nice bonus but it may not be an ideal. You can construct on paper an ideal version of an ideal ethnostate, but there's a lot of practical things now to be focused on.

2018-10-15 05:04:17 UTC

Do the Proud Boys really beat each other up while yelling out cereal brands?

2018-10-15 05:04:49 UTC

I think it was the Friday TDS that talked about the pre-IE operations of calling out anti-white professors on campuses.

2018-10-15 05:05:18 UTC

And the Bantus displaced the Khoisan. So much for pan-Africanism.

2018-10-15 05:05:24 UTC
2018-10-15 05:05:24 UTC

I liked that strategy but IIRC it was shut down due to legal concerns (targeting).

2018-10-15 05:05:30 UTC
2018-10-15 05:05:44 UTC

@dudelsäcke " birthdate and demographics are all intertwined though. Whites have low birth rates because they are shouldering the burden of POCs and because of guilt and because of nihilism. These forces will only strengthen with time in a multiethnic country." Agreed but all we can do is find out how to flourish and fight nihilism given our current circumstances, which are less than ideal but not impossible to work within

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