Point is I don't look towards empirical data to make synthetic analysis.

Modern physics, which is distorted, can only attain analytic knowledge. It's divorced from philosophy.

Physics cannot answer all questions, you know.

That's why you have Meta-Physics.

Come on, its the dumbest view in the book, to rely exclusively on sensory perception. You know that this is erroneous. You cannot always trust your senses.

ok so light emitted from distant astronomical objects, such as galaxies, is shifted towards the red end of the electromagnetic spectrum, this is known as the doppler effect, and when applied to light, it is called redshift. The amount of redshift observed corresponds with the distant of said object, meaning that everything in the universe is moving away from eachother. They are moving at a rate of 71 km/s/mpc, and if you graph this, you find they must have all been "on top of eachother"

By the way my subject of expertise happens to be mathematics.

bam

big bang proved

well when you combine it with cosmic microwave backround radiation

I'm not sure if you're aware, but there's a lot of mainstream dissent on Darwinism by mathematicians.

buddy

did you just ignore what i said

i gave you scientific evidence for the big bang

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Yes, I ignored it, because you do not understand how worldviews form. How you can have faulty presuppositions. And how ''facts'' are contingent upon those preconceived ideas. Thus, what you call a fact is in fact only an interpretation, for countless theories could be made to conform to such things.

so you don't think redshift is real

its just a libtarded lie

That's why I object to modern physics. Because it's constant speculation.

do you or do you not

think redshift is real

I think it's irrelevant to what you are saying.

its very relevant

because it proves the big bang

it proves that everything is moving away from eachother, and therefore must have been closer

You didn't listen to a thing I just said.

Imagine your mind is like an operating system. Well, Addie, you were given a very faulty one. Sorry.

how old do you think the universe is?

Besides, how do you explain such things as information theory, where we have information coded within our DNA? @Riley

From everything we understand about information, it is impossible for this to originate without Mind.

wait answer my question first

how old do you think the universe is

No, because you are trying to build a strawman argument, even though I have not outwardly declared myself a creationist.

im not making an argument

im asking a question

I simply said that creationism is not how you perceive it. It's not a bunch of atheists and Protestants debating whether the world is 6000 years old.

It refers to the origin of man, which is 'creation ex nihilo'.

ok i got that

i already know

That is what makes Christianity distinct from say Platonism/Hinduism.

As Hinduism believes that the world is formed out of pre-existing matter.

can you demonstrate that a God created the universe or man?

Hence the doctrine of reincarnation of the transmigration of souls.

How can man create the universe?

man didn't

Man is a finite, fallible being. I think that makes it potently obvious that man is a created being, and everything that has a beginning, must have an end.

ok prove it

Prove what?

that man was created by a God lmfao

That everything that has a beginning must have an end?

Do you believe in higher degrees of reality?

Do you believe in essences/ideals?

what do you mean by higher degrees of reality

4 dimensions, 5th dimensions etc..

well thats what string theory predicts

though it hasnt really been confirmed yet

as far as i know

Phhh, you cannot escape speculative theories, can you?

Do numbers exist?

thats not very relevant lmao

It is relevant.

Because this is outside of the material realm.

numbers simply quantify the material realm

This is to presuppose that there is a world outside of our own, a more 'real' world I suppose.

.

But they are not. Numbers are universal. They exist independent of your mind's perception.

There is an objective reality.

uhh ok?

I believe in a celestial hierarchy, and the existence of the supreme Being/the one, manifested as pure Being, whose essence is that of pure truth, pure beauty, etc ...

ok can you prove it

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I can and I have.

And I could continue to do so.

no, no you havnet

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you have been vague this entire conversation

You are displaying what is called 'cognitive dissonance'.

i asked you to prove that God created man

and you started talking about whether or not numbers are real

like

can you answer the damn question?

"In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort experienced by a person who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. This discomfort is triggered by a situation in which a person's belief clashes with new evidence perceived by the person."

alright so we are going to continue to dodge the question

Well, seen as you love analytic data and modern revelations so much, I guess you the example of DNA.

And how this requires a Mind.

ok what about DNA

A mind independent of the world.

biochemistry is not my specialty but ill give it a shot

ok

prove it

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You don't need to be versed in biochemistry.

You only need to have a basic understanding of information theory, as well as understanding the Mind vs Matter debate.

The problem with you is you've been trained all your life to only believe in sensory data. That to you is what is called science.

Darwinism actually rejects logic.

Modern scientists like Neil DeGrasse Tyson will even say things like how we don't need philosophy anymore.

ok so you arent goign to prove it

I literally just gave you some fucking information, tranny.

yoru sorta going off on a tangent here

oh boy we are resorting to insults

no, you didn't lmao

Come back to me and explain how we have information coded within DNA, and how they can be explained through a pure materialist worldview.

have you ever tried looking it up

I am a former engineering student. I achieved 100% on all my papers, including my physics modules.

ok?

The thing is this, I affirm metaphysics, and believe that science cannot be divorced from that.

I have a synthetic perspective of things. Perhaps a holistic attitude is a better word.

let me ask you something else

do you know what the CMB is

I explained to you that your countless theories which you regard as fact are irrelevant unless you affirm true knowledge and objective reality. This is because what you regard as 'facts' are in fact interpretations of data based upon presuppositions. Every human does this. They put on their rose-tinted glasses.

these arent theories

not in the way you put it

these are observations

the CMB is an observation

the CMB tells us that the universe was once very dense and very hot

Yeah. God farted.

This conversation is pointless.

Atheists are literally the worst, most illogical people.

now put this with the redshift iw as talking about earlier

the universe was very dense and very hot, and everything is currently moving away from eachother

what does that tell you

this isnt rocket science

I understand some religious people are this way, but everyone knows this, and even overstates this. But in fact, atheists are the biggest offenders of this denial of logic. Pure cognitive dissonance.

ok more rambling

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And those religious people who make these seem violations are usually pseudo-religious people who promote nonsense like 'separation of church and state'.

Come back to me when you've down a little more reading into logic, tranny.

HAHA

the mean science tranny

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yea obviously we got here via ✨ M A G I C ✨

very logical

hey lets talk about active galactic nuclei

Phhh. Every tranny I met is just opposed to Christianity. They don't actually have their own worldview or ideas.

which show us galactic evolution

because Christianity is stupid

And I keep attracting these dumb trannies. Must be my aftershave.

so

about those AGN

what do you think

we can literally see galaxies being created

and we know that it happened a long time ago

because of their distance

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hey you said you like math, so you must know what the function A(t) = Aₒe^(tk) means

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@Alric the Bretwalda just keep in mind rule 11

@Maksim You're on my side this time. 😉

@Alric the Bretwalda ?

te fut in gura

jews are bad mkay

Guy tries arguing DNA isn't real

i told u a recession was coming

800 points

telling me the yield curve means nothing

The boomer parents were listening to Rush Limbaugh and he literally said "recession only happens if you put yourself in a recession mindset"

Was saying that the more people who fear a recession the more likely a recession will be

"Stop listening to the media lies, think positively about the economy and a recession will not happen"

"If we ignore our problems, they just go away!"

It does have a degree of truth to it

Why do I never see Addie talking about anything other than christianity

Like seriously

There are other things a person can talk about

Also @Alric the Bretwalda what type of Christian are you

@Veritas Why does everyone suggest that I'm Christian?

I am merely defending metaphysical principles like a good Traditionalist would do.

wait
The big bang theory is that the universe is moving apart from a central point that once existed
i dont see how this = no god really

red shift etc is just evidence that it is indeed moving away from this point

I mean you can believe in scientific theories and still believe in God

They not mutually exclusive

so what is fenrir arguing about? lol

oof

i just assumed because of these

so hes butchering perennialism by confusing it with neo vendata as a whole

also
apparently jeffrey epstein has a hyoid break which basically means he was 99% assassinated

@Veritas <:garfielf:555584831589711892>

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Good morning and #HillaryBodyCount

https://t.co/YIjayur7R9?amp=1

Nice suicide Hillary! I’m sure Epstein was just as surprised as everyone else.

Ohh boiii

when you commit suicide by fracturing your neck in a way that basically never happens in isolation

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Hello fellow whites

@Deleted User Your posts were dumb.

@Deleted User @Veritas Perhaps the pair of you should stop inferring things I haven't said.

nah youre alright @Alric the Bretwalda

@Deleted User Oh wait, you're a dumb Nazi.

Nice to know. Neck yourself.

oof

The whole argument was a defence of metaphysics and how people's 'brute facts' are contingent upon their presuppositions, which may indeed be faulty.

I also said that materialists in their desire to satisfy their own causality, replace the true causes of things with imaginary ones. This is what I was denouncing.

@Riley continued their error of scientism.

you can use science without being a scientist
i dont think you realise this

but whateve

@Deleted User I never said you couldn't. I said that science cannot and should not be divorced from philosophy. I also lamented analytic knowledge being utilised, as opposed to a more synthetic knowledge.

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Who is the owner of this server

@Deleted User is the owner i think

Big fan of this @Deleted User he has the aristocratic spirit that is necessary for a true rebirth of a new elite.

what ol' bean?

I am an elite

I am a Jewish freemason demon

Me and you are on the same side. I appoint you as my right-hand man. I'm tired of all the fascist/NS larpers who are completely swamped up in biological racism. @Deleted User

Are you Christian?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re7VwCnOduE&t

also, on the demon paedophile elites.

@Deleted User we need to have a talk

why ol' chum.

demons

arent

fucking

real

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They are.

@Riley He's my right-hand man. Don't think he will sell out.

Bonjour

But ok.

got any proof

I can give you an interview from an exorcist.

and listen to his testimony.

@Deleted User Catholics and Orthodox only. No Protestants.

i don't care about what some old catholic boomer says

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Demons aren't real

Ok just so you know hell is eternal.

hell isnt real neither

and you cannot be a Christian without belief in the devil.

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Demons are real. And to deny them will be a death sentence in the new theocracy that me and my right-hand man @Deleted User will build.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re7VwCnOduE&t

fuck sake

sounds like both of you need to talk with me

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_wbro4KGZQ&t

yea i don't believe him. I want actual evidence

not testimonies

I'm a libtard who just joined

i know experiments, observations

science

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@Alric the Bretwalda remember the last time we talked about God

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have you observed a vagina as you sound like you have not how do you know they are real if you have not observed one in person?