@Deleted User Late to the party perhaps, but I endorse a rebranding for all of the reasons you listed. But also, as we've both been in here for quite some time, I think we can agree that this isn't the same org that it was at the beginning. The political environment is different from then and the level of professionalism that we show is much greater. We have jettisoned everything else that didn't\stopped working, I feel as if we should move into the future with an identity that matches the times and where we want to be.

Let me check what my major is again hol up

I've been a college republican for 4 weeks and have already rubbed elbows with notable people who agree with us to a degree as well as individuals who could be convinced with the right rhetoric.

@Sam Anderson You don't need a billion dollars to subvert a College Republicans chapter

^

It's way easier than I expected tbh

Don't think of it as subverting. We are a growing faction within the Republican Party. We belong there, and our ideas are slowly getting more and more mainstream

Changing the Republican party from the inside is our best bet of getting White identity politics into the WH

@Goldstein Riots Tom is right. Too many people in here want to be ideologues, rather than win. We need to be pragmatic, realistic and forward looking - obviously we can't abandon our core values, ever, either - but appealing to powerful factions is the way forward.

Ideologues never win.

@TMatthews our ideas are mainstream, but most white people know they will get fired and ostracized for them.

It will be way easier to become a respected and powerful faction of the party using America first rhetoric than obscure meta political concepts

@Kingfish Are you saying reading Neitszche obsessively is not gonna win?

The GOP didn't really oppose affirmative action until after Duke nearly won the Louisiana senate seat and they co-opted that idea. Not a fan of his really, but the party can be made to change to suit its base

@Sam Anderson will to power bro!

IN A SENSE EHE

Civnats for instance, they get alot of hate but they are halfway there and LITERALLY WANT TO CONSTRUCT A 30 FOOT WALL ON THE MEXICAN BORDER AND PHYSICALLY ROUND UP AND DEPORT 12 MILLION MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

Like come on, that's a pretty good starting point.

Why should we NOT court these people

They also have funding, infrastructure, and influence

I don't necessarily mind a rebrand, just please don't turn this into a civnat group. If we're going to rebrand, it should be to get away from Charlottesville and Eli and maybe make the name more intuitive, but not to make us look like civnats.

I support taking over other groups and having people like James appeal to civic nationalism, but we absolutely need to have explicit groups.

We're gonna leave these resources by the wayside for ideological purity?

Some of these boomers will get really FEDposty if given the chance. It channels their Bush era war mongering motives.

We should court civnats, but we can't become them. That means convincing them that race matters

Doing explicitly Nationalist action yields implicit Identitarian results.

@Jacob Agreed. The issue isn't how the left sees us, it's how the average white sees us.

We should never leave resources behind, but we shouldn't become civnats to speak to them

When the Left tries to brand some huge TPUSA conference in FL as "The largest gathering of White Nationalists" or something like that. They kind of have a point, because that thing was 95% White and they were all Nationalists.

@Deleted User Eh, civnats are like 20% of the way there. Some of them honestly do a lot more harm than good.

I agree we should never be civ Nats. We should absolutely tap into their supporters, their money, their influence, and their infrastructure however.

Civnats are also tied at the hip to Trump to the point of being unable to objectively analyze or criticize anything he does. Going to all in on MAGA imagery could push away the Bernie bros who deep down know the left doesn't want them around

@Kingfish Right, do we agree on that

Our continued existence gives meaning to the world. Imagine a planet filled with just NPCs. Losing the spark of Western Civilization would be the greatest shame in the universe.

@Sam Anderson But the thing is, when the average White sees that coupled with the optics of the group, they don't buy it and their mistrust of such sources grows.

Making fun of these people is great. But why not assimilate all of their progress on the political field?

@Virgil I'm not saying we should pursue idealogical purity

We can do far more then own the civnats online. We can completely dominate their institutions and movement with our own while maintaining our ideological core. It will require concessions to do however. @Jacob

We must remember that we are the culmination of thousands of years of European progress, we want to preserve that. I'm personally not *all* against a rebrand, but we can very well save the name and logo we already have, Patrick is doing wonders for just that. It's not a puritan issue, it's a social capital issue

@Kingfish Right. But should we be joining their groups while having our own, or should we turn our group into theirs?

Media, flyers, interviews, posters, and banner drops all can do well in tapping the Trumpian attitude

@Jacob Join and guide them in our direction.

Unpopular opinion: We need to win over as many minds as possible, of all races. Identitarian is "pro" not "anti".

At some point, you're not nudging civnats forward, you're just reinforcing them

There's a middle ground though.

I'm not saying we do either

Im saying we softly dip in not go head first

We have to try different things in little doses to see what yields results.

Maybe we should wait until the Today show interview of Patrick comes out before we all have a spontaneous panic about scrapping everything?

There's a Today Show interview?

Everyone ready for the POTUS text?

@Kingfish Provide an atmosphere where our people's survival instincts can be allowed to flourish. Just kicking them for being "cucks" will only drive them away.

This is what I'm proposing: keep doing what we've been doing, maybe rebrand to get away from Charlottesville and Eli and the like, and start having guys run for PCO positions and join College Republicans and all that.

@Eugene of Savoy I can agree to that. I think we should accept, Africans right to maintain a supermajority in Africa, ditto for every other group. We shouldn't exclude non-whites from the broader Identitarian scene. But they shouldn't be members of European and American Identitarian organizations.

Who's panicking this has been a very long standing conversation

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN The interview is old, we won't learn anything new

Seemed to come out of nowhere today.

@Kingfish Yeah heard you the first time

Virgil the problem is they don't want Africa, they want what we've got.

Eh, it's been kicked around for a while now.

Sorry my internet is terrible so if it sends multiple times I'll delete them if mods don't get there first.

@Goldstein Riots exactly. We need to promote an atmosphere that these people can slowly drift on their own for their own reasons.

Just got my trump text.

I was hoping there would be a redpill in the Trump text...

Who here /presidential alert/?

buzz buzz buzz

We are shifting the overton window with every flyer, every banner drop we do. Effectively, too

my liberal coworker just called the presidential text a waste of money <:really:453005408064241674>

Not gonna lie; this doesn't feel like business as usual...

“They’re sending drugs”

DRUMPH

Can you even imagine how many catladies are fuming rn

That would be funny if Trump starts using the presidential texts as frequently as he uses Twitter.

I want that soo bad

@Sam Anderson all of them

Hell yeah.

He should have thrown in a MAGA

Trump tryna chill

NEVER EXPIRES

I haven’t gotten it but theres stuff on the tv

THIS IS A PRESIDENTIAL ALERT: "Congress and the Supreme Court are hereby dissolved. I iz da gubment now."

trump just slid in a whole nations dm's

Lol

wow

Bahaha!

This is probably gonna be meme gold...

I'd love to see the spike in Twitter traffic.

This group is so much different from when I first joined

Mostly for the better

What was it like?

Kinda crazy to think I joined when I was 19 and I'm 21 now

@Jacob same boat I'll be 21 soon.

@John Riggs I'd tell you, but the mods would jail me.

Joined about a year and a half ago

@Jacob What changed?

I would love to get Trump's tweets as a text.

A lot. Lol

using the Presidential text

lol

I'll be 24 very soon, I feel like i'm a boomer now