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@Procella Eques Always found that symbol nice, something about it is a novelty
@The Eternal Anglo it has a lot of overlapping symbolism with egyptian pharoahs too, which I think is intentional
@Sherlock Why do you think it's boring? Could you provide an example that would be less boring and more aesthetic ?
I like the logo haha
I think its pretty sweet
Itโs boring because itโs a triangle
As far as a better one, idk. Weโd have to think of something
I disagree with alot of the sentiments expressed in the past hour.
Identity Evropa, is pretty difficult to express exactly who we are and what we are about. Even an elevator pitch (~30) to someone about Identity Evropa leaves them with more questions than answers. "Europa... but this is America" "Why not american identity?" "What's with the triangle" "What's with the 'V'" People just don't *get it*. We should seek to be a mainstream movement. Having a familiar and normal name, color scheme and symbolism go a long way to normalizing our views. We have to move past the "Evropean Neitzchian/Faustian esoteric racialist club" mindset.
Additionally, there are things we want to move away from. A new org would provide some distance from our founder (he's a great man who put his mark on the universe, and I think we all understand the nuance of his situation, but let's call it what it is) "A felon convicted of a hate crime who became aware of white Identity via a book by former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke"
That's not to mention comments by a one Eli Mosley, espousing literal exterminationist rhetoric and lying about his military record.
That's not to mention Charlottesville.
In summary, I think Identity Evropa sounds weird and decidedly foreign to an American ear. Additionally some of these really cursed associations will always plague Identity Evropa - perhaps less so with a new org.
So you're saying we need to be something more like "The Minutemen"
I should have prefaced - this is MY personal opinion, not the opinion of leadership as a whole. We have not come to a consensus on the matter. Rigorous debate on serious issues is pretty healthy IMO, so keep it coming.
or something more foundationally American?
Just more american in general
"The Tea Party" was a pretty good one as an example
Several people are typing...
We still need to convey that we are an organization explicitly for white people
My problem with us becoming more, "American" is the question of: What will make us different from other American-advocating orgs? the term, 'American' to most normies, has negative connotation to it, people can easily say, "What about the blacks or the Chinese?" They could also use ol'reliable, "America is the melting pot!"
@Deleted User I think potentially rebranding is better than forming a new organization and we should keep the dragons eye logo. But maybe change our name to something more American like Identity Columbia and change the color scheme to red, white and blue.
If they look at us, and compare us to a civ-nat group... it would be easy for a normie to dismiss us as other, 'specifically American' groups who also wanted to keep, 'America American'
They would prefer the civ-nat group instead
If we were to Americanize our aesthetics we would need a motta to go with the logo and name that conveys we are explicitly white
And yeah what would differentiate us from TPUSA
Also, I think brand and name recognition are very important. This would toss a lot of that away, itโs like changing your name and avatar online lmao
I'm in agreement that a name change ends up making us look like milktoast civnats <:sad:366743316475281408>
"America" =/= white to a vast majority of people now imho
We're already doing so incredibly well with what we have, I think changing any of our progress would hurt more than it would do good for us. All the problems we're facing right now, is due to bad mistakes from recent leadership, but our name has not been necessarily tainted, at all either.
If we *DID* change our name, what's stopping the SPLC and ADL listing us as another "Evil white supremacist Nazi" group? It makes the loss of social capital useless, we would lose FAR more than we would potentially gain
@NateDahl76 "European roots, American greatness."
@The Eternal Anglo or just labeling us "formerly Identity Evropa"
...though we'd probably lose that with the rebrand.
To be fair, we do a pretty good job at not being labeled "Former National Youth Front"
Yeah I donโt think Nathanโs stuff dogs us that much at all
no matter our name, rebranding will just be a new name for the (((media))) to smear as evil whitey
I think it would only be a matter of time before the SPLC/ADL crowd recognized familiar faces. What they think doesn't matter. What matters is what the average White person thinks of both us and them.
and no, we don't care what the ADL says about us, but normies do, so a rebrand doesn't fix a thing imo
and just makes us look like optics cucks
Identity CivNat is all it would look like to most. <:really:453005408064241674>
The only way a name change makes any sense is if itโs altering the message it sends. But again i think the risk/reward isnt worth it and it would be better to change the logo
I think your average White person is looks upon with the SPLC and ADL with more and more suspicion by the day. They key is continuing to agitate and drive them crazy, while leaving nothing with which to fault us.
Exactly, our target audience is to gain the trust, and respect of the average White American, not the attention of the Mass media, SPLC, and ADL.
Secondly, which this is very important... people today, now more than ever, have a *huge* distrust of the MSM, and other big orgs associated with the MSM. We're set up perfectly
If weโre going to change anything at all
I think rebranding would give us a certain distance from Charlottesville and give us more legitimacy to appeal to the average Conservative and Centrist. But we shouldn't do it to get the media or the SPLC off our backs, we should do it so we can reach our target demographic.
Plus weโre doing pretty great right now. No need for the debate atm, and I think Patrick has been pretty clear about his stance for the time being
We *ARE* optics cucks. The Optics War proved how vital optics are, lol.
@Sherlock and what is your logo suggestion? what conveys what you see as proper and bold?
optics cucking to the point of looking like boring civnats is a bridge too far though
Too much rebranding ruins the brand and the reputation that we have built with people who arenโt paying super close attention
That being said, wouldnโt mind if we change the v to a u lmao
@Asatru Artist - MD It would be an aesthetic change, not an idealogical change. It's not like we'd start accepting based Nigerians if we rebranded. So how is it optics cucking?
I just don't want IE to end up being watered down with a bunch of civnat normies that eventually *do* want to bring in That Guy T or Brian Logan or some other "Based blegs"
There would be virtually no aesthetic difference between us, and the other (majority) civnat groups in the United States. What makes us so effective is that *we are* unique in the way we present ourselves, our organisation, and our message.
@Asatru Artist - MD Same here. We'd be retaining the same leadership and standards, though.
see, changing the v to a u i could get behind
@Asatru Artist - MD I dont have a logo suggestion
I don't know. I like the V.\
Because Iโve never given it any thought
Even if we are optics cucks, it's important not to distance ourselves too far from Charlottsville because otherwise you might invite people into our organization that won't appreciate it.
I'm going to say it: Red, white, and blue.... is **Boring.**
Regardless of the situation, our name will eventually be slandered again.
i'm in favor of renaming the group *Amerimutts United* with a rainbow powerfist as our symbol
literally every politician uses red/white/blue for their logos.
It literally doesn't matter.
It would just have to be the overall palette. Nothin' says we couldn't spruce it up with a little originality here and there...
Just needs to be recognizably American.
Maybe but red white and blue has the advantage of being meaningful to everyone whereas a teal triangle is also boring and conveys nothing to practically everyone
@Asatru Artist - MD It would be much easier to attract funding and humam capital if we rebranded. If we think that's optics cucking, we will always be a fringe group.
Changing the IE logo wouldn't get any of the Leftist outlets to stop calling us white supremacists.
they aren't concerned with media, they want more people
It would only end up confusing the normies and have boring civnats trying to get in our organization.
i just want the *right* people
indeed
@Asatru Artist - MD Who just wants more people?
I should mention, that Generation Identity uses a Greek symbol, with a Black/Yellow aesthetic, and they are doing **amazing** all over Europe
Because they carry themselves incredibly well, and prove the name slandering wrong
@Rabbidsith But it might stop conservative outlets from doing it
but in all seriousness, a rebrand doesn't have to be drastic.
for example, i've never been keen on the color teal and think red, white, and blue would have been better choices to catch the "pro-american" types
@Virgil Nah. They're all cucked.
we'll only have sympathetic media attention when these outlets literally have no choice.
but to accept us and our ways
i guess if we can get a ton of civnat tier whites in to give us more capital to work with to spread our message, and leadership stays the course, its whatever...
parts of the organization's imagery could slowly be swapped out
Even if you compare our optics to those of GI, the latter uses an ancient, but bold color scheme with regal origins (black and gold), whereas notwithstanding my own fondness for our color scheme, it's kind of fashwave-esque, and therefore specific to a particular time and subculture.
@Goose that's what I'm worried about
@Asatru Artist - MD Why not have them just donate to us? <:teehee:381917632359563264>
but a rebrand shouldn't concern any members because the foundation and structure of the IE network will remain intact.
does putting on a new hat change who's wearing it?
@Bjorn - MD Our logo is also ancient, Germanic, and uses a nice, modern aesthetic tho
@Rabbidsith Tucker isn't cucked and Breitbart has a large following that could potentially support us
We need to maintain our own brand. That in itself has meaning and recognition
@Goose yes, the minute you put on a MAGA hat, you go full fasc, put on an antifa hat, you go full soy <:teehee:381917632359563264>
@Virgil Yeah but the rest of Fox is cucked and Breitbart isn't going to support us until we have a lot more power.
Agreed, but the lambda is far more well-known and recognizable, and right or wrong (wrong), Greco-Roman semiotics occupies a position of greater notability and prestige than Germanic, even in Germanic Europe, and Germany itself.
I'm afraid people will associate an "Explicitly American group wanting to defend it's borders and maintain a White majority" with another group. It's to easy to make the comparison if we were explicitly American
Rebranding would lose what name recognition we have, make our already printed stickers and flyers unusable, and seem like we gave up who we are to court civnats.
The only reason to rebrand is if we somehow lose the C-ville lawsuit, imo
@The Eternal Anglo Only if we develop our own unique lexicon, and insist that every word therein begin with the same consonant, lol.
I doubt that these people are going to give a shit until we have 10,000 members.
*the mainstream media
@Rabbidsith Right but the question is how do we get more power, by getting investors and capital. Which would be much easier if we had a name that was more marketable to the average American and potential investors.
they already give a sh*t and we have around 1000....
The face of us being a fraternity for European Americans, not only is that a great description of us, but it also negates any comparison people may want to make of us to nasty 1.0 organisations. It's very cunning and sly
@Virgil I agree that we need investors and capital. However, losing what little brand recognition we have isn't conducive to that end.
@Virgil Well most of our money is going to the Cvill lawsuit, but once that's done and over with, it's easy flying
Evropa is also American because LARPing as Romans is an American tradition dating back to the founding fathers
toga toga toga!
Like I said, I'm not married to any particular means. If you think about things from another perspective, Generation Identity was a pretty unprecedented brand, and required a healthy amount explanation itself. Even if we were to retain the same title, though, at bare minimum, the color scheme would probably have to evolve over time.
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