You tolerate this one

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Nothing's stopping anybody leaving the US.

People leave here all the time.

Lol.

I've seen the frog alot, What does it mean?

@sigruna14 I'm still undecided if I would actually support that policy in real life but I definitely see the merits. Which is why I said "kinda"

Yeah. I'm neither a communist, nor even a socialist, but I have to say that I struggle not to say that I'd rather live in circa October '89 East Germany than a minority-White U.S...

@Jacob Best to make a country nobody would want to leave rather than hold your own citizens prisoner.

Another way to look at it is it's like forcing parents to take care of their children. It's not really holding you prisoner, it's forcing you to be a good citizen and fulfill your obligation to your people to repay your ancestors.

That said, I oppose emigration controls, but I was just alluding to the relative importance of demographics vs. economic minutia.

@Wilhelm You are lucky, you obviously don't watch TV or spend much time online.

I try not to

@Nemets In hindsight, maybe. A hard call to make, but definitely an argument I'd be willing to entertain.

Both were devoid of organic spirituality, but the East had more organic social cohesion.

...which is ironic, considering that 500,000 or so East Germans were on the Stasi informant rolls.

I've talked to my mom about that

She said a big difference under communism is that they didn't have the same culture of chasing after money we have today

Communism is a complete failure it's end product is only starvation and death.

Yeah, there was more in the way of solidarity, partial due to being indoctrinated into it, but mostly due to the need to cooperate in order to compensate for the shortcomings of their respective economic systems.

Seek... a third way....

@Wilhelm That's not really true. Communism was a failure, but the idea that the typical person in the Eastern block was just starving is inaccurate.

Well, I wouldn’t say he’s too far off since a single communist regime literally starved millions of people to death

I'm talking world wide. It is a Jewish idea in order to subvert the west. It does not recognize human nature.

Our enemies are pushing the worst hybrid of left (social control, degeneracy, open borders, and police state) with the wort aspects of right (corporate rule, widespread poverty, environmental damage, military imperialism)
We must devise a hybrid of the best aspects of the old left and old right to combat.

@Bjorn - MD No, socialism definitely has some benefits towards social life. If properly implemented, you don't have to worry about working 40 hours and starving while your corporate boss gets rich, and mothers can actually take care of their children instead of working all day.

@Jacob Not starving, but malnourished. After their victory over Iraqi armored forces in the Gulf War, American tankers disembarked from their Abrams and M60s to hop into the Iraqi Army's Soviet-exported T-72s to take a look, and were shocked to find that many of them couldn't fit, because the average Russian was about six inches shorter than his White American counterpart, and underweight, due to not having access to enough food during their formative years. Since the fall of the USSR, even with strictly organic agriculture, every successive generation of Russian children has been taller and heavier than the last.

Like NoKo vs SoKo heights/weights

@Bjorn - MD Were these soldiers?

American soldiers in Kuwait, but the Iraqi hardware was built to Soviet specs.

@NITRODUBS Communist regimes were run by bad people, but there are some merits to socialist policies. No one here is defending literal bolsheviks.

Capitalism is so much more moral and superior in nearly every way..

@Jacob I'm definitely reconsidering some of my preconceptions, but I also worry that part of what made Europe, and now us so soft and vulnerable is the kind of mentality created by the welfare state...

Ehhh that’s where I have to disagree. Valuing personal profit over the success of your community isn’t very moral

Communism and international capitalism are both pretty bad

@Wilhelm Look who's financing the left. It isn't hippies living in eco-villages....

One of my earliest realizations that jolted me this way was the realization that we couldn’t have certain nice left things (like single payer healthcare and functioning public infrastructure) since so much of our money is going to fund the third world daycare state.

Both communism and capitalism are immoral. Whatever precedes the -ism is implicitly what's considered most important. As a nationalist, I can be neither a capitalist nor a communist, because as the word "nationalist" implies, what's most important to me, beyond the more specific context of my kith and kin, is my nation.

at least international capitalism has lifted the masses out of extreme poverty. ideal? no, but even severely flawed capitalism is better than communism

If you succeed in Capitalism everyone around you also gets the benefit of you spending your extra money.

@ophiuchus Exactly. I wish someone would run on the platform of "universal healthcare / no immigration" I bet they'd make a big splash.

@Bjorn - MD Our ancestors went thousands of years living in small communities where they helped each other out. They were always, to some extent, socialistic, and it worked. What happened is the pursuit of money took over.

I definitely would want social safety nets for the less fortunate. My mom is a widow, I know how it feels to be *that* burden, or what’s seen as a burden under capitalism, when it is entirely bad luck and misfortune. People shouldn’t die or suffer because of bad luck under a functioning society

@Wilhelm Capitalism also makes the internally consistent, purely-profit driven argument: pave every forest, import 60 million somalis and build 60,000 wal-marts for them to work in. GDP goes up!

I was always hard right or libertarian since I didn't want to give money to people who hated me via welfare. In a white country I'd be ok with a mixed market that is a happy medium between socialism and capitalism.

having come down the libertarian-to-identitarian pipline, i'd be much more comfortable paying taxes for welfare for the actually needy in the ethnostate than what we're paying taxes for now

Mixed economy best economy. Private property, private ownership of the majority of corporations, but a system in place to protect our most vulnerable and ensure the wellbeing of our people in addition.

@NITRODUBS That is what families, churches and other groups are for.

International capitalism did not lift the masses out of poverty. Rapid development happened largely through government investment, and the quality of life of the masses did not improve until labor movements demanded it.

@ophiuchus this tbh

I feel like if you have much of any socialism it will every grow until you pretty much have Communism.

“Ideally,” the state and the people are a family, metaphorically.

Ironically, for as much as the Boers are touted about as paragons of capitalistic development, if you actually look at how their economy, and particularly public services were structured, it was basically lower-case "n," lower-case "s" national socialism.

I have objections to most social policies in this country now because my money is going to fund people who actively hate me because I am a white man and who would literally never do the same were I in their position.

@Wilhelm capitalism undermines the church and the family.

Why strive to have a family or children when you could have a nice car, or a lavish life of sexual freedom and luxuries? Why have religion when you have all the money and the power to do whatever you please, like a god?

Capitalism will monetize the destruction of morality. That’s why things are how they are now. That’s why MTV exists, why gay weddings exist, why pornography exists.

And capitalism in no way, will ever reward dignified ethics

@Wilhelm That's like saying if you have any bit of capitalism it will grow into corporate tyranny

Some may choose that life but they will find that it is meaningless and will have to except that they must have morals to live a happy life

Gays, and Trannies and (((empowered))) women and peacocking brown males are ideal consumers. Pozz, anti-white world is FOR international, left-corporate capitalism

I believe in the right to work yourself into whatever luxury you wish for, but I however, do not believe humans are entitled to destroy nature or values to achieve those luxuries

Even if you look at Sweden, and I don't see what they have, or even what they had in the mid-70s as an ideal model, they had some of the highest taxation in the world to fund all of their programs, but they also had perpetually balanced budgets, and by virtue of the fact that everyone in the country was basically the equivalent of, at least, a fourth-cousin, they felt guilty about taking advantage of welfare, and so largely didn't.

Communism ignores vital realities that are important for personal happiness, penalizes innovation and the drive to work towards a better station, and inherently begets eternal revolution. Capitalism, in an unfettered sense, leads to a worship of greed, *avaritia gratia avaritis,* and leads people to value profit over the wellbeing of the state.

@NITRODUBS at what point is it destruction? Most companies either do voluntarily, or are forced by the state to become net-zero in waste.

I’m about to finish a degree in finance, believe me, these people are not our friends.

Could we talk this out on the general voice.

maybe for a few minutes

I'm gonna have stuff to do later

anyone else want to hop in?

@NITRODUBS Could you join I want to understand your view

Long story short, though, there are a lot of ideas that I'm willing to entertain, and even test on a local basis, and I think that that can be sustained, so long as we retain radically free speech laws, are armed to the teeth, and have private education, albeit possibly with vouchers, so that access is sufficiently widespread so as to be electorally feasible.

I’ll hop in for a little bit

And destruction, generally, is when you begin to destroy vital parts of an ecosystem, or create noticeable or irreversible changes the general cycles of an ecosystem

My headset crapped out, so I don't have a mic, but I can listen in, lol.

Capitalism has to be restricted to protect the environment, but it's not as simple as capitalism = degenerate. The market generally provides what people demand. It's the media that is convincing people to demand vices

Check out @KTHopkins’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1050290347279077376?s=09

@Wilhelm @Jacob @NITRODUBS @TMatthews The most essential thing about identiarianism is that we're all more-or-less rational people, so as long as our political system isn't being polluted by the views and agendas of interlopers, we can essentially work out whatever disagreements we have, and adjust our approach, depending upon what proves to be successful, and what doesn't...

Well, maybe not *most* essential, but it helps, lol.

For sure. In a healthy homogeneous society, we would also have civil political debate again

Exactly.

So each country can figure out what suits its needs

...because we'll be a *we* again, rather than struggling against all of the uninvited in a prisoner's dilemma-esque, every-man-for-himself scenario.

@Jacob ...not to mention that it's up in the air, whether or not we'll even have corporations, at least in the current sense, when our laws actually acknowledge the reality that only *people* can be considered to be people.

...and I think that it's pretty telling that, as the Orania Movement in the Northern Cape province of South Africa has continued to develop more and more into a thing, the supposedly dogmatically capitalistic Boers there are very much demonstrating an awareness of the value of cooperatives and the commons.

Animal of the Day is Opossum.

Lol

Press P to Pat the possums.

P

BASED. North America's only marsupial. And consumes thousands of ticks a year without contracting LYME.

Honor the Possum, he fights for your health!

PPPP

https://www.caryinstitute.org/newsroom/opossums-killers-ticks

I almost forgot to post one today.

Boomers are interesting people...
https://youtu.be/TSFnHHuYXjg

Used to have a huge possum in my backyard couple years back

This is the longest possible roadtrip in the world. Who will join me?

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1050519152992108544

Not bad!\

@Hakujin - CA Wouldn't it be longer if you went South?

@Jacob @Wilhelm One thing that I find interesting, for instance, is the evolving structure of the Russian economy. Now, corruption is obviously much more of a problem over there than it is here, and part of that is cultural/maybe even genetic, but I think it's mostly just due to social inertia from the Soviet period. That said, though, Russia has lower barriers to entry in a lot of sectors than the States, they have a 13% flat tax on income, and a home ownership rate somewhere around 90%, but they also make sure that the commanding heights of the economy, particularly concerning natural resource deposits, are dominated by what Putin refers to as "national champions," such as Gazprom in the case of natural gas, the United Aircraft Corporation, the United Shipbuilding Corporation, and RosTech in the case of high technology, all of which are majority controlled by the state, usually with a 51% stake, and the rest of the investment covered by private capital. That way, there's ample room for free enterprise, but no sector can be seized and dominated by foreign parties.

https://twitter.com/KANTBOT20K/status/953087885842046976?s=19 check the tweet date.

incredible

@Deleted User Just wrong...

Socrates was a ...!

@Jacob Maybe if you went offroad, this is just with roads.

@Hakujin - CA https://wikitravel.org/en/Trans-Siberian_Railway Take the train instead. VERY EUROPEAN

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Very INDO-European 😎

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN But does it go from Portugal to Russia?

@Hakujin - CA I'm sure you can take a different train(s) from Lisbon to Moscow

Trains go slower, and often through more interesting scenery. You can interact with new, interesting people, and maybe get into a murder mystery.

Sleeper cars solve the issue of transport + lodging.

Also solves the question of "what to do with the vehicle" when you get to Vladivostock

@ThisIsChris There's definitely truth to what you're saying, which is why I'm extremely wary of the state retaining control over education, because so long as that remains the case, the state's in a position to dictate *which* societal norms are cultivated and perpetuated...

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Lisbon,+Portugal/Moscow,+Russia/@46.8940857,5.2715993,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m16!4m15!1m5!1m1!1s0xd19331a61e4f33b:0x400ebbde49036d0!2m2!1d-9.1393366!2d38.7222524!1m5!1m1!1s0x46b54afc73d4b0c9:0x3d44d6cc5757cf4c!2m2!1d37.6172999!2d55.755826!2m1!5e2!3e3?hl=en

When you get to Vladivostok you drive the car to japan

Hold your breath

Get big enough tires and you can float-drive.

They're actually getting ready to build a bridge from Hokkaido to Sakhalin, which already has one to Vladivostok 😎

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why am I always the one that gets mic cucked lol

Can you drive cars through the Tsugaru tunnel?

I wanted to hear what you are saying am so sorry

@ophiuchus Not sure...

If so you’ll be able to drive from London to Tokyo, which is completely unnecessary and also dope af

We gotta build a bridge from Alaska to Chukotka

So long as the ground has already dried from spring showers, and there's no snow, then you should be able to drive from one side of Russia to the other in one piece.

Looking over Chukotka from a plane window was super cool

I can imagine...

>looking at absolute frozen wasteland, looks like the moon
>comfy with a blanket and some hot tea

Maximum comfy

@Jacob Yeah, but Canada's also responsible for pretty much ZERO medical innovation; they piggyback off of us.

They were the first to synthesize insulin I think

https://youtu.be/-QM9SL5dDLM

They suck now tho

>tfw 1/8th leaf

Kill me

How difficult is it to iron a flag?

Depends on the material

It’ll melt polyester

@Bjorn - MD Canada has plenty of medical innovation https://www.contactcanada.com/database/companies.php?portal=4&s=0&l=90

It also has a population smaller than California

Even low heat? then wash it on cold and hang it outside

@ophiuchus Not sure when that was, but I'm kind of talking about the post -1930s dynamic, after the reforms championed by Tommy Douglas, which resulted in the present Canadian healthcare system.

actually California has a slightly bigger population

Why is that yelling into the camera?

It was 1923 apparently

Guy*

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@ThisIsChris @Wilhelm I just looked it up. Canada has a higher life expectancy. If people were dropping dead from long wait times, this wouldn't be the case.

The more you yell into a camera the more correct you are

I don't know, dude. If you look at the number of new techniques and medications introduced, which is obviously a flawed metric, but even if you rate it per capita (*gasp*), I can't help but imagine that there'd be a *pretty* significant differential...

no one is yelling man

@Wilhelm He means in an above posted video

o sorry

@Wilhelm It's all good

I'm an intense guy. Deal with it.

Canada is a haunted place

@Bjorn - MD link me statistics

@Jacob >I can actually back up my views with studies, lol.

I can defend my Canada is haunted argument

Step 1, go to Canada

Ohio is a haunted place

Be thankful this isn’t Cyrillic and you don’t live in ON

Washington, DC is haunted by the specter of its formerly functional self.

Birmingham used to be the Detroit of the south in the old sense of Detroit- now it’s the Detroit of the south in the new sense of Detroit.

@Bjorn - MD I mean... I haven't seen any evidence that Canada's medical system damages immigration

Our DA was arrested for perjury and our police Chief was arrested for masturbating in public.

@ophiuchus Vicksburg, Mississippi before that, but then it pretty much got cratered during the war.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN I also ran through a good week of AmRen articles for my normie friends which will lead to them joining.

But lets focus on the flag and my personal demeanor.

Thats' you?

yeah thats me

@Jacob American Arirang Games and mass gymnastics displays when?!

so now you know

Well you are brave for showing face.

were gonna need to be pretty brave to acomplish what we want

(iron your flags)

just for you I never will

Lel

I will actually watch the vidya since it's an IE member.

(many videos get posted here)

@NITRODUBS Yup!

MANconomics 😎

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@TheWhiteRationalist You have a catchy, staccato delivery. Not bad! Also I commend flannel nationalism.

lol thanks

all flannels must be nationalized

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN and if I may be frank I feel there are enough youtube content creators that drone on with facts and figures about how right we are but there arent enough that just take the gloves off and get to the point.

Wypipo be dyin an sheet

scientists btfo

You're not wrong. Splash as big as you can until they censor you. Short videos are often more likely to be watched too.

@NateDahl76 If I wanna do science I'll go to work lol

heh jump in voice chat

Congrats on getting your membership btw

@NITRODUBS @Jacob

Based

@NateDahl76 thanks brah!!

IT DO

I’m glad people are finally no longer buying into the “wow based black science man” hype

God that was annoying

I will admit, though, that up until disturbingly recently, I was still prey to the Jewish Science Man phenomenon (Carl Sagan and Bill Nye).

@NITRODUBS Central Time cucks BTFO

Carl Sagan same for a while, Bill Nye has gone completely off the deep end recently

To be fair Carl Sagan probably would have too

For sure.

Ohio is EST

I just got nae nae’d

Gotta admit, though, those Sagan "Spaceship of the Imagination" sequences were cozy af...

Carl Sagan’s cosmos is still v comfy sleepytime material

@TMatthews Oh, wow. Time-illiterate cucks BTFO

80s synth music and his very droning voice make for relatively comfy tv

I have a bit of sentimentality for "Cosmos" the book. But Sagan was a turd IRL.

Black science man’s Cosmos was physically painful

Agreed on all counts.

I didn’t know it was possible to portray smugness like that

Lol

Just. Incessantly and so saliently.

Yeah. There's a little bit of uppittiness goin' on there...

“This is a supernova” can be delivered the most smarmy, condescending way possible by that man.

Amazing, really

Medically fascinating

Yep. The "comma troglodyte" is understood to be parenthetical, lol.

<:redpill:439924063377555497> <:galaxybrain:366743669484683264> "Polyamory" is a codeword for cuckoldry.

@Bjorn - MD It is known

Sorry, I just realized that anyone who's seeing my messages, but not listening to the voice chat, probably thinks I'm being pretty random right now, lol.

I'm in there

I knew that much... 😎

I meant the other peeps, lol.

like swimwear

Eww...

@Bjorn - MD Many such cases. Sad! It is nearly every time the hotter partner (usually the woman, but sometimes the man) being so hedonist and unscrupulous that they want to rework ethics [the most popular polyamorous text is actually titled "the Ethical Slut"] to excuse them to pork around while keeping the beta around for security/validation. The beta partner goes along with it due to some combination of desperation, low confidence and third-wave-feminist brainwashing away all of their natural pride and instincts.

Much like the dissolution of our society in current year (+3) has made stable, lifelong vocation difficult to find and obtain, so too have the same forces made LOVE into transient, part-time "gigs."

In other words, Polyamory-pursuing partners are the Sexual 1%. And we all know who is disproportionate in the 1%

can someone explain a few of these custom emojis to me?

I dont get them

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@TheWhiteRationalist <:varg:359010745192808449> This is Varg Vikernes, Emperor of Europe.

ok. what does he mean lol?

Help ! @everyone I am a member of a Maga-pede Pro-Trump conservative group in my norime life and I'm trying to convince them that Ben Shapiro is not "Right wing" nor does he have the best intentions for our country. Can some of our members help me make a list of examples and talking pionts that I can use on these Mage-pedes without exposing my power level. This will be a huge help to me if I can get some help on breaking the Shapiro spell he has on conservative minded people ........just dm me you ideas

He indirectly supports globalism while supporting a jewish state

Good @TheWhiteRationalist

Exactly that.

HaHahHAhAHa

Disavows identity politics, except when it come to Jews and Israel.

@sigruna14 Varg would have to leave his van to lead anything.

hasnt he said hatespeech can be a crime?

might wanna verify that but I think I read some quotes

Please just Dm me the examples @everyone

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN It's an UAZ, not a van.