Why do you want people to have kids anyway? Seems kind of stupid

thats a fucking fact my guy

I never said everyone needed kids stop being a cunt and making shit up @Derp

just dont breed

woooow

would help the world

@Kathrine actually we wouldn't be using that land if we weren't grain feeding cows.

What's wrong with not using the land...?

#grassfeedcows

we are using the land for the wrong reasons

that's my point

and your point is? if that land was reserved for forests the ecosystem would thrive

plains for bison and other large animals

no if it was used for pasture land we would get two birds one stone

Well have fun with your midwest thing I guess lol

*All that farmland is so fun*

if we didnt use all that land for grain for cows we'd have plenty land for growing vegetables or fruits

I'll take my national forests

farmland shouldn't really be farmland

it should be pastuer land for cows to graze on so they can have their natural diet.

we'd literally be able to grow the food needed to stop world hunger and the water used for meat would instead help with lacking fresh drinking water all over the world

Honestly don't even need pasture land though

cows are climate ruining retards

"muh world hunger"

Here in Oregon there's a lot of cows in blm land they let wander

>attributes cows to climate change

<:FeelsKek:379422423206068245>

Just in the desert

people are getting more kids bc the majority of them die young

if they didnt

surprise

@Farunel that's not grass lands

PEOPLE WOULD GET LESS KIDS

Well cows are attributing to climate change with current methods

@Kathrine um no majority of people procreating are just idiots that get money from the government imo.

We're learning with Africa right now how controlled grazing is actually really helpful for the land

And is reverting a lot of lands from wastelands back to life

you have no idea what you're talking about and its so obvious

ofc it's good for the enviornment

people get more kids in the idea that some of them might survive

>cow eats grass
>shits a lot

But the amount of livestock we have is unnecessary.

if they have a 100% chance of survival people wouldnt need to breed so much

@Kathrine who tf has trouble surviving in america LOL

the amount of meat we eat is unnecessary

disagree

No, it's true.

We're not supposed to eat that much meat

Americans eat WAY higher than what is necessary.

um our ancestors used to eat quite a bit of meat that included livers brains and bones

Meat is good for you, but it's in small portions.

we cant avoid our biological need for meat (looking at our teeth) but the amount of meat the average american eats every year is unhealthy as hell

disagree

Even our ancestors didn't feast on meat buddy

our biological need for meat was based on it's nutrient density

we dont need meat every day

Just let them be right

They had varied diets, and meat was an important aspect. But just because it was important doesn't mean they binged it.

they lacked meat so they made up for it via eating energy dense foods like veges

hunter gathers only ate meat when if became a necessity

Nah, we were more opportunistic

@Kathrine hunter gatherers literally ate meat in large quanitites exhibit A being eskimos first nation Alaskans.

We'd eat what was more available. It just happened to be that meat is more difficult to procure.

^

meat was a risk tho

Not always

hence why we ate veges and other plants to offset the risk

Are bunnies a risk?

Ducks?

meant more larger animals

We didnt often hunt large animals

i know that

bears elks and such probably

Bugs were also a bit more part of our diet as well

Which is even more dense than meat

TLDR if you care about the enviornment you would start with cows eating natural diets such as grazing on grass and you would hate industrial farming.

Regardless, all I was saying is Americans eat way more meat than what is needed for a good diet. The main course shouldn't be meat on a regular basis.

I mean honestly I am ready for lab grown meat

lab grown meat is disgusting you sound like a vegan rn very delusional

They're getting close to perfecting it, then it becomes a matter of production costs

Americans have bigger problems then eating too much meat tbh

it's insanely hard to make lol

Lab grown meat will taste identical to normal meats.

americans just eat too much of everything

I didnt say it's happening tomorrow lol

it will obviously lack nutrients opposed to normal meat

Computers were insanely hard to make at first too

Lab grown meat will take time

>not organic

Will it though?

Why does it got to be organic

how are you this dumb to make that comparison

Can you back up ANY of what you are saying?

computers aren't organic

yes

.... You made the argument that it's hard to make

@Kathrine too much of everything and too much over processed and artificial shit

It's technology.

IT's related

Fuck off

lol

@Derp facts

americans are phat

some

pressure on **SOME**

"The meat is made by first taking a muscle sample from an animal. Technicians collect stem cells from the tissue, multiply them dramatically and allow them to differentiate into primitive fibers that then bulk up to form muscle tissue."

Okay?

>not just killing a cown and eating it

it's harder to make and will lack nutrients

lol okay traditionalist

its one cow instead of 10

Nobody cares about your outdated ideas

just eat more like your ancestors it sounds a lot easier and healthier

wouldnt it be better in the long run tho

REEE CURRENT YEAR

okay retard

1 cow replacing 10

Lab grown meat will be better in the long run

or just 5

Considering it will be essentially clones

<:FeelsKek:379422423206068245> imagine being that delusional

imagine thinking you need to eat meat all the time

okay boomer

I don't wtf

lmfao

kill yourself

okay boomer

kathrine you're actually low functioning

hit a nerve on you didnt it

sad

"the patty cost more than $300,000 to produce and was overly dry"

<:FeelsKek:379422423206068245> it's the future

Okay then riddle me this, if they perfect this, and it is virtually identical to meat you would get from a cow, what's the problem? Saying it costs less to produce them via lab given time.

Yeah?

It's in it's infancy

This isnt shit that happens immediately you dumbfuck lol

virtually identical as in nutrient content and process is about the same?

The aim is to mimick the taste and nutrients, yes.

not to mention price

yes then I'd eat it

Okay, and I already mentioned that

"It takes more than 2,400 gallons of water to produce just 1 pound of meat. Only 25 gallons of water are required to grow 1 pound of wheat. You can save more water by not eating a pound of meat than you can by not showering for six months" "Nearly 60% of the world's agricultural land is used for beef production, yet beef accounts for less than 2% of the calories that are consumed throughout the world. Beef makes up 24% of the world's meat consumption, yet requires 30 million square kilometres of land to produce."

that's a big IF

That's all I was saying

we can all quote shit

I think it's very possible

I dont expect it in the next 5 years or anything

>wheat
>not grass

kathrine you're literally arguing something I don't care for

you're actually retarded boomer

@Farunel I don't think anything can really replace actual animals

I think we can

hence why vegans are fucked for life

replacing actual animals is a piece of cake today

Genetically modified fruit and veggies are commonplace

I dont see why meat cant become the same.

didnt they grow a sheep in a lab

Yeah they can grow whole animals currently

how long untill they can grow cows or horses

Welp.

GMO meat won't become a thing

those fruits and veggies still aren't even very useful lol

who know

because people are misinformed about GMO's and get all tinfoily about it

You realize 95% of your produce are technically genetically modified?

hell you can't even have normal fruits and veggies very well our stomachs just really do not ingest and processs said plants very well

My job scare was for nothing, already got something lined up lol

Oh, I'm aware. I'm not tinfoily about it

GMO mice that are basically tic killing tanks are a thing

I meant Seabass

yes that has been due to history @Farunel and not to mention the pesticides and gene editing they do now

pretty cool

Yer cool bud

@Derp

ayy

glow in the dark rats are a thing too

What's wrong with gene editing anyway?

glad I'm cool

Pesticides, sure.

>it exists therefore it's good

<:FeelsKek:379422423206068245>

Gene editing though?

gene editing is a grey area ethically speaking

Depends.

with people it sure is

With produce and veggies and otherwise "nonliving" things

see: tinfoil

designing the perfect baby

yes you can edit the genes of said veges and fruits and add new nutrients doens't mean you'll end up acquiring them though

I dont see any issue with it

because

have you seen the glow in the dark rat

I have not. Link?

Well of course, there's ALWAYS the slippery slope argument. But that's a logical fallacy in arguments anyway.

you can't even get the full amount of nutrients from normal veges what makes you think you'll get whatever other shit they put in there and that it will be a benefit to your body?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7-ofCWJiUg

Assuming we will continue down a dangerous line and not pursuing important advancements is far more dangerous.

important advancements aren't fake food IMO even now fake food and hell most veges are awful for you.

There was also supposedly a mice that chriped like a bird

I dont know if it was actually a thing though

Or a hoax

Ok seabass so you're suggesting we dont eat veggies anymore because all veggies from supermarkets are gmo and therefore useless?

lol

Because all of your veggies at the supermarkets are gmo

no they're just not as healthy as people seem to think they are

veggies in general

you cannot replace animals

corn. that's all I'm going to say

ok enjoy that failing cardiovascular health later in life

I dont really care

Corn has no defense lolol

In one end and out the other with almost no change

<:FeelsKek:379422423206068245> oh yeah the typical vegan propaganda
"hurdurr bad cardiovascular health because a vegan came from a modern fast food diet"

"meat eaters are actually modern americans too so yeah they're the same"

Corn as it exists today... I feel like it was a mistake in a way

daily reminder that all veges have anti nutrients

By the way Seabass, the problem with our veggies aren't them being genetically different, it's more growth practices.

We are growing for quanity instead of quality for a large population

those go hand in hand

we;ve had to modify fruits and veges to keep up with human demand

it being a vege won't make it any less nutritious to us

Just because it is "gmo" doesnt mean it's less nutritious lol

things are growing in off seasons that wouldn't otherwise be growing

no but we probably wouldn't be getting said nutrients from it either

GMO is a farce

GMO is a nonissue tbh. I mean fuck. Speeding up the process of selective breeding whcih we have been doing for centuries as it is. GMO in of itself isn't the problem. It's cultivation/what's being selected to grow. GMO isn't inherently bad.

It's a good tool, and we SHOULD utilize it.

I think the problem is you are treating it as a concept instead of a tool.

it's not just "speeding up" the process they're literally introducing pesticides to said plants to make them resistant but instead it's just leaking said pesticide into the plant which people will then eat.

GMO and pesticides are separate issues. In most cases, they are selecting strains which are RESISTANT to certain diseases and pests. But still adding pesticides later.

yeah as if I believe that horse shit

lol

"don't worry bro just eat your yummy gmos"

GMO is and has been used poorly, doesn't make it a bad tool. It's also been used for good reasons and with great success.

I don't even want to eat vegetables now

lol k go for it

More for us I guess

vegetables have literally been mainly for poor people and slaves.

nobodies gunna stop you or care dude

LOL

That logic though

"Poor people eat it, it must be bad!"

Last I checked rich people arent exactly the poster childs for healthy habits

>not nutrient dense
>meat has always been a status symbol of power and richness
>meat is nutrient dense

That's literally not how the cycle of energy works by the way. I guess you never learned anything about biology, because how it works is that the organisms with the closest relationship to the sun have the most energy.

really makes you think

energy/=/nutrient density

Meat is nutritious BECAUSE the animals ate plants

imagine getting this bent out of shape over what other people do

yes