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Make the family altar the center of your home, not the television
yeah ya dicks
pretty sweet aho
very wholesome imo imo
The admin of this Christian server has asked me to shill come here if you want to talk about christianity with fellow christians.
these pedo priestS need to be executed and we need a NEW INQUIstion
should catholics abandon the church until its fixed
they should fight tooth and nail to take it back and sned every single last demon back to hell
>tfw i like the catholic church but im immoral and sin all the time
Its hard being an aristocrat
I want to convert to catholicism
I'm getting more disillusioned with protestantism everyday
but my parents would flip the fuck out if I did
what kind of prot are they
you could always keep it a secret
And yeah theres no reconciling that haha
yeah but then when I marry a catholic wife it would start to get hard to just keep it a secret
Yeah i guess just break it to them slowly over time
Stephen Anderson is pretty based but besides him baptists are brainlets
any good prot v catholic texts/debates
Leopirate v Nick when
sedevacantist mel gibson gf when
Honesty is the first Catholic virtue
Oh yeah woops on phone atm
And yeah I would recommend to slowly break it to them, like maybe hint at it at first. Not to lie, but moreso to avoid having to deal with an awkward emotional reaction from them
I mean emotional reactions aren't a bad thing
Better they air their grievances early on and clear the air
Christ did make it abundantly clear we would be scourged, whipped and cast out of society for our faith
Yeah I suppose its up to each person to decide how far to take that. I don't really know enough to say what the traditional catholic view would be on it, but from what I've seen while making your life miserable to pronounce the faith to lots of people is admirable, I think a sort of rational balancing of different pressures is wise as well.
You don't need to go martyr yourself somewhere and you don't need to hide your faith completely, so its about finding some sort of virtue in the mean
True, all that being said I do regularly keep my mouth shut about my faith when in public
But with family I'm always honest
I dont even really know what I'm doing in terms of religion, so it hasn't been a problem for me
Yeah it is probably better to just be honest, I just wouldn't do something thats going to cause huge problems that could be avoided if the initial problem was handled more tactfully
If its going to cause huge problems then breaking it slowly wouldn't change that imo
They'll probably be relived he's not an atheist
My family are all extremely anti Catholic since the pedophilia scandals
Like I said its tough call / personal call.
Mine are all just (((non-practicing catholics))) so agnostics essentially
1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
<14> For you, brethren, are become followers of the churches of God which are in Judea, in Christ Jesus: for you also have suffered the same things from your own coutrymen, even as they have from the Jews, <15> Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men; <16> Prohibiting us to speak to the Gentiles, that they may be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath of God is come upon them to the end.
St Mark 9:41
And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
>tfw blackpilled on church
Orthodox isn’t cucked
Russians hate (((them)))
russia does not
inquisition WHEN TO ROOT OUT PREDATORS IN THE CHURCH
gadoligs are too cucked to crusade their own church
god i wish we could though
Russians hate jews
Russia doesn’t hate Jews
Maybe it’s just my family but my babushka who is a member of the communist party hates jews
orthodox more like jewish
Father Martin is a heretic
I dont think this whole scandal makes the church doctrine bogus like some people are saying. But Catholics need to seriously start changing things
And im not talking about dumb LARPing about "DEUS VULT" and "BEHEAD THE HERETICS". That sentiment will fade in the next week and only come back when the next scandal hits.
no amount of time will ever fade away my WANT to burn child abusers at the stake
yeah me too but I'm saying that wont realistically happen
In any sane moral society it would, but we live in inside-of-the-dogs-ass world
considering the abuseres have been spirited away
yeah probably not
debating to going to a orthodox church vs a catholic cuz they all speak Spanish
again thats 1800-451-thirstygoyim
Where are the catboys
NOT HERE FAGGOT
all the catholic churches near me are all done in Spanish
This is so sad can we bring back Latin Mass?
>not already going to latin mass
You don't just leave the Church because of a Spanish language liturgy
hows he supposed to understand it lol
How's he supposed to understand Greek?
Use a missal, the mass is the same every week it shouldn't be that hard.
Fellas I went to my first mass last Sunday and Wednesday mass for the assumption of Mary. They were both beautiful but I noticed compared to the baptist services I went to as a kid there was very little preaching. Is this always the case?
preaching is not the focus of the mass whatsoever it is ancillary
I have no idea that’s why I’m asking
The mass is a sacrfice
It is not a service
The mass is the coming together of the people under direction of a Priest acting in persona Christi to offer a sacrifice which is propitiatory and offered for the sins of all those present.
I think so.
So whereas a baptist service is more about congregating and worshipping the mass is more about forgiveness of sin and spiritual healing in a sense?
Sorry my lack of understanding is probably borderline offensive. This is all so new to me.
A baptist service is about a public expression of faith and worship where you read the word of God, pray publicly and learn moral lessons. You may even eat some bread and drink some wine (or grape juice.)
A Catholic Mass (or Orthodox Mass) is about approaching God in the holy sacrament and offering the unbloodied body and blood of Christ for the sins of those present. Which isn't to say it is not a public prayer (in fact we say it is the highest form of prayer) it is not to say it is not a community gathering, it is not to say we do not learn moral lessons, it is not to say we don't hear the word of God. It is to say rather that these are not of primary importance, the calling down of Christ onto the altar and offering him to the Father as sacrifice is the primary reason for gathering. If you ever participate in a low Latin mass for instance the scirptures won't even be read audibly to the congregation, there will be no homily (sermon) and only a handful of prayers will even be said jointly after the mass if at all.
fellas i remember somebody on here writing awhile ago that if you "leave" the church youre automatically excommunicated and need to have that lifted.
So if I was an atheist when I was a teenager does that constitute apostasy and excommunication? I was baptized and had first communion but not confirmed, recently when i returned i went to confession, but am i technically still excommunicated or something?
yeah it was me lol
if you at some point decide you aren't Catholic anymore for whatever reason that's apostasy
i thought it was, thats probably what jogged my memory of it
if you for some reason or another still considered yourself a Catholic but doubted God's existence or something that would be mortal sin but not apostasy as far as I can tell
i considered myself ex catholic
then that's apostasy
so does going to confession lift it or is it more complicated than that
you have to have that lifted before you can receive any of the sacraments
also what if i join something like SSPX or go autism sede mode, would it matter then
that comes with it's own set of problems but it's no way to get around an excommunication
so how do I have the excommunication lifted
talk to the priest
i think you said something about a bishop needing to do it
probably a couple phone calls
Yeah I'm pretty sure the Bishop has to lift the excommunication
okay this is epic
ill probably call next weekend and get it all sorted out
just say *Look Father So and So I was raised Catholic but I left the Church when I was a teenager and I was told that apostates are automatically excommunicated so I want to have that lifted if that's the case."
I can't honestly guarantee he is going to have any idea of what the fuck you are talking about but it will get the ball rolling
thats along the lines of what ill say yeah, and haha its probably a very autistic conversation to have, but if its what you technically need to do then so be it
Ive also heard women who get abortions are automatically excommunicated
can they ever get it lifted?
And also what the hell is the church doing then by not making all of this clear if its still technically what's supposed to be done. Like if the abortion thing is true, im pretty sure they had some councilling thing at my church for women trying to come back to the church after aborting their children
that is also true
dude the Church believes in a lot of things that are not made clear lol
it all seems very self contradictory and its part of why I lean towards the sede stuff, even though they're all very autistic people for the most part
the sede's aren't going to help you out there
what are some other examples out of curiosity
i think there's one more
for formal heresy
oh didnt see the second message
like if you had a Bishop say you could consecrate rose water and make it the body of Christ
and then the Holy See were like *Ermmm wtf no*
and he was like *too bad I'm doing it anyway*
and they'd be all *you are anathema*
and he'd be like *fug :----D*
that would be an automatically excommunicable offense which also then calls into question pretty much every decision he ever made as Bishop
just looked it up too
apostasy, heresy, schism (CIC 1364:1), violating the sacred species (CIC 1367), physically attacking the pope (CIC 1370:1), sacramentally absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin (CIC 1378:1), consecrating a bishop without authorization (CIC 1382), and directly violating the seal of confession (1388:1).
ah very nice
yee thank you, cleared a lot of stuff up
Fuck I mean I was an atheist as a teenager for a while as well better get myself ex-excommunicated
If you are Catholic or wish to be Catholic study these creeds, know them, and be able to say them without baulking.
will do. Im basically going to spend the next week doing a lot of contemplation and deciding whether I'm going to go all in with this
Its basically been a year of looking into it and oscillating, but I think I'm ready to make a leap
once you start doing it you wont regret it
Okay Catholic Church is epic
Some buddies invited me to their church after I said I was looking into other denominations
@Mephisto Catholicism is a very subtle religion just remember that
So I’m someone who was raised Protestant and is looking into Catholicism. I have so many questions that I don’t know where to begin. But if I was to convert, how do I go about it? Do I have to go to some traditional Catholic Church or can I go to my local church? I’ve heard so much about how Vatican 2 changed this and that and some people saying that Francis is not truly the Pope and the modern Church is not the true Church and what not.
I’m really confused
You're required here
Catholicism isnt biblical
Hurr durr we got the bible says not to call human spiritual leaders father and to not fall into vain traditions but lets do it anyway bc we have cool architecture and an old church hurr durr durr
I'm considering becoming Catholic because protestant churches are just becoming rock concerts
@hughmunguswutt Do you want to go to Latin Mass or not? You don't have to. You do need to do the RCIA (rite of Christian initiation for adults) so you need to go to a parish and talk to the priest about joining, other than that it's pretty simple. If you've not been baptised you'll be baptised this Easter and then confirmed and given first communion. If you have been baptised it will be first confession, then confirmation and then first communion.
@obamarapedmymom The Catholic belief is the Bible is not the deposit of the faith rather the faith was entrusted to the Apostles of Christ to protect and spread and that those Apostles appointed men who occupy the office of Bishop as their successors a notable example of the immediate successor of St. John the Apostle is St. Ignatius of Antioch was martyred in the 1st century and who was the author of the earliest document using the word "Catholic" to describe the Christian religion.
@Scooter2000 But what about Vatican 2 and all that? The alleged heresies and changes to the Mass and Sacraments? There’s this dude on YouTube (vaticancatholic) whose videos I’ve watched and he claims that the modern church has been infiltrated by Satan and seems to believe that it’s completely heretical and that anyone who accepts post-Vatican 2 popes are themselves committing heresy. That the Novus Ordo Mass is invalid, etc. etc.
There’s also the claims of the Eastern Orthodox who say they remained true to the faith while Rome changed. People like Jay Dyer will claim this
I know it’s a lot of questions. I’m just really confused. All I know is I want to follow the truth
>non denominational "Christians"
@hughmunguswutt Be wary of vaticancatholic aka holy family monastary aka the Dimond bros. They're right about some things but are very hardline sedevacantists who say basically everyone but them is going to hell. Your confusion is completely justified as there are so many different voices saying different things, with both conciliarists and sedes having a lot of influence right now.
The most truthful and level-headed approach to the crisis in the Church has undoubtedly been that of Archbishop Lefebvre in my opinion, founder of the SSPX, and those successors who have stayed faithful to the faith he preserved.
Yeah I saw a video where vaticancatholic said that anyone who isn’t baptized regardless of the circumstances is going to hell period and he quoted some popes and some documents to back up his claims
So even people who’ve never heard of Jesus like those in isolated parts of the world would be damned
well that's it's own issue entirely, but they believe even traditionalists who don't subscribe to hardline sedevacantism aren't Catholic and are damned
@hughmunguswutt but in catholicism doutrine, you can be baptized by Holy Spirit.
The reality is that you don't have to be a sede to reject VII, as all faithful Catholics should. As for finding a church or mass center, this is a very difficult problem as many people don't live very close to a TLM let alone one said by traditional priests.
I grew up Protestant and believing in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. And I still do, even though sometimes I doubt, I’ll be honest. But I try to remain strong in faith to the best of my ability. Lately out of curiosity I started watching Catholic vs Protestant debates and I found myself being more convinced by Catholic arguments than the other side. But hearing about Vatican II and all the controversy surrounding it and seeing all these different groups talking about how correct they are in comparison to others is kind of blackpilling
It’s just too much information for me
The most important thing in your faith is and always is your personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and that should be your main focus when considering which sect of Christianity you're going to choose to subscribe to. Focus on that and consider it when weighing Christian & Biblical discussion, and you'll find the right covenant for you.
Navigating through your life as a Christian is a very daunting task nowadays, especially with the rise of the "Megachurch" and the increased attempts to appease the modern world.
If you understand what has been going on in the world, this revolution that has been dragging us further downward literally since the late middle ages and culminating in the takeover of the Church today, you will be able to find some peace among the blackpills that this is all a temporary state of affairs. Many saints and popes predicted this crisis of faith, at Fatima it was called the 'diabolical disorientation'. All we have to do is keep the faith, pray, and fight errors both in the Church and in the world.
I just don’t know. I just wonder: if I was to do RCIA at my local Catholic Church (which is very likely not traditional) would my baptism, confirmation, and first communion be valid? Or would it be invalid? Why not Eastern Orthodoxy? They’re almost the same as Catholics no?
The EOs reject that Christ established Peter as the head of His Church (as Scripture clearly states) and thus are in schism, and hold to several other heresies such as acceptance of divorce.
Nobody can really say for sure whether the new sacraments would be valid or not, the sedes say they they aren't, others say they're doubtful, others that they are valid but illicit. Either way, if possible it would be best to receive the traditional sacraments
Baptism and communion are valid, dk about confirmation though
@hughmunguswutt I think just generally speaking these people have a really confused notion of how to interpret the faith. Look the best advice I can give you is to actually start participating in the mass and start reading good Catholic literature, lives of the Saints, Catechisms, Catholic Encyclopedia etc. I can't offer a refutation of any of these people without actually knowing what specifically you are referring to so I can only really offer a general sort of critique that Jay Dyer for one doesn't actually understand Thomism at all, essence and energies either completely compatible with divine simplicity or it is utterly incoherent. Vatican Catholic I've engaged with his material less than Dyer's but it's your typical sede stuff, look if you really take Sedevacantism serious you enter an epistemic crisis which will constantly leave you guessing where the true Church is.
There is nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo as a sacrifice and nothing wrong with the new sacraments, the apt mater and intention remains. They are different and they may be deficient in comparison to the old rites but they actually do what they are intended to do.
I have to humbly admit that I for one don’t understand anything having to do with Thomism or divine simplicity or essence and energies. I just know a lot of Bible verses and narratives, probably more than the average person. But when it comes to all that philosophy, I’m extremely ignorant.
A lot of that language is completely foreign to me, coming from a Protestant background
I just know I have a lot of confusion due to all the different groups claiming to be following the true Gospel in light of current events and recent history
But I’ll think about what you said. I really appreciate it.
@hughmunguswutt read liberalism is a sin by Dr Felix Sarda y Salvani, it'll be a good introduction to the traditional Catholic viewpoint
church posting gang
Flags don't belong inside a church tbh
I'm about to enter rcia
I'm a cradle catholic
But I never received my first holy communion and I haven't been confirmed
We all just do it in school in Ireland
Well, I'd imagine that's on the way out atm but even when I did it most ppl did it for the money and to fit in
What's it like in the US? What age do most receive first holy communion?
@hughmunguswutt Well there's problem number one dude. You aren't catechized at all. You need to start learning the Catholic Faith, it's no wonder all these naysayers have you confused
Has anyone here done RCIA ? If so what was your experience ?
@Scooter2000 Why isn't the Pope's position on the death penalty considered heresy???
If it contradicts all previous teaching, scripture and doctrine, which it does so far as I can tell
@NormanLord First of all, anybody who tells you this constitutes heresy is talking out of there ass. It's definitely unorthodox, it contradicts tradition but that doesn't make a heresy. A heresy is a denial of defined truth of the Catholic faith so that means either explicit denial of a dogma or a doctrine derived from said dogma. The death penalty has no dogmatic definition you can have either opinion on it.
The weight of tradition (in my estimation) supports the death penalty
@Christopher I forget whre it was , but somewhere on youtube there is an RCIA course of videos that is very help (even to me, a confirmed catholic)
Yeah like guys don't feel like you have to be reading St. Thomas' Suma and have an intimate knowledge of canon law and Papal encyclicals if your a newbie, just start off with what's accessible and build from there.
Ordered this fellas
Does anyone have that video with the Kyrie, Angus Dei, Sanctus and Gloria that got taken down?
Yeah it was the first ine
Thanks a lot
I couldnt find it recently
no worries brother
@Georges_Cross I think I was kicked or pruned mind sending me another link to the server?
How does it feel that the pope is visting gods country in stead of you mutts
Irish Irish living in Ireland?
This server is over if there's two of us here now lmao
The republican revenge is coming