@Deleted User Holy crap. I had definitely heard him indulge in a few faux pas, but didn't realize it was anything near that egregious...

Oh yeah.

Also, you know, lying about going to war.

Eli? @Deleted User

Most Americans think that's pretty unchill.

Yeah.

Eli

@Deleted User okay, you convinced me. Where do I sign?

lol

I knew he wasn't fit for I.E but... dang, that's intense

ADLSPLC voxvicemicbuzzfeed will know it's us and just refer to us as "_____, pathetically rebranded Identity Evropa"

does anyone really even remember Eli though <:really:453005408064241674> <:teehee:381917632359563264>

The media does.

@Asatru Artist - MD He was in several documentaries

and is all but forgotten

but yeah, they can drudge that all back up

"Identity Columbia" sounds like "Identity Venezuela"

but never do

they go to the ADL/SPLC links...

If we're gonna change the name, let's not do that one

He isn’t forgotten, every time the media does an extensive hit piece.

Honestly I thought we dropped all the baggage of previous leaders' bad mistakes already, though I may be wrong

Identity West?

Men of the West?

Thoughts on Identity Americana?

Tolkien hours

Western Identity?

West = implies America and Europe both

I've thrown out "America First Initiative" before.

didn't someone say Americana is America in spanish or something? I don't speak border jumper...

Operation Homeland?

@Grossly Incandescent Not bad, we should definitely use Columbia woman as a mascot though

@Virgil Yasss queen, slay. I agree

>Spanish
>"border jumper"
LOL wut

@Jacob *Scoffs* Colombia and Venezuela are like night and day... The former has muh free(r) markets... The fact that they're both sh#tholes is merely a coincidence, or a product of geography, rather than the fact that they share near-identical gene pools... 😏

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Sure, and again, media reception is but one of many reasons to start anew. The more steps one must take to tie us to really atrocious statements or behavior, the more tenuous the link seems.

@Kingfish would you prefer "Mexican"?

Spanish is a European language

No dude this may be surprising to you, but Spanish Is a language spoken in Spain. A country in Europe

You know

The continent were named after

i understand that, but the invaders speak the same basic language at this point

Compare the number of Spaniards to Mestizos.

@Grossly Incandescent Yeah, that's actually occurred to me, too. It does have a ring, but I feel like it has at least one too many syllables to be a (*metaphorical*) war cry, lol.

So the romance language of Spain should just be considered the language of a foreign people? We're just going to disregard it as lost and speak derisively of it?

Good point @Bjorn - MD

@Grossly Incandescent Identity Americana sound okay. I personally don't like the civnat ring it has to it and Ian might yell at me for saying this, but I get his point and I respect his opinion.

Central Americans speak gutter spanish anyhow lol

the Ebonics of Spanish

Same could be said for German or French pretty soon if things don't Go our way. @Asatru Artist - MD

A bastardized spanish not dissimilar to how Low income blacks speak english

Gli Columbiani

"Western Identity" I think has all the right notes.

English is a fallen language we should all speak latin

To be honest, I don't think I'd be here today if I saw a poster for a group that came off as civnat

@Kingfish Plenty of sand people already speak German and French. 😢

It is American but implicit white, and european

@MrDefault The non-whites would just switch to Latin to leach off us again.

@Asatru Artist - MD I agree but I wouldn't be so quick to derisively refer to it as an invading language

Of foreign people.

didn't know border jumper would trigger people 😂

What if we rebranded to Identity Europa and drop the V

@Deleted User Based on the statements above: Patrick has been doing very well with giving us a better name, he's been getting all sorts of interviews on youtube with various significant figures, with similar, non-larpy views. We even got Jared to still advocate for us, despite the recent history with previous leadership.... though the history is there, I would argue that the baggage of the previous mistakes have lightened up, at least a little up for sure. My concern is if any of the previous baggage would come up to bite us way later down the road, though

Is that a serious suggestion?

Sorry pal I'm very thin skinned <:really:453005408064241674>

still has the baggage ^ (mr default)

@Deleted User No, lol.

@Jacob We' d be reclaiming the american name and culture from the civnats

"Society of Friends"

@The Eternal Anglo baggage certainly could, but it would be harder - again just one of many, many reasons to make a new org.

We don't have enough influence to reclaim anything right now

We need to reclaim influence first

@Deleted User I get what you're saying, but no matter what we call ourselves we'll be labeled supremacists by the ADL/SPLC. There is no way to be part of any pro-white organization without the risk of losing friends, family, career, etc. Hopefully that changes at some point, and I think it will as white identity politics inevitably gains steam, but a new name won't drastically alter how we're viewed

I don't mind using the Civnats as a PR shield. Plausible deniability can be a good thing.

@John Riggs I agree with this

Some like to claim that Mexico is part of North America. Personally, I can't help but perceive it as an ethnocultural boundary, rather than a geographical one. Technically, the Americas are all one continent anyway, so it's otherwise ultimately arbitrary...

GI is like half civnats half our guys

@TMatthews It absolutely will. The ADL can call us whatever they like, but unless they have some manner of evidence, their claims fall short. Right now they can DIRECTLY tie us to David Duke, and a leader who glorified killing minorities and the nazification of america - they don't even have to lie.

@Deleted User I understand, and see your points 👍

Oh, sorry. I'm still in the bastardized Spanish convo 😂

Identity America or something similar isn't really a *bad* name, but it definitely doesn't have the same appeal

I've tossed out "American Identity Movement"

I just want White Americans to wake up and have a home for themselves, nothing else matters to me at this point except to get a home for us, safely, effectively, and efficiently

@John Riggs Problem is when it becomes so deniable that our guys don't even apply

Donth thpeak that bathterdithed thpanith. Thpeak cathtilliano

Lots of good suggestions out there

@Deleted User We're part of a group exclusively for non-Semitic whites. That alone is enough to earn us the "neo-nazi" label in the eyes of most people. Unless you change fundamental policy/ideology, I don't think the name change does much, and the kinds of changes that would require are very much in the civnat direction unfortunately

It's a fine line but shouldn't be impossible to dog whistle to our guys while still remaining 'family friendly' to the general public

>Semitic Whites... 😏

To be entirely honest, I think taking a more populist or American Nationalist rhetoric would yield far more results. Rebranding and aligning ourselves with the Tucker Carlsons and the Anne Coulters will immediately get us more air time and relatively more positive media coverage. I think We would also increase our base significantly. Giving these Trump movement types who are really too edgy for Republicans but not wignats a home gives us places to grow and mold a movement. In all honesty and I mean this with great respect, I'm not sure how much passion such an academic term and concept like Identitarian means to a patriotic right wing American with tangible problems we can help Solve. We can be Identitarians and care about identity, but creating a movement based on identity doesn't do as much as acting on it. The Trump Movement is a pretty untapped grassroots resource we could tap into hard with a solid rebrand and slight transition of rhetoric.

A change to American Identity Movement or something like that wouldn't be a big deal either way, I think, so long as we can maintain a unique brand (identitarianism)

Not saying I want a rebrand of any sorts... but if we ever do rebrand, I'd hope our vetting process is still top notch.

@Kingfish Yeah, but we also have to be cognizant of the fact that Queen Ann and Tucker are, at least in part, lagging indicators of the headway that we make, so long as we don't screw up.

@Kingfish When does that "slight transition of rhetoric" land us as full on civnats 10 years down the line though?

Also we should just move the overton window far enough where **WE** are the only sensible option, not the other way around

We don't have to be Identitarian spergs, but if we lose our vision and mission (ever so slowly), what was the point?

I don't think we'd lose anything.

The slippery slope is real for all things.

Tucker is able to talk about race as much as he does specifically by framing it as "the left is obsessed with race and we should all just be individuals"
As a group built around a collective identity, we can't do that without giving up the essence of what we stand for

Daaang... Random aside, but check out GI, uppin' their flyer game... (Translation: "This is Christoph Heusgen, 'your' traitor at the UN. In 'your name,' he will sign the 'Migration Pact' on 12/11. That means the following: Opening for ...244 million migrants, free entry into the social [security] system for migrants, sanctions for 'intolerant' critics,' etc., etc.")