I hope I don't sound accusatory, I'm just trying to understand better.

if i tell you that i am a libertarian, are you going to treat the things i say as "those words which a libertarian might peddle"?

No.

i think we've gone into the hypothetical too much

Even if you were a communist I would just debate you as normal.

because on a base principle i agree with you

i think that a nation aught to do what is best for the most people in the nation

the people who that nation belong to

HOWEVER

it is an interesting case in the united states where we *should* view our government as one which does not grant and ungrant rights to citizens like privileges

but respects rights given to citizens by god

or by their own life if you're more of an areligious person

Well now we come to another problem.

Well it’s not a exactly a *right* if it can be taken away

and i think that private property, amongst other things, aught to be left alone without just cause

The "citizenship" question.

Oh boy

Originally, only whites could be citizens, and only land owning males could vote.

If a right can be granted or taken away at will, is it truly a right, or a privilege?

A privilege, by definition

well i said "we should view our government as one which does not grant and ungrant rights to citizens like privileges"

Well that is what we've done.

and that was the original intention of our government

but now we bannin guns n sheit

also libertarian as i may sound in certain conversations

Its ok if you are libertarian.

I was 2 years ago as well.

i totally believe passing laws restricting the business practices of companies like facebook which run the business of public forum aught to be held in violation of the constitution for undue censorship without a damn fine reason

Its a nice ideology that would work if our reality weren't as it were.

holy shit i started that sentence with one structure and finished it with a different structure

Libertarianism can only work in an ethnically homogenous rural society

the federal government is bullshit honestly. the original conception of the states as sovereign is what we should return to

The Cossacks are a really good example of that.

libertarianism is just weird boneless anarcho-capitalism

Or our own "wild west"

It also better be Hoppean libertarianism or you are gay

and the nap is gay

Also fuck the ATF

we lost sovereign states when we lost the civil war

also fuck the atf, cia, nsa, fbi, and repeal the nfa

yes

We lost sovereign states after the Articles of Confederation were scrapped

this country went off the rails in 1830

or thereabouts

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The industrial revolution was also partly to blame for the huge change in America’s economic system

the important question is what comes next

civil war 2

the real question is will civil war 2 be avoided by voting or are we actually gonna have to kill feds

A civil war is inevitable

Well given the circumstances, I don’t see a civil war II being likely but voting seems like the thing more people would be willing to do

not imminent, but inevitable

on one hand i really don't wanna kill anyone
on the other hand i really wanna live in good america

If demographics keep going the way they are and rural and urban america keep drifting further away there will 🅱 a war

i think the changes we need can’t be achieved until the federal government dissolves

nap posting a bit hard

but yeah we need a new fed

lol i’m not an ancap. i think states should be able to do wild shit

Thats a chad post

this time we REALLY need to drill it into our kids heads why we dont let government get too big

the bill of rights shouldn’t apply to the states

and drill it into their heads that they should drill it into THEIR kids heads

okay thats too far bill of rights is fuckin great

the 14th amendment was a disaster

If the bill of rights didn’t apply to the states, every blue state in America would’ve probably repealed the 2nd amendment by now

Bill of rights is just the first 10

state constitutions has their own guarantees of rights

The 19th amendment was a disaster

14 and 19 are really fuckin gay

AYY

it’s not like without the 14th amendment states would just ban everything

there are too many "come and take them" types in all fifty states for guns to just be banned

states had their own constitutions because the federal bill of rights was not meant to apply to them

@seafer on his phone thats me baby

>assault rifles banned in michigan

good luck doing that in detroit

no seriously

i don't think hawaii has too many pro-gun people

good actual fucking luck

Hawaii has the least guns of any state

Hawaii is mostly minorities isn’t it

hawaii isn't even america tbh

some states would go to commie shit, others would do different stuff

Hawaii is mostly Asian

we should just glass it

honestly we should've given hawaii the puerto rico treatment

Puerto Rico should be independent

yeah

i’m fine with some states turning into shit. if that’s what they want to do

^

Cali can fuck off just lemme shoot machineguns in Iowa pls

hey fells take some time and critique my unfinished article on gun rights

if states could act more independently I can almost guarantee that the Mexican population would never had gotten as high as it is now in Texas

yeah that's true

if Texas could defend its own border it would've

Illegals should be shot on sight

same with arizona

Treated as invaders

The Aztecs should be exterminated from Texas.