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but i don't have a problem with one less clone
I know otherwise I would have already done it
eexactly! you didnt think about that did you! take one for the team for once FFS!
His defence in court is going to be they where just chilling until she jumped too high and hit the celling fan
>in an SUV
heh
Yes and then he posted the pictures on instagram so people would call for help
He didn't have time too because he was too busy trying to revive her
Fucking Incels.......
wasnt fuzzy's ex girtlfriend named bianca?
He was a total incel
fuzzy had gf/
INTERESTING
Impossible
thought that was just his PFD
BAKA NA
PFD: PLastic Fuck Doll
someone contact fuzzy to see if his former gf was killed lol
I used to have him in my friends list
you can't kill plastic
I have no idea why
So I removed him
he has me blocked
smdh
fuzzy block
sounds like an illness
more like an ointment to prevent getting a disease
It kind of is
@Edog I hope so
@Samaritan Because you're a masochist
What did I do?
Have fuzzy in my friendslist?
Was 6 hour slow chat finally turned on
that's quite a difference from this article from almost three years ago https://forward.com/scribe/348466/im-a-jew-and-im-a-member-of-the-alt-right/
99% of what comes out of all the Jewish focused media (Jewish Daily Forward, Jerusalem Post, Haaretz, Times of Israel, MyJewishLearning, etc) is like the image I posted
yeah
I know Haaretz is highly respected but they're as shamelessly left-biased as Buzzfeed
I was literally just reading an article from 2016, about public opinion towards the Alt-Right.
@yearspastmatter https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-as-pittsburgh-jews-we-will-mourn-our-dead-by-mobilizing-for-refugees-1.6608928
```"Our big, florid president shouted about a 'caravan'. The shooter joined the mob declaring: The Jews are behind it all. To which our answer is: We, as Jews, will welcome every single person seeking safety and opportunity"```
"The online poll of 1,299 young adults, including an over-sample of minorities, was taken Oct. 21-24 by Ipsos Public Affairs. The survey has a credibility interval, akin to a margin of error, of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Among those who express an opinion, 34% say they have a favorable opinion of the alt-right, 21% an unfavorable one. Among whites, the favorable-unfavorable divide is 33%-19%. Among African Americans, it is 31%-27%. Among Hispanics, 46%-23%. Among Asian Americans, 37%-23%."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/31/poll-millennials-black-lives-matter-alt-right/92999936/
Keep in mind that was before the media hit jobs.
I'm Jewish but agree with almost 100% of what the guy said in that article I posted
except I'm not "a member" of the alt-right
@yearspastmatter I know a Jewish guy who calls himself "Alt Right" and "Pro White" but I still disagree with him on a lot because he disregards a lot of the Jewish influence in everything even in the face of evidence.
The alt-right is a movement, not an organization. It has no members, only supporters. :-P
Including apparently 31% of blacks, back in 2016. Before the media hit jobs.
did you ever watch Frame Game Radio when he was around?
yeah but I don't really like Frame Games or Halsey
He was on JF's show a lot
and Luke Ford is a weird one
Halsey started to change a little, started using SPLC rhetoric to attack Alt Right people
not ethnically Jewish but converted and is an extremely out and proud religious Jew who calls himself alt-right
strange dude
Yeah he is into all the drama stuff
He does seemed to have fully embraced Judaism and comes off as genuinely Jewish
I haven't been keeping up much with the alt-right world recently
haven't watched Mark Collett or Jason Kรถhne in a while
more alt-lite and general politics stuff instead, and non-political content
I typically only watch Collett when he has a good guest on or is specifically covering a topic that I want to hear about. Only ever hear NWG on Collett's show.
Imo there is better people to follow more closely who more accurately represent majority of Alt Right beliefs, not to say those guys aren't good though.
yeah Collett's speaking style is not my favorite so like you I watch only when there's a good guest
NWG is a hell of an orator though when he really gets going
From the looks of it, that Jewish guy was alt-right because he didn't trust the left to actually protect Jews from violence, and didn't trust the mainstream right to not fuck things up.
Furthermore, he saw that a lot of the far right was composed of pro-Israel evangelical Christians.
Given the way the left attacks Jewish people, and the fact that a lot of the actual physical assaults on Jews are carried out by black men, I can't say I blame him.
Hell, just look at the anti-semitism of the Labour Party.
and look at the ridiculous excuses the democratic leadership makes for Ilhan Omar and her ilk
"she has a different experience with words"
You see this same kind of thinking in The Lobby documentary where the Israel lobby is focused on trying to get the left under control because they feel like they already have the right under control but its aged badly since then. Support only seems to have fallen as time goes by.
I'd say about half of the far-right will support Israel, just because Jews in Israel are not in Europe or the United States, and a significant percentage of them dislike Palestinians even more than Jews.
A smaller percentage of the alt-right isn't anti-semitic at all, and think as long as Jews don't control an overwhelmingly disproportionate share of social power things should be OK.
The David Dukes of the world are super rare, and even actual anti-semites will often be OK with a supporting a lone Jew as long as they think that Jew isn't part of the NWO.
will never understand anti-semitism it exactly the same as the far left and their hatred of white people
@yearspastmatter I don't see Ilhan Omar being critical of Jewish lobby as a bad thing and the fact she has had everything come down on her as hard as it has since shows some of that power (the sudden interest in her marriage, the condemnation from both sides, etc). Is it unreasonable to point out a group with so much money and influence? Its not even subject to foreign lobbying laws because loopholes.
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@Arthur Grayborn What is your definition of "far right" I hate these "left" and "right" terms.
I think you underestimate how sick of things people are getting
The MIGA meme didn't come from no where
@ฯบ14แ - The far right is a mixture of ethnonationalists, hyper-traditionalists, and ethnocentric libertarians. You've got a lot of Dark Enlightenment theory in there, like race realism.
There are too many competing ideologies to claim the alt right stands for any idea in particular. It's more so a loose-knit coalition of right wing dissenters, who have bones to pick with the mainstream establishment.
Jesse Lee Peterson and Thomas Sowell are people that I would consider alt-right, because they're very traditional, and could be accurately described as right wing dissenters.
They're not ethnonationalists, but they are traditionalists and libertarians.
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@Arthur Grayborn I'm saying "far right" is subjective. Its better to just name the ideologies specifically like you just did.
"ethnonationalists", Traditionalists and whatnot aren't at all mostly supportive of Israel. They're mostly against Israel and know about Jewish power.
Your definition of "far right" is essentially what other people who identify with the "Alt Right" label, label as "Alt Right" as an umbrella term for all these things.
JLP and Thomas Sowell are not Alt Right lmfao.
Thomas Sowell is just a Conservative.
@yearspastmatter I was going to say earlier, better representation of Alt Right imo is to listen to Enoch or Striker. Those two are at the top of the list for who best represents the majority nowadays. White Nationalists, Third Positionists, etc.
Jesse Lee Peterson and Thomas Sowell are good examples of what the alt-right would be for black people, with a heavy emphasis on traditional family structures, Christian values, and libertarian ethos.
Jordan Peterson probably reflects the more sane wing of the alt-right for white people, because he does acknowledge the importance of biological determinism and tends to emphasize Christian heritage and ethos. He's had some level of support from Kanye West.
People like Richard Spencer and Mark Collette are strictly ethnonationalist, and fringe even among the alt-right.
Alt Right is literally the most broad political term then
Which is why no one anymore identifies with it
execept maybe Spencer and his retarded twitter followers
@Vir I see it as "They're the alternative for that group"
We should be willing to acknowledge that "alt-right" is an umbrella term though, and it does in fact include a lot of very popular black, Hispanic, Asian, and Jewish speakers.
Libertarianism, traditionalism, ethnic focus, and a mixture of biological and cultural determinism tend to be the driving factors of the alt-right. There are a lot of very popular black conservatives who acknowledge that part of the racial gap might be genetic, but we also need to focus on cultural factors.
O R A N G E H O R S E B A D !
I'm pretty awful, yes
Kek.
Every time you see an Asian dude plugging Western Culture, and demanding that he be recognized as American and not an Asian dude, he's basically alt-right. Especially if libertarian, traditionalist, and Christian.
The Alt Right is hardly Libertarian. It grew out of Libertarianism a couple years ago at least. Most people in the Alt Right aren't religious either. Its like 50% Atheist/Agnostic, 40% Christian, 10% Pagan. I would say "Alt Right for Black people" is more Black Nationalists, Louis Farrakhan, Muhammad Ali, Hoteps, etc.
Spencer and Collett are the only Alt Right people you've mentioned so far lol. @Arthur Grayborn
Doesn't make it a bad thing. He's not in the Richard Spencer wing.
HISPANICS ARE FUCKING BASED
Ali is based
@ฯบ14แ - The alt-right started with the Dark Enlightenment. Curtis Yarvin was literally a fucking Jew, and his views have become far more popular in recent years.
Alt Right is literally anyone who isent a boomer conservative/classic liberal or a socialist
"Dark Enlightenment" is just NRx and NRx is heavily infiltrated by Zionist shills
It expanded and diversified over time, just like capitalist and communist theory.
You have Laissez Faire, Regulated, and Welfare versions of capitalism.
Just like communism has Maoism, Trotskyism, Stalinism, and so forth.
The alt-right is a mixture of NRX, traditionalism, ethnonationalist, and so forth.
No one cares about the Alt right its too broad for anyone to be apart of
@Vir - Capitalism is just as broad.
Laissez Faire Capitalism
Regulated Capitalism
Anti-Monopoly Capitalism
Welfare Capitalism
Keynesian Capitalism
Then of course you've got the mixed-system approach, which incorporates elements of socialism.
how?
@Arthur Grayborn Nearly everyone of note who identifies as Alt Right is now anti-Capitalist.
whart part of a mixed economy is socialist?
As well as anti-Communist
yeah but you dont hear people describing their political views as in "Yeah im just a capitalist"
If the alt-right was economics, Richard Spencer would be a Social Darwinist and Ben Shapiro would be a Regulatory State Capitalist.
Its always one sect of it
also, don't confuse economy and economics
opps government
@Vir - Most people are capitalist though, even among the left.
China & USSR both communist govs but one utilized a totally planned economy
Yeah but they dont just call themselves capitalists
It's just that they usually embrace one particular form of capitalism.
Welfare capitalism is extremely popular among the Silicon Valley elites.
Regulated capitalism among most of your ordinary conservatives.
Laissez Faire tends to be an extreme libertarian view.
capitalist isnt an ideology
Ancap is Laissez Faire with an even stronger anti-government bent.
Laissez Faire is also more a theory than an implementation
Good video
further, once you added the Federal Reserve to regulate interest rates, Capitalism behaves differently
and derivatives make it posible to profit from failure without penalty for hoarding capital
@ฯบ14แ - ...and how many people on the left would describe Milo Yiannopoulos, the Proud Boys, and Carl Benjamin as alt-right? You can change it as much as you want, but if you're a dissenting conservative then you're pretty much alt-right.
It's an umbrella term, and it should be rightly recognized as a broad term. "Very conservative, but not mainstream."
point is, there is 'ideal captialism' and then the shitty implementations
they aren't all theoretical
Yeah, and communists would argue the same.
Trotskyism, Stalinism, and Maoism are all different in their implementation, while sharing a lot of commonalities.
@Arthur Grayborn It doesn't matter how other people describe them. Reality matters. There is people who know what Alt Right means and identify with it and all those people are White Nationalist Third Positionists.
Milo, Proud Boys and Sargon are all Alt Lite, not Alt Right.
no,because there has never been a successful commuinist implementation
the capitalist system has been altered
and even the altereations have shown success
Just saying capitalism isnt ever a fair comparison unless its just to another large whole like socialism
Communism has been tried, quite successfully, in small religious communities. There are tons of insular monasteries that grow their own food, and produce goods to help subsidize their operation. All community owned and operated. Private property is effectively limited to what you keep in your own bedroom.
especially compared to socialism which fails regardless of implmentation
commununism is parasitic
Milo, PB and Sargon arenโt alt lite.
Alt lite doesnโt exist.
Like when people talk about just fascism, youre fucking retarded there is a shit ton of wildly different types of fascism your statements mean nothing
it can only work by leeching off of an external group's resources
same with fascism
@ฯบ14แ how would you categorize people like ramzpaul? the classic "alt-right adjacent"? He's a bit closer than alt-lite folks tend to be
@ManAnimal - A lot of Catholic Monasteries operate on a communist mode, producing their own goods and selling some to subsidize their operation. Many of them are self-sufficient.
A lot of Jewish Yeshivas were the same way, at least for a while.
both couldn't exist without leeching off of investment from the more prosperous
โAlt liteโ a term used to describe people we donโt like for whom โalt rightโ is far too preposterous.
the catholic church funded them
Not all of these communities have a benefactor.
When communism works, you typically see it in connection with hyper-religious communities.
and the church was propped up by what they took from others
@yearspastmatter Ramzpaul is Alt Right. He is a White Nationalist and at the very least interested in Third Position (listen to his discussion with Cultured Thug he talks about this) he is just more careful with how he presents himself.
communism DOESN"T work
it just moves resources around like robin hood
without the rich there is no one to steal from
@ManAnimal - Tons of cults have done the same, and made it work. At least for a little while.
Communes have been a thing in the United States for decades, as have worker owned businesses (more syndicalist than communist though).
and the system collapses
always
Homeland still exists. Worker owned.
understood but the fact remains these are always parasitic groups
Homeland as a grocery store closely reflects what you might see in a communist system.
That's not an endorsement, just an example of communism in practice.
that cannot sustain themselvees withut an outside sponsor
@Scale_e Think of it as a scale. On one end you have NeoCon and on the other end you have Alt Right, then between Alt Right and NeoCon is Alt Lite. Its pretty simple to understand.
Alt Lite is a term to describe people who fit where I just explained they fit.
My issue with communism is that people never scale it up incrementally, and implementation at a large scale always seems to come with massive human rights abuses.
@Arthur Grayborn these communes you describe... arenโt communist. They are cooperatives existing within a capitalist country. They work because they can still engage in the capitalism that exists around them.
it cannot be scaled incrementallly
National Socialism, isnt socialism (as in Stalin/Lenin socialism) change my mind
@Scale_e - Cooperatives dominating an economic system, with more central management, would effectively turn the system into a "socialist" economic system.
because those providing the inpute will always divert that input
Yeah you could say its like Nordic country socialism, or even some DNC members
bill gates or steve jobs wouldn't have invented computers without individual incentives
But I mean like stalin socialism
@Vir It is a form of Socialism, but its non-Marxist socialism. Socialism doesn't have to be a bad word, its not Communism.
inevitaby people just do the min they can and get by
you can't force a person to create or improve if they don't beleive in the fairy tale
My point is that there are examples of syndicalism, communism, and socialism that nobody minds. Few people have an issue with it.
It's more when people try to scale it up, they usually do a shit job of it.
For every functional state owned utility, there are two more than are run like shit because political pandering becomes more critical to job promotion than qualification or capability.
but you can incentivize them based on what they want themselves which they can purchae with capital
i see where you are going but those are not the same
they aren't systems of economics
they are systems of cooperation
Socialism = State owns the means of production.
Communism = Socialism, but with less central control and less inequality (IE - Your manager's apartment is no bigger than yours)
it's more than that
that is just the theory
it's about the DECISION of allocation
what type of factory to build and when?
what to make?
@ฯบ14แ But what does that scale represent? The positions you describe are completely different ideologies. Itโs not a sliding scale of โless conservativeโ to โmore conservativeโ.
The only possible rational behind that scale could be โThe SJW types hate one end a little bit more than the other end.โ
where to build it?
The state is just a means of social organization.
No different than a corporation, except in the scope it's allowed to operate. The state prevents others from hijacking certain state roles by means of socially sanctioned violence.
each decisions is a risk with a cost
the ownere absorbs the risk that the worker does not
Some states are family owned (monarchy), others by everyone (democracy), others by an elite few (oligarchy)
the 'means of production' don't make productivity
only the APPLICATION Of those means to the CORRECT activity makes productivity
The state is different to a corporation. The state should represent an ideology. A core set of values. It should give its citizens part of their identity. It is not merely a business with special privileges and responsibilities.
the market aggregates these factors and gives a moment to moment feel for what the best allocation of those means are
I'm just saying there are pragmatic reasons to oppose communism and socialism, and those pragmatic reasons should be a bigger factor than any theoretical opposition. In applied theory, we could label the military a socialist enterprise (state owned), while true capitalism would mandate the privatization of the military and a reliance on mercenary companies.
We should focus less on the theoretical foundations, and more on pragmatic concerns.
planned economies cant' match this
agrreed
but your arguements are all theoretical
I want a republican ethnonationalist nazbol/ancap Norse Matriarchy
they don't address the real world need to allocate those means of production
regardless of who controls it
Pragmatism should be the default approach for handling economic realities.
Theory is useful, especially if you want to dive super deep into economics, but it has its limits and those limits are worth understanding. It's likely that no pure system would ever work, regardless of whether it's capitalist, socialist, or communist. Mixed systems, at the very least capitalism with some socialist elements (police, fire, military), seems to be the optimal approach.
this is true
The reason to avoid socialism, and communism, is that planned economies, donโt, canโt, have never, will never work. You cannot replace a bottom up free market with top down control. No individual, nor any group of elites, can ever replace the hive mind of *millions* of citizens working in their own self interest.
this is true
@Scale_e - I disagree. It's more that the LIKELIHOOD of a planned economy blowing up in your face is so great, that it's not worth risking at the present moment.
@Scale_e Its a scale of more genuine Nationalism and honesty I guess. Its kind of hard to describe because its kind of esoteric. As in, "NeoCons" are further away from the truth and controlled opposition essentially; They pretend like they are supposed to be the socially right wing ones and patriotic but they really aren't. Alt Lite is closer to being the real thing, Alt Right is the real thing.
Itโs not โlikelyโ. Itโs inevitable.
it is very difficult to keep any gov honest
and free markets dont' require oversight
everything else does
A socialist/communist system with Alexandria Occasio Cortez, Ilham Omar, and Joe Biden at the top would be a fucking catastrophe. A technocratic system might be less catastrophic, but I still don't trust the technocratic elites that we have at the moment. Even they are a little underqualified, based on what I've seen.
and the ALt right is NOT the real thing
you ignore the numersous people that don't talk; they act
the 'alt-right' is just the intellectual puppets
the mouth piece
Our current level of affluence, of food surplus, of... everything.... Exists because of free markets.
If you go to socialism quickly. You will quickly end up starving millions.
If you go towards socialism gradually, slowly, and carefully... you will gradually, slowly, and carefully... end up starving millions.
You cannot erode that which gave us our wealth, without also eroding our wealth.
exactly
For socialism to work, you'd have to manage an unprecedented level of complexity with uniquely talented leaders that can be trusted to not fuck shit up.
I don't currently believe that such conditions exist, at least for the nation-state scale, unless you're maybe Iceland. It's possible that socialism might work for a small, highly educated country, but not for any of the larger ones.
people make the argument of how many people capitalism killed
what they forget is the population BEFORE capitalism
2 billion in 1900
4 billlion 1985
โUniquely talented leadersโ
These people do not exist.
These people can not exist.
You are asking a man to be a god and rule you.
almost 8 billion in 2019
enabled by capitalism
@ManAnimal In terms of genuine Nationalists who have the interests of the actual people of that nation in their best interests yes they are.
I think you need to listen to more then. Most people who go on about "such and such being a shill" or whatever just don't know enough. None of the biggest figures who identify as Alt Right (Spencer, Mike Enoch, Eric Striker, etc) are faking their beliefs I can promise you that.
@Scale_e - I believe they can exist, but we haven't yet reached that level of quality in any education system. There are some private schools that come close, but even they have a ways to go.
I think you need to pay more attention to the peole that don't speak publically
they are hard working, blue collar, men's men
that don't speak until they have something to say
and would rather act than talk
There is no education system that can educate a man in a way that he could sufficiently replace the free market.
Again. Youโre asking for an omniscient leader. Itโs impossible.
yup
Also, I'm not asking men to be gods. I'm just asking for the state-appointed Walmart executives to be more competent than the ones we have now. I don't think that will ever happen under current sociopolitical conditions.
competence is irrelevant
and executioner can be competent
in fact competance usually leads to arrogance and abuse
It's very relevant, as is your guiding philosophy.
Capitalism has tons of externalities, which makes it theoretically weak because of cost-shifting problems.
Socialism is theoretically stronger, but in practice it has continually led to suboptimal results, especially famines.
Hey, Iโd like better leaders, in general, too.
Not because it would enable a socialist society, merely because better leaders, with our current society would be better.
it's a matter of values (beleiving theyt SHOULD do the right thing) vs penalties for not doing the right thing
Imagine a relevant nigger
the US system is good because of checks and balances
The idea that socialism is โstrongerโ is flawed. Socialism isnโt stronger. Itโs more *controllable*. Sure. You can gear an entire economy to one, authoritatively commanded purpose.
But that economy can never be as strong as a capitalist economy.
it is broken cause teh alphabet agencies tup that balance
@ManAnimal Who says I don't though and who says that some of these people (Especially Striker who worked in construction and Enoch who worked as a programmer, both very social and used to talk to their colleagues about some of the stuff they talk about now. Spencer less so because he is from a rich family) don't represent some feelings of these classes of people well?
Capitalism's inherent weakness is the externality to business operations - most businesses will have one or more costs that are not born by the business itself, but instead by third parties who did not ask to bear those costs. Socialism could theoretically operate in such a way that it includes externalities in all business calculations, thus maximizing social progress and economic growth.
But that's just theory. Practice matters.
In practice, capitalism continually outperforms socialism because socialist leaders are almost always corrupt and inefficient. They're often idiots too, and idiocy tends to kill more people than even the worst kinds of malice.
Because you are 1 ) a millenial or younger and 2) you are on here
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