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im having problems now accessing websites from my XP laptop, i cant get a new browser for it
Viability is irrelevent
Your OS is NOT perfectly viable.
They sometimes make a sort of warranty or promise "we'll support it at least X many years so you can feel safe about buying it"
I'm on Windows 10, btw
else you're a filthy corporatist
Then shut the fuck up and install steam
and yes i know my xp laptop is obsolete, that one is a special case as it runs eprom programmer software that doesnt work on anything newer
Literally arguing nothing here
Me being a boomer doesn't mean you're right when you're clearly not
support Atari console
support Playstation 1 for PC games made today
else you're a greedy pig
For someone bitching about strawmen earlier, you're certainly trotting plenty out, COolitic
What am I not right about? If you’re arguing from the position that abandoning XP is planned obsolescence, then you’re retarded. If you’re arguing that steam licenses games, then you’re just wrong.
There’s not a single thing you’re right about here.
Abandoning XP wasn't the issue
Then what is? Losing access to your games?
Yes
he's literally just salty that he doesnt know how to upkeep his games
You didn’t lose access. If you wanted a refund, you can call support and they will pay you back. If you wanted to play them, they’re also attached to your steam account.
that's literally all that's happening here
he doesnt have a legitimate point to make
Not to ride gayben’s cock or anything, but you’re fucking lucky it was steam. Any other platform and they’d have you buy the game again.
They did only one thing wrong - they should have made those legacy products entirely offline, removed the DRM from them
The moment you clicked install, that was the only RDM it needed
DRM*
And again as coolithic said, you can play offline
I don't have an issue with Steam as it is, other than some retarded bugs
you just said you hated steam
Then what are we even arguing about?
earlier
I hate that they make out you're buying games when you're renting them
the trouble is steam library functionality dies as soon as theres no working client, so you can never delete anything. thats not steams fault, you should back up your machine
Read the fucking EULA.
Please.
I beg of you.
Please read the EULA.
Shove the EULA up your distended anus, Gespa
i summon thee
because i need to make this channel active
we literally had a massive argument
and i need to bully a communist
how much more active does it need to get
It is active. Fuck off.
mainly that
lol
well im going to play a game now. at least this convo was more fun and less dumb than, for example, media matters articles on how tim pool is right wing
nothing touches leftivists for dumb takes.
if it isn't open-source
it aint "owned"
in my opinion
Steam rarely if ever deletes user accounts, the only ones it does are those that are using them for criminal activity. That’s literally the only thing you can’t do on steam.
you get the product
and it can break
Fuck even VAC bans don’t disable you from using the service, just stops you from playing on VAC protected servers
it is even clearly defined *how* it can break
But the thing is most games are steam ARE open source
Literally nobody cares
no they arent
Well not open source but open
My bad
?
DRM-free you mean?
Nah, let me explain
Because of how steam’s integrity validation works, most of the game files have to be open or otherwise easily accessible so they can be read by the server and then compared to the most recent (or in the case of betas, the cached) version so that it can be repaired or reinstalled
uhhh
no
they just run a checksum
That's not what open-source means
Yes Eccles, I know
Which is why I fucking corrected myself
you can literally lock it into a few large pak files
and have a single executable
and the verification process still works
because it's a checksum, that's it
Fair enough
I’ll take that, I got it wrong
Doesn’t change the fact that Eccles is still an XP using boomer<:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>
Was
im dreading windows 7 end of life
It was the being forced to change that made me fall out with Steam because of the way they ended the support
Ironically it was Microsoft -sensible- decision to allow the installation of WIndows 10 without a license key that saved me
i dont think win10 will run on my main laptop, and win 10 is a dumpster fire anyway
@system11 Windows 7 has already reached its manufacture end of life, but steam won’t abandon it for a while. A major stake of its user base still uses windows 7
i mean the out of support for OS updates EOL, not sure when that is
Can't be much longer, System11
yeah im sure MS will force the issue soon
It’s already happened
I have an old laptop running W7, it's got the specs to run W10 but won't because W10 is buggy and there is no value for M$ in fixing it
But both Microsoft and steam realize that many users still use it, so the plug isn’t pulled
if it had already happened i wouldnt have pending security updates from microsoft
It’s already happened. Probably just scheduled.
my laptop is 9 years old so not sure if win10 will even work on it. it was top of the range at the time and i cant find -anything- available with a screen as good
if it's got 2gb of ram, it should
but chance are it won't because fuck M$
Ah forgive me, I got my dates mixed up. It’s January 14th, 2020.
its the nvidia display hardware id worry about
you shouldn't, it's well supported
no
W10 works on everything
the screen is a 17" matte 16:10. just try to find anything with that
it'll be the bios that'll fuck you up if anything
it definitely will
the BIOS is unaffected
you dolt
hasn't it offered you a w10 upgrade via windows update?
thats why i never replaced the laptop, ive replaced a few parts here and there
W10 installer has issues with some legacy bioses, Coolitic, it's why it won't install on my old laptop
it works on legacy BIOS
Mate the BIOS is just the boot system of the motherboard. Has nothing to do with operating systems.
you have to select the option
Yes, it does, but not all of them
there are ways to install it properly
the bootloader is not an issue
Well that's not Microsoft are telling me
is there a bootable dvd win10 'tester'?
uhh
You can download the iso's from their website, System11
I dont think they have a Live CD
To my understanding Microsoft no longer offers direct upgrades for windows 10.
Windows update on my laptop says otherwise, Gespa
shame. i suppose the only way to test it would be to sling a spare hard drive in
You’ll notice I said “to my understanding”, Eccles.
Could resize your partition and install on that, System11
Bit of a risk attached
yeah id rather not break it, i have one of the old drives. its a raid supporting system and i replaced the twins when one died and put a single SSD in
Sounds like you have a plan then
Good luck with whatever you decide to do
I quit trying to upgrade my laptop because it wasn't sufficiently important, and microsoft "professionals" were just being shit
if it cant take win 10 ill have to find linux alternatives for a few things and do that
I tried Linux for a year - it's shit
Shouldn’t be hard. There’s plenty of resources online
Ehh not shit. Just different.
Also really depends on the distro you want to go with.
Tried a few different ones, but mostly they suffered from the thing linux has suffered since i first tried it 20 years ago - poor hardware support
That and Steam linux support... just isn't there yet
Better than it was the last time i tried it, but still not there yet
ive been using linux so long i made my own distro back in the slackware days. i dont use it because i have to use speech recognition software and it behaves better on windows
To be fair, most computer users aren’t running Linux.
dont use it at home*
that and the unholy hell which is current desktop offerings. what a damn mess
one of those times 'everyone doing their own thing' just hurts the platform
I found it frustrating as the last thing I wanted to do after a day at work is come home and have to fuck around trying to build drivers and edit config files
THat's very much a thing for teenagers and bright eyed young idealists like Coolitic
not really, my girlfriend is computer illiterate, i built her a desktop machine, she just uses firefox and some awful flash games
it just works
everyone doing their own thing hurting the platform, you say?
yes, that can be a thing
kinda like everyone making their own gaming launcher to make their titles exclusive and unnecessarily difficult to obtain and manage, all the while running continuously in the background to mine data?
golly gee if only there was some platform that took a relatively hands-off approach as a game vendor and aggregate
thats the worst analogy ive seen this week
But it applies all the same.
you're likening applications to frameworks that support applications
You say that as if it can't be applicable.
it isn't even in the same ballpark.
But it is
no it isnt, you dont need game 'launchers' at all, you just require a way to download the installer. now if someone decided to write their own html version and you needed a special vendor specific browser to download it, then you'd have an analogy to work with. that isnt what i suggested or anyone would do though in the case of steam
and its a million miles away from basic shit like "oh, my entire windowing toolkit doesn't work"
Sure you don't *need* them, but in this current age of PC gaming, they are necessary to actually play said games.
Often times you can't play games without some form of DRM, which is bundled in that launcher.
I'm not talking about the ideal.
I mean realistically.
Steam is like a water or electric company. Having 5 or 6 different water companies in a moderately sized town will only serve to confuse and agitate the average consumer. They sell a product, a commodity, in this case water. The only thing they do different is the methods and the chemicals used to treat the water. Online vendors sell games to play. They might have different methods of achieve that goal but at the end of the day, a copy of For Honor sold on steam, is just as playable as a copy sold from Ubisoft or EA or whoever the fuck sells it.
only ones you bought via that proprietry delivery system. you can still buy games on dvd. you can still buy software from the makers on shop sites, etc. is steam your entire gaming life or something? its the only way you could come up with such a myopic analogy
definitely strayed into 'lol whatever', ill get back to my game
It's not my entire life, no.
But it certainly is the most dominant presence in my gaming career.
And frankly as much as I hate a single company having a monopoly on the market like they do, it's kind of necessary to be feasible. Lest you have to go through the hassle of swimming through bookmarks to get updated versions of games or some other method to get updated, especially if those games don't include a launcher in the install (a game launcher, not the storefront). All I'm saying is that steam brings convenience to the table, and just like Eccles doesnt want to fuck with Linux all night long, I don't want to have to spend all night manually installing updates for the games I want to play every time Christmas comes around.
Only beef I had with Steam was their EOL methodology. As a time-poor boomer and sperg, it should be obvious to understand why. It's a shame you and Coolitic were so antagonistic
But I still use Steam, and am reasonably content with it
Yeah forgive me for that.
I sometimes fly off the rails. It isn't healthy for me
I'm sorry for shoving a EULA up your anus
Unless you enjoy that kind of thing
I give, friend. Never receive.
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Ok wow lol
I don't give a single fuck about the JQ but this is hilarious
@Miniature Menace ~~they made it so Clinton's also mentioned as going on the jet~~
If the allegations of him using his plane so Bill Clinton could diddle some kids, Christ Tucker is more than likely FUCKED (due to also going on Epstein's plane)
okay nvm, it seems the "26 trips" stuff has been up for >20 hours
https://www.politiscales.net/
post em fuckbois
lets see what most of us qualify as
> Progressive nationalism
Oh that's gonna make the compass test implode
Nationalist right-wing progressive, you're a special snowflake
Apparently I hate constructivism and progressism. Lots of centrist white area since I wasn't sure about some of the economy-focused questions.
https://archive.fo/mh2Hp
>Productivist Free-Market Capitalism
why cant I hold all these essentialists
So we've got a nationalist laissez faire capitalist progressive
A nationalist conservative
A complete free market capitalist
Complete?
i mean
*BRUH*
95%
I should probably do a new test, that one was from like 3 months ago IIRC
yeah its funny because the political compass is shit
I'm a nationalist libertarian progressive capitalist
it just puts me in the middle
ENLIGHTENED LIBERTARIAN NATIONALISM
I got FATHERLAND WORK LIBERTY.
Some strange combinations.
wow we're such a bunch of far right bigots arent we
what the fuck does that even mean
far right
what the fuck is right wing
is right wing small government
thats libertarianism
that means communism is extreme right because there is no government
done.
I'm a Centrist Nationalist Environmentalist Capitalist.
enlightened Centronationalism
YES
Unironically
You are not capitalist enough,
actually nvm
I mean I have unironic libertarian nationalism
not Environmentalist'
so that's
also funny
"Essentialist"
whatever that is
it means you think gender is a biological construct.
I also have essentialist
Ah yes, a fellow Essentialist.
Come, let us circlejerk about how correct our essentialism is
That aside
lots of pragmatism
For real what the fuck does left wing mean
it just looks like a synonym for authoritarian
Not necessarily.
Left-Wing originally was Anti-Monarchism
IIRC
I have come to the conclusion that Left-Right wing is outdated.
^
this a thousand times
Left vs Right originated as literally
this, so much this
Liberal vs Conservatism
"We want change" vs "We want the same"
Two gay groups sitting on separate sides of Parliament IIRC
yes
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