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Rules for “totally not” Radicals: Have fun
Trump's failings are wearing everyone down.
I never knew yee
I may be a harsher critic than most, but I'm not certain we should be taking any cues, politically, socially or comedically, from a podcast called "The Daily Holocaust". If you like it, that's fine - but don't let it define/consume you.
@Papa Pizzagate it just exists so people can listen to it while they do crap.
It doesn't have that much sway
200k listeners of sway
We've become so myopic that we make excuses for that behavior - imagine explaining that to an old friend from middle school "the daily shoah, huh...what does shoah mean?"
The "shock jock" podcasting thing is what it is -- like or dislike it as you please. But it's just important to remember that some of the lingo, rhetoric, etc. isn't right for what we're doing.
I like the podcast First Things https://www.firstthings.com/tag/podcast
using TRS lingo irl is cringe and bluepilled
You just used TRS lingo
Much like how programming exists in our educational system, listening to any podcast-memes or for time comspution or otherwise- will always end up in your head one way or another
If you ever ((())) you TRSd
Wow it was almost like he was employing irony or something
did you not see the "IRL" part
Pretty sure "cringe and bluepilled" is Nick Fuentes lingo
It comes from Twitter IIRC
Play by your own rules, Gibson
As is "based and redpilled" <- Nick Fuentes
*very based and very redpilled* is a Patrick Casey exclusive
I’m gonna neg Gibson every time he uses TRS lingo anywhere 😂
Be nice goy's
everyone go see “They Shall Not Grow Old”
the WWI documentary with period footage
We were mockingly saying based and red pilled way before irony Twitter
this is mandatory viewing
You're both attending, right?
Becoming moral puritans is fail. TRS is important part of wider dissisdent movement and highly influential . You don't have to emulate them but no sense in attacking them.
This bit LOL
@Reinhard Wolff yes. Many of the vets interviewed talked about how they didn’t want to fight the Germans and how everyone just wanted to go home
The altright is over, done and dead. We really don't need to cling to it's remnants or its lingo. The edgy humor is mostly a crux at this point because people take it seriously.
It's good we have some recognition of WWI as more than just "that prelude to WWII"
Ian you know gibby doesn't come out to stuff
@Reinhard Wolff it was a room full of white people hearing a “no more brother wars” message. Really remarkable
and the colorized footage is stunning
If you become no funs then you lose
You make fun of him for it
whining about edgy humor is incredibly gay
Why are you asking
packed house btw
To mock him publicly?
You know his home situation.
That's hardly fair. I haven't really spoken to gibson in months outside of an odd DM.
4 months is plenty of time to make an excuse to be away for a weekend.
You know whe can't come stuff though roping him in like that is hardly fair
@Alex Kolchak - NY Yeah I see that is a Peter Jackson film, all I know is he also did the LoTR movies which have good messages too
So I take it the answer is no?
No he isn't coming
Alright, new topic other than Gibson
No mocking Gibson without him here 🚓
As far as I know
For the love of god
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Lol epic nice job we salute our mods
*guys*, “no more brother wars” applies to the general chat too
Let's talk about YouTube rewind being most disliked YouTube video of all time
And why there is pure arbitrage to be made short selling PC memes
Protests all over Europe. Is this a dream come true?
They'll fall short but add many more to our ranks as people ask why
protests halved in size on the 5th weekend, which was supposed to be the biggest one yet after macron made some concessions. agreed that it's a start
The protests decreasing is concerning
We're on track for the 100 year cycle.
Play the long game.
I'll pray for any miracle
demographically, the us doesn't project to have 100 years
Play the long game even so
Loosen focus on what isnt possible and look toward what is
Tbh zionists 200 year campaign is huge redpill on power of patience and dedication
If you're not living for yourself but rather your posterity than the long play is acceptable
Also there's huge amount of opportunity among working class abandoned by democrats. We should be first to bridge that divide. Republicans are too tepid about it.
We are going to be a minority, we're past the point of no return and the ship has already sailed. However the upside to that is, if we can accept it, we bought ourselves a lot more time. Also even if we are the minority, we'll still be the plurality and the most influential racial group in the US.
So things are not nearly as bleak as they seem. We still have time and even when we become minorities we'll still exist and so long as we exist we can expand again, once the conditions are right.
Yeah, also maybe we could assimilate the more whiter hispanics into white society? That would buy us about 15% more of a share of the population.
*Several people are typing...*
Only if they're actually white.... I don't want a bunch of le 56%
@ThisIsChris I think some of the more white Hispanics who know what’s up will throw in their lot with civilization, aka us
Hispanic is a linguistic designation, we need them to be classified by race like everyone else so that it divides up that group and gives is white Hispanics
We just need the blessings of the Amerindians.
My cousin is like, less than 20% Hispanic maybe. but acts 100%. It's odd
I do think we should do something to show we stand behind the Amerindian fight to maintain their identity
I think the most powerful and important thing we can do is continue to be Visionaries for our people. Vision is essential and foundational. The vision of racial egalitarianism is what has ruled the last 60 years. We can forge a new vision and own the future
why should we care if the amerindians fade to nothingness or maintain their identity
For political reasons
the natural conservatives of the reservation
When you are outnumbered alliances are gold
And it's like conservation of of any other animal
If we call ourselves ethno pluralist we lose Nothing by allying with other ethnicities towards separate futures
do people unironically think that amerindis are going to vote R
@Perihelion - CA yeah self-identified white hispanics are on average 75% genetically white anyway.
Do identitarians unironocally think that the Republican party is going to fight for whites?
We don't need a big tent and we don't need to win by voting.
We can win by memes. The Jews didn't win by being numerically Superior.
They won by controlling the narrative and institutions
We can do the same thing
not in the current iteration, hence why we're working to change that obviously konrad.
steve king is fighting for Whites, he's R
our only current legitimate path to electoral success is through R
They enemy did not win through internet memes
Yeah but that's only one R. Bernie Sanders fights for whites and he's D
Does he though?
ah right. "Socialite Democrat"
Book memes video memes. There were memes before the internet
Memes are better tbh. I hardly know how to read.
Statues were the first memes
Steve King is the most openly pro-White R. however, no reason to delude ourselves into thinking we have a chance to flip the D's away from their commitment to White replacement.
memes are indeed better at winning over today's youth than books lol
If you think memes don't include books then ironically you have not read enough
Me on the left
I think the point is more that we don't really have many books
Either way the only thing that will bring about the conditions we want is white frustration
When you consider that almost all of classical literature is on our side to some degree then I would say you're wrong
That's not what I'm saying. If it were just a matter of the material that has already been written then we wouldn't be in this situation
The ultimate resource on planet Earth is human attention. Direct it. Rule.
We are obviously going to have to take some action ourselves. And business as usual is not really the ticket to success
Yeah I don't think any one would argue against that
I'm not really sure what we are talking about to be honest. I just thought I'd chime in on here for a change
@Perihelion - CA ever heard of something called "the attention economy"? it's a similar idea
Thanks guys good to see ya
@NateDahl76 yeah isn't it funny how the IE people you hang out with most IRL rarely post on the server?
(general you, not you in particular)
Haha true indeed
Except for Asatru Artist in my case 😂
I'm not big on the online stuff I must admit
Anyway then I go to IRL things and people tell me they read all my posts and respond to them IRL, it's great
That'd probably be at the upcoming conference on January 12th if you are on the east coast
I've been taking a break from Discord, taking a page from Jacobs book. ;)
That was peak propoganda imo
Will there be another annual IE vid kinda thing
Videos are awesome, eternally grateful for the guys responsible
Amazing how much its grown and changed in just the coarse of a year speaking myself,let alone more so in the last what,3?
How old is IE now?
915 members so far
I can't wait to hit 1000
Let's talk about typical non dissident conservatives and what they find persuasive. In my experience, talking pretty openly about identarian views with friends and family I've found that the FACTS and LOGIC path has frequent hard limits on effectiveness. Many, if not most, people are not persuaded by pattern recognition and data alone, but rather rely on one or more sources of authority to dictate their views. I actually come from a sub culture in which debate is normalized and so was able to get down to the essential foundation of what established truth for many individuals. I summarize these alternative truth-sources as follows.
1. Instinctive social hierarchy . Many people feel what is right, wrong, truth and false. They do so instinctively. If you question this instinct enough it boils down to reliance on their social hierarchy. Friends, family, community leaders, personal connections. All ideas are passed through a filter which simulates their reactions. To convince these people: tune your message to their social network. Use language and arguments that their friends and family would find compelling.
2. Trust and Emulate. Many people recognize accurately that they have a limited ability to process and make sense of the world. A logical solution to this problem is find people you trust and want to emulate. These then become your self selected "gatekeepers." All new ideas are matched against things said by these people. To convince these people: use the truism espoused by their selected gatekeepers. Phrase things in ways which don't directly contradict their gatekeepers. Suggest new gatekeepers or if necessary point out (gently) disagreements between their gatekeepers and favor one side over another using a third new source.
3. Religion. This is an alternative version of (2) but the gatekeeper is a religious system and doctrine. All ideas are matched against the symbols and essential teachings of the religion. If they pass muster, they can be considered, if not they are discarded. Ideas which resonate with core teachings are given extra weight. To convince these people: appeal to their symbolic system using their language and truism.
4. Practicality. These people have one simple and pretty sensible question: how will what you're saying change my life? If you don't have an answer, they don't care. If you do have an answer, then it better be immediately practical and make immediate sense. The benefits should be clear cut and self evident.
Hey Tennessee folks --
My friend is moving to TN and needs a room to rent temporarily. He got a job which starts in January, but his family can't join him until June and he wants to get to the know the area before buying a house. This is what he wrote up for me to ask in here about :
I’m a family man who will be working full time during the week and out exploring the local area on the weekends. I just need a safe room to sleep in that I can rent on a monthly basis until I purchase a house and move my family to TN at the end of the school year. I would like to find a small room with a lock on the door and enough space for an air mattress and box of books. I'd like a bit of room in the fridge. I require nothing more. I don't smoke or do drugs. I like good German beer every now and again. I'm very quiet.
5. Moral frameworks. This is probably the most difficult to engage if the ideological territory is unfriendly. Some people have an absolute loyalty to certain moral principles which they find inherently, perhaps religiously, true. They will not negotiate on these unless you can discover a deeper religious principle with greater moral (read emotional) power. These people operate by filtering ideas through their system of moral rubrics. What agrees is kept and what does not is discarded. Fact are to be overcome by loyalty to moral vision. To convince these people: construct a moral argument using their own precepts. Carve out territory on which your ideas can stand using their principles. Find exceptions to rules and most of all appeal to their emotions.
Clarion, maybe @ the TN coordinator and see if he can repost your msg in his local server so they can talk it out
Now this is some intersectionalism that I can get on board with 😎: https://youtu.be/-xFiiLWgWYc
Yeah I saw a clip or two😁
Aw wish I caught Tucker tonight
Haven’t been around lately ladies and gentlemen how’s it going
This girl gets questioned by police for wearing braids....
Thank you Casey, very cool!
oh Michigan lads, a university has a problem with speech and white people...
@VinceChaos nice to see normie centrists are getting pulled in.
maybe now they'll start giving a damn
I wish for normie outreach reasons that the woman who got fired for not agreeing to not boycott Israel made it 100% about her American freedoms and not about Big Bad Israel. I'm working hard to get my normies to reframe their minds to caring only about Americans and not being World Heroes and Protectors.
As Vincent James said in regards to that video, “we disavow that nose ring”
@Clarion -FL i often use the "when a plane is crashing, you put on your own mask first before helping anyone else" analogy
Check out @PrisonPlanet’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1074751310786912256?s=09
And now you can use the meme also
also @Clarion -FL, what obligation does the US have to the rest of the world?
shouldn't we let other nations live freely without interference?
Made it to Miami today fellas
Gonna go to the turning point conference in a couple days
Miami is a shit hole and I hate it
Minimal whites and traffic is third world, I've never seen traffic this bad
Redbox those cucks
@Goose Although I think that's an excellent argument and we can hit it from every angle (and should), I stick to the "America Only" point. I never make an argument that what we should/not do is good for another country (even if it's also good for us) because what I want to do is completely break the chains of the mental framing that what we do or do not do should ever have any framing for another country. Ever.
America Only > America First
It’s a great point that I would push to people who already accept America first principles
@StevePines -WA , Miami is a definite shithole. But there are some IE members in Miami if you had any time to hang out.
The other profiles of right extremists “the boys are athletic and they buy farms in the country and restore them” so wholesome oh no!
I might but I'm with a group of guys and some of them aren't in the org there is one who is though
I think both points should be hit. I've pretty carefully curated my normie sphere interactions to be the person who is willing to say what they're *almost ready* to think. I though that this tactic was working and was validated the first migrant border situation a few months ago. All my basic conservative normies were talking about why it was actually moral or right *as to the interests of the migrants* to turn "asylum seekers" away at the border. I went in full "I only care about my people and my children'. I was shocked to see the fast turn around. It was like on contact narrative change. Beautiful.
@Clarion -FL i've noticed people just need to be primed or hear someone openly defend what they honestly believe
Normies need someone to correctly frame the world for them.
I’ve done something similar I told my roommate to look out for Ben Shapiro’s foreign policy views as he may be biased. He heard him say Wikileaks is a Russian operation or whatever he said and he was totally turned off to Ben after
I’m encouraged by what y’all are saying. That’s good to hear I’m gonna have to go the extra step
I searched my normiebook log. This is what I said. And similar on every post about the situation that I saw on my normies' pages. It was beautiful to watch them start framing it as a "you can't come here because this is my children's home"
broke: asylum seekers are different than illegal aliens
woke: everyone GTFO. this is my children's home. not yours.
Most of real life is zero sum. I have a duty to my own people and my own children. It's no longer theoretical that mass immigration from south and central America is making America a worse place.
I support continued foreign aid and skills building programs for them to try to change their cultural values and conditions which yield the hell holes they're fleeing.
I certainly don't support them flooding into my country and further degrading my children's homeland with their shithole values.
I am doing everything I can to make sure that my children never have to live in the 3rd World shitholes that are right now being replicated in my children's homeland where South and Central American migrants are already in heavy population.
I don't have to explain how this is "fair" or "just" or anything else *from the perspective of the migrants*.
I have a duty to my children, my people, and my nation.
I take OUR side.
So much intellectual firepower all to do what other countries do by instinct
We've been mindfucked for quite awhile. But instinct is instinct and we'll be able to bring it back.
Foreign aid needs to be restructured/revamped/rethought entirely but I’m sure you get that as well
"Sure. We can help them. Over there. Not here." was what my normies needed.
Any of my dearest brothers read this paper? http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html
ethnocentric domination in cooperation tactics
in populations and how it dominates. these were computer simulations. Its not a fun conclusion obviously.
Ethnocentrism just completely dominates humanitarian aka working with everyone
It’s actually more cost effective to help them out in their own countries or to send “true refugees” to countries adjacent to their own
@Myndrian def heard of it before, hadn’t seen the study thanks for linking
Ya its a good read. I couldnt get a lot of it but the main message is pretty damning
I guess it even lends a view to your guys' conversation