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@Al_Bi I will definitely concede that the Bible in no way mentions canonization, that practice didn't take hold until the 900s. As for intercession, that's really a matter of faith and if you feel it detracts from God than there's not much I can do to change your mind. As for the Pope, his infallibility was originally intended as a means to discredit false prophets which were EXTREMELY prevalent in the hundred years after Christ's death (Arians, Montanists, Artotyrites, etc) and ensure future generations would not follow their heresies. That said, I think that's definitely come around to bite us on the ass in modernity.
Am I correct to assume that you're Lutheran?
@Matt w/ AFM Thanks for the explanations, I actually really appreciate hearing them from someone like yourself. But again, I’ll definitely have to look more into this.
And no, I’m not explicitly Lutheran. I agree with some Lutheran ideas, but I haven’t looked into the sect quite enough yet to say that I stand with them. At the moment I am non-denominational, and I might stay that way if I find any Biblical reason to devote myself to one particular section of Christianity. I could very well be wrong in this belief, but the way I see it there’s no real need to bind yourself to a specific denomination as I don’t think it’s something that you need to simply follow the teachings of Christ and the Bible. But again, I could just be naive and missing something for holding that stance
Low IQ post but, why does a desert book matter THIS much?
It's nice to see someone able to spend the time arguing the points about catholicism lol
@DCS Cause we think it helps provide the wisdom and truth to everlasting life 🙏
Why do you want everlasting life, isn't life sweet for its brevity?
It's not immortality in the world like you've seen in movies and stuff. There's an afterlife (as I and other desert book enthusiasts would affirm) in which life will continue. And I prefer the everlasting life in heaven as opposed to the eternal damnation of hell.
I was brought up Lutheran and the only problem I have with it right now is them slipping into the Jewish propaganda, that, and refusing to talk about politics or our people and how we have abandoned being the lions of Christ, most in control of the denomination are slowly degrading our faith just like the Satanists that have taken over the Catholic sect. hell, I went to a Christian meeting were next to all the denominations where present a few years ago and they had fucking women pastors and pastors that where divorced, and even had the AUDACISTY to say that the sacriment was just a representation of the blood and body of Christ and not the actual blood and body, they aren't Christians and they should be held accountable for their insidiuos sins of destroying the faith.
That, or we need another Luther to uncuck the faith and cleanse it of the heretics.
Part of Luther's mission was to specifically destroy the Catholic mass. "Having triumphed over the Mass, I think we have triumphed over the whole papacy." seems to be the most direct quote related to his sentiment on that.
"Let us return to the institution. We have then taken away the Mass, and we say in triumph against the Defender of the sacraments, that it is not a work nor a sacrifice, but a word and a sign of divine grace, which Christ uses for establishing and strengthening in us faith in Himself."
So he didn't like the mass, and the mass since vatican 2 is less 'sacrificial', but people don't seem to be returning - or perhaps they are i'm not sure.
The jewish propaganda is everywhere you want to see it. They only sell what you want to buy and too many fools want to buy the comfort of 'yeah i'm right I can be comfortable and I don't have to change'.
r u fuckin gaygan now
I have a lot of questions, I'd say I fall into the category of non-aligned lol
and that's a good fucking point no matter what your Faith is @johnnyc
why should we not be idolizing our ethnic archetypes of strength and power
why are we idolizing and following non-european peoples and faiths
Because why would the creator of the universe offer salvation only for certain races or ethnicities? Jesus was sent to save all people, it doesn’t mean we can’t retain our ethnic borders and culture.
^ literally no one claimed that Jesus is for whites only
The stated issue is the subscription so many have to an ultimately internationalist ideology. Thats the issue some have with Christianity.
He seemed to be asking why we should worship a seemingly non-European God. I understand the argument of Christianity being an internationalist ideology, I just don’t see why that’s a bad thing.
The international aspects of Christianity have been exploited to assist in the breakdown of European peoples' culture and borders. You need not look further than the Catholic Church for proof of that.
Exactly, they’ve been exploited. However I don’t think it’s inherently wrong that a religion include everyone who is righteous and accepts Jesus. I don’t think religion has to be connected to race as European pagans would probably believe. The Catholic Church is indeed corrupt, so I remain a proud Protestant (although one could argue the corruption has seeped into all denominations).
Europeans shouldn’t reject Christianity just because it started in the Middle East and offers salvation for everyone.
I mean, if something is true then it's universally true
Fundamentalist Christians>new age "Christianity"
Change my mind
Protip: you can't
Lmao that’s like posting “trad Whites > fellow Whites, change my mind”
Just saw a show called "Jewish Jesus" on TBN
"Messianic Rabbi K.A. Schneider,a Jewish believer in Jesus and end times messenger of the lord, delivers the word of the lord with true passion of the Holy Spirit."
Jewish. Believes in divinity of Jesus. 🤔
I dunno why Christians get blamed for everything bad thats been happening, all I remember growing up was atheists and new age types all over the place shitting on the right as it was seen as implicitly Christian
weak White men are being blamed
White men that valued things more than their Race
I mean, certainly Christians are complicit in this fall, but to blame the whole thing on Christianity seems dishonest
White men that prioritized other goals and other ideals before the preservation and security of their Race
I agree, the protection of the white race should be prioritzed above all else
Which is why the people who wish to defend the white race should prolly stop squabbling over religion when there is far bigger fish to fry
A Christian who believes in the 14 (and dare I say 88) should be seen as no different than a pagan or an atheist who believes in the same
Why should a gnostic and a pagan and a christian and an atheist and a white shintoist all be at each others throats over their spiritual differences if in the here and now they all wish to preserve the European people and can work together to do so
arguing over the legitimacy of the beliefs within a religious sect =|= being at someone's throats/harming them
good faith religious discussions are one thing - killing based on religion is a betrayal of one's Race
Oh, fair enough then, good faith discussion should always be encouraged
shut up dyno
Catholics that abide by Rome’s decisions and answer to Rome are anti-American traitors
We lambast the Jew for their adherence to Israel, yet we don’t attack the Catholic for their adherence to Rome.
My family is mostly catholic and none of them can stand the pope
JFK is the only catholic i like
other than that
fuck the pope and the church
Fuck the pope, he's a fucking heretic that sees to destroy catholic values
I'm only a Christian but when I see a branch of my faith being tainted I take offense
Fuck off degenerate
Y you angry though
You be like them liberals, just jump to sayin fuck you cause you can't think straight @DCS
Be better bruh
You're just like those liberals, perverting everything you come across
Liberals also like to make accusations without backing
Guess what you're doing
Calling a degenerate a degenerate
Why you angry?
Why you tarred?
Idk bruv, genetics and shit
You are one top of the line troll my guy, you're good man
Unless you're actually angry, in which case I'm sorry for your loss
You do you man
Deepfried meme having ass
Tell me about those Catholic values you're so fond of
BOI U SUPPOSED TO SAY NO U
Why u gotta take the fun outta memes
Sadness set to 11 man
We're reaching levels of twelve year old that shouldn't be possible
*when you're here for the memes but there's that one bro that takes shit too serious*
Shouldn't you be playing with the other tots in fuentes's server?
Who the hell is Fuentes my guy
You should do the politiscales test
I wanna see how much worse you can get
Show us ay
That's the political compass
It's pretty in-depth
Fucksake I never screenshotted mine
@DCS bruh let's move this to another chat because this isn't about God anymore
Fun fact, part of the 'christian for less than a decade' starter kit includes bringing up the Pope incessantly
What kind of Bible do you guys recommend?
i'd go for a holy one
anything besides NIV
NKJV, NASB, ESV, never the message or NIV
anything but NIV or scofield
NIV is only second worst
I personally prefer ESV, but it's your call really
It's the easiest and safest
If your a master at Old English, then I'd suggest King James
That's alright too
Probably the most popular
what is this?
The daily liturgy of the tridentine mass
KJV has a lot of infamous errors and omissions, but you can always cross reference whatever you want with something like openbible.org
Chad God replied to me
What is the wrong with the New International Version that makes it so bad compared to other versions?
We jews now!?
idk about yall
but im not
so that means physical removal is allowed though right?
im converting to catholicism
From being GAAAYYYYY
@ECorp for most parishes the RCIA deadline is Oct 1, you better get on it
registration for christian initiation A word
idk man I'm not catholic I'm guessing
i might or might not convert to catholicism
>blessed plants with holy water
>am staying athiest
Basically a series of rituals and ceremonies that culminate in the Sacraments of Initiation at the Easter Vigil
RCIA for me was meeting with the faith counselor to discuss reading about the catechism, answering any of my questions, and a few rites before baptism and confirmation.
There were scheduled meetings but I regularly had college classes during them so I was a special snowflake.
@ECorp If you're seriously thinking about converting great. I recommend not doing it out of vanity though, only if you're really serious about it. It's a big leap of faith.
@Matt w/ AFM the parish i plan on going to has RCIA stuff scheduled even on days past Oct 1
question to you religious folks
especially any catholics out there
why do catholic priests give thy little boy’s rear salvation
Their priests are rapey, but public school teachers are more rapey per capita
Not sure if that’s a more negative comparison for the school system (more rapey) or the priests (literally why tf are clergy so corruptible by young boys)
It’s the shuffling them around, lying to the public, and pretending the problem ain’t real that’s the more insane problem the Church has
Institutional protection of child rapists is insane, and that’s what the Church has provided for centuries. Hopefully ousting the current Marxist Pope and putting in a goodboi Pope will lead to the eradication of the filth that’s corrupted the Church, but obviously that’s yet to happen
What are christian views on suicide
not based and redpilled
I honestly don’t know much about that specific topic, but I do know that the only people in the Bible who have committed suicide (as far as I know) have been pretty bad people. Examples being Zimri, Amibelech, and, most famously, Judas. So I’d imagine suicide is generally frowned upon in the Christian view. Plus it’s technically murder in a non self defensive manner and as far as I know that’s also generally frowned upon in the Bible. Now, self sacrifice for a righteous reason is a whole other thing, but I can’t say in good conscience that suicide is something that God would be okay with. Again, I’m not too familiar with that topic specifically but that’s just my take
@解放兔 the Bible itself is not clear but IMO the best analysis is by St. Augustine in Book 1 of City of God, goes something like this:
a) Suicide is essentially ALWAYS a sin, as taking one's one life is not only an act of unjustified murder but also subverts God's will by appropriating God's judgment.
b) Even if the would-be performer of the suicide is deserving of death, their preference of death over penitence is an act of cowardice. In other words, they would rather die than be held accountable for their sins.
c) Suicide as an alternative to homicide (St. Augustine refers specifically to Christians in besieged cities who choose suicide over torture and execution) is not permissible; in doing so one sins themselves while preventing their would-be killer from committing a mortal sin.
d) St. Augustine contradicts himself with respect to when it is appropriate to commit suicide to avoid dishonor, the distinction seems to be that it's permissible to commit suicide to prevent a sin but not to remedy one
In terms of the epidemic of pederasty in the church, I tend to agree with Archbishop Vigano that it has less to do with chastity and more to do with what he describes as homosexual networks within the Church leadership. According to him and others, the Vatican constantly looks the other way in admitting known homosexuals into seminaries and positions of power within the Church, and Pope Francis is at the very least overtly sympathetic to homosexuality. Even if you are not at all redpilled with respect to the relationship between homosexuality and pederasty, one can expect that priests graduating from seminaries wherein students literally sleep and party with their male peers and teachers would have a difficult time maintaining their chastity afterwards, and that the need for secrecy would push them to victimize those least likely to speak out.
Bottom line, whereas Pope Benedict was very baste in his hardline attitude towards homosexuals, Pope Francis' going soft on homosexuality gives the greenlight to dormant homosexuals - or active predators - that the Vatican is willing to look the other way. If the Church wants to shed its reputation as a breeding ground for pedophiles it needs to actually follow scripture instead of pandering to Brazilian trannies.
whoa baste and redpilled ^
wanting homos outta the church is baseline lol
And according to cold war era conspiracy, communists allegedly attempted to infiltrate the catholic church specifically with communist and homosexual priests as to disrupt the entire church and bring it down.
Quick question wasn't their a pope that used to be a part of the Hitler youth?
His name was Mussolini
Wasn't their a pope that tried to cleanse the Catholic church of pedos and fags but it was later revealed he was a member of the Hitler youth ?
@NateSac43 you might be thinking of Pope Benedict XVI but in no way he actually supported the Hitler youth
I read through it quickly but he entered it when it was mandatory so
in a way i believe that one doesn't need religion to gain morals
nature already have some punishments for certain immoral actions
incest for example
nature shall punish incest with an inbreed retard baby
i dont think i need to explain that one
If a person does anything immoral they don't really give a fuck
And you could have an incestuous relationship without having kids
So thinking that religion's teachings are not necessary cause of some natural genetic events is dumb and naive
i said *some* punishments
All I know about religion is that I'm so awesome that I must either be a God or Demi-God
Any morals that aren't objectively held aren't real morals, and objectivity can't exist without God
all i care about in religion is if god says traps arent gay
all I care about is if God says immigrants suck
@Jacob Romans 9: "For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, the people of Israel.
Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory,the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised."
I haven't heard of that one, thanks
This one is interesting
so from what i learned about creationists they basically believe "when you disobey god the world goes to shit."
and think that the fairy tales from the bible were real
can't believe someone did this
"when you disobey God the world goes to shit"
the godless West would like a word on the veracity of that statement
also could anyone give me a short reason of how the "Great Flood" started in the bible
did god flood the world for punishment or did he spill his drink
the entire earth became so corrupt that he had to destroy "the society" with the Flood
obviously this is a simplification, but the general point remains true
punishment isn't necessarily how I would describe it either, but in the dichotomy of choices offered, it is more correct than "spilled his drink"
you know i do have to admit these creationists put alot of effort in their attempt to prove that the bible is a history book
Much of it is
Parts are history, parts are songs, parts are proverbs, parts are allegory
stuff such as the roman empire, yes
hopefully chinese heaven exists
y'all eat dogs and bugs
only poor peasants eat that
unless its specifically made to be some exquisite dish
Can't be exquisite if it has dogs or bugs
this channel in a nutshell
But atheism is a belief in no god so how can you crusade against something that doesn’t exist? <:DAB:447369610598023170> <:bigbrain:385729869209665536>
by executing them in minecraft
I can see why Christianity is of such importance to ya’ll
Is she the 'woman' on the left?? lmao damn
prob has a penis
fyi, and "Lutheran" Church that has women pastors aren't fucking Lutheran