Well you claimed to know the theory

I’m just trying to establish if you do in fact know the theory

yes and you asserted that the theory does address my concern which requires evidence which you didnt present

And I know it doesnt address my concern because I've read marx

Can you explain how it’s possible to commit a fallacy without rendering an argument?

>moves the goal post again

Yikes

Cya latter

How many times are you going to say bye

I don’t see how he could’ve committed a fallacy

Seeing as he made no argument

Do you lack self control? Ego getting hurt? Need the last word?

Could you just answer that for me before you go

whats this debate about

i scrolled and couldnt make it to the top before getting tired of scrolling

you guys shit talk a lot.

Ofc im going to shit talk him if he refuses to answer simple questions

@Sentient23 @Blueroad

No talking shit. This is <#587028275918929925> .

Even if your opposition acts retarded, you don't.

Any further violations of this channel will result in moderator action

Hey mates what do you think about the theory that Government is created out of fear?

Because from how i see it, Government is made for the purpose of Advancement (Technology, Culture, industry, etc.)

@Deleted User Yeah

The weakest people in the gene pool created the state from tribes because they were afraid of not surviving

Not entirely true. States would naturally form as the settled people would started getting surplus food

That's when they started managing it

And that's the earliest type of state

Well, that's more of a community

Or a commune

Idk which one you find less threatening.


If there is a strong central authority, the community becomes a state.

Or even a moderate central authority

https://nypost.com/2016/04/26/hillary-supporters-spam-bernie-groups-with-kiddie-porn/

Based

If it weren’t for my belief in Christ i would have given up on society already

@Asdrubal Not at all based

Spreading CP only perpetuates more to be spread, causing a larger influx of pedophile.

And pedophiles *Jews cough cough* deserve punishment at the extreme

@Deleted User modern society cannot be saved

And neither do people suddenly find children attractive

It's Jewish subversion that creates pedophiles

That’s based

@everyone This is the patent for the Corona virus, patent number 10130701.
Please pass this on.
https://patents.justia.com/patent/10130701

Who patents a virus

@Flash Guess

How do you patent a virus

It’s a natural thing

Only God can patent that lol

That's a family guy joke

I'm pretty sure you can patent anything

Can I patent myself <:hyperthink:591182142189338655>

Gene Simmons owns the patent for orange juice or something like that

I think a patent just certifies its unique

Or it's a unique invention or something

Hmm

I wonder if someone has a patent for the common cold now lol

Could be you

@Flash genetically engineered viruses are a thing

you cant **patent** a virus but you can patent a section which you have invented

which is also very false because scientists using CRISPR to make the genetic variations didnt write that and took other DNA because we are not able to write our own DNA and have to steal it from other things that nature and evolution has made

shut up e girl

Shane smith is the coolest modern journalist ik ngl

k

nobody deserves anything

@Ginnungagap Do you actually support Ukraine's independance

Or are you supporting fascism

I support Ukraine because of their political alignment

Which is?

@Ginnungagap Ukraine-Poland-Finland Alliance, when?

@Maksim not for a long ass time

Anarchy when

Right now

Now

Wow awesome

Y'all really a right wing server?

Yeah but there are many communists too.

Like, many.

@Contra >libcom

c-cringe

I am libcom yes

But I favor a gradual transition after a significant corrective change of state.

crunch

Note: I’m not a racial supremacist, I don’t believe any race is superior or inferior. I’m against race mixing because I’m against racism and I respect all races/ethnicities.
I’m mixed race and I'm 100% against race mixing/interracial relationships. Because:

1. Race mixing is racism/race hatred. How is mixing races out of existence not race hatred? How is mixing races out of existence racial love/racial respect? Every person I've ever asked has been unable to answer this. Race mixing is race hatred not because of the feelings or intentions of the individuals involved, but because the very act of race mixing itself inevitably mixes races and entire racial lines out of existence.

2. Race mixing is scientifically proven to have detrimental consequences such as mixed race people having infertility, mental health issues, defects/disabilities, etc. due to being mixed.

3. Race mixing destroys diversity. If everyone mixed incessantly, we’d ultimately all be one mixed race. Bio-diversity on this planet is beautiful, why does it need to be destroyed?

Mixed people are more likely to have a variety of medical issues.
Sources:
- White-Asian children are twice as likely as Asians to have mental illness. http://news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=8732
- White/Black babies are less healthy than monoracial babies. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2867623/
- Mixed race couples are more likely to have stillborn babies than same-race couples. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994621
- Black-White children are more likely than both Black and Whites to make poor decisions. http://www.nber.org/papers/w14192
- Mixed race kids suffer from low self-esteem, social isolation, and poor family dynamics. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/
- Mixed race children are more likely to have health problems, high stress, smoke, and drink. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/
- Interracial people cannot receive certain organ donations. http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html

Extra info: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_race_mixing

By any chance is this you? @honey

No, I'm not predominantly black

I'm mainly a Eurasian

Ah, you knew rape apparently.

Yes, he was my mentor, we were good friends. Did he ever come back to discord?

I don’t know.

This does mean though I’ve probably seen you before.

Probably, back then most people mistook me as Mexican/Hispanic

I probably have a picture of you then. I’l have to dig.

I can just send a selfie lol. I don't care anymore

Ah, yeah sure.

Ppl don't come after a mixed race person against race mixing

u want to see?

@.@

Sure.

Oh what if

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_hotel_bombing

Only what if

https://youtu.be/niNhHR1Vy80

Private education without extremely heavy supervision and control is stupid.

Change my mind.

public centralized education is based

@Koninos only if you suck

@Koninos the control and supervision is left up to the parents and the people of the community rather than a government that might start some stupid shit like putting white children in slave outfits to preach tolerance in Sweden.

Stupid question

@Ater Votum My ass, that won't and can't happen. There is also no guarantee that the community is educated well enough to make a decision on the control and supervision of private education.

And that was a statement, not a question, obviously.

@!r3x^www.myg0t.gg#5917 Great argument.

The government should be the people themselves, but that's another story.

lol no

lol Yes.

lol why?

lol Because a well-educated population is better than a well-educated government of a dozen of people.

lol who is gonna well-educate the population?

lol The current Government, in perfect collaboration with the people. If not the people themselves.

lol but the government is just a dozen people

lol Yes, if we assume that the Government takes care of this, and not the people themselves, then that's fine, but it'd be much better if the people educate the population.

lol so the not well-educated people are all going to well-educate themselves?

Popular sovereignty

lol So we're gonna assemble the most knowledgeable, wise and well-educated people of the country, elect a number of them (i'd say 50), and have them reform the education.

>lol

No

lol why not just have it like that? educate people but don't allow them to become the government

No lols in here

sorry

@Pseudo-Analysist 👺

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Because the Governments abuse people and become corrupt.

what in the government abuses people and becomes corrupt?

There're also more chances for a dictatorship to appear in a Representative Democratic system rather than in a direct one.

people abuse people and become corrupt. you are basically telling me you want to increase abuse and corruption

The members of the Government often abuse their powers, take important decisions without approval from neither the representatives nor the people, and in many other underground ways.

What?

That's completely irrelevant and false.

you are literally advocating for increasing the government

if you think the government is abusive and corrupt, increasing it will increase abuse and corruption

basic logic my dude

More Democracy = Less Corruption.

Basic logic my dude.

how?

The less power one has, the less likely it is for them to be corrupt.

Obviously.

the less power one has, the more they want it
are you familiar with the law of diminishing returns?

That's where education comes in, and other factors that stop people from the desire of excessive power.

There should be a roof, a limit to the power one can have. When it exceeds the limit, you kill them.

how does education lead to people wanting less power?

I'm not in favor of brain washing, but haven't you heard of it?

It's a form of education.

Education plays a huge role in people's beliefs.

1) if you're not in favor of brainwashing, what are you in favor of?
2) brainwashing is much more effective when the brainwashed are docile and have no institutional power
3) we are simply going to disagree on the impact of education on beliefs. emotional impulse is the biggest predictor of political affiliation for example. there is no wait you are going to educate ambitious people out of their ambition

emotional impulse is the biggest predictor in majority populations. results don't replicate among minority groups

1) An education which is absolute on objective matters, and on subjective matters an education which states the facts objectively, without leaning to any sides, and letting the students lean in to any side by themselves.
2) Brainwashing doesn't always work, is unethical and violates human rights.
3) You can educate one before they become ambitious or develop any huge emotional impulses. For those who have already been "educated," you can reduce their ambition. And well, if they are idiotic absolutes, the state doesn't need them, and the people can vote for them to be deported.

Emotional impulse is __currently__ the biggest predictor in majority populations indeed, but that's because people of these majority populations have not received proper education, with good quality.

Basically education, nowadays, is biased, subjective and bad.

So the emotional impulse that is inside every each and one of us takes control of our mind.

Point 3 sounds distopian

@Maksim How so?

the biggest problem with education how it currently functions is that its much less concerned with developing the child as a whole through knowledge and guidance and much more concerned with test marks, grades and just "teaching" the child whats necessary for them to secure a job. obviously this is important as well but education should be much more than that

^

MUCH more.

Nowadays many parents, teachers, the state even, undermine the importance of philosophy, debating, etc, because it's not going to guarantee you a job.

1) you cannot derive moral oughts from facts. furthermore, there is no reason why "knowing the facts" will reduce corruption
2) sure
3) you cannot stop emotional impulse through education for the same reason you can't stop your height from growing with education. it's a natural process. btw, children under the age of 1 already show emotions such as tribalism. Once again, you have to tell me how you teach people not to be ambitious. I need evidence. you can't simply say, we are going to make them not ambitious

even stuff that is important later in life such as taxes, finance etc is hardly touched on at all at least here

not sure how it is in other countries ofc

1) You state several beliefs, quotes, etc regarding the moral topic, you get a good teacher to explain every possible view of the topic, and let the students, through debating and research, form an opinion. Knowing the facts isn't a way to reduce corruption, it's a way education can be objective, without being biased or promoting certain ideologies/beliefs/whatsoever, and a way through which students can form opinions.
3) You don't teach people not to be ambitious. You just reduce their ambitiousness by placing a roof over their heads, saying that's the highest they can ever reach. Should they reach the roof, they're not going higher. Should they attempt to go higher, they deal with the consequences. You also teach the student why that roof exists, and what can happen if the roof breaks. Moreover, as long as you can control emotions, the educational system could use several psychological (NOT psychiatrical) methods to let students master their emotions and become more reasonable.

@Pseudo-Analysist

What form of government are you actually advocating for? What is this roof?
On the emotional front, you aren't seeing what I'm getting at. I'm talking about moral emotions and how they effect people's political opinions. Being low in openness to experience and high in consciousness is a high predictor of conservativism. The inverse is a high predictor of progressivism. Being high in disgust sensitivity predicts authoritarianism and social conservatism. Low disgust sensitivity predicts social liberalism etc. No matter how many facts people know, they are always going to disagree because they are going to disagree on what should be done about the facts. @Koninos

Modified Direct Democracy, and the roof is the amount of power and position one can get in this Democratic system.

As for the people's emotions, they can be controlled and mastered through many ways, as I said. And by teaching discipline, the Democratic values and all, students can freely express their views, even if they're Authoritarian or conservative. One of the education's purpose should be to get students to understand why Democracy is important and vital for the population. And disagreeing with what should be done about the facts is a good thing, since the Educational System should promote debating between the students. But with placing that roof, the limit of power one can have, and in combination of mastering one's emotions and having discipline and many other important values, people's emotions place no threats to Democracy or the Educational System.

@Pseudo-Analysist

@Koninos how is power measured?

In the system I'm talking about, with the height of the position(s) one can have.

The higher the position, the more administrative power the person who acquires the position has.

@Pseudo-Analysist

Do you want me to ping you actually?

yes, we can keep pinging. if I don't respond on time it's because I'm doing something else.

What happens when people vote for more centralized governmental institutions? @Koninos

when they vote to increase the limit

Then the limit is increased.

It's up to them how they want their state to be run.

@Pseudo-Analysist

so the Educational System will refer to the current power limit when explaining to students why there is a power limit, whatever the current limit happens to be

@Koninos

I take it this is a majority vote system

Yes, and explain the need of a limit etc.

Actually the educational system should promote this Modified Direct Democratic System as much as it can, but also as objectively as it can. People love power, as you said earlier, so it's kinda hard for them to vote for a more centralized government. It could happen if the state was in the verge of collapsing.

@Pseudo-Analysist

They can vote for the creation of more public institutions (thus more centralized power) by creating a +51% coalition. Instead of having official campaigns like in a republic it would be unofficial. This maybe harder to organize, then again the average person is more educated so it might cancel out the costs.
How are teachers decided on?

The teachers should be decided by the educational reformers, a body of these 50 wisest and most well-educated people of the country that I told you about earlier. Direct voting on teachers would be a disaster unless all people were excellently educated, which should be the primary goal of the educational system, but it's too hard.

However the educational reformers should have the right to call for an election if they cannot decide between 2 or more Professors.

It's a system that I haven't really well thought of and needs a lot of improvement though @Pseudo-Analysist

Since you say wisest, I assume these reformers aren't democratically elected? @Koninos

They are. They should be the 50 wisest and most well-educated and knowledgeable etc people in the sight of the country's population.

How is this decided upon?

Like a normal election. The candidates gather, present themselves, debates are organized and the elections happen. The 50 first are in the Educational Reforming Body.

So a +51% majority could appoint whoever they want?

Yes, but not exactly whoever they want.

There will be a body, elected from the people again, which sets the requirements that one needs to have in order to run for, say, the Educational Reforming Body. So the people can't elect a butcher for that Body's President.

So a +51% majority can appoint +25 smart people that would have their interests in mind.

Mhm, but take into account that the interests one can have on the educational sector are more or less limited.

manipulated the curricula is a very power weapon if you believe that education changes what people believe.
this is the reason why many right-wings in the US want to abolish the national education system

True, but as long as there are certain laws that guarantee certain values that the educational system must have (i.e. objectiveness), the educational system won't be corrupted.

Also public opinion is fluid, and it can change quickly. Elections should happen frequently.

who enforces these values?
I don't know how fluid opinions are. you may drift between niche positions, but switching broad political sides is rare.

The law, which is above all.

the law can stop me from committing a crime?

The law can veto a political Body's decision.

why do police officers exist?

The Educational Reforming Body cannot make the educational system subjective because that would be emergency elections.

There are crimes that police officers can control, and others that police officers can't control.

You won't call the police for an Impeachment, for example.

but the laws themselves can't control anything whatsoever.
if the President is fully impeached and he refuses to step down, men with guns will be called
who are the police officers of your educational standards?

Yeah I mean okay, of course and the Police, or even the army, will intervene if, say, the Educational Reforming Body refuses to step down. And they'll be all killed btw. But since it's unlikely to happen, you just summon the Body to court, to testify.

And there are no police officers dedicated to the educational sector.

yes, violence is unlikely to occur. What is more likely to occur is that the officials will turn a blind eye with enough political pressure

True. So um, I need to go study now actually, so I'll have to go away for the next few hours. It was really nice talking to ya, and I hope we can continue this conversation later. See ya, for now.

👋

https://www.isegoria.net/2008/07/robert-conquests-three-laws-of-politics/

Best Fanfic of this year

I know some people on here claim Stalin was anti Jew, thoughts?

@Eoppa That quote is taken way out of context. He isn't a semite, he is establishing as with most of his policies or sayings - discipline. Any sort of action that could make people take matters into their own hands (in this case, anti-semitism) in his eyes should be supressed.

Read up on Doctor's Plot, he had plans to purge the Jews in the bolshevik party and remove all of them from the CCCP

Makes sense

He was only anti-Jewish as far as the cosmopolitan laws were meant to be established meaning only those who supported various forms of anti-Soviet ideas. Jews were also only persecuted from a religious basis not racial. I would say the failure is the lack of racial persecution.

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***ChristianConfed#2235 has been warned., Follow the rules***

What the heck

Follow the rules

@ChristianConfed Christian fascist, What a faggot.

there is more evidence for The Buddha than Jesus Christ

That Jesus Christ existed as a physical person, or that he is the Son of God? @Small Man

Historians nearly universally agree that Jesus Christ of Nazareth existed as a real person

both

they can agree

but that doesn't mean shit

does 90 percent of climate scientists agreeing that climate change exists means climate change exists?

no

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

There is certainly evidence supporting the position of confirmation, but can you show anything contrary?

So, Warren....
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https://twitter.com/BokoHarambe/status/1222962842346889216?s=09

Huh

Absolute state of Modern America

@OrthoGoat I agree spiritualiam is important, happiness isn't a physical object. You "gain" happiness when disturbing elements are disposed from your mind, such as desires. In the same way a dirty mirror struggles to reflect light, a dirty mind struggles to reflect the light of God, the source of happiness.

fax

@Small Man Buddha is not a god in buddhism

yes

you are correct

He is just one guy who reached the nirvana