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2019-07-11 23:00:52 UTC

im having problems now accessing websites from my XP laptop, i cant get a new browser for it

2019-07-11 23:00:54 UTC

Viability is irrelevent

2019-07-11 23:00:56 UTC

Your OS is NOT perfectly viable.

2019-07-11 23:00:57 UTC

They sometimes make a sort of warranty or promise "we'll support it at least X many years so you can feel safe about buying it"

2019-07-11 23:01:02 UTC

I'm on Windows 10, btw

2019-07-11 23:01:06 UTC

@Eccles support MS-DOS

2019-07-11 23:01:13 UTC

else you're a filthy corporatist

2019-07-11 23:01:15 UTC

Then shut the fuck up and install steam

2019-07-11 23:01:22 UTC

and yes i know my xp laptop is obsolete, that one is a special case as it runs eprom programmer software that doesnt work on anything newer

2019-07-11 23:01:25 UTC

Literally arguing nothing here

2019-07-11 23:01:26 UTC

Me being a boomer doesn't mean you're right when you're clearly not

2019-07-11 23:01:27 UTC

support Atari console

2019-07-11 23:01:35 UTC

support Playstation 1 for PC games made today

2019-07-11 23:01:42 UTC

else you're a greedy pig

2019-07-11 23:02:36 UTC

For someone bitching about strawmen earlier, you're certainly trotting plenty out, COolitic

2019-07-11 23:02:53 UTC

What am I not right about? If you’re arguing from the position that abandoning XP is planned obsolescence, then you’re retarded. If you’re arguing that steam licenses games, then you’re just wrong.

2019-07-11 23:03:01 UTC

There’s not a single thing you’re right about here.

2019-07-11 23:03:15 UTC

Abandoning XP wasn't the issue

2019-07-11 23:03:27 UTC

Then what is? Losing access to your games?

2019-07-11 23:03:35 UTC

Yes

2019-07-11 23:03:53 UTC

he's literally just salty that he doesnt know how to upkeep his games

2019-07-11 23:03:59 UTC

You didn’t lose access. If you wanted a refund, you can call support and they will pay you back. If you wanted to play them, they’re also attached to your steam account.

2019-07-11 23:04:05 UTC

that's literally all that's happening here

2019-07-11 23:04:11 UTC

he doesnt have a legitimate point to make

2019-07-11 23:04:50 UTC

Not to ride gayben’s cock or anything, but you’re fucking lucky it was steam. Any other platform and they’d have you buy the game again.

2019-07-11 23:04:50 UTC

They did only one thing wrong - they should have made those legacy products entirely offline, removed the DRM from them

2019-07-11 23:05:15 UTC

The moment you clicked install, that was the only RDM it needed

2019-07-11 23:05:21 UTC

DRM*

2019-07-11 23:05:45 UTC

And again as coolithic said, you can play offline

2019-07-11 23:05:47 UTC

I don't have an issue with Steam as it is, other than some retarded bugs

2019-07-11 23:05:59 UTC

you just said you hated steam

2019-07-11 23:06:01 UTC

Then what are we even arguing about?

2019-07-11 23:06:02 UTC

earlier

2019-07-11 23:06:19 UTC

I hate that they make out you're buying games when you're renting them

2019-07-11 23:06:27 UTC

the trouble is steam library functionality dies as soon as theres no working client, so you can never delete anything. thats not steams fault, you should back up your machine

2019-07-11 23:06:31 UTC

Read the fucking EULA.

2019-07-11 23:06:33 UTC

Please.

2019-07-11 23:06:36 UTC

I beg of you.

2019-07-11 23:06:41 UTC

Please read the EULA.

2019-07-11 23:06:59 UTC
2019-07-11 23:07:01 UTC

Shove the EULA up your distended anus, Gespa

2019-07-11 23:07:02 UTC

i summon thee

2019-07-11 23:07:08 UTC
2019-07-11 23:07:24 UTC

because i need to make this channel active

2019-07-11 23:07:32 UTC

we literally had a massive argument

2019-07-11 23:07:34 UTC

and i need to bully a communist

2019-07-11 23:07:36 UTC

how much more active does it need to get

2019-07-11 23:07:37 UTC

It is active. Fuck off.

2019-07-11 23:07:41 UTC

mainly that

2019-07-11 23:07:44 UTC

lol

2019-07-11 23:08:03 UTC

well im going to play a game now. at least this convo was more fun and less dumb than, for example, media matters articles on how tim pool is right wing

2019-07-11 23:08:11 UTC

@Eccles I mean, you purchase the games. And you own them.

2019-07-11 23:08:15 UTC

nothing touches leftivists for dumb takes.

2019-07-11 23:08:22 UTC

@Gespa by his logic

2019-07-11 23:08:26 UTC

if it isn't open-source

2019-07-11 23:08:28 UTC

it aint "owned"

2019-07-11 23:08:34 UTC

in my opinion

2019-07-11 23:08:42 UTC

Steam rarely if ever deletes user accounts, the only ones it does are those that are using them for criminal activity. That’s literally the only thing you can’t do on steam.

2019-07-11 23:08:46 UTC

you get the product

2019-07-11 23:08:49 UTC

and it can break

2019-07-11 23:09:09 UTC

Fuck even VAC bans don’t disable you from using the service, just stops you from playing on VAC protected servers

2019-07-11 23:09:12 UTC

it is even clearly defined *how* it can break

2019-07-11 23:09:46 UTC

But the thing is most games are steam ARE open source

2019-07-11 23:09:58 UTC

Literally nobody cares

2019-07-11 23:10:05 UTC

no they arent

2019-07-11 23:10:22 UTC

Well not open source but open

2019-07-11 23:10:25 UTC

My bad

2019-07-11 23:10:32 UTC

?

2019-07-11 23:10:39 UTC

DRM-free you mean?

2019-07-11 23:10:48 UTC

Nah, let me explain

2019-07-11 23:11:28 UTC

Because of how steam’s integrity validation works, most of the game files have to be open or otherwise easily accessible so they can be read by the server and then compared to the most recent (or in the case of betas, the cached) version so that it can be repaired or reinstalled

2019-07-11 23:11:42 UTC

uhhh

2019-07-11 23:11:43 UTC

no

2019-07-11 23:11:49 UTC

they just run a checksum

2019-07-11 23:11:50 UTC

That's not what open-source means

2019-07-11 23:11:57 UTC

Yes Eccles, I know

2019-07-11 23:12:02 UTC

Which is why I fucking corrected myself

2019-07-11 23:12:04 UTC

you can literally lock it into a few large pak files

2019-07-11 23:12:09 UTC

and have a single executable

2019-07-11 23:12:14 UTC

and the verification process still works

2019-07-11 23:12:24 UTC

because it's a checksum, that's it

2019-07-11 23:13:41 UTC

Fair enough

2019-07-11 23:14:06 UTC

I’ll take that, I got it wrong

2019-07-11 23:14:39 UTC

Doesn’t change the fact that Eccles is still an XP using boomer<:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

2019-07-11 23:14:44 UTC

Was

2019-07-11 23:15:10 UTC

im dreading windows 7 end of life

2019-07-11 23:15:15 UTC

It was the being forced to change that made me fall out with Steam because of the way they ended the support

2019-07-11 23:15:56 UTC

Ironically it was Microsoft -sensible- decision to allow the installation of WIndows 10 without a license key that saved me

2019-07-11 23:16:01 UTC

i dont think win10 will run on my main laptop, and win 10 is a dumpster fire anyway

2019-07-11 23:16:24 UTC

@system11 Windows 7 has already reached its manufacture end of life, but steam won’t abandon it for a while. A major stake of its user base still uses windows 7

2019-07-11 23:16:45 UTC

i mean the out of support for OS updates EOL, not sure when that is

2019-07-11 23:16:59 UTC

Can't be much longer, System11

2019-07-11 23:17:10 UTC

yeah im sure MS will force the issue soon

2019-07-11 23:17:11 UTC

It’s already happened

2019-07-11 23:17:33 UTC

I have an old laptop running W7, it's got the specs to run W10 but won't because W10 is buggy and there is no value for M$ in fixing it

2019-07-11 23:17:36 UTC

But both Microsoft and steam realize that many users still use it, so the plug isn’t pulled

2019-07-11 23:17:40 UTC

if it had already happened i wouldnt have pending security updates from microsoft

2019-07-11 23:18:01 UTC

It’s already happened. Probably just scheduled.

2019-07-11 23:18:30 UTC

my laptop is 9 years old so not sure if win10 will even work on it. it was top of the range at the time and i cant find -anything- available with a screen as good

2019-07-11 23:18:43 UTC

if it's got 2gb of ram, it should

2019-07-11 23:18:49 UTC

but chance are it won't because fuck M$

2019-07-11 23:18:53 UTC

Ah forgive me, I got my dates mixed up. It’s January 14th, 2020.

2019-07-11 23:19:12 UTC

its the nvidia display hardware id worry about

2019-07-11 23:19:26 UTC

you shouldn't, it's well supported

2019-07-11 23:19:26 UTC

no

2019-07-11 23:19:30 UTC

W10 works on everything

2019-07-11 23:19:35 UTC

the screen is a 17" matte 16:10. just try to find anything with that

2019-07-11 23:19:37 UTC

it'll be the bios that'll fuck you up if anything

2019-07-11 23:19:37 UTC

it definitely will

2019-07-11 23:19:43 UTC

the BIOS is unaffected

2019-07-11 23:19:46 UTC

you dolt

2019-07-11 23:19:53 UTC

hasn't it offered you a w10 upgrade via windows update?

2019-07-11 23:19:55 UTC

thats why i never replaced the laptop, ive replaced a few parts here and there

2019-07-11 23:20:18 UTC

W10 installer has issues with some legacy bioses, Coolitic, it's why it won't install on my old laptop

2019-07-11 23:20:25 UTC

it works on legacy BIOS

2019-07-11 23:20:28 UTC

Mate the BIOS is just the boot system of the motherboard. Has nothing to do with operating systems.

2019-07-11 23:20:30 UTC

you have to select the option

2019-07-11 23:20:34 UTC

Yes, it does, but not all of them

2019-07-11 23:20:41 UTC

there are ways to install it properly

2019-07-11 23:20:46 UTC

the bootloader is not an issue

2019-07-11 23:21:06 UTC

Well that's not Microsoft are telling me

2019-07-11 23:21:14 UTC

is there a bootable dvd win10 'tester'?

2019-07-11 23:21:19 UTC

uhh

2019-07-11 23:21:23 UTC

You can download the iso's from their website, System11

2019-07-11 23:21:24 UTC

I dont think they have a Live CD

2019-07-11 23:21:25 UTC

To my understanding Microsoft no longer offers direct upgrades for windows 10.

2019-07-11 23:21:42 UTC

Windows update on my laptop says otherwise, Gespa

2019-07-11 23:21:50 UTC

shame. i suppose the only way to test it would be to sling a spare hard drive in

2019-07-11 23:22:06 UTC

You’ll notice I said “to my understanding”, Eccles.

2019-07-11 23:22:14 UTC

Could resize your partition and install on that, System11

2019-07-11 23:22:20 UTC

Bit of a risk attached

2019-07-11 23:23:01 UTC

yeah id rather not break it, i have one of the old drives. its a raid supporting system and i replaced the twins when one died and put a single SSD in

2019-07-11 23:23:20 UTC

Sounds like you have a plan then

2019-07-11 23:23:36 UTC

Good luck with whatever you decide to do

2019-07-11 23:24:15 UTC

I quit trying to upgrade my laptop because it wasn't sufficiently important, and microsoft "professionals" were just being shit

2019-07-11 23:25:05 UTC

if it cant take win 10 ill have to find linux alternatives for a few things and do that

2019-07-11 23:25:22 UTC

I tried Linux for a year - it's shit

2019-07-11 23:25:27 UTC

Shouldn’t be hard. There’s plenty of resources online

2019-07-11 23:25:37 UTC

Ehh not shit. Just different.

2019-07-11 23:25:47 UTC

Also really depends on the distro you want to go with.

2019-07-11 23:26:17 UTC

Tried a few different ones, but mostly they suffered from the thing linux has suffered since i first tried it 20 years ago - poor hardware support

2019-07-11 23:26:38 UTC

That and Steam linux support... just isn't there yet

2019-07-11 23:26:54 UTC

Better than it was the last time i tried it, but still not there yet

2019-07-11 23:26:55 UTC

ive been using linux so long i made my own distro back in the slackware days. i dont use it because i have to use speech recognition software and it behaves better on windows

2019-07-11 23:26:59 UTC

To be fair, most computer users aren’t running Linux.

2019-07-11 23:27:16 UTC

dont use it at home*

2019-07-11 23:27:45 UTC

that and the unholy hell which is current desktop offerings. what a damn mess

2019-07-11 23:28:08 UTC

one of those times 'everyone doing their own thing' just hurts the platform

2019-07-11 23:30:52 UTC

I found it frustrating as the last thing I wanted to do after a day at work is come home and have to fuck around trying to build drivers and edit config files

2019-07-11 23:31:19 UTC

THat's very much a thing for teenagers and bright eyed young idealists like Coolitic

2019-07-11 23:34:07 UTC

not really, my girlfriend is computer illiterate, i built her a desktop machine, she just uses firefox and some awful flash games

2019-07-11 23:34:18 UTC

it just works

2019-07-11 23:34:52 UTC

everyone doing their own thing hurting the platform, you say?

2019-07-11 23:35:10 UTC

yes, that can be a thing

2019-07-11 23:35:35 UTC

kinda like everyone making their own gaming launcher to make their titles exclusive and unnecessarily difficult to obtain and manage, all the while running continuously in the background to mine data?

2019-07-11 23:36:16 UTC

golly gee if only there was some platform that took a relatively hands-off approach as a game vendor and aggregate

2019-07-11 23:37:05 UTC

thats the worst analogy ive seen this week

2019-07-11 23:37:22 UTC

But it applies all the same.

2019-07-11 23:37:34 UTC

you're likening applications to frameworks that support applications

2019-07-11 23:37:57 UTC

You say that as if it can't be applicable.

2019-07-11 23:38:12 UTC

it isn't even in the same ballpark.

2019-07-11 23:38:17 UTC

But it is

2019-07-11 23:39:48 UTC

no it isnt, you dont need game 'launchers' at all, you just require a way to download the installer. now if someone decided to write their own html version and you needed a special vendor specific browser to download it, then you'd have an analogy to work with. that isnt what i suggested or anyone would do though in the case of steam

2019-07-11 23:40:41 UTC

and its a million miles away from basic shit like "oh, my entire windowing toolkit doesn't work"

2019-07-11 23:41:05 UTC

Sure you don't *need* them, but in this current age of PC gaming, they are necessary to actually play said games.

2019-07-11 23:41:21 UTC

Often times you can't play games without some form of DRM, which is bundled in that launcher.

2019-07-11 23:41:36 UTC

I'm not talking about the ideal.

2019-07-11 23:41:40 UTC

I mean realistically.

2019-07-11 23:42:02 UTC

Steam is like a water or electric company. Having 5 or 6 different water companies in a moderately sized town will only serve to confuse and agitate the average consumer. They sell a product, a commodity, in this case water. The only thing they do different is the methods and the chemicals used to treat the water. Online vendors sell games to play. They might have different methods of achieve that goal but at the end of the day, a copy of For Honor sold on steam, is just as playable as a copy sold from Ubisoft or EA or whoever the fuck sells it.

2019-07-11 23:42:17 UTC

only ones you bought via that proprietry delivery system. you can still buy games on dvd. you can still buy software from the makers on shop sites, etc. is steam your entire gaming life or something? its the only way you could come up with such a myopic analogy

2019-07-11 23:42:44 UTC

definitely strayed into 'lol whatever', ill get back to my game

2019-07-11 23:42:59 UTC

It's not my entire life, no.

2019-07-11 23:43:16 UTC

But it certainly is the most dominant presence in my gaming career.

2019-07-11 23:45:42 UTC

And frankly as much as I hate a single company having a monopoly on the market like they do, it's kind of necessary to be feasible. Lest you have to go through the hassle of swimming through bookmarks to get updated versions of games or some other method to get updated, especially if those games don't include a launcher in the install (a game launcher, not the storefront). All I'm saying is that steam brings convenience to the table, and just like Eccles doesnt want to fuck with Linux all night long, I don't want to have to spend all night manually installing updates for the games I want to play every time Christmas comes around.

2019-07-11 23:47:39 UTC

Only beef I had with Steam was their EOL methodology. As a time-poor boomer and sperg, it should be obvious to understand why. It's a shame you and Coolitic were so antagonistic

2019-07-11 23:47:59 UTC

But I still use Steam, and am reasonably content with it

2019-07-11 23:48:00 UTC

Yeah forgive me for that.

2019-07-11 23:48:11 UTC

I sometimes fly off the rails. It isn't healthy for me

2019-07-11 23:48:11 UTC

I'm sorry for shoving a EULA up your anus

2019-07-11 23:48:21 UTC

Unless you enjoy that kind of thing

2019-07-11 23:48:30 UTC

I give, friend. Never receive.

2019-07-12 00:20:08 UTC

<:hyperthink:462282519883284480>

2019-07-12 01:38:03 UTC

Ok wow lol
I don't give a single fuck about the JQ but this is hilarious

2019-07-12 03:26:52 UTC

@Miniature Menace ~~they made it so Clinton's also mentioned as going on the jet~~

2019-07-12 03:27:38 UTC

If the allegations of him using his plane so Bill Clinton could diddle some kids, Christ Tucker is more than likely FUCKED (due to also going on Epstein's plane)

2019-07-12 03:29:25 UTC

okay nvm, it seems the "26 trips" stuff has been up for >20 hours

2019-07-12 04:22:30 UTC
2019-07-12 04:22:50 UTC

lets see what most of us qualify as

2019-07-12 04:23:03 UTC

> Progressive nationalism
Oh that's gonna make the compass test implode

2019-07-12 04:30:23 UTC

Nationalist right-wing progressive, you're a special snowflake

2019-07-12 04:40:54 UTC

Apparently I hate constructivism and progressism. Lots of centrist white area since I wasn't sure about some of the economy-focused questions.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/598762957257703438/599097827720953866/politiscales_7_11_19.PNG

2019-07-12 04:44:24 UTC

https://archive.fo/mh2Hp
>Productivist Free-Market Capitalism

2019-07-12 04:45:42 UTC

why cant I hold all these essentialists

2019-07-12 04:46:44 UTC

So we've got a nationalist laissez faire capitalist progressive
A nationalist conservative
A complete free market capitalist

2019-07-12 04:46:53 UTC

Complete?

2019-07-12 04:46:58 UTC

i mean

2019-07-12 04:47:00 UTC

*BRUH*

2019-07-12 04:47:01 UTC

95%

2019-07-12 04:47:19 UTC

I should probably do a new test, that one was from like 3 months ago IIRC

2019-07-12 04:47:35 UTC

yeah its funny because the political compass is shit

2019-07-12 04:48:09 UTC

I'm a nationalist libertarian progressive capitalist
it just puts me in the middle

2019-07-12 04:48:35 UTC

ENLIGHTENED LIBERTARIAN NATIONALISM

2019-07-12 04:49:46 UTC

I got FATHERLAND WORK LIBERTY.

2019-07-12 04:49:52 UTC

Some strange combinations.

2019-07-12 04:56:35 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/598762957257703438/599101776301391882/82AgzcWBShAAQr8bwIMQHhfUIACFKAABShAAQpQgAJjJsAAZMyoUIUoAAFKEABClCAAhSgAAMQ3gMUoAAFKEABClCAAhSgwJgJMA.png

2019-07-12 04:56:58 UTC

wow we're such a bunch of far right bigots arent we

2019-07-12 04:57:45 UTC

what the fuck does that even mean

2019-07-12 04:57:47 UTC

far right

2019-07-12 04:57:59 UTC

what the fuck is right wing

2019-07-12 04:58:03 UTC

is right wing small government

2019-07-12 04:58:06 UTC

thats libertarianism

2019-07-12 04:58:16 UTC

that means communism is extreme right because there is no government

2019-07-12 04:58:39 UTC

done.

2019-07-12 04:59:14 UTC

I'm a Centrist Nationalist Environmentalist Capitalist.

2019-07-12 04:59:23 UTC

enlightened Centronationalism

2019-07-12 04:59:26 UTC

YES

2019-07-12 04:59:29 UTC

Unironically

2019-07-12 04:59:51 UTC

You are not capitalist enough,

2019-07-12 04:59:51 UTC

actually nvm

2019-07-12 04:59:55 UTC

I mean I have unironic libertarian nationalism

2019-07-12 04:59:56 UTC

not Environmentalist'

2019-07-12 04:59:56 UTC

so that's

2019-07-12 04:59:57 UTC

also funny

2019-07-12 05:00:03 UTC

"Essentialist"

2019-07-12 05:00:10 UTC

whatever that is

2019-07-12 05:00:18 UTC

it means you think gender is a biological construct.

2019-07-12 05:00:55 UTC

I also have essentialist

2019-07-12 05:01:03 UTC

Ah yes, a fellow Essentialist.

2019-07-12 05:01:14 UTC

Come, let us circlejerk about how correct our essentialism is

2019-07-12 05:01:36 UTC

That aside

2019-07-12 05:01:56 UTC

lots of pragmatism

2019-07-12 05:02:07 UTC

For real what the fuck does left wing mean

2019-07-12 05:02:18 UTC

it just looks like a synonym for authoritarian

2019-07-12 05:02:23 UTC

Not necessarily.

2019-07-12 05:02:31 UTC

Left-Wing originally was Anti-Monarchism

2019-07-12 05:02:34 UTC

IIRC

2019-07-12 05:02:39 UTC

I have come to the conclusion that Left-Right wing is outdated.

2019-07-12 05:02:43 UTC

^

2019-07-12 05:02:44 UTC

this a thousand times

2019-07-12 05:02:49 UTC

Left vs Right originated as literally

2019-07-12 05:02:50 UTC

this, so much this

2019-07-12 05:02:54 UTC

Liberal vs Conservatism

2019-07-12 05:03:04 UTC

"We want change" vs "We want the same"

2019-07-12 05:03:06 UTC

Two gay groups sitting on separate sides of Parliament IIRC

2019-07-12 05:03:09 UTC

yes

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