Make the family altar the center of your home, not the television

yeah ya dicks

pretty sweet aho

very wholesome imo imo

https://discord.gg/3uKrrJN

The admin of this Christian server has asked me to shill come here if you want to talk about christianity with fellow christians.

https://www.praydivinemercy.com/

https://youtu.be/AiYh96TrITE

https://twitter.com/RealVinceJames/status/1028906977294934016

https://youtu.be/NyV01zXuW-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwpWmXClzv8&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vQsKoOhEws&t=1224s

Reminder

Uhhh

Cursed

these pedo priestS need to be executed and we need a NEW INQUIstion

should catholics abandon the church until its fixed

no

they should fight tooth and nail to take it back and sned every single last demon back to hell

begome nietzschean

>tfw i like the catholic church but im immoral and sin all the time
Its hard being an aristocrat

I want to convert to catholicism

I'm getting more disillusioned with protestantism everyday

but my parents would flip the fuck out if I did

what kind of prot are they

baptist

you could always keep it a secret
And yeah theres no reconciling that haha

yeah but then when I marry a catholic wife it would start to get hard to just keep it a secret

Yeah i guess just break it to them slowly over time

Stephen Anderson is pretty based but besides him baptists are brainlets

any good prot v catholic texts/debates

Leopirate v Nick when

sedevacantist mel gibson gf when

I'd just tell them man @Mephisto

Honesty is the first Catholic virtue

@NormanLord did you mean to ping @AlGoreRhythm

Oh yeah woops on phone atm

baste
And yeah I would recommend to slowly break it to them, like maybe hint at it at first. Not to lie, but moreso to avoid having to deal with an awkward emotional reaction from them

I mean emotional reactions aren't a bad thing

Better they air their grievances early on and clear the air

Christ did make it abundantly clear we would be scourged, whipped and cast out of society for our faith

Yeah I suppose its up to each person to decide how far to take that. I don't really know enough to say what the traditional catholic view would be on it, but from what I've seen while making your life miserable to pronounce the faith to lots of people is admirable, I think a sort of rational balancing of different pressures is wise as well.
You don't need to go martyr yourself somewhere and you don't need to hide your faith completely, so its about finding some sort of virtue in the mean

True, all that being said I do regularly keep my mouth shut about my faith when in public

But with family I'm always honest

I dont even really know what I'm doing in terms of religion, so it hasn't been a problem for me
Yeah it is probably better to just be honest, I just wouldn't do something thats going to cause huge problems that could be avoided if the initial problem was handled more tactfully

If its going to cause huge problems then breaking it slowly wouldn't change that imo

They'll probably be relived he's not an atheist

My family are all extremely anti Catholic since the pedophilia scandals

Like I said its tough call / personal call.
Mine are all just (((non-practicing catholics))) so agnostics essentially

https://twitter.com/GonzoMontreux/status/1029515356921098240?s=19

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16

<14> For you, brethren, are become followers of the churches of God which are in Judea, in Christ Jesus: for you also have suffered the same things from your own coutrymen, even as they have from the Jews, <15> Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men; <16> Prohibiting us to speak to the Gentiles, that they may be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath of God is come upon them to the end.

St Mark 9:41

And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

https://twitter.com/matthewschmitz/status/1028371012143001602?s=20

>tfw blackpilled on church

Orthodox isn’t cucked

Russians hate (((them)))

russia does not

inquisition WHEN TO ROOT OUT PREDATORS IN THE CHURCH

gadoligs are too cucked to crusade their own church

god i wish we could though

Russians hate jews

Russia doesn’t hate Jews

(((Russia)))

get it

Maybe it’s just my family but my babushka who is a member of the communist party hates jews

Kinda ironic

orthodox more like jewish

Father Martin is a heretic

I dont think this whole scandal makes the church doctrine bogus like some people are saying. But Catholics need to seriously start changing things

And im not talking about dumb LARPing about "DEUS VULT" and "BEHEAD THE HERETICS". That sentiment will fade in the next week and only come back when the next scandal hits.

no amount of time will ever fade away my WANT to burn child abusers at the stake

yeah me too but I'm saying that wont realistically happen

In any sane moral society it would, but we live in inside-of-the-dogs-ass world

considering the abuseres have been spirited away

yeah probably not

debating to going to a orthodox church vs a catholic cuz they all speak Spanish

@Don Ronkers join the sspx

again thats 1800-451-thirstygoyim

Where are the catboys

^

NOT HERE FAGGOT

@AlGoreRhythm @Ye Olde Sipp™ @powerpuff boy keep it out of the christian channel fellas

@Don Ronkers what does that even mean

all the catholic churches near me are all done in Spanish

epic

This is so sad can we bring back Latin Mass?

>not already going to latin mass

@Don Ronkers So?

You don't just leave the Church because of a Spanish language liturgy

hows he supposed to understand it lol

How's he supposed to understand Greek?

Use a missal, the mass is the same every week it shouldn't be that hard.

Fellas I went to my first mass last Sunday and Wednesday mass for the assumption of Mary. They were both beautiful but I noticed compared to the baptist services I went to as a kid there was very little preaching. Is this always the case?

yes

preaching is not the focus of the mass whatsoever it is ancillary

But why

@Polybius What do you think the mass *is*?

I have no idea that’s why I’m asking

The mass is a sacrfice

It is not a service

The mass is the coming together of the people under direction of a Priest acting in persona Christi to offer a sacrifice which is propitiatory and offered for the sins of all those present.

@Polybius Make sense?

I think so.

So whereas a baptist service is more about congregating and worshipping the mass is more about forgiveness of sin and spiritual healing in a sense?

Sorry my lack of understanding is probably borderline offensive. This is all so new to me.

A baptist service is about a public expression of faith and worship where you read the word of God, pray publicly and learn moral lessons. You may even eat some bread and drink some wine (or grape juice.)

A Catholic Mass (or Orthodox Mass) is about approaching God in the holy sacrament and offering the unbloodied body and blood of Christ for the sins of those present. Which isn't to say it is not a public prayer (in fact we say it is the highest form of prayer) it is not to say it is not a community gathering, it is not to say we do not learn moral lessons, it is not to say we don't hear the word of God. It is to say rather that these are not of primary importance, the calling down of Christ onto the altar and offering him to the Father as sacrifice is the primary reason for gathering. If you ever participate in a low Latin mass for instance the scirptures won't even be read audibly to the congregation, there will be no homily (sermon) and only a handful of prayers will even be said jointly after the mass if at all.

fellas i remember somebody on here writing awhile ago that if you "leave" the church youre automatically excommunicated and need to have that lifted.
So if I was an atheist when I was a teenager does that constitute apostasy and excommunication? I was baptized and had first communion but not confirmed, recently when i returned i went to confession, but am i technically still excommunicated or something?

yeah it was me lol

if you at some point decide you aren't Catholic anymore for whatever reason that's apostasy

i thought it was, thats probably what jogged my memory of it

if you for some reason or another still considered yourself a Catholic but doubted God's existence or something that would be mortal sin but not apostasy as far as I can tell

i considered myself ex catholic

then that's apostasy

so does going to confession lift it or is it more complicated than that

you have to have that lifted before you can receive any of the sacraments

also what if i join something like SSPX or go autism sede mode, would it matter then

uh

yeah

that comes with it's own set of problems but it's no way to get around an excommunication

so how do I have the excommunication lifted

talk to the priest

i think you said something about a bishop needing to do it

probably a couple phone calls

Yeah I'm pretty sure the Bishop has to lift the excommunication

okay this is epic

ill probably call next weekend and get it all sorted out

just say *Look Father So and So I was raised Catholic but I left the Church when I was a teenager and I was told that apostates are automatically excommunicated so I want to have that lifted if that's the case."

I can't honestly guarantee he is going to have any idea of what the fuck you are talking about but it will get the ball rolling

thats along the lines of what ill say yeah, and haha its probably a very autistic conversation to have, but if its what you technically need to do then so be it

Ive also heard women who get abortions are automatically excommunicated

can they ever get it lifted?
And also what the hell is the church doing then by not making all of this clear if its still technically what's supposed to be done. Like if the abortion thing is true, im pretty sure they had some councilling thing at my church for women trying to come back to the church after aborting their children

that is also true

dude the Church believes in a lot of things that are not made clear lol

it all seems very self contradictory and its part of why I lean towards the sede stuff, even though they're all very autistic people for the most part

the sede's aren't going to help you out there

what are some other examples out of curiosity

i think there's one more

for formal heresy

like what

oh didnt see the second message

like if you had a Bishop say you could consecrate rose water and make it the body of Christ

and then the Holy See were like *Ermmm wtf no*
and he was like *too bad I'm doing it anyway*
and they'd be all *you are anathema*
and he'd be like *fug :----D*

that would be an automatically excommunicable offense which also then calls into question pretty much every decision he ever made as Bishop

interesting

just looked it up too

apostasy, heresy, schism (CIC 1364:1), violating the sacred species (CIC 1367), physically attacking the pope (CIC 1370:1), sacramentally absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin (CIC 1378:1), consecrating a bishop without authorization (CIC 1382), and directly violating the seal of confession (1388:1).

Thanks for the explanation @Scooter2000

ah very nice

@Polybius You're welcome

yee thank you, cleared a lot of stuff up

Fuck I mean I was an atheist as a teenager for a while as well better get myself ex-excommunicated

https://www.catholic.com/qa/who-may-lift-excommunication

If you are Catholic or wish to be Catholic study these creeds, know them, and be able to say them without baulking.

http://www.beginningcatholic.com/athanasian-creed

http://www.traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Prayer/Tridentine_Creed.html

will do. Im basically going to spend the next week doing a lot of contemplation and deciding whether I'm going to go all in with this
Its basically been a year of looking into it and oscillating, but I think I'm ready to make a leap

once you start doing it you wont regret it

Okay Catholic Church is epic

Some buddies invited me to their church after I said I was looking into other denominations

@Mephisto Catholicism is a very subtle religion just remember that

So I’m someone who was raised Protestant and is looking into Catholicism. I have so many questions that I don’t know where to begin. But if I was to convert, how do I go about it? Do I have to go to some traditional Catholic Church or can I go to my local church? I’ve heard so much about how Vatican 2 changed this and that and some people saying that Francis is not truly the Pope and the modern Church is not the true Church and what not.

I’m really confused

@Scooter2000

You're required here

Catholicism isnt biblical

Hurr durr we got the bible says not to call human spiritual leaders father and to not fall into vain traditions but lets do it anyway bc we have cool architecture and an old church hurr durr durr

I'm considering becoming Catholic because protestant churches are just becoming rock concerts

what now

@hughmunguswutt Do you want to go to Latin Mass or not? You don't have to. You do need to do the RCIA (rite of Christian initiation for adults) so you need to go to a parish and talk to the priest about joining, other than that it's pretty simple. If you've not been baptised you'll be baptised this Easter and then confirmed and given first communion. If you have been baptised it will be first confession, then confirmation and then first communion.

@obamarapedmymom The Catholic belief is the Bible is not the deposit of the faith rather the faith was entrusted to the Apostles of Christ to protect and spread and that those Apostles appointed men who occupy the office of Bishop as their successors a notable example of the immediate successor of St. John the Apostle is St. Ignatius of Antioch was martyred in the 1st century and who was the author of the earliest document using the word "Catholic" to describe the Christian religion.

@Scooter2000 But what about Vatican 2 and all that? The alleged heresies and changes to the Mass and Sacraments? There’s this dude on YouTube (vaticancatholic) whose videos I’ve watched and he claims that the modern church has been infiltrated by Satan and seems to believe that it’s completely heretical and that anyone who accepts post-Vatican 2 popes are themselves committing heresy. That the Novus Ordo Mass is invalid, etc. etc.

There’s also the claims of the Eastern Orthodox who say they remained true to the faith while Rome changed. People like Jay Dyer will claim this

I know it’s a lot of questions. I’m just really confused. All I know is I want to follow the truth

>non denominational "Christians"

@hughmunguswutt Be wary of vaticancatholic aka holy family monastary aka the Dimond bros. They're right about some things but are very hardline sedevacantists who say basically everyone but them is going to hell. Your confusion is completely justified as there are so many different voices saying different things, with both conciliarists and sedes having a lot of influence right now.

The most truthful and level-headed approach to the crisis in the Church has undoubtedly been that of Archbishop Lefebvre in my opinion, founder of the SSPX, and those successors who have stayed faithful to the faith he preserved.

Yeah I saw a video where vaticancatholic said that anyone who isn’t baptized regardless of the circumstances is going to hell period and he quoted some popes and some documents to back up his claims

So even people who’ve never heard of Jesus like those in isolated parts of the world would be damned

well that's it's own issue entirely, but they believe even traditionalists who don't subscribe to hardline sedevacantism aren't Catholic and are damned

@hughmunguswutt but in catholicism doutrine, you can be baptized by Holy Spirit.

The reality is that you don't have to be a sede to reject VII, as all faithful Catholics should. As for finding a church or mass center, this is a very difficult problem as many people don't live very close to a TLM let alone one said by traditional priests.

I grew up Protestant and believing in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. And I still do, even though sometimes I doubt, I’ll be honest. But I try to remain strong in faith to the best of my ability. Lately out of curiosity I started watching Catholic vs Protestant debates and I found myself being more convinced by Catholic arguments than the other side. But hearing about Vatican II and all the controversy surrounding it and seeing all these different groups talking about how correct they are in comparison to others is kind of blackpilling

It’s just too much information for me

The most important thing in your faith is and always is your personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and that should be your main focus when considering which sect of Christianity you're going to choose to subscribe to. Focus on that and consider it when weighing Christian & Biblical discussion, and you'll find the right covenant for you.

Navigating through your life as a Christian is a very daunting task nowadays, especially with the rise of the "Megachurch" and the increased attempts to appease the modern world.

If you understand what has been going on in the world, this revolution that has been dragging us further downward literally since the late middle ages and culminating in the takeover of the Church today, you will be able to find some peace among the blackpills that this is all a temporary state of affairs. Many saints and popes predicted this crisis of faith, at Fatima it was called the 'diabolical disorientation'. All we have to do is keep the faith, pray, and fight errors both in the Church and in the world.

I just don’t know. I just wonder: if I was to do RCIA at my local Catholic Church (which is very likely not traditional) would my baptism, confirmation, and first communion be valid? Or would it be invalid? Why not Eastern Orthodoxy? They’re almost the same as Catholics no?

The EOs reject that Christ established Peter as the head of His Church (as Scripture clearly states) and thus are in schism, and hold to several other heresies such as acceptance of divorce.

Nobody can really say for sure whether the new sacraments would be valid or not, the sedes say they they aren't, others say they're doubtful, others that they are valid but illicit. Either way, if possible it would be best to receive the traditional sacraments

Baptism and communion are valid, dk about confirmation though

@hughmunguswutt I think just generally speaking these people have a really confused notion of how to interpret the faith. Look the best advice I can give you is to actually start participating in the mass and start reading good Catholic literature, lives of the Saints, Catechisms, Catholic Encyclopedia etc. I can't offer a refutation of any of these people without actually knowing what specifically you are referring to so I can only really offer a general sort of critique that Jay Dyer for one doesn't actually understand Thomism at all, essence and energies either completely compatible with divine simplicity or it is utterly incoherent. Vatican Catholic I've engaged with his material less than Dyer's but it's your typical sede stuff, look if you really take Sedevacantism serious you enter an epistemic crisis which will constantly leave you guessing where the true Church is.

There is nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo as a sacrifice and nothing wrong with the new sacraments, the apt mater and intention remains. They are different and they may be deficient in comparison to the old rites but they actually do what they are intended to do.

@hughmunguswutt Extraordinary salvation is an open question

Thank you for your answer @Scooter2000

I have to humbly admit that I for one don’t understand anything having to do with Thomism or divine simplicity or essence and energies. I just know a lot of Bible verses and narratives, probably more than the average person. But when it comes to all that philosophy, I’m extremely ignorant.

A lot of that language is completely foreign to me, coming from a Protestant background

I just know I have a lot of confusion due to all the different groups claiming to be following the true Gospel in light of current events and recent history

But I’ll think about what you said. I really appreciate it.

@hughmunguswutt read liberalism is a sin by Dr Felix Sarda y Salvani, it'll be a good introduction to the traditional Catholic viewpoint

church posting gang

Nice

Flags don't belong inside a church tbh

I'm about to enter rcia

In September

I'm a cradle catholic

But I never received my first holy communion and I haven't been confirmed

We all just do it in school in Ireland

Well, I'd imagine that's on the way out atm but even when I did it most ppl did it for the money and to fit in

What's it like in the US? What age do most receive first holy communion?

7

@hughmunguswutt Well there's problem number one dude. You aren't catechized at all. You need to start learning the Catholic Faith, it's no wonder all these naysayers have you confused

Has anyone here done RCIA ? If so what was your experience ?

@Scooter2000 Why isn't the Pope's position on the death penalty considered heresy???

If it contradicts all previous teaching, scripture and doctrine, which it does so far as I can tell

@NormanLord First of all, anybody who tells you this constitutes heresy is talking out of there ass. It's definitely unorthodox, it contradicts tradition but that doesn't make a heresy. A heresy is a denial of defined truth of the Catholic faith so that means either explicit denial of a dogma or a doctrine derived from said dogma. The death penalty has no dogmatic definition you can have either opinion on it.

The weight of tradition (in my estimation) supports the death penalty

@Christopher Yeah I did it was great.

@Christopher I forget whre it was , but somewhere on youtube there is an RCIA course of videos that is very help (even to me, a confirmed catholic)

Yeah like guys don't feel like you have to be reading St. Thomas' Suma and have an intimate knowledge of canon law and Papal encyclicals if your a newbie, just start off with what's accessible and build from there.

Ordered this fellas

Looks nice

Lovely

https://youtu.be/r3H5f7oePQE

Does anyone have that video with the Kyrie, Angus Dei, Sanctus and Gloria that got taken down?

https://youtu.be/fUNoREwIKHg

?

https://youtu.be/NyV01zXuW-A

Yeah it was the first ine

Thanks a lot

I couldnt find it recently

no worries brother

HH brother

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xs67InkZ3A name a better 1 u cant

https://youtu.be/XA6aIhHzXkw

@Georges_Cross I think I was kicked or pruned mind sending me another link to the server?

How does it feel that the pope is visting gods country in stead of you mutts

@gamerrightsactivist you Irish?

Yee

Irish Irish living in Ireland?

Not diaspora

Irish

This server is over if there's two of us here now lmao

The republican revenge is coming