basically

There’s also a simpler way of dismissing Communism. Does it violate the basic concept of rights?

if i think something's morally wrong

it's not cuz i think it's wrong emotionally

If it does, then it’s amoral.

it's because i think it's objectively wrong

as in

it is bad for the advancement for humanity

technologically and culturally

what is good is whatever benefits humanity

how can you assume yourself capable of that assessment

fascinating

i dont assume im 100% capabler

that's why other people exist

so we can talk about it

i think im right in most things, cuz i believe what i believe cuz i think im right

'talk about it'

?

like

yeah

bro

if i didnt think i was right in something

it would be rather weird if you didnt

i wouldn't believe it, you know what i mean

i would change my opinion

i dont assume other ppl are wrong tho

and so you cannot remove positive bias from assessing yourself

i am very quick to change opinion if i am shown to be wrong

yeah

no one person is capable of that assessment

you will always think what benefits you personally is the best good out there

we need other people

no no no

i dont think what's morally good is what benefits me specifically

i think that egoism is best for humanity

no you just mental gymnastic 'me' into 'society'

and i think being self centered and self drivenis best for humanity

individualism advances society the safest and the fastest

im pro choice but

i really hate how other pro choice people act

they are actually retarded

Abortion is murder.

mate look the deal is

yeah eating meat is also murder

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do i care

not really

is it wrong to only try to prevent white abortions?

no

yes

it is

like you have to stop believing yourself 😛

you need to not prevent all abortions

you need to abort LITERALLY every baby

if youdont abort every baby, you are morally wrong

literally every baby

If it isn’t human, then it’s not murder. Murder is specifically associated with willfully killing one human being by another human being.

yeah but how do you define a human being

any homo sapiens?

If you consider a human fetus to be human, then abortion is, by definition, murder.

that is the crux hah

ok, jokes aside

we don't kill people

but we don't think all humans are people

you wanna know the real reason im pro choice?

nope

it has nothing to do with murder or whatever

we need more cat abortions

catortions

it's cuz you cant enforce or control it

If you don’t think all humans are people, then what constitutes a human being?

prohibiton doesnt work

for drugs

for guns

for abortions

There's a difference between can't and don't

Depends what you mean

We enforce a good deal

i dont think the government has a right to tell what women can do with their bodies

What abou tme

why can it tell men?

fetuses may be technically human

it cant tell men

@Polekov only if those things are viewed as not being objectively bad.

Can I strangle people with my own hands

the government has no right to tell anyone what they can do with their bodies

kek

You can't tell me what to do with my hands to another distinct human life

i mean in your universe perhaps

Murder is prohibited, but the reason why we treat that differently is because virtually everyone agrees murder is wrong.

We throw people in prison for what they do with their bodies all the time; particularly their penises.

murder should be legal

btw government aint telling women shit

abortion should be legal because we need to let people get rid of babies that complicate the mother's health or if it's a rape baby

if you really feel like you should kill someone

you should be able to do it

im not in favor of using abortion as contraception

i think that is really fucked up

Less than a hundredth of one percent of babies are rape babies

without legal repercussions

but there isn't really an alternative

it's like saying allowing circumcision is the govt cutting men's foreskins off

yeah and less than a hundreth of people get abortions

it is though

@Polekov and no one is arguing that all abortions should be banned. They’re saying it should be restricted to cases when it’s absolutely necessary.

That's the problem with the left

circiumcision is a crime

They are pushing people to get abortions like they are candy

@Little Boots yeah but u cant rly stop people from getting abortions

if u illegalize it

all it does is make people use coat hangers

or they go to mexico

Probably wouldn't be bad to legalise abortion 50 years ago bc basically none would use it

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@Polekov Nah dude you don't get it. Out of 10 thousand abortions only 3 are due to rape. What are the rest of the abortions for then?

@Jake the Exile contraception

Yeah I agree with the heartbeat law

@Polekov make them feel guilty for getting it and teach them that it’s morally wrong to get one for selfish reasons works pretty well at getting people to stop doing bad stuff.

i seriously can't see how controlling abortions is controlling whamen's bodies

@Little Boots yeah because guilting people works lmao

Its not

@Polekov it works pretty well when dealing with murder.

I fucking hate the argument that abortion is about controlling womens bodies

@Little Boots no it doesnt

there are a fuckton of murders that happen in the world

IKR

even though murder is seen as forbidden in literally every society

even the most primitive societies

it kinda is about controlling the wammen

it hinges on wheather or not the fetus is a person and therefor has nothing to fucking do with women or their probably 2/10 bodies

how marxist you have to be to think about such a thing in power dynamics terms lol

it's controlling women's bodies because it's literally inside their body

if the state is stepping in telling them what to do with their bodies

i think casual abortion is very wrong

but u cant outlaw people being immoral

@Polekov and most who do it are severely punished for doing it... almost as if everyone else has the conscious to not let a terrible deed go unpunished.

that never works

It applies to women because women are the only ones that can carry a fetus

Its not about women its about the fetus

Which only women can have

For now anyway

i mean the guy has a part in conceiving of a fetus lol

Again, by the same logic, outlawing murder is unnecessary because “it never works.”

i believe in someone's right over personal sovereignty as long as theyre not aborting someone else's body then its fine

I agree with boots argument there

Was going to say the same thing earlier

i would recommend you not to get tattoos, but i dont have the right to force you to do what i want

yep

a fetus is incapable of meaningful life until it's outside the womb

so

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who cares

The point of laws is to not prevent something, but to punish those who violate the act in the first place so when a crime is committed, proper procedures will be followed when dealing with the case.

it sucks coz they wont take your blood or organs if youve got tattoos

It isn't always though

Do you expect a one-year-old to order pizza?

It can't fend for itself as a toddler either.

And these people want abortions at the 6 month mark and beyond

ordering pizza is not a meaningful life

Babies need constant attention for years.

fending for itself is not the same as havbing a meaningful life

Maybe not you I'm not singleing anyone out

Babies can’t burp on their own.

Yeah and

@Samaritan can u play stellaris or u still at work

They literally cannot do anything without continual supervision.

Not working right now

i say postnatal abortions up to 21 years of age

I'm in a shit mood though

^

So I want to scream on discord about abortion some more

until you get your ID, you can get offed at any moment

that'd fix the millennial broken brains

Ok

That’s why the entire argument of “development” is nonsensical and is a slippery slope.

Also i think y'all are right

how about this

the woman should be able to abort a nonviable fetus

as in deformed or incestous

or if the fetus endangers the mothers health

hahaha

incest shaming

Who decides that?

cuz abortion as contraception is pretty wrong

@Polekov as stated previously, no one is arguing all abortions should be stopped. Only medically unnecessary ones.

Should we kill adult vegetables too?

@Little Boots yeah i can get on board with that

Not even republicans are arguing for all abortions to be stopped.

Again, that exception doesn't apply to 99.97 percent of CURRENT abortions.

remember they were gassing intellectually infirm in '30s germany

^

i still think abortions should be allowed if the mother is raped

and the mother cant afford to have a kid

while intellectually infirm = not supporting the party 😂

Why?

even if it is "viable"

I think the Republicans are wrong about the heartbeat law because its probably a little early

How is that the baby's fault>

@Polekov then we should kill the poor, then.

because forcing a mother to raise a child she didnt want to have is kinda fucked up

and it'll make the kid miserable too

But since we can't grow a child outside the womb and see exactly when the brain develops or whatever

like

i dont mean working class poor

No need to have those silly poor people if we can just kill them before they’re born!

i mean literally on the street poor

Your exception doesn't apply in a country with soup kitchens and five churches in every town

yeah let's force someone to raise a kid with no assistance

that's humane right

upon a college level evaluation, any students showing tendency to join socialist and communist groups should be recommended for "post natal abortion"

@Polekov that is subjective. “Poor” is extremely loosely defined.

Do you know what a church is?

They don't have to

i didnt say "abort poor babies"

i said

Do you know what charity is?

"abort rape babies"

yeah let's force someone to rely on charity

that's human

They can legally abandom the kid or whatever at a hospital

instead of letting them have a normal life

like

if a woman wants to go to college

and have a career

mate

but it's ruined because someone raped them

i'd like to do a lot of shit

@Polekov having a poor life is better than having your life denied in the first place.

Yeah

That's why rapist are evil and should have their throats cut

Fuck them

KIll them all

@Little Boots having your life ruined is worse than having someone who isnt conscious have their life cut short

and when i say ruined

i mean ruined in the most literal sense

AHA gotim

which countries is it illegal to abort rape child in?

Muslim ones probably

Wait read that as rape kids

it's only illegal if you get caught

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@Polekov again, it’s more cruel to deny them the chance to live based on a hypothetical than to allow them to live. Hindsight is 20/20, but we base our decisions on what we know in the here and now.

employ spartan baby screening process
too bad for wh*toid babies though
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@Little Boots how is killing something that cant feel or think cruel

again, we do that to animals

@BabaBooey

Its retarded because if you're raped you have plenty of time to have an abortion in the 2 weeks before the kid has a heartbeat

on a daily basis, in the billions

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