Without god this is the way

But I do believe so I can’t follow you

Sorry

God bless

what exactly are you meaning by transhumanism, it seems kind of vague

ascending the human condition - mentally and physiologically

through the integration of humanity with its technology

so its more like post humanism then really

no, its transhumanism lol

well if you are moving beyond human then you are becoming something else yes?

the ideology is called transhumanism

post humanism is just a current of transhumanism

no post humanism is a philosophy analogous to humanism as postmodernism is to modernism

I'm not a right winger

why not

what separates you from right wingers

regardless
what exactly does your particular strain of transhumanism want to achieve

@el pebble my economic values

I'm pretty much juche

why is that left wing

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i want you to break this down

@Deleted User it's singularitarianism

anyway i need to go scratch my balls brb

i want humanity to integrate with artifical superintelligence at the cusp of singularity

how would you overcome the problem of a hedonic treadmill?

@el pebble

that would be my issue with that form of transhumanism

i dont entirely buy the idea of the hedonic treadmill, nor think it will be a factor as it seems to be alterable neurochemically (drug addictions changing one's hedonic set point) which means it probably can be altered in a benign way

neuroticism seems more important to look at

so youre going to drug people in order to prevent their emotional state from changing

this is getting wacky imo

that's not what i said

Just that it is alterable, and that it ultimately has no impact because it is simply a baseline

so you want to do away with normal baseline emotions?

I ultimately think emotional concepts will be deconstructed eventually but no, I just dont think the hedonic treadmill is an issue

so you do want to do away with emotions as a concept

why not just lobotomise everyone on the planet so that they can no longer feel pain?

I don't have an opinion on the progression of the human psyche through integration

just autonomy

so you dont care about whether we have any experience of emotions?

I don't particularly worry if synthesis will ultimately shed us the chemical reactions that lead to certain emotions

well
you could achieve your goals of transhumanism by lobotomising people why not just do that

I'd posit to you that humans are limited in what they perceive, feel and experience

if you think this is equivalent to lobotomizing people youre being disingenuous

I'd posit to you that humans are limited in what they perceive, feel and experience (2)

transhumanism could alternatively lead to much more to perception

emotions and experience etc

well now we are back to the problem of the hedonic treadmill
why would we want this perception if it wont really make a long lasting or genuine impact?

the long lasting impact is the broadening beyond our limitations

it isnt about a continuous dopamine kick

but we know that this is not sustainable due to the characteristics of the hedonic treadmill

we will return to baseline

and no real benefit will have been gained

you are defining benefit by a set point of happiness of a person

broadening of limitations does not seem to correlate with happiness very well

why is happiness undesirable?

when did i say it was undesirable

I just don't think a pseudopsychological idea is the defining heuristic of benefit

i dont really believe the idea of a hedonic treadmill

you seem to imply that happiness is either meaningless or undesirable
so is benefit just being able to fire lasers out of your eyes?
i cant understand this effort to progress just for progressions sake

also
continuum fallacy

you are not understanding what i am saying

just because happiness is ''pseudopsychological'' does not render it invalid

the hedonic treadmill is pseudopsychological

not happiness

still
vagueness does not mean that it is invalid

the conflicting nature of finding benefit through different inhibitions and levels of chemicals that could be altered at anyone's wish anyway is just that

conflicting

the hedonic treadmill is pointless

dimensionalizing something arbitrary

how is it pointless?

it is applying dimensions to the specific fluctuation of chemicals of a person that is ever changing in its desire for certain stimuli

it is pointless to use this idea to determine benefit

why should benefit be about elevating above a baseline permanently

so that is your view of happiness
simply desiring stimuli

happiness is no more than a fluctuation of chemicals from stimuli

so you do not believe that there is a cognitive or immaterial part of the mind?

i do not believe in the immaterial

so you believe that your exact personality could be uploaded into a cyborg based purely on your brain chemistry and structure

yes

we could look at identical twins

i am a firm believer substrate-independent existence is possible and inevitable

identical twins do not share the same brain

so you dont want people to have experiences that play a role in the formation in personality

youre being silly now

no

the neuroticism of this discussion is making it unrealistic

not really
what is neurotic about this

the preying on the cynical of an idea that has the capacity to expand everything youre concerned about

preying on the cynical of an idea?
english please

what is the cynical of an idea

im not interested in talking to you anymore

there is a certain threshold of intelligence i can suffer

wahh wahh why wont they debate me

oh not you youre too dumb

There are no objections to transhumanism without religion

this

the only response to transhumanism is from an idolatry standpoint

i am simply asking questions that lay bare the absurdity of transhumanist propositions
i did not cite religion once

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thats pretty warm

Nice and cozy

"90f is so hot OMG I can't stand it I'ma die"

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90f is hot and only jungle negros say otherwise

anon is black confirmed

Lmao weakfucks

90f is nothing

We do mile runs in 105f

>90f
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LMAO

The white man can adapt to any environment if you disagree with that you are some subhuman

90f is a good sunny day

90f is not hot

112 is comfy

mad by lizard gang

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the ideal summer temperature for the white man is like

75

at most 80

anything higher is africa tier

Rate my new meme pls

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not funny didn't laugh

^^^^

ok

stop lying

you died

not funny

didn't laugh

>90f
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Lmao

How is it not funny

It's true though you cant deny that

@Deleted User gonna have to stop you right there bro

sorry

don't want risen to get butthurt

dm it to me instead

sorry bro, it's either me or anon

and I'm sure you'd rather have me

What

anti ukrainian sentiment

i wish it was just a meme

But ukrain not have putin!!!111

putin is based and good for russia

Putin ride horse he good leader!!!

unironically

he's not the best

russia has had better leaders

@Wiktor VI did you see anon's edgy post in <#587029563863990282> lol

but he's not the worst

He ain't good bruh

Gorbachev is the most based leader

Knyaz Vladimir was

Peter the Great

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Actually no that goes against my swedish pride

he's a w*sternizer

fag

That fucking guy fucked up our empire

Fuck Peter the Great

More like peter the not great!!!! XD!!!!!1

best russian leader was Sviatoslav though

he drove out the Khazars

Who

Knyaz Sviatoslav

No fucking idea

Gorbachev is the based Russian leader

did Gorbachev drive out the Khazars

don't think so

Wait this isn’t the other one

Thought that <#587029563863990282> was this chat

Wow

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https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/399356/

Imagine being the person who wrote this

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https://bigleaguepolitics.com/un-plans-new-global-censorship-push-to-combat-hate-speech/

world peace finally happenin! people are figuring out WW2, like the true story. please share! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/anti-gravity-b52-bombers-won-ww2-ari-asulin/?published=t
i think the thing that did it, when everyone realized trump was going to win in 2020 because the media had been lying about him for over 4 years straight, they realized the same principle might be true for the last 100 years of global warfare. i.e. the victors of WW2 created public schools to teach a false version of their victory. Kinda obvious really

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@protricity Next time you want to bring attention to something, go ahead and only post it in one channel.

i'll consider it

what the fuck

We need to end human violence.

Get rid of all humans.

If aliens exist, I hope they aren't leftists, or we are all fucked.

@Deleted User what the FMUCKign hapen kiev radiop\

@Deleted User If God is all powerful can he limit himself

What do you mean

He can decide to act within parameters that’s he sets

Such as not killing everyone for their sins

No idea if that’s what you mean though

@lachlan 🥀 limiting as in his power having limitations

the potential of his power

in my view the ability to limit oneself is in itself a limitation

for example, god cannot sin because the ability to sin is itself a limitation

if there is something God cannot do then that is a limitation

but i want an answer to my question

can God limit his own power

no
because the ability to limit onself is a limitation
just like the ability for me to shoot myself in the kneecaps is a limitation

but you have the power to do it

if God does not have the power to limit himself then he is not all powerful

if i can blow my own kneecaps off and cripple myself i am more powerful?

the power to limit oneself is a limitation

you dont seem to understand

i think i will wait for the answer of the intelligent person i asked

why am i more powerful if i am able to blow my own kneecaps off?

It is about the ability to actualize a potential

the capacity to act on a potential

your question is completely disparate

your definition of power can not be applied to god then

Yes it can, because God is interpreted as pure actuality in terms of actuality and potential

it is entirely the definition at hand

at least in the scholastic western world

as I was asking a christians

Omnipotence is perfect power, free from all mere potentiality

because it is pure actuality

no unresolved potential

so

Does God have the capacity to apply limitation to his own power

the transition from possibility to actuality or from act to potentiality, occurs only in creatures

why

it exists in things that arent alive

matter and form

when it is said that God can or could do a thing, the terms are not to be understood in the sense in which they are applied to created causes, but as conveying the idea of a being, the range of Whose activity is limited only by His sovereign will

By saying the God cannot transition to a state of potentiality denies Christ's existence

lol no it does not

It does

Christ was a human with divinity

still human

stil created

still with potency

This isn’t the catholic view maybe Protestant

The Church holds he is human

a human with divinity

The church holds is human and divine, not a human with divinity if you get the distinction

yes as in he is without sin

the distinction is negligible really

the important part is the human facet

it is a form of potency that God undertook

but this is straying too far from my question