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2018-10-03 16:27:14 UTC

@Asatru Artist - MD I dont have a logo suggestion

2018-10-03 16:27:24 UTC

I don't know. I like the V.\

2018-10-03 16:27:30 UTC

Because I’ve never given it any thought

2018-10-03 16:28:08 UTC

Even if we are optics cucks, it's important not to distance ourselves too far from Charlottsville because otherwise you might invite people into our organization that won't appreciate it.

2018-10-03 16:28:10 UTC

I'm going to say it: Red, white, and blue.... is **Boring.**

2018-10-03 16:28:32 UTC

Regardless of the situation, our name will eventually be slandered again.

2018-10-03 16:28:34 UTC

i'm in favor of renaming the group *Amerimutts United* with a rainbow powerfist as our symbol

2018-10-03 16:28:35 UTC

literally every politician uses red/white/blue for their logos.

2018-10-03 16:28:41 UTC

It literally doesn't matter.

2018-10-03 16:28:53 UTC

It would just have to be the overall palette. Nothin' says we couldn't spruce it up with a little originality here and there...

2018-10-03 16:29:07 UTC

Just needs to be recognizably American.

2018-10-03 16:29:10 UTC

Maybe but red white and blue has the advantage of being meaningful to everyone whereas a teal triangle is also boring and conveys nothing to practically everyone

2018-10-03 16:29:11 UTC

@Asatru Artist - MD It would be much easier to attract funding and humam capital if we rebranded. If we think that's optics cucking, we will always be a fringe group.

2018-10-03 16:29:17 UTC

Changing the IE logo wouldn't get any of the Leftist outlets to stop calling us white supremacists.

2018-10-03 16:29:40 UTC

they aren't concerned with media, they want more people

2018-10-03 16:29:44 UTC

It would only end up confusing the normies and have boring civnats trying to get in our organization.

2018-10-03 16:29:45 UTC

i just want the *right* people

2018-10-03 16:29:49 UTC


2018-10-03 16:30:01 UTC

@Asatru Artist - MD Who just wants more people?

2018-10-03 16:30:02 UTC

I should mention, that Generation Identity uses a Greek symbol, with a Black/Yellow aesthetic, and they are doing **amazing** all over Europe

Because they carry themselves incredibly well, and prove the name slandering wrong

2018-10-03 16:30:04 UTC

@Rabbidsith But it might stop conservative outlets from doing it

2018-10-03 16:30:04 UTC

but in all seriousness, a rebrand doesn't have to be drastic.
for example, i've never been keen on the color teal and think red, white, and blue would have been better choices to catch the "pro-american" types

2018-10-03 16:30:14 UTC

@Virgil Nah. They're all cucked.

2018-10-03 16:30:32 UTC

we'll only have sympathetic media attention when these outlets literally have no choice.

2018-10-03 16:30:49 UTC

but to accept us and our ways

2018-10-03 16:30:52 UTC

i guess if we can get a ton of civnat tier whites in to give us more capital to work with to spread our message, and leadership stays the course, its whatever...

2018-10-03 16:30:54 UTC

parts of the organization's imagery could slowly be swapped out

2018-10-03 16:31:09 UTC

Even if you compare our optics to those of GI, the latter uses an ancient, but bold color scheme with regal origins (black and gold), whereas notwithstanding my own fondness for our color scheme, it's kind of fashwave-esque, and therefore specific to a particular time and subculture.

2018-10-03 16:31:10 UTC

@Goose that's what I'm worried about

2018-10-03 16:31:16 UTC

@Asatru Artist - MD Why not have them just donate to us? <:teehee:381917632359563264>

2018-10-03 16:31:53 UTC

but a rebrand shouldn't concern any members because the foundation and structure of the IE network will remain intact.
does putting on a new hat change who's wearing it?

2018-10-03 16:32:00 UTC

@Bjorn - MD Our logo is also ancient, Germanic, and uses a nice, modern aesthetic tho

2018-10-03 16:32:28 UTC

@Rabbidsith Tucker isn't cucked and Breitbart has a large following that could potentially support us

2018-10-03 16:32:56 UTC

We need to maintain our own brand. That in itself has meaning and recognition

2018-10-03 16:33:08 UTC

@Goose yes, the minute you put on a MAGA hat, you go full fasc, put on an antifa hat, you go full soy <:teehee:381917632359563264>

2018-10-03 16:33:25 UTC

@Virgil Yeah but the rest of Fox is cucked and Breitbart isn't going to support us until we have a lot more power.

2018-10-03 16:33:28 UTC

Agreed, but the lambda is far more well-known and recognizable, and right or wrong (wrong), Greco-Roman semiotics occupies a position of greater notability and prestige than Germanic, even in Germanic Europe, and Germany itself.

2018-10-03 16:33:36 UTC

I'm afraid people will associate an "Explicitly American group wanting to defend it's borders and maintain a White majority" with another group. It's to easy to make the comparison if we were explicitly American

2018-10-03 16:34:44 UTC

Rebranding would lose what name recognition we have, make our already printed stickers and flyers unusable, and seem like we gave up who we are to court civnats.
The only reason to rebrand is if we somehow lose the C-ville lawsuit, imo

2018-10-03 16:34:47 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo Only if we develop our own unique lexicon, and insist that every word therein begin with the same consonant, lol.

2018-10-03 16:34:53 UTC

I doubt that these people are going to give a shit until we have 10,000 members.

2018-10-03 16:35:35 UTC

*the mainstream media

2018-10-03 16:35:37 UTC

@Rabbidsith Right but the question is how do we get more power, by getting investors and capital. Which would be much easier if we had a name that was more marketable to the average American and potential investors.

2018-10-03 16:35:40 UTC

they already give a sh*t and we have around 1000....

2018-10-03 16:36:11 UTC

The face of us being a fraternity for European Americans, not only is that a great description of us, but it also negates any comparison people may want to make of us to nasty 1.0 organisations. It's very cunning and sly

2018-10-03 16:36:26 UTC

@Virgil I agree that we need investors and capital. However, losing what little brand recognition we have isn't conducive to that end.

2018-10-03 16:36:40 UTC

@Virgil Well most of our money is going to the Cvill lawsuit, but once that's done and over with, it's easy flying

2018-10-03 16:36:51 UTC

Evropa is also American because LARPing as Romans is an American tradition dating back to the founding fathers

2018-10-03 16:37:25 UTC

toga toga toga!

2018-10-03 16:37:27 UTC

Like I said, I'm not married to any particular means. If you think about things from another perspective, Generation Identity was a pretty unprecedented brand, and required a healthy amount explanation itself. Even if we were to retain the same title, though, at bare minimum, the color scheme would probably have to evolve over time.

2018-10-03 16:37:47 UTC

We're paying off a lawsuit **and** still doing huge events all around the Country, I'd say we're doing *just* fine on capital.

Monetary capital is not the only thing we need, social capital as well. Rebranding would make us lose one of the two essential buildings blocks we need to succeed to power.

2018-10-03 16:38:38 UTC

...and the Dragon's Eye is probably too esoteric. There are plenty of recognizably American symbols that are pretty edgy.

2018-10-03 16:38:57 UTC

@Rabbidsith By keeping the logo and the Identity part of our name, we wouldn't lose much in the way of brand recognition. Identity Columbia has a certain European and American ring to it that people can get behind.

2018-10-03 16:39:28 UTC

why not keep IE AND plant some seeds for a "new" org?
i know it would require much more work, but we could alwyas jump ship if need be

2018-10-03 16:39:28 UTC

When I hear "Colombia" I think of the third world hellhole of Colombia, no offense

2018-10-03 16:39:40 UTC

@Bjorn - MD im on board with the american symbol change

2018-10-03 16:40:09 UTC

But keeping the name

2018-10-03 16:40:21 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo /Identity Colombia/


2018-10-03 16:41:39 UTC

@Bjorn - MD The capital of the USA is the District of Columbia

2018-10-03 16:41:51 UTC

@Bjorn - MD The fact that nobody has heard of identitarianism is both a blessing and a curse. On one hand, it makes it hard to do the elevator pitch.
On the other, it allows us to explain what we stand for on our terms. Abandoning it for Americanism where we have to clarify that Americanism risks looking either civnat or WN 1.0 Overall, one of our greatest assets is that we define ourselves, not anyone who came before us.

2018-10-03 16:42:00 UTC

@Nemets Agreed. I'm just saying that the homophone factor could get dodgy.

2018-10-03 16:42:21 UTC

fortune 500 companies spend millions if not billions on rebranding.
it's usually done incrimentally or drastically, depending on the severity of need due to market or PR problems.
right now we are in a good spot (for now), but small adjustments down the line couldn't hurt

2018-10-03 16:42:29 UTC
2018-10-03 16:43:01 UTC

I was talking about Columbia, lol.

2018-10-03 16:43:09 UTC

That he was.

2018-10-03 16:43:14 UTC

@TMatthews I think the beautiful thing about that is the fact that we control the entire Identitarian movement by ourselves, which is a rare blessing.

2018-10-03 16:43:25 UTC

Colombia *is* great optics, though...

2018-10-03 16:44:08 UTC

I mean, we could just appropriate the great American figures in our activism and flyers

2018-10-03 16:44:10 UTC

if we were to use past presidents, might i suggest Andrew Jackson?
american af, broke the bank, and DT's favorite.
plus, the left is constantly trying to remove his statue in varying locations

2018-10-03 16:44:16 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo It's pretty much just us and GI (who also have good optics). Everybody else, especially PF just tries to copy us

2018-10-03 16:44:25 UTC

"Columbia" is even more confusing to normies than "EVropa"

2018-10-03 16:44:37 UTC

@TMatthews A sign that what we are doing is perfect <:deye:359010025223618570>

2018-10-03 16:45:00 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo We don't have to appropriate what's already *ours*... 😎

2018-10-03 16:45:18 UTC

We could change our name to Fraternity of American Traditionalism

2018-10-03 16:45:27 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo Columbia is a romantic name for America and has a long history of usage here in the US. Afterall our Capital and numerous other large cities and areas are named Columbia.

2018-10-03 16:45:45 UTC

Traditionalism needs a year or two more distance from TWP

2018-10-03 16:45:47 UTC

Or FAT for short

2018-10-03 16:45:55 UTC

@Nemets I'm partial to Jackson myself, but GW would make for a clearer claim to continuity.

2018-10-03 16:46:04 UTC

Columbia is as foreign to most Americans as the idea of American only meaning whites

2018-10-03 16:46:47 UTC

I didn't want to say it, but yeah, I've lived here for half my life and never heard 'Columbia' in a significant sense to normies

2018-10-03 16:47:06 UTC

@TMatthews Columbia has little name recognition at this point, but her image is familiar.

2018-10-03 16:47:11 UTC

We could change our name to a recursive function call that spells out our manifesto

2018-10-03 16:47:29 UTC

@Bjorn - MD i say use the imagery but not the name

2018-10-03 16:47:35 UTC

We could bring back Mrs. America, the lady with the shield

2018-10-03 16:47:43 UTC

@Nemets German-LARPing? Not familiar with that one...

2018-10-03 16:47:54 UTC

@Goose Probably a good call.

2018-10-03 16:47:58 UTC

So Identity Slavropa is off the table ?

2018-10-03 16:48:23 UTC

regardless of people's thoughts about WWII, the war propaganda posters use pretty solid imagery

2018-10-03 16:48:33 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo An American shieldmaiden? 😏

2018-10-03 16:48:46 UTC

@Nemets Oh, yeah.

2018-10-03 16:49:06 UTC

I just though you meant that he was an overall Germanophile.

2018-10-03 16:49:21 UTC

Strong woman imagery to own the feminists?

2018-10-03 16:49:32 UTC

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN joan de arc?

2018-10-03 16:49:46 UTC

@Goose wondering how media would cry about the optics of using allied inspired poster images

2018-10-03 16:49:48 UTC

Some sort of stylized eagle would not be a bad logo actually

2018-10-03 16:50:08 UTC

Eagle = nahtzee

2018-10-03 16:50:15 UTC

@Valaska i think it'd be a slam dunk for us

2018-10-03 16:50:19 UTC

Eagle was NatSoc, even if it was also USA and Rome

2018-10-03 16:50:21 UTC

I think the American woman with the shield would bring in a lot of Wamen, which would carry our organisation to the Mainstream better than we ever could

2018-10-03 16:50:21 UTC

Not gonna fly well with normies

2018-10-03 16:50:26 UTC

@Nemets Huh. Didn't know that. Did you ever hear McFeels' and Ethnarch's deep-dive about how he single-handedly started the French and Indian War, lol?

2018-10-03 16:50:48 UTC

@Bjorn - MD Village burner

2018-10-03 16:50:51 UTC

Yeah maybe. Stupid since it’s already an american symbol but prob right

2018-10-03 16:51:06 UTC

Definitely @Goose "wait a minute, this isn't German what do we do now"

2018-10-03 16:51:06 UTC

Washington was the second richest guy in the colonies (behind Morris)

2018-10-03 16:51:36 UTC

Our symbol could be a blonde trump toupe

2018-10-03 16:51:38 UTC

Oh I do like the woman Columbia though, still has that Greco-Roman feel too

2018-10-03 16:52:24 UTC

seeing the hammer and sickle up there disgusts me


2018-10-03 16:52:25 UTC

A lot of these questions can be addressed by a new poster campaign.

2018-10-03 16:52:34 UTC

@ThisIsChris Exactly, plus she'd make a good mascot for us

2018-10-03 16:53:02 UTC

Norman Rockwell / Hudson River school art / Columbia art on posters

2018-10-03 16:53:56 UTC

How about the American flag with a dragons eye where the stars are?

2018-10-03 16:54:04 UTC

@ThisIsChris That's her, yeah, she would be an amazing figure-head to appropriate

2018-10-03 16:54:15 UTC

Red white and teal ! <:deye:359010025223618570> πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ

2018-10-03 16:54:35 UTC

I would keep the flag blue. Just a DEye

2018-10-03 16:54:48 UTC

I don't think the American flag should be altered

2018-10-03 16:54:50 UTC


2018-10-03 16:54:57 UTC

Yeah I'm hesitant to do anything that may insult the US flag

2018-10-03 16:55:06 UTC
2018-10-03 16:55:08 UTC


2018-10-03 16:55:13 UTC

Good point. I guess it would trigger vets

2018-10-03 16:55:36 UTC

Just trying to split the differences being discussed here

2018-10-03 16:57:05 UTC

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN, our very own radical centrist.

2018-10-03 16:57:15 UTC


2018-10-03 16:57:41 UTC

It's really hard for normies to be against a beautiful, traditional woman

2018-10-03 16:58:07 UTC

current year would disagree with you...

2018-10-03 16:58:09 UTC

...and if we wanted to have a nice, esoteric giggle to ourselves, we can have her wearing a Phrygian cap 😎

2018-10-03 16:58:10 UTC

I say make Americana posters, keep name and logo for now.

2018-10-03 16:58:35 UTC

@Virgil damn that looks good

2018-10-03 17:00:09 UTC

The thing I like about Coloumbia, too, is that she hearkens back to the rugged individualism/still not-quite-settled, territorial West/Teddy Roosevelt era.

2018-10-03 17:00:13 UTC


2018-10-03 17:00:34 UTC

*forehead slap*

2018-10-03 17:00:36 UTC


2018-10-03 17:01:02 UTC

Yeah too bad no one knows that Columbia is another name for America these days

2018-10-03 17:01:18 UTC

Yeah... πŸ˜‘

2018-10-03 17:01:28 UTC

The obviously havent played bioshock infinite

2018-10-03 17:01:29 UTC

you can thank modern public "education" for that

2018-10-03 17:01:48 UTC

There is something very cool about triangular shapes. It brings to my mind thoughts of a phalanx in wedge formation...

2018-10-03 17:02:10 UTC

...to say nothing of the Pagan implications.

2018-10-03 17:03:09 UTC

@MrDefault Played the demos of 1 and 2. Those were some pretty awesome aesthetics...

2018-10-03 17:03:31 UTC

Very art deco-meets-cyberpunk.

2018-10-03 17:04:03 UTC

The interesting thing I like about the dragon's eye, is that it has several sharp points in a uniformed fashion, which can call out an aggressive feeling when people observe it, but due to the calming colour scheme, the aggressive feelings are negated, and instead you have an easy-on-the-eyes, clean, calming, yet assertive logo.

2018-10-03 17:04:30 UTC

Yeah 1 and 2 are what happens when individualism runs rampant and kills the city more so 1 then 2

2018-10-03 17:04:31 UTC
2018-10-03 17:05:20 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo From the research I've done on color theory and the dragons eye itself, this is exactly the purpose.

2018-10-03 17:05:32 UTC

@TMatthews "appealing to civnats" is a pretty disengenous framing of a reason to change. It's more like, putting **normal** imagery and **normal colors** and **normal** branding to our very **normal** views.

I take it then you are comfortable telling friends and family that you are in an organization who's former leader said, and I quote *"this is a sign that we have moved into a new era in the Nazification of America. "*

and *I work in HR firing niggers and spics all day. Before that I was in the army and I got to kill Muslims for fun. I’m not sure which one was better, watching niggers and spics cry they can’t feed their little mud children or watching Muslims’ brains sprayed on the wall. Honestly both probably suck compared to listening to a kike scream…*

You cool with telling Mom and Dad that you are part of that organization, or do you keep it a secret, making up excuses as to why you're leaving the house for 5 hours on a Sunday?

I 'm not, and I have paid the social cost more that I hope anyone should have to for our relatively benign views (not making myself a martyr here, just stating facts).

Wouldn't it be cool to have a normie friendly organization without violent rhetoric, a deadly rally and actual promotion of Nazi ideology?(regardless whether or not it was tongue in cheek). An organization that you could be proud to tell your boss that you were in, or your parents, or some stranger on a plane.

That vision may not happen with a new organization, but it CERTAINLY will NEVER happen with Identity Evropa. A few hundred dollar loss on flyering materials + merch, a new website, keep the twitter, the logistics are fairly simple. Lots of reasons to restart and very little to lose.


2018-10-03 17:05:45 UTC

Holy wall of text Batman

2018-10-03 17:05:51 UTC

lol sorry at lunch

2018-10-03 17:06:08 UTC

Not having a go at Tmatthews btw, just wanted to articulate my thoughts.

2018-10-03 17:06:32 UTC

SOO many reasons to make a new org, and very few downsides in my mind.

2018-10-03 17:07:17 UTC

@Deleted User Holy crap. I had definitely heard him indulge in a few faux pas, but didn't realize it was anything near that egregious...

2018-10-03 17:07:23 UTC

Oh yeah.

2018-10-03 17:07:40 UTC

Also, you know, lying about going to war.

2018-10-03 17:07:48 UTC
2018-10-03 17:07:52 UTC

Most Americans think that's pretty unchill.

2018-10-03 17:07:56 UTC


2018-10-03 17:08:12 UTC


2018-10-03 17:08:30 UTC

@Deleted User okay, you convinced me. Where do I sign?

2018-10-03 17:08:34 UTC


2018-10-03 17:08:59 UTC

I knew he wasn't fit for I.E but... dang, that's intense

2018-10-03 17:09:02 UTC

ADLSPLC voxvicemicbuzzfeed will know it's us and just refer to us as "_____, pathetically rebranded Identity Evropa"

2018-10-03 17:09:03 UTC

does anyone really even remember Eli though <:really:453005408064241674> <:teehee:381917632359563264>

2018-10-03 17:09:16 UTC

The media does.

2018-10-03 17:09:31 UTC

@Asatru Artist - MD He was in several documentaries

2018-10-03 17:09:44 UTC

and is all but forgotten

2018-10-03 17:09:52 UTC

but yeah, they can drudge that all back up

2018-10-03 17:09:55 UTC

"Identity Columbia" sounds like "Identity Venezuela"

2018-10-03 17:09:57 UTC

but never do

2018-10-03 17:10:03 UTC

they go to the ADL/SPLC links...

2018-10-03 17:10:13 UTC

If we're gonna change the name, let's not do that one

2018-10-03 17:10:14 UTC

He isn’t forgotten, every time the media does an extensive hit piece.

2018-10-03 17:10:30 UTC

Honestly I thought we dropped all the baggage of previous leaders' bad mistakes already, though I may be wrong

2018-10-03 17:10:34 UTC

Identity West?

2018-10-03 17:10:42 UTC

Men of the West?

2018-10-03 17:10:45 UTC

Thoughts on Identity Americana?

2018-10-03 17:10:47 UTC

Tolkien hours

2018-10-03 17:11:13 UTC

Western Identity?

2018-10-03 17:11:33 UTC

West = implies America and Europe both

2018-10-03 17:11:35 UTC

I've thrown out "America First Initiative" before.

2018-10-03 17:11:41 UTC

didn't someone say Americana is America in spanish or something? I don't speak border jumper...

2018-10-03 17:11:50 UTC

Operation Homeland?

2018-10-03 17:11:53 UTC

@Grossly Incandescent Not bad, we should definitely use Columbia woman as a mascot though

2018-10-03 17:12:07 UTC

@Virgil Yasss queen, slay. I agree

2018-10-03 17:12:08 UTC

>"border jumper"
LOL wut

2018-10-03 17:12:13 UTC

@Jacob *Scoffs* Colombia and Venezuela are like night and day... The former has muh free(r) markets... The fact that they're both sh#tholes is merely a coincidence, or a product of geography, rather than the fact that they share near-identical gene pools... 😏

2018-10-03 17:12:20 UTC

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Sure, and again, media reception is but one of many reasons to start anew. The more steps one must take to tie us to really atrocious statements or behavior, the more tenuous the link seems.

2018-10-03 17:12:29 UTC

@Kingfish would you prefer "Mexican"?

2018-10-03 17:12:55 UTC

Spanish is a European language

2018-10-03 17:13:01 UTC

No dude this may be surprising to you, but Spanish Is a language spoken in Spain. A country in Europe

2018-10-03 17:13:02 UTC

You know

2018-10-03 17:13:07 UTC

The continent were named after

2018-10-03 17:13:31 UTC

i understand that, but the invaders speak the same basic language at this point

2018-10-03 17:13:40 UTC

Compare the number of Spaniards to Mestizos.

2018-10-03 17:13:49 UTC

@Grossly Incandescent Yeah, that's actually occurred to me, too. It does have a ring, but I feel like it has at least one too many syllables to be a (*metaphorical*) war cry, lol.

2018-10-03 17:14:08 UTC

So the romance language of Spain should just be considered the language of a foreign people? We're just going to disregard it as lost and speak derisively of it?

2018-10-03 17:14:16 UTC

Good point @Bjorn - MD

2018-10-03 17:14:21 UTC

@Grossly Incandescent Identity Americana sound okay. I personally don't like the civnat ring it has to it and Ian might yell at me for saying this, but I get his point and I respect his opinion.

2018-10-03 17:14:25 UTC

Central Americans speak gutter spanish anyhow lol

2018-10-03 17:14:42 UTC

the Ebonics of Spanish

2018-10-03 17:14:53 UTC

Same could be said for German or French pretty soon if things don't Go our way. @Asatru Artist - MD

2018-10-03 17:14:56 UTC

A bastardized spanish not dissimilar to how Low income blacks speak english

2018-10-03 17:14:59 UTC

Gli Columbiani

2018-10-03 17:15:16 UTC

"Western Identity" I think has all the right notes.

2018-10-03 17:15:19 UTC

English is a fallen language we should all speak latin

2018-10-03 17:15:26 UTC

To be honest, I don't think I'd be here today if I saw a poster for a group that came off as civnat

2018-10-03 17:15:32 UTC

@Kingfish Plenty of sand people already speak German and French. 😒

2018-10-03 17:15:36 UTC

It is American but implicit white, and european

2018-10-03 17:16:08 UTC

@MrDefault The non-whites would just switch to Latin to leach off us again.

2018-10-03 17:16:13 UTC

@Asatru Artist - MD I agree but I wouldn't be so quick to derisively refer to it as an invading language

2018-10-03 17:16:18 UTC

Of foreign people.

2018-10-03 17:16:48 UTC

didn't know border jumper would trigger people πŸ˜‚

2018-10-03 17:17:03 UTC

What if we rebranded to Identity Europa and drop the V

2018-10-03 17:17:15 UTC

@Deleted User Based on the statements above: Patrick has been doing very well with giving us a better name, he's been getting all sorts of interviews on youtube with various significant figures, with similar, non-larpy views. We even got Jared to still advocate for us, despite the recent history with previous leadership.... though the history is there, I would argue that the baggage of the previous mistakes have lightened up, at least a little up for sure. My concern is if any of the previous baggage would come up to bite us way later down the road, though

2018-10-03 17:17:16 UTC

Is that a serious suggestion?

2018-10-03 17:17:16 UTC

Sorry pal I'm very thin skinned <:really:453005408064241674>

2018-10-03 17:17:18 UTC

still has the baggage ^ (mr default)

2018-10-03 17:17:28 UTC

@Deleted User No, lol.

2018-10-03 17:17:35 UTC

@Jacob We' d be reclaiming the american name and culture from the civnats

2018-10-03 17:18:18 UTC

"Society of Friends"

2018-10-03 17:18:26 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo baggage certainly could, but it would be harder - again just one of many, many reasons to make a new org.

2018-10-03 17:18:39 UTC

We don't have enough influence to reclaim anything right now

2018-10-03 17:18:48 UTC

We need to reclaim influence first

2018-10-03 17:19:04 UTC

@Deleted User I get what you're saying, but no matter what we call ourselves we'll be labeled supremacists by the ADL/SPLC. There is no way to be part of any pro-white organization without the risk of losing friends, family, career, etc. Hopefully that changes at some point, and I think it will as white identity politics inevitably gains steam, but a new name won't drastically alter how we're viewed

2018-10-03 17:19:09 UTC

I don't mind using the Civnats as a PR shield. Plausible deniability can be a good thing.

2018-10-03 17:19:31 UTC

@John Riggs I agree with this

2018-10-03 17:19:37 UTC

Some like to claim that Mexico is part of North America. Personally, I can't help but perceive it as an ethnocultural boundary, rather than a geographical one. Technically, the Americas are all one continent anyway, so it's otherwise ultimately arbitrary...

2018-10-03 17:19:52 UTC

GI is like half civnats half our guys

2018-10-03 17:19:55 UTC

@TMatthews It absolutely will. The ADL can call us whatever they like, but unless they have some manner of evidence, their claims fall short. Right now they can DIRECTLY tie us to David Duke, and a leader who glorified killing minorities and the nazification of america - they don't even have to lie.

2018-10-03 17:19:58 UTC

@Deleted User I understand, and see your points πŸ‘

2018-10-03 17:20:04 UTC

Oh, sorry. I'm still in the bastardized Spanish convo πŸ˜‚

2018-10-03 17:20:22 UTC

Identity America or something similar isn't really a *bad* name, but it definitely doesn't have the same appeal

2018-10-03 17:20:52 UTC

I've tossed out "American Identity Movement"

2018-10-03 17:20:53 UTC

I just want White Americans to wake up and have a home for themselves, nothing else matters to me at this point except to get a home for us, safely, effectively, and efficiently

2018-10-03 17:20:58 UTC

@John Riggs Problem is when it becomes so deniable that our guys don't even apply

2018-10-03 17:20:59 UTC

Donth thpeak that bathterdithed thpanith. Thpeak cathtilliano

2018-10-03 17:21:00 UTC

Lots of good suggestions out there

2018-10-03 17:21:52 UTC

@Deleted User We're part of a group exclusively for non-Semitic whites. That alone is enough to earn us the "neo-nazi" label in the eyes of most people. Unless you change fundamental policy/ideology, I don't think the name change does much, and the kinds of changes that would require are very much in the civnat direction unfortunately

2018-10-03 17:22:57 UTC

It's a fine line but shouldn't be impossible to dog whistle to our guys while still remaining 'family friendly' to the general public

2018-10-03 17:23:04 UTC

>Semitic Whites... 😏

2018-10-03 17:23:09 UTC

To be entirely honest, I think taking a more populist or American Nationalist rhetoric would yield far more results. Rebranding and aligning ourselves with the Tucker Carlsons and the Anne Coulters will immediately get us more air time and relatively more positive media coverage. I think We would also increase our base significantly. Giving these Trump movement types who are really too edgy for Republicans but not wignats a home gives us places to grow and mold a movement. In all honesty and I mean this with great respect, I'm not sure how much passion such an academic term and concept like Identitarian means to a patriotic right wing American with tangible problems we can help Solve. We can be Identitarians and care about identity, but creating a movement based on identity doesn't do as much as acting on it. The Trump Movement is a pretty untapped grassroots resource we could tap into hard with a solid rebrand and slight transition of rhetoric.

2018-10-03 17:23:51 UTC

A change to American Identity Movement or something like that wouldn't be a big deal either way, I think, so long as we can maintain a unique brand (identitarianism)

2018-10-03 17:24:57 UTC

Not saying I want a rebrand of any sorts... but if we ever do rebrand, I'd hope our vetting process is still top notch.

2018-10-03 17:24:58 UTC

@Kingfish Yeah, but we also have to be cognizant of the fact that Queen Ann and Tucker are, at least in part, lagging indicators of the headway that we make, so long as we don't screw up.

2018-10-03 17:25:44 UTC

@Kingfish When does that "slight transition of rhetoric" land us as full on civnats 10 years down the line though?

2018-10-03 17:26:36 UTC

Also we should just move the overton window far enough where **WE** are the only sensible option, not the other way around

2018-10-03 17:26:51 UTC

We don't have to be Identitarian spergs, but if we lose our vision and mission (ever so slowly), what was the point?

2018-10-03 17:27:05 UTC

I don't think we'd lose anything.

2018-10-03 17:27:11 UTC

The slippery slope is real for all things.

2018-10-03 17:27:21 UTC

Tucker is able to talk about race as much as he does specifically by framing it as "the left is obsessed with race and we should all just be individuals"
As a group built around a collective identity, we can't do that without giving up the essence of what we stand for

2018-10-03 17:27:36 UTC

Daaang... Random aside, but check out GI, uppin' their flyer game... (Translation: "This is Christoph Heusgen, 'your' traitor at the UN. In 'your name,' he will sign the 'Migration Pact' on 12/11. That means the following: Opening for ...244 million migrants, free entry into the social [security] system for migrants, sanctions for 'intolerant' critics,' etc., etc.")


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