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2020-01-03 02:21:25 UTC

Well if markets influence culture, that which we cannot know what is, then we cannot discuss it

2020-01-03 02:21:32 UTC

too little knowledge

2020-01-03 02:21:42 UTC

Free Markets mean corporations will always attempt to make as much money as possible

2020-01-03 02:22:04 UTC

Not necessarily, again, workarounds can exist

2020-01-03 02:22:23 UTC

A free market can exist without the free exploitation of resources

2020-01-03 02:22:25 UTC

This means they will inevitably drift towards consumerism, greed, unethical marketing, etc

2020-01-03 02:22:37 UTC

Can you show me a real example of one?

2020-01-03 02:22:45 UTC

Which has been tested by time?

2020-01-03 02:23:03 UTC

don't have to, i said they can exist.

2020-01-03 02:23:15 UTC

Im talking realistically

2020-01-03 02:23:34 UTC

me too <a:shruganimated:421995622346784768> , a lack of imagination or insight is not an argument

2020-01-03 02:23:37 UTC

Here let me copy paste my economic policy so you understand where im coming from

2020-01-03 02:23:39 UTC

i've laid out the concept

2020-01-03 02:24:22 UTC

Ah shit i dont have it, hol up let me write it.

2020-01-03 02:26:20 UTC

In summary, private industry is allowed to exist but if they in any way act against the intrests of the state or betray the people (price hike, artificially limiting supply, unethical marketing tactic, promoting moral degeneracy, poor working conditions, not keeping wages up with inflation and buying power, etc etc) then the CEOs are executed and the company nationalized.

2020-01-03 02:26:55 UTC

No company would want to exist in that hellhole

2020-01-03 02:27:03 UTC

Except you're wrong

2020-01-03 02:27:10 UTC

war-time germany

2020-01-03 02:27:50 UTC

I said want. Being coerced with force is not free choice

2020-01-03 02:27:57 UTC

And even if they didnt, social polarization would lead to a point where it's either that or the communists completley cease all private property and industry

2020-01-03 02:28:01 UTC

Who cares about what they want?

2020-01-03 02:28:08 UTC


2020-01-03 02:28:12 UTC

I dont care.

2020-01-03 02:28:20 UTC

The intrestss of the state and people come first.

2020-01-03 02:28:26 UTC

a culture is influenced by things such as politics and economics as well as history, if your from lets say the USSR in the 1950 you have the history of being a socialist revolutionary, but if you reject socialist doctrine and you reject there economics and culture that is dialectical and historical materialism you are not really part of that culture are you
Everything that makes up a culture is subject to change
I mean the west used to be pagan, and I think it is fair at this point to say it used to be christian, all of which caused MASSIVELY different cultures
by default since a culture is subject to change
and a culture can change because people in the culture change, this means peopel alter culture and change how they think and thus people can adopt different cultures.


How do you respond?

2020-01-03 02:28:56 UTC
2020-01-03 02:29:13 UTC

Not caring is not an argument. Besides, you just basically laid the foundation for an authoritarian system, not whatever culture is, so it has no relevancy to the actual discussion

2020-01-03 02:29:15 UTC

if you accept what i say you can't be an ethno-nationalist

2020-01-03 02:29:20 UTC

@Clincoin Yes it is.

2020-01-03 02:29:32 UTC
2020-01-03 02:29:33 UTC

Say in one sentence how it has relevancy

2020-01-03 02:29:58 UTC

@Maksim why ```and thus people can adopt different cultures.``` This means culture is not tied to race

2020-01-03 02:30:03 UTC

@Clincoin Because since i dont care, that ends the argument about care of the markets -the market's input on the matter is irrelevant.

2020-01-03 02:30:26 UTC

So you negate the entire discussion because you say you don't care. Then why pose it in the first place

2020-01-03 02:30:28 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer No, its the same culture and people that change in of themselves

2020-01-03 02:30:33 UTC

waste of my time smh

2020-01-03 02:30:41 UTC

@Clincoin I said I dont care about the Market's input

2020-01-03 02:30:45 UTC

Of what they want

2020-01-03 02:31:00 UTC

Not caring is not an argument. Besides, you just basically laid the foundation for an authoritarian system, not whatever culture is, so it has no relevancy to the actual discussion
Say in one sentence how it has relevancy

2020-01-03 02:31:17 UTC

Who said it isnt?

2020-01-03 02:32:23 UTC

Now prove that concept is feasible, how would it work.

2020-01-03 02:32:47 UTC

@Maksim where is my logic wrong

2020-01-03 02:33:03 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer Where is your logic correct

2020-01-03 02:33:17 UTC

I mean

2020-01-03 02:33:26 UTC

I am making a case I view as logical

2020-01-03 02:33:32 UTC

I dont view it as logical

2020-01-03 02:33:33 UTC

and substanitated by basic history

2020-01-03 02:33:39 UTC

Gonna need a source

2020-01-03 02:33:42 UTC

I am asking where it went wrong

2020-01-03 02:33:45 UTC

I gave one

2020-01-03 02:34:00 UTC

Free Markets, even those limited to national borders (which then isnt a free market, but thats besides the point) will not pay regard to moral code

2020-01-03 02:34:10 UTC

The change of europe from pagan triablism to statist paganism to statist christianist to statist secularism

2020-01-03 02:34:13 UTC

@Maksim It's a statement, it assumes it is feasible. If people claim ownership or limitations then sure, it is doable <a:shruganimated:421995622346784768>

2020-01-03 02:34:38 UTC

@Clincoin I dont assume its feasible

2020-01-03 02:35:01 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer What does that have to do with anything?

2020-01-03 02:35:30 UTC

for the sake of charitability one doesn't debate like that... i'm off, peace

2020-01-03 02:35:47 UTC

So I have to assume your plan is feasible? Lmao no

2020-01-03 02:36:52 UTC

That is not how debates work

2020-01-03 02:48:15 UTC


2020-01-03 02:48:20 UTC

@Maksim are you illiterate? If this change in culture happened then that means the people can change there culture they subscribe to in there life, thus culture is not ethnically inherent

2020-01-03 02:48:58 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer They changed religion not the culture itself

2020-01-03 02:49:37 UTC

A culture is a collection of many things do you mean to unironically suggest that tribal european culture of around 1000 BC is at all similar to modern european culture?

2020-01-03 02:49:45 UTC


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2020-01-03 02:50:04 UTC

Tales, figures, customs

2020-01-03 02:54:13 UTC

@Maksim I challenge you to write a response that is > 100 words

2020-01-03 02:54:49 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer how can you be liberal and conservative at the same time

2020-01-03 02:54:57 UTC

also libertarians are liberals

2020-01-03 02:55:00 UTC
2020-01-03 02:55:22 UTC

@Deleted User Liberal as in enlightenment Liberal

2020-01-03 02:55:34 UTC

@Maksim intellectual cowardice personifed but ok

2020-01-03 02:55:35 UTC

@Deleted User wait are you seriously that otto guy??

2020-01-03 02:55:41 UTC

they are still liberals

2020-01-03 02:55:44 UTC

From league of politics?

2020-01-03 02:55:50 UTC


2020-01-03 02:55:56 UTC

lmao why'd you leave

2020-01-03 02:55:56 UTC

i am not otto

2020-01-03 02:56:03 UTC

jewcord did not ban me

2020-01-03 02:56:05 UTC

under the Liberalism defintion yes but then conservatives are as well

2020-01-03 02:56:30 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer I am under no obligation to write over 100 words.

2020-01-03 02:56:33 UTC

libertarians are not conservatives

2020-01-03 02:56:40 UTC

they are liberals

2020-01-03 02:56:54 UTC

founding fathers were libtards

2020-01-03 02:57:29 UTC

Yes that is why I said under that defintion of Liberalism yes, and American republicans are also Liberals under that defintion I am saying I am a combination of those positions

2020-01-03 02:58:11 UTC

@Maksim I mean sure, but you are not actually responding to me your just saying stuff so if you don't want to have a serious conversation stop

2020-01-03 02:58:11 UTC

they are neocons so they are liberals

2020-01-03 02:58:22 UTC

paleocons are not liberals

2020-01-03 02:58:40 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer I don't have serious discussions with dishonest and lying people.

2020-01-03 02:59:00 UTC

Name one lie I have told

2020-01-03 02:59:26 UTC
2020-01-03 02:59:43 UTC

if you can't you are lying about me being a liar

2020-01-03 03:01:31 UTC

which is ironic actually

2020-01-03 03:01:36 UTC

"and substanitated by basic history" - no source
"all of which caused MASSIVELY different cultures" - no source or evidence that a majority of the culture has changed
"makes up a culture is subject to change" - dishonest and irrelevant point, attempting to make an irrelevant claim that is disingenious

2020-01-03 03:01:48 UTC

Alright ima go eat

2020-01-03 03:05:35 UTC

I gave evidence, "The change of europe from pagan triablism to statist paganism to statist christianist to statist secularism" I mean under your defintion of culture things changed, I am not sure what else you want

```the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.``` Is your defintion of culture, the nations of tribal europe no longer exist, the people of tribal europe also don't exist ethnically anymore really, the arts have ABSOLUTELY changed for example modern art is very different to roman art, social institutions changed, instead of sacrificing animals we went to christianity, and furthurmore paganism was not really allowed under christian rule, and then we went to secularism, finally customs changed because you know tribal government is very very different that modern european burecratic government

2020-01-03 03:05:37 UTC
2020-01-03 03:26:27 UTC

wig history

2020-01-03 03:26:29 UTC

nothing is linear

2020-01-03 03:26:32 UTC

nothing worth looking at, anyway

2020-01-03 03:26:42 UTC

drawing a straight line between two things is a good indication that your conclusion is wrong

2020-01-03 03:26:44 UTC

because nothing is linear

2020-01-03 03:34:41 UTC

@sporus your right nothing is linear, I am simpily saying that we can look at time and realize how is culture has changed and is not dependent on race

2020-01-03 03:35:26 UTC


2020-01-03 03:36:41 UTC

different races made different societies

2020-01-03 03:36:53 UTC

new races immigrating into new territories assimilate into the native race

2020-01-03 03:36:55 UTC

or else conquer the natives

2020-01-03 03:37:23 UTC


2020-01-03 03:37:50 UTC

they are not assimilating into a native race they are assimilating into a native state

2020-01-03 06:32:07 UTC

Culture is just selectively curated anyways

2020-01-03 13:22:03 UTC

The United States themselves don't have a prevalent culture, because the country was created by many different people, with many different cultures. Throughout the ages, some cultures merged, people adopted other cultures, thus these cultures disappeared from the USA, etc. In the 21st century, there are few people who have customs, and that's because of Christianity. Thanks to progress and capitalism, America's most prevalent culture became consumerism, one could say. While a few people continue to have customs, it's not only customs that make up a culture, but ย isย made upย of the values, beliefs, underlying assumptions, attitudes, and behaviors shared by a group of people.ย Cultureย  is something like the behavior which results into some generally unspoken and unwritten rules that the members of this culture follow, and which "dictate" the way they act. That's why many people say that Consumerism is the modern American Culture. But if you think about it, this modern American culture is very blur, and not like the other European, or Asian, or African cultures. In Africa, for example, the people's culture dictates how they act, behave, live, etc. In America, not at all.

2020-01-03 13:22:06 UTC
2020-01-03 13:22:16 UTC
2020-01-03 13:23:05 UTC

So apparently there is a modern American culture, but it's too blur, and of the surface, and that's why many people deny its existence.

2020-01-03 13:23:11 UTC

In my most humble opinion.

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2020-01-03 20:26:09 UTC

I agree @Koninos

2020-01-03 20:26:46 UTC


2020-01-04 00:13:11 UTC

@Koninos American culture is complicated yes I don't deny that, but to suggest we don't have a culture at all is delusional just because it has not been developed over the course of thousands of years does not mean it is not a culture, we check most of the boxes of a culture

2020-01-04 00:25:19 UTC


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2020-01-04 00:25:24 UTC

Pick one

2020-01-04 00:27:44 UTC
2020-01-04 00:31:21 UTC

Why can people here not make an arguement that is longer than 100 words

2020-01-04 00:33:48 UTC

Because America has no defined culture and is just a cluster of several cultures mashed together

2020-01-04 00:33:56 UTC

Different regions have different cultures

2020-01-04 00:34:32 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer It's not complicated. It's blur and of the surface, with no depth, thus no complications. Too simple and too small when related to other cultures. And it has been developed. From the European cultures that had been once carried from Europe to our country, now, only Consumerism and a few customs remain, most of which are thanks to Christianity.

2020-01-04 00:34:55 UTC

Also arguments need to be to-the-point, not necessarily paragraphs of more than 100 words.

2020-01-04 00:38:41 UTC

@Koninos I was refering to this
Pick one```
This is not an arguement

2020-01-04 00:38:45 UTC


2020-01-04 00:39:17 UTC

I again did not say that america had the most developed culture, but I fail to see how we lack one

2020-01-04 00:39:21 UTC

what points are we missing

2020-01-04 00:41:14 UTC

Yes, I know. There are many edgy and retarded people in here, you'll have to get used to it if you are to stay in the server.

In reality, we don't lack a culture. But many say we do, mainly because they follow a culture of depth, instead of ours, which is of the surface. We don't have a defined one though. Certain regions have different cultures.

2020-01-04 00:41:48 UTC

Sure but that is the same for all cultures

2020-01-04 00:41:59 UTC

all cultures can be infinitly reduced to the individual

2020-01-04 00:42:12 UTC

I mean northern germany is different from bavaria

2020-01-04 00:42:16 UTC

and bavaria has town cultures

2020-01-04 00:42:26 UTC

and town cultures has various other things

2020-01-04 00:42:28 UTC


2020-01-04 00:42:32 UTC

same with the USA

2020-01-04 00:44:01 UTC

Yes, that's true. But if you take Eastern European nations as an example, or Asian and African ones, you will see that culture plays an extremely major role in one's life.

2020-01-04 00:44:26 UTC

As for Germany it is at the same cultural level with the USA, if we are to accept this term.

2020-01-04 00:44:44 UTC

I mean people take parts of culture seriously

2020-01-04 00:45:40 UTC

Yes, depending on the culture.

2020-01-04 00:45:45 UTC

And depending on the people.

2020-01-04 00:46:34 UTC

sure but my point was that people can adopt any culture they want by the mere fact people can voluntarily affect and change the culture they live in radically or in small ways, and thus culture is not tied to race.

2020-01-04 00:47:45 UTC

Yup, that's absolutely true.

2020-01-04 00:48:46 UTC

all my responses from people have been one word big brain answers like no u

2020-01-04 00:53:38 UTC


2020-01-04 01:33:37 UTC

#dead chat

2020-01-04 01:36:06 UTC

For now.

2020-01-04 01:58:11 UTC

@Koninos Don't talk about being edgy because you are likely the edgiest person here

2020-01-04 01:58:23 UTC

Your humor consists of shock value shit

2020-01-04 01:59:40 UTC

@Deleted User You're the one who thinks that Hitler's world would be good, not me. You're the one with the edgiest beliefs between the two of us, yet can't speak for the entirety of the server, since it's full with edgy extremists.

2020-01-04 02:03:31 UTC

Iโ€™m talking about the consistency of your humor. World beliefs aside you just try to be edgy because it tickles your lack of intricate humor.

2020-01-04 02:06:02 UTC


2020-01-04 02:06:09 UTC

Hitlers world view is not good

2020-01-04 02:06:40 UTC

The truth is everyone hates the subject, I donโ€™t care if Iโ€™m edgy, I just want to know the truth. And the truth is that every single claim of "edgy belief" is just a postmodern form of ridicule, shaming, gossiping and rallying.

2020-01-04 02:07:15 UTC


2020-01-04 02:07:21 UTC

Fascism is based.

2020-01-04 02:07:30 UTC

Is fascism truth to you?

2020-01-04 02:07:34 UTC


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2020-01-04 02:07:45 UTC

Hitler sure was a funny guy.


2020-01-04 02:08:05 UTC

Agreed. The ultimate pursuit of the truth is something that will forever be ridiculed, as Satan would disdain the world had it been showered in truth and purity.

2020-01-04 02:08:28 UTC

The true and ultimate sin is the ignorance of the truth.

2020-01-04 02:08:40 UTC

was killing the Jews the right thing Mongolite?

2020-01-04 02:09:25 UTC


2020-01-04 02:09:55 UTC

Lol, and you are a christian?

2020-01-04 02:10:17 UTC

The Jews had betrayed Germany during WW1, and even funded several wars before that beginning from the Napoleonic era.

2020-01-04 02:10:27 UTC

m8 like a 4th of the SS officers were jewish.

2020-01-04 02:10:49 UTC

you've just been listening to the shills on /pol/

2020-01-04 02:10:58 UTC

you know hitler had jewish blood right?

2020-01-04 02:11:18 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer Yes. And before you recall any Jewish trick you may have heard, in KJV it says that Jews are but ambassadors of satan.

2020-01-04 02:11:39 UTC

thats not what it says.

2020-01-04 02:11:40 UTC

@Deleted User so King David is an ambassator of satan?

2020-01-04 02:11:42 UTC

Revelation 3:9

2020-01-04 02:11:42 UTC

2020-01-04 02:11:54 UTC

its says they are fake jews

2020-01-04 02:12:01 UTC


2020-01-04 02:12:02 UTC

idiot (mongolite)

2020-01-04 02:12:05 UTC

@Chief Rocket Designer When I say the server's full of idiotic extremists, I mean it.

2020-01-04 02:12:08 UTC

they pretend to be jewish but are actually satanists

2020-01-04 02:12:17 UTC


2020-01-04 02:12:24 UTC

literally illiterate

2020-01-04 02:12:41 UTC

If you wanna offload all the blame onto the jews then you have no sense of nuance

2020-01-04 02:12:49 UTC

@Deleted User so was King David and his line an ambassator of satan?

2020-01-04 02:13:10 UTC

Idiot answer me

2020-01-04 02:13:18 UTC

Lets be honest, Itโ€™s just race. In homogenous polities it is class. In heterogenous polities it is race. The experiment is over. Democracy lost. National Socialism (fascism) won.

2020-01-04 02:13:19 UTC

Thatโ€™s the wrong version

2020-01-04 02:13:20 UTC


2020-01-04 02:13:31 UTC

KJV is the only real version

2020-01-04 02:13:45 UTC

Don't dodge

2020-01-04 02:13:51 UTC

@Deleted User so was King David and his line an ambassator of satan?

2020-01-04 02:13:56 UTC


2020-01-04 02:13:56 UTC

stop being an intellectual coward

2020-01-04 02:14:12 UTC

basically the same thing

2020-01-04 02:14:19 UTC

and answer me

2020-01-04 02:14:27 UTC

m8 that doesn;t say anything about the actual jews being satanic

2020-01-04 02:14:31 UTC

I am not educated upon King David enough to understand it.

2020-01-04 02:14:32 UTC


2020-01-04 02:14:36 UTC


2020-01-04 02:14:46 UTC


2020-01-04 02:14:47 UTC

โ€œSynagogue of satanโ€

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2020-01-04 02:14:52 UTC

are you an idiot

2020-01-04 02:15:02 UTC

@Deleted User read the next 5 words

2020-01-04 02:15:04 UTC

You disdain me for admitting a truth of myself

2020-01-04 02:15:12 UTC

you are being intentionally obtuse are you not?

2020-01-04 02:15:24 UTC

If i do not comprehend something enough i will not pretend as if i do.

2020-01-04 02:15:33 UTC

@Deleted User King David was the king of Israel choses by God

2020-01-04 02:15:38 UTC

fucking idiot

2020-01-04 02:15:49 UTC

read your damn bible you illitereate fool

2020-01-04 02:15:51 UTC

Ngl Mormons are cool

2020-01-04 02:15:53 UTC

You are being egotistical

2020-01-04 02:15:58 UTC

Fine i am

2020-01-04 02:16:01 UTC

because your a fool

2020-01-04 02:16:12 UTC

In any case, the topic of it was that Jews are of satan, and no more.

2020-01-04 02:16:15 UTC

Mormons are kinda crazy but I'm down with polygamy

2020-01-04 02:16:16 UTC

Fuckin hell

2020-01-04 02:16:26 UTC

@Deleted User these jesus was of satan under your logic

2020-01-04 02:16:37 UTC

since he was a Jew, by the line of David who was chosen by God

2020-01-04 02:16:39 UTC

Upon when Jews were denied the covenant they wished to destroy Christians, and nothing mote.

2020-01-04 02:16:53 UTC

Then Jesus was denied the coveneant

2020-01-04 02:16:56 UTC

I am speaking of Religious Jews, not ethnic.

2020-01-04 02:16:58 UTC

mongolite is either mentally ill and projecting or mentally ill and trolling.

2020-01-04 02:17:06 UTC


2020-01-04 02:17:14 UTC

We are talking about ethnic

2020-01-04 02:17:21 UTC

I am speaking of Religion

2020-01-04 02:17:25 UTC

Polygamy is dysgenic.

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2020-01-04 02:17:49 UTC

I care not of Genealogy, for that is a sin.

2020-01-04 02:17:50 UTC

The fact is you should know who King David is dumbass

2020-01-04 02:18:30 UTC

```989 Bible results for โ€œDavid.โ€```

2020-01-04 02:18:37 UTC

Fuckin Hell

2020-01-04 02:18:51 UTC

I know who King David is but iโ€™m not educated enough to say much on it.

2020-01-04 02:18:58 UTC

Get to your point anyways.

2020-01-04 02:19:14 UTC

you don't think ethnic jews should be exterminated right?

2020-01-04 02:19:41 UTC

Not based upon ethnicity, but based upon Zionism and Religion.

2020-01-04 02:19:42 UTC

the satanists pretend to follow many religions.

2020-01-04 02:20:14 UTC

Ok I mean we can address the other points but I wanted to make sure we are not claiming that on ethnic grounds

2020-01-04 02:20:22 UTC

now why do you think they should be exterminated on religous grounds

2020-01-04 02:20:26 UTC

Revelation 2:9
โ€œI know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.โ€

2020-01-04 02:20:26 UTC

2020-01-04 02:20:34 UTC

Fuck off RSV version

2020-01-04 02:20:39 UTC

KJV for life

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