Look I have to say people like Jay Dyer and his acolytes have given me a much more negative opinion of Orthodoxy then I used to have.

Why is it not enough to follow the teachings of Christ, the morals and the Bible and call it a day? Will someone who believes in Christ and follows his teachings to a T go to hell if he's not a Catholic or if he doesn't like Catholicism?

@DOAN You believe in a fundamentally Protestant view of Christianity.

@DOAN it's like this. The path has been painted for you by the wisest men of their century. Do you want to follow them or man with thin arms who claps hands like girl

Lmao but wasn't Luther pretty redpilled on the JQ

Both Orthodox and Catholic hold that the deposit of the faith is the sacred tradition and not the Bible.

Protestants believe that the Bible is the deposit of faith and it dovetails nicely with their anti-clericalism.

Hmm

Because if you can go straight to the Bible and read it yourself and interpret doctrine like that you don't need a hierarchy

In fact at that point the hierarchy become gate keepers

Is protestantism the root of western degeneracy?

A lot of people say it is

I don't like chasing the original vampire. But you can certainly say that the Protestant Reformation was the point at which Christendom began to fracture.

There's always been heretical and proto-Protestant movements in Europe but they were suppressed until that point where it got out of control with Luther.

I think western degeneracy is an original sin problem fundamentally

When in doubt, blame it on demons

God takes from you what you don't deserve to have

Is that why Martin shrekli is in prison?

maybe

no its litterally a fucking fact

You can trace nearly every problem the west has now to the reformation, which birthed enlightenment thought, which then evolved into both marxism and the epic democratic liberalism we got now

@Deleted User Nothing is new under the sun

Was Communism a gift from God to Eastern Europe or the work of Satan?

God works in mysterious ways, as they say. I couldn't say for sure if it was overall good or bad. I think it was evil, but good can come from pain.

We'll see in another few decades if it was worth it.

Eastern Europe is much more Christian then we are today. They had many martyrs under communism, and it was hard to be Christian. Perhaps more souls went to heaven under communism then capitalism

HEY IS THAT A HUEY LONG PROFILE

10/10

sorry

@Brother Basil

maybe communism was divine chastisement

But really, if you look in the Bible, there are a lot of stories of groups getting persecuted only to have a golden age afterwards.

that's what Augustine said of the sack of Rome

guys take it outside of chrsitian posting

I was raised as a heeb but have rejected it, is catholicism the way to go?

yes

Catholicism is always the way to go

yes

begome cadolig

Helloo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pfleger

fregin heretic
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@Joe the boomer We have the most beautiful mass in all of Christendom!

alot of retards in the comments

i noticed haha

the reference to peter as rock in John does not proceed a confession

so that polemic is shit

@Ben Yeah but you have to be the Roy Cohn kind of jew

epic

@leopirate Does man have the right to sin?

@Scooter2000 God gave man the gift of freewill. Man condemns himself with sin.

I'm working on a video series that showcases the fruits of sin:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqDk-2bKWQ3tGvy4MqZ1EYn5IRlsmqDY9

@leopirate Does man have the right to sin?

No, man does not have the moral or legal entitlement to transgress God's law.

@leopirate Then man does not have any right whatsoever to freedom of his conscience

The capability to sin is ever present, meaning freedom of conscience does exist.

Being able to do something does not mean you have a right to it. Man has no right to Blasphemy for example.

But it's not under God's law, it's under Satan's law

"The law of sin" as the Apostle Paul explains

So we should permit the law of Satan?

And give deference to it?

No. We should expose the error and death caused by Satan's law, and not put people to torture chambers for inquiring about it.

Did anyone propose torture chambers?

The Catholic Church did in its enforcement of "God's law"

God didn't smite Satan when he fell from heaven. Instead, God let the angels observe what he has done to mankind through the ages.

Why would you advocate for a freedom you know immoral?

Conscience is thought. It has not yet become action. I believe in criticizing ideas, not burning them.

You believe in the tolerance of error

By your definition so does God, with his handling of Satan in the great controversy between him and Christ.

Should we have any laws based on morality?

God does not tolerate error. He exposes it so it is not repeated, showcasing all of the death that comes from it.

So should we have any laws based on morality?

I mean do we have any duty to govern even our own behaviour?

As said by the Apostle:

"For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: **for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men**."
Paul the Apostle, 1 Corinthians 4:9

So

Yes or no?

Yes we do have the duty, however we cannot do it in fully in our sinful state. We must let God's Son do it for us.

Which means what

By letting Christ's divine character manifest in your actions, speech, personality, etc. you will reflect the character of God -- who has never sinned.

Which means what

I'm not sure what you're asking.

I'm asking you what that means practically

I get that it's a conveniently flattering position to hold rhetorically

If you're not Christian, it seems like rhetoric. But if you do believe in the Gospel, you understand Jesus was the Passover Lamb for the Jew and Gentile. Meaning, by believing in the merits of a crucified and risen savior, you can overcome sin through Christ. Not your own works.

Yeah well again that's convenient rhetoric

Because that doesn't actually tell me anything

Relevant to the question

"Christians" are those who follow Christ -- the anointed one. Practically, your life should resemble the life of the Son of God.

What
Does
That
Entail

Cause I could give you an extremely clear answer

You don't seem capable of that

Living in accordance with the Ten Commandments.

Ok good.

I apologize if I'm not being clear. I assumed you knew the character of Christ already. And how he never sinned, and fulfilled the law.

If you don't know these things, then yes what I said earlier may have seemed like rhetoric. It's not.

I do know these things

This is how people who don't have answers speak - sanctimoniously

If there is a moral law which we know and man has no right to error then why would we enthrone as good, right and desirable policies which oppose that moral law?

Jesus kept the ten commandments. Those who follow Christ do as well.

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Revelation 14:12

For the same reason God didn't smite Satan.

He rebuked Satan

he was cast from heaven
removed from the life of grace

He will smite Satan, but only after he has fulfilled his purpose: Exposing evil to the angels who never knew sin.

he was clearly punished

we know from sacred scripture that at the final judgement Satan will be punished and those who reject God will also be punished

See what I said above

And so justice is clearly a virtue

I agree

So why should we not follow that virtue

Because you can say that God allows evil to persist for his own providential ends (which I agree) but he also clearly desires the salvation of man and Christ warns those who would corrupt the faith of others

And he does that through his servants, who observe the sixth commandment.

What the government does should be based on the well being of the state. Letting crimes go unpunished is detrimental to the state. That is separate from what individual Christians should do.

How can what is good for individuals be bad for the State

Followers of Christ should leave the enforcement of laws to the earthly and heavenly governments, as Jesus did while he was on earth.

Off topic, but I wonder what church the Apostle Paul was talking about here? 🤔

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; **Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats**, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."
Paul the Apostle, 1 Timothy 4:1-3

What denomination forbids its ecclesia, priests and nuns, from marrying? And that thing called Lent? Hmmm 🤔

"Followers of Christ should leave the enforcement of laws to the earthly and heavenly governments, as Jesus did while he was on earth"

What about Christians make up the civil authority?

"What denomination forbids its ecclesia, priests and nuns, from marrying? And that thing called Lent? Hmmm 🤔"

It was the Judaizers who kept the old temple laws

Judaizing was the first heresy and St. Paul devotes a lot of his writings toward combatting it

The Roman Catholic Church didn't exist in the Apostle Paul's time. So if you read the full verse, particularly when he says: "that in the **latter times** some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and **doctrines of devils**"

He did fight against Judaizers. However, he is speaking about practices after his day. Mainly the current practices of the Catholic Church.

How

In this letter to Timothy

Clearly not

How do you interpret "latter times"?

There were plenty of gnostic sects that actually applied these rules universally that fulfills these doctrines much more clearly.

I don't interpret the Bible

of course, leave that to people who know what they're actually doing

Do you have any other goal posts you want to shift?

haha are you seriously saying I'm shifting goal posts while you appeal to authority?

We were talking about freedom of conscience

and like you did with Nick this turned into a general assault on the Church

Prayerful study of the bible reveals more than the interpretations of pedophiles in fancy long robes.

"What about Christians make up the civil authority?"
They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need empirical evidence.

It is always the last resort of people who have no argument to engage in slander

"They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need secular logic and evidence."

??

I don't see how I'm dodging your questions. You can reach the same conclusions the infallible Word of God makes with empirical evidence. Take for example in Proverbs how it speaks against alcoholism. When a Christian civil servant wants to endorse laws for the minimum age of drinking, he should point to the biological effects alcohol has on a developing individual. He can point to real world examples of underage drinking leading to societal problems, etc.

This doesn't make any difference

hahaha earlier you were saying I was shifting goal posts and on my "last resort"
now you say it doesn't make any difference lmaoooo

What is the end result? Civil laws based on the moral law of the Church

Stop being a child.

it makes ALL the difference

it makes no difference

What difference is it if you ban gay marriage based on explicit observance of the moral law or ban gay marriage from a secular argument

Well I should say making a secular argument while holding private religious intentions

once you say the laws should be informed by the Catechism, you're no different than a theocratic state, which Jesus was against (Mark 12:17)

I deny this allegation

We would say that Christ rebuked the pharisees for their denial of the legitimacy of his ministry not because they worked in concert with the state. Your position forces you into contradiction where you must uphold the legitimacy of immorality (which you even allied with Satan directly) for the public while holding a private position congruent with morality.

(which you even allied with Satan directly)
"He will smite Satan, but only after he has fulfilled his purpose: Exposing evil to the angels who never knew sin."
I have no idea what you're going on about

I never said to have a private or public opinion

You clearly did

"...your life should resemble the life of the Son of God."

I'm saying to justify enforcing laws you should use the evidence from man, not authority from God. Rendering things of Caesar to Caesar, and things of God to God.

Now, you can find evidence by using the Word of God as a starting point, which many of the greatest scientists of mankind did

Why is it moral to make a law based off of completely irreligious appeal to consequences and why is it immoral to make a law based off of religious doctrine

Jesus never established a theocratic state, so I have no idea what you're suggesting by quoting me with "...your life should resemble the life of the Son of God."

It means you are supposed to live in imitation of Christ

And Christ never said the government should be informed by scripture. He instead explained how the life of righteous individuals will follow the law, by accepting his sacrifice.

Imitation of Christ means following Christ's conduct, how he lived, what he taught etc. Why would we do this in everything but our civil law?

Because civil law is not the same as individual life. It involves enforcement of punishments from the state on others. Since civil laws will be applied to those who are not Christian, it shouldn't only be based on the morality of God.

Take for example gay marriage. I believe it shouldn't be allowed because Genesis defined marriage between man and woman. Jesus recited this in his arguments with the pharisees. When it comes to enforcing it, you can point to how allowing gay marriage destroys the functional purpose of the institution: the production of offspring for the state.

"Because civil law is not the same as individual life. It involves enforcements of punishments of the state on others. Since civil laws will be applied to those who are not Christian, it shouldn't only be based on the morality of God. "

This is to imply that morality is dualistic.

I believe in absolute moral truth from God. Man-made governments are not of God, they are of man.

Should all men not conform themselves to truth?

Can Mormons post here?

or are they too closely tied to the freemasons?

mormons aren't Christian!

is leoprirate a prot fag ?

if so he needs tyo be removed

Say what you will about Mormons but Utah is a great state and BYU is probably a good college to get a trad gf at

Which of the mormon colleges has the fuck hueg rape stats?

@Joe the boomer 7th day adventist

@Ben We could definitely learn a lot from Mormon social organization I'll say that much.

i member mr fuentes saying that catholics are actually lower in child abuse than people usually claim

anyone have source on that

@zimthomas the clergy or families

clergy i think

i'll ask around

big thank from big zombo

i've heard that myself

from what I've been told (by smart and reliable people) that clerical abuse was basically isolated in the 70's-80's and petered out after that
today after the reforms of Benedict 16 (then Cardinal Ratzinger) the barriers to entry into the clergy are actually quite strict

i see i see

cant really take those claims seriously from liburuls anyway when they dont even know who aisha tbh tbh

there is a distributist video where he talks about these stats...

@zimthomas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYdUDmSw3Tc

I'm pretty sure this is the video. I'll still look for the stats though.

sweet cheers bud

http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/1999/rogers.html

More required reading for all Catholics

tldr Sacred Heart Nuns got subverted by psychologists in the 70's

pray for my mother shes in the ER shes a good catholic

A prior pope once decreed that priests breaking their vows of chastity would result in execution. I think we need to revive the practice

we will soon brother

https://youtu.be/gc6zEFuH4B8

Beautiful melodies heavenly words

seeing how unforgiving the world can be really shows how merciful god is

I like the parable about the man who was forgiven 10,000 talents

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEJddliapxY

https://youtu.be/zhhYIZJj6rk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LhOmqb95nM

At this point why would anyone on our side still think it’s a good idea to pump atheism/paganism.

Lmao get a load of this pagan

Even if you’re someone that just can’t bring themselves to believe, what is the upside to taking people away from that

Insane, lmao

I was listening to Enoch & Striker gleefully mocking Catholicism in some gay stream. They can only be doing this for their own egos

who won the debate

ive just about had enough of pagans

Anti 🅱agan Aktion

as if things are not bad enough i have to deal with these degens undermining everything they are worse than white nationlists and natsoc larpers

>Be in Christian west
>trying to appeal to last remaining conservatives
>these guys show up
>"hahaha kike on a stick my blood is magical"

Nick is right to "divide" the movement i.e throw these clowns into the fire

maybe nick isnt going far enough

Do 👏 it 👏 again 👏 Charlemagne 👏

Noice

parents called a 'mental health team' on me lads

pray for me

get a pfp

fed

uhhh

why they do that

what does that even mean parents claled a mental health team on you

wtf r u talking about

@Joe the boomer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W30sCkf9J2s

This is going to be bill in two hours

Is it because you don't have a profile picture?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G2Nmj60Cio

This is now the official Gadolig Twitter water lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sbOA9usp9U

Hey, I have a question for anyone really, could someone tell me whether or not the Apocrypha is truly deuterocanonical or was it just like an epilogue added to the Old Testament by the church?

I could like to know this as well but I'm new to all this so i have a limited understanding of the question itself though lmao

It was used in the Greek Old Testament called the Septuagint

This is the scriptures the Apostles and likely Christ himself knew

@Thomas @AngloCelticRebel http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13722a.htm

Much obliged.

@Akira Kurusu Whoa we're making the alt-right not gay anymore awesome!

Yeah

Implying

If you take away the fags from the alt right the alt right won't exist anymore <:lmaoJUST:402622080719519744>

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I'm not /alt right/ lol I do think it needs to be replaced

This guy is actually right for the first time in his life

Lol