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gtfo
@Maksim which ones are bad?
@The Desert Fox V everything that is different from mine
Observe above
What? Death penalty for corporate fraud?
@Maksim and alcohol is banned? And guns?
especially corporate fraud
*especially*
Banning guns is gay af
@The Desert Fox V no it's not
I'm an authoritarian
Removing guns is good for keeping power
People should be allowed to have guns for self defense and defense of the realm. If you need to disarm the folk to stay in power, do you deserve power?
@The Desert Fox V Yes lmao
The common man is not that intelligent, and thus groups of unintelligent people would resist changes for they cannot see the bigger picture
A comprehensive and powerful police force will keep the citizens safe
@Maksim then use the police to shoot the stupid
The key thing with the stupid: they won't win
That's why one must enact changes for them
not enough on the economic equality axis
not enough nation
not enough authority
Rookie numbers or good?
@Gromp >internationalist
>libertarian
Fuck yea
Imagine wanting to get cucked by the state
There's a difference between being cucked by the state and being unable to mobilize the citizenry because the state has barely any power @Gromp
Iโm not an anarchist my dude, I never said that I totally reject the concept to transition to communism.
Just think you can have both civil liberties and a state to protect from imperialist aggression yk @The Desert Fox V
Maybe this helps to drive the point home
Ok
But why so internationalist?
Why so progressive?
These are gay
Internationalism: Cuz itโs literally a core tenet of communism
Progressivism; cuz technology and civil liberties are nice to have
Progressivism means the rejection of tradition, not new tech
Internationalism is gay regardless of what marx said
Kinda but traditionalism is mostly holding technological progress back yk, as to internationalism; well thatโs where our viewpoints fundamentally diverge; you want to keep the state I want to let it wither away eventually
And spread the revolution as far and wide as possible
Nations are a naturally forming phenomenon and each nation forms its own traditions. Some of these traditions are different, but often times far apart nations hold the same values.
Traditionalism is the embrace of these values.
Iโm not saying youโre not allowed to have those; I just think they should play no great part in politics
Why? A country needs a culture and that's why you need some traditions.
You need values
You can have them without the state, states merely came to embody these values they did not create them
Yes. So why not have a state embody the values through policy?
Because the debate should be a cultural level not a state level one
It should be decided by the people
Just because something is popular, doesn't mean something is right.
Modern society clearly shows this
Well thatโs what traditions are tho
Unpopular ones just die out
People only keep what they like
If no one follows a tradition it dies out, true. But in the modern world you can see many traditions remain but are only followed by some people. Essentially any revolutionary government would have the option to save these traditions by promoting them or enforcing them.
Leaving it to the people won't necessarily give you the right choice.
Xactly but I see no inherent value in them hence my conviction of leaving it at a cultural level
If there's no inherent value then why are they so universal? Most traditional values have value. Honour for instance, it was a way to draw a line between legitimate acts of revenge, plus warfare and crime or murder.
It was in a way an ancient geneva convention lol
Yea but by now โhonorโ is codified, youโve got laws, courts and conventions to cull excesses. They outlived their usefulness
There may be need for honor at an individual level
To keep going or rationalize behavior
But not a state one
Exactly. Just because somethinf is written in law doesn't mean people agree with it. Honour was and is something which an individual believes in and does regardless of laws. If the state collapsed tomorrow, a moral and honourable person would continue to not kill and steal whereas many might resort to that as no one is stopping them.
How many people in the modern day are really morally opposed to stealing? What if they needed the food?
Are you actually tryna tell me that before modern times no one ever looked out for number one first and foremost? History clearly shows otherwise
Also again: Iโm not opposed to the concept of honor or whatever at an individual level
Just a state one
Not everyone in ancient times was honourable, but honour was a concept which more people held because it was culturally embedded. I hear what you're saying, but thay leaves no guarantee people will actually embrace the concept.
No matter how hard you instill it into people: if the only foods is on anotherโs pouch people will eventually resort to stealing it. Thatโs just how it works when the only choice is between you or someone else going hungry.
Mean itโs certainly a noble concept and I think itโs admirable that you put so much thought onto people acting moral but I personally think the state should be more concerned with the welfare of its people rather than some abstract concept thatโll only come into play if the state crumbles
Iโd much rather make people act morally by letting them live good lives than drilling the concept into their heads
May be somewhat idealist but yea
Culture is top down, not ground up. The institutions governing and pervading society are what determine culture and such.
@Gromp You make the mistake of assuming you cannot combine social tradition with technological innovation
Not saying that, my main problem with them are the other reasons I outlined above they just seem to hinder technological progress from what Iโve seen @Maksim
Can link more if ya want
@The Desert Fox V too much capitalism
Not enough nationalism
@Maksim just enough nationalism
88%
Also, economics I don't care much about.
<:smug:591181720565579807>
Actually gay
Get off my board
What was the point of taking the tests if you were just going to take a shit on the floor
yo, based?
too much on the market axis
and not enough nationalism
but getting there
that's because 8 values is dumb
I did the 9 axes thing and it was much better
Damn im almost nazi
the other one is this one https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/
Haha got the funny number xddd
the only based result
too much liberty
not enough loyalty
Tf
How do you get low liberty
Ew
Lol I don't even, I didn't say that any of the options involving choice were good
i took 9axes and these are my results, make fun of me as you wish ~
https://9axes.github.io/results.html?a=40&b=100&c=80&d=85&e=40&f=15&g=100&h=85&i=85
though i feel there are democracy, unitary, globalist, and secular biases
Any of yโall got political sextant results?
anarcho-communism makes me so mad that it exists
Most ANCOMs Iโve seen are some fat twenty-something year olds with early signs of pattern baldness.
like i really dont like socialism/communism, mainly because of lazy ppl and it discouraging harder work, so if you're going to establish communism, you need a strong government to enforce it; like theres a reason that we've seen authcoms a bunch but like zero ancom countries
The only โstateโ that has come close to emulating an anarcho-communist โcountryโ is the region of Barcelona in Spain.
and nobody writes home about their economy or it being a paradise
Hmm
bro its kim jong un
It was a shithole.
Continuous war, no firm leadership, crumbled in months/years.
Same with what that dumbass Nestor Makhno tried to pull in Ukraine during the Civil War.
small privatized utopias kinda work with ancoms but thats because theyre smaller and selective with members
Their efficiency decreases as populations increase, ye.
i learned that in minecraft lmao
2 friends sharing=very efficient
10 people sharing=eh
20=freeloader gang
ah yes, Marxist Feminism
Damn, man.
Youโve been contaminated.
I actually arrived at all of my opinions independently
not a big fan of Marx nor radical Feminism, I have read up on Guild Socialism a little bit and I must say it is rather intriguing
Guild Socialism is the only somewhat good idea there
Third way is gay
that doesn't mean much coming from a fascist
Ok
I'm right though
Third way is just centrist garbage. What did blair do that was good? Or even noteworthy?
But does Third Way not utilize/emphasize centre-left social values, which contrasts the function of fascism?
it adheres more to Social Democracy, that's a big stretch comparing it to fascism
^
Fascism is a social system
That is counter to progressivism
@Deli.v2 seriously though, what did he do?
There was this one social democrat who was trying to dispel to me that his ideology was a โdiet versionโ of fascism.
I didn't avidly study the Blair era of UK politics, so unfortunately I'm unaware
If he means econmically sure they share some similarities. But fascism isn't based around economics.
Well, I believe it tends to follow an evaluated capitalistic/mixed economic system.
@Deli.v2 wouldn't you agree that there is something deeply wrong with modern society? Not something that can be solved by a simply elected party?
no
@Enkrum Fascism does, but only because Fascists believe this to be an effective system. When push comes to shove I'd be more than happy to accept a planned economy in exchange for ethnic homogeny.
maybe climate change, but that can be solved by a vote
Well Iโd argue it would be the other way around, a planned economy first to get the raw materials and industrial sector up and running, then transition to a mixed economic model supported by a homogenous population.
So that you can support a consumer economy to an extent.
Do you not acknowledge the corruption that has become rife in western democracy? The influence of lobbies? The betrayal of campaign promises? @Deli.v2
yeah those problems are present, but I would reckon we need a political reformation/renaissance if anything to make radical change instead of some shitty revolution
@Deli.v2 what politician in the modern day even proposes solutions to these problems? Plus, those aren't the only ones. I assume you're fairly progressive, but surely you see that immigration rates into the west rn aren't sustainable?
I know some politicians in the Visigrad Union have been proposing ideas and policies as of recent.
Specifically Poland, Hungary, etc.
not a big fan of mass immigration, not because of race or muh heritage or anything, rather because temporary migrants like Expats and students are more beneficial to both countries.
My country in specific has a merit system to we accept good immigrants anyway
maybe we should stop blowing up 3rd world countries, I reckon that'd help
is this a map to fill out?
@Deli.v2 Heh, it would. Although I am more on the side of preferring homogenous populations for that reason.
You could say โmuh heritageโ to an extant.
we wouldn't need to be accepting all of these refugees if Bush didn't do 2003
Indeed.
Itโs a culmination of events.
the arab spring naturally occurred which is unfortunate but the Iraq war along with the spring only made things worse, especially with the rise of ISIL
@sabrinaisheresometime ss also maโam
>Fanatical Democratic
@Deli.v2 even saying that could get you in trouble with some people. Anything further and you can have serious issues. How can this be fixed peacefully?
denouncing wars abroad can get you in trouble? My ass
Fill out the map
it's only the boomers that support wars, and most countries have been experimenting with temporary migrants
@Deli.v2 not that the immigration stuff
k here's my map
What's wrong with Belarus
being a dictator is not better than being gay
I would like to contest that statement.
Better to be a dictator than gay
I shall represent my homeland now.
@Maksim how do you feel to have this fellow Ukrainian be a moderate
@The Desert Fox V what
@Deli.v2 Speaking of which, I was born in Minsk. ะ ัััะบะพัะทััะฝัะน?
@Maksim deli is ukrainian according to the map
Yes and?
I don't have Russian on my keyboard, but that's cool you were born in Minsk
where do you live now?
I live in the US, but I still retain dual citizenship.
Best part about it, is that I can work and live in Russia without a visa.
neat, I don't have anything against Belarus the nation, rather its government is so broken it's absurd that it even exists
I donโt particularly have any issue with Lukashenko.
he seems like a European version of 'The Dictator' by Sasha Baren Cohen
@Maksim what would be a good way to fill out that map?
Don't fucking equate Ukraine with F*ance
France is absolutely Garbage
Ukraine is the Ireland of western Europe
And Ukraine isn't in Western Europe
I meant eastern europe
They both are of similar relevance, they both get bullied by their larger neighbor, and a lot of people hate them
Nobody hates Ireland, everyone hates British ownership of Northern Ireland
France is great
Better than the majority of eurogarbage
@Enkrum what about fanatical democrat
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