lol

and once derivatives were allowed, it became possible to PROFIT from the COLLAPSE/FAILURE of a company

And be absorbed by said monopoly.

that is the opposite of capitalism

it's exploitation, plain and simple

Which, again, we've seen repeatedly and is why anti-trust laws are needed.

They exist they need to be enforced

but anti-trusst laws won't help competitiion

they will only penalize monopolies

@SageTheory and despite the anti monopoly laws monopolies still formed and continue to form today

not always the same

They try to make the playing field more even, though.

yeah so did affirmative action

lol

we see how that works

Once again a select few and I'm not saying it's not a problem

Affirmative Action is equal outcome.

@Laucivol exactly, it's not real capitalism once fiat is introduced

well the problem is now, with the FED, it is more profitable to simply move money around than to actually PRODUCE, or SAVE/INVEST

First step is some how ween off of fiat.

How? Fuck. Wish I knew.

that only concentrates the wealth with those that HAVE money to move

not after 2008

quantative easing is through the roof

hence the trade war

I think that's where we agree as a whole.. fiat currency is diabolical .

but there IS a legitamate argument for it; liquidity

Can't work towards either ideal in this weather.

there has to be enough of it for everyone to be able to participate in the system

I'm saying ancaps would make it worse but all you want to tell me is that people are benevolent and would never do that because.... I dunno.... Competition for monopolies to destroy?

and the more the population grows, the more deflation a non-fiat would see

ancaps wouldn't be able to seperate security from trade

To be clear I leverage towards mixed. Monopolies are bad. AnCap has no system to prevent that.

and thus those with the guns would just TAKE rather than trade

Of course I'm also a fan of more decentralized control.

current govs seperate those who apply force from the incentive to imply force

Stronger local govt's is good because reactions are a local matter.

And federal should be external focused.

cops don't get paid based on how many people they arrest or how badass the criminals they take down ar

So things like the trade war, border security and so on is the intended focus for the feds.

And to hold the states to the Constitution.

Oh, and making sure interstate interactions are conducted fairly.

govt is ALWAYS best when the decsion powwe is focused on the level of the avg person

constitution? we haven't followed it in decades

Unfortunately... I think it's been quite a few decades.

If not more than a century.

"Power shalll rest with the States and only that authority which IT chooses shall be delegated to the Federal gov"

Ayup.

more than a century at least

The only problem was that chattel slavery would be permissible.

but, now the Federal Gov uses leverage to FORCE the states to do what they want and render them impotent

Yeah it's a problem but I don't think dissolving the fed is a good idea

Which is bad for the individual... and for commerce.

well, if we let the South LEAVE, we wouldn't have to DEAL with thiis shit

Also, that's something that AnCap doesn't work around either.

But "From sea to shining sea"!

both the Dems and the Race-baiters would have killed each other long ago before joining sides

@Laucivol nice in theory but in practice federal governments always overstep their bounds and grow wildly out of control, no constitution prevents this

of course, that is why 'constant vigilance'

that is also in the design

But *not* having it means that the corporations still over reach.

the gov only is as good as the PEOPLE demand

and if you want to know the problem, go find a mirror

It's certainly a pickle.

@SageTheory you have to disolve all government

On a side note.. this song just got into my head.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5VMZqgVzRo

"I owe my soul to the company store."

well, that is the biggest problem; corporations are allowed to be mutil-state AND multi-national

no, that shouldn't be

one state, one set of laws

Okay I'm sure the rest of the world would love it too. China would enjoy it.

one juristiction responsible for them

OOOO GREAT TASTE

I love that song

have a copy of it too

Yeah.. it's a fantastic one.

@ManAnimal and you think you can expect the populace to remain constantly vigilant? history has shown us that they wont be

Yo this one goes out to all the mutts. What the fuck is a home owners association

'expect', quite the opposite

I really like the end of it with the elongation of the notes.

why would one make such a foolish expectation?

@Laucivol the corporations overreach anyways

me too, great song to sing to in the car

when your problem is so unique that google results don't help

I might be a ZOOMER if....

Home owners associations are a neighborhood that (purportedly) represent the interest of the neighborhood. Including things like property values and so on. @Kazza

.... a woman asks me how she looks in her dress and i try to GOOGLE THE ANSWER!

I'll stand on the Boomer thing, 'cause as I've said.. we built this house.

yee haw and howdy partners

wasssup! (chink of glass)

I shrug and give an honest answer... ... .. this is probably why I'm single.

I’d say I shouldn’t be drinking this early but it’s the only way I can deal with the day

I hear ya, laucivoui

Oof @lunemarie It's late late eve for me.

Roads lol

@Terry Arcona i met Christian Von Koningsegg he was a cool guy

i have an expression, "Reality is my best friend. Most days he REALLY pisses me off.. but he NEVER lies to me..."

Why are the ancaps only here at like 3am

it’s 8:39am thank you

@Terry Arcona is it theft if it's justified?

it's early

as i usually get up at 0400

@lunemarie cool, very capitalistic minded as most automakers are

maybe it is late?

@Terry Arcona Is it, though?

@Muten I don't think you can ever justify theft

2339 here.

is it theft

if it is justified

@Terry Arcona he’s a fucking amazing engineer too I asked him about the Light Speed Transmission and he basically walked me through it step by step

read the question'

That's the thing, do the ends justify the means.. .or the means the ends?

@lunemarie yea he's highly technical and very inteligent, I've seen his videos

tbh stealing from poor people is justified because they’d be paid more if they were worth anything

@lunemarie so awesome you met him

I'm fixing my sleeping schedule by staying up for 40 hours

@Laucivol, "The TRUTH points to itself'"

@Terry Arcona is it theft, if it is justified?

you can 'justify' anything

And that gives me another theological justification for Christianity. XD @ManAnimal

I meet lots of cool people about mostly because of where I live but he was at some car show @Terry Arcona

@Muten of course, even if it's justfied stealing is stealing

@ManAnimal that's not the question

@Terry Arcona cool cool

Ooh, yay! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TajUFGstkk4

I *adore* the chorus.

Nobody has ever answered that question

Theft is fine so long as you just steal my heart ❤

Mostly because my boss' name is Jim.

"I do not know the MEANING of liife, however, all life from bacteria to people do one thing uniquely: they create ORDER from CHAOS"

what

Hey it’s Jordan Lobster Peterson

who are you quoting

is anyone online rn a comicbook nerd?

holy dog shit cow

not here for comics just got l’alcool

Timeward! you are alive

@Timeward y are u gay

I'm on vacation, got more fun stuff to do than chat here I suppose

good, glad to hear

"You don't tug on Superman's Cape. You don't spit into the wind. You don't pull the mask ofg the of the old Long Ranger. And you don't mess around with Jim." Words to live by.

Jim Croce

Got starbound in the steam sle

Yesh.

sale

been playing it a lot

also on my playlist

@Muten yea I mean with out being able to think of the best analogy here because it's fucking late, if you steal food from a store because you lost your job and your kid is starving, it's still theft, maybe it was for a noble cause but theft is still theft the nobilty of it doesn't change the action it self

its a great little game

Also, @Timeward by proxy I count as a comic nerd.

stealing from the rich to give to the poor is commie and Robin Hood should be thrown out a helicopter

@Terry Arcona but it does affect justice, tho that is a seperate issue

@lunemarie this

"If you want to understand someone, fight them... make them angry. It's only then you see the real person"

I wanna know what causes the civil war in the marvel comics

I surround myself with comic book nerds and the like 'cause it's fun.

like the original civil war

@Muten yes justice is a whole other topic

@Terry Arcona agreed

Basically Stark and Cap disagreeing about the threat of Super Powered individuals.

Wasnt there something about the mutants?

hmm lke commies and Ancaps

and identity registration?

Yes.

With the MCU and its public identity stuff being what it is

a lot of that had to be reworked

But the ideologies are kinda what we were just discussing.

As GMAE said.

If the sperm goes into the egg and you grow from the egg, is your dad's sperm still inside you?

no

your dad's sperm is you

(can';t beleive u answered that)

facepalm

I suppose the mutants would change the game a lot because youre talking about putting a whole class of people on a registry over genetics

owo\

Cap was all individualism.. Stark was all "But we need to be responsible."

Ultimately Stark started to employ villains, too.

jeez

Sounds like the old PsyCops....

cyclops

Cap was representative of old-school American ideology.

isnt the whole secret identity thing in comics a thing because heroes have a reason to protect their identity?

no, PsyCorp

@Medeyer I mean obviously it’s in most people here since they’re all incestueuse

cyclops

Prior to the registration Acts they were vigilantes.

I suppose even in the comics stark wouldnt be one to understand t hat

grumble, Bester looks at Muten and puts him to sleep

Which is still illegal even prior to the Mutant Registration Acts.

And the segregation that goes with it.

the difference between a vigilante and a hero

@ManAnimal fuck off rp faggot

is if the police wants to catch them

Basically.

and you are retarded

like

spiderman

spider-man?

spider-man

*shrugs*

spodermon

he had to earn the trust of the police in NY

i don't like the way the new marvel is fucking with the 'moral of the story'

And Cap is - as I understand it - painted as the hero of the matter.

He works directly with police in NY too.

(Which is something I agree with.)

isn't cap fucking assassinated?

at the end?

shame I’m not

Hrm, not sure TBH.

put me out of this alcoholic misery

Cap? (for the commic normie?

Captain America

ah

Right?

Truth is that I've had extensive convos with someone that went through them, but I haven't read Civil War, meself.

Lunemarie, Kein Alchohol is auch Keine Losung

I’m not into comics or anything either

And he's notably obsessed about the Punisher.

also

@ManAnimal kys

Considering he punches Cap in the face.

tfw hank throws shade on movie tony for creating ultron when comic hank pym created ultron

smh

@Muten kys

K Y S S

Suicide cult ?

(Also, me being a retired Marine. Ooh-fucking-rah Frank Castle.)

Frank castle is the man

hheh

ooh sorry retired marine hard man

also just a thing

Ho-rah

in the ranking of marvel's most inteligent

@Muten kill me please not yourself

its always reed richards right?

Damnit, no. It's Oorah in the Marines... and *only* Marines get to say it. XD

I will kms

lunemarie, what the problemo?

Do you like being killed?

I fEEL LIKE SHIT to be honest

Yes.

why lune?

Actually I'm hurting bad from my own bit of alcohol consumption on the flights, meself.

Well. It’s not uncommon