alright, you know what this would be comparable to?

the government dont at this time truly care about the housing problem

the *best case* scenario is like if Steam went offline and the Epic Games Store was to replace it

The south rn things are awesome make fun of us all you want we have affordable housing if you dont have a stuck up pompous posh way of living

look at how much money that Epic has, which startups definitely wont

and look how shit their store is

you could kill steam no problem without too much trouble

That being said, the problem with housing in the UK is mainly a problem of mass immigration and retarded government policy which saw rich people usurp the housing market at taxpayer expense

no you cant

GoG is the closest thing that can

and it def cant

yes you can - you can absolutely blow that fucker away

impossible

web shops allowing downloads are not a new or complex thing

not *anywhere* in the near future

it's too ingrained into PC gamer culture

and it's too good of a service

Steam? It's garbage

lol

theyd get over it, the majority of gamers wouldnt even notice

It's a game rental service

you better not have the argument "but muh DRM tho"

because that is so easy to shoot down

I can guarantee that w/o Steam, PC gaming wouldnt even be half of what it is today

it wouldnt be the end of the world by any means

w/o steam, an alternative would have come along

much worse so for indie games

smh

I agree with cool. If you think the PC gaming market will survive without steam, you’re dead wrong.

I dont care if you personally dont like Steam

Anyways. Idk about the UK but it isnt that bad in the US.

you could very easily just use an alternative electronic software purchasing platform - in fact some game creators do anyway

the reality is that it has a strong hold on the PC gamer market

But if all that is true that's messed up @Eccles

It's fucking awful in the UK, Joey

and most people like it

I have respect for what GoG does

I dont doubt it dude

but it aint my cup of tea

The rental prices are similar in the UK for smaller houses, but on roughly half the salary

If steam were to just suddenly die, we’d be in a PC dark age.

90% of PC gaming would stop

oh wait

nvm

There will never be another platform that has the amount of weight it does

sorry

forgot about MC

and FN

lol

no it wouldnt, thats ridiculous.

Why are your wages going down then? Or your salary what's wrong?

so 88%

yes it would

dude

immediately all the big publishers would just stick up shop fronts and downloads

Wages have been static for 10 years while house prices have not been

are you forgetting everything that isn't a big publisher?

and also

indies would switch to the many, many alternatives

What made the housing prices go up?

are you forgetting that no1 is actively going to see the games advertised on 10 different services?

Was it the migrants?

Steam is a one-stop shop

The PC gaming market, in the event of sudden death of Steam, would fragment, but would recover

you go on Steam

alright

clearly you are divorced from reality

steam just isnt that big of a deal, its just a convenience, and pc gaming is a minority anyway

and are pushing personal issues

A few things, Joey

Do you honestly think the average consumer is going to go through the hassle of downloading 10’s if not hundreds of new storefront launchers that would ensue following the collapse of steam? No the hell they won’t.

to *you* yes

not to 90% of PC gamers

indie games would literally *not exist* without Steam

and even games by publishers are crazy boosted by it

Or quit playing games n get a job raise a family

I have a job

They'll fix themselves by the time u return

When the interest rates went to almost zero, housing became an investment class that attracted a shit ton of money - added to which the government pays 'housing benefit' a welfare which covers rent, and thus you created an investment class whose profit came at the expense of the tax payer

you dont need a storefront launcher - lets take an example. i can go to sony and they have whats called a "web site", and i can buy vegas which is a big chunk of data, and it "downloads" and i can install it.

and I'm young enough to not be expected of a family

Halo would never be on PC without steam. No one uses the Microsoft store to purchase and download games.

Coolitic how old are u

@system11 you dont understand the concept of advertising

20

Combine that with the fact we're an island with limited scope for expansion, and mass immigration, and you have a recipe for house prices rising faster than wages for prolonged periods

Raise a family

lol

Go out there get s good girl n raise a family

divorced from reality ladies and gents

the value of steam is not the purchasing, its the marketplace, the shop window

yes

and other platform features

I personally hate steam because it doesn't sell games

but mostly the advertising and marketplace

Yet pretends it does

no1 cares

about your DRM bullshit

literally no1

If you do so now and treat your body right you'll live long enough to see your great grandchildren by the time you're 80

facts for that?

no1 uses GoG

@JoeyJoestar1337 stop wasting time on discord

and get a family

the drm is a somewhat valid point - i depends how its done. calling home regularly is bullshit. license keys and an install time check are fine with me

Yes, and there is tremendous value in a platform that has all your major games, a method to make and talk to friends, and updates said games automatically. There is no other platform that can do this as good as steam can. Steam is like the fucking google of gaming. If you want it, 9/10 it’s there.

I got time to burn retard

U dont

lol

imagine not going for internships

early

what a fag

lazy

If a platform has the means and right to arbitrarily deprive you of your ability to install and play a game your bought, then it's fundamentally flawed

@system11 Steam just requires 1-time validation

It's really nothing to do with DRM

and that happens when u download the game

Agreed @Eccles

you can use Steam offline

for any time you want

Coolitic said "yeah I have a job at minimum wage while I spend all my money on PC parts"

"all"

no I save

because I've had multiple jobs now

Do u invest?

no, I save

There are even ways to remove account validation from steam games. It’s different for every game obviously, but it IS possible.

All steam need to do is change their "backup" option to include a standalone installer

???

why

Take at least 10% of your savings and put it away for investment

no

Fuck off Joey no one cares

Your choice but the stock market is there for a reason

@Eccles you arent backing that up with a reason

the pc market is smaller than consoles, and both are dawrfed by mobile - that's why im fairly chilled out about someone deleting steam. people would find solutions, at the end of the day it you could easily build a web site publishers and indies could simply list titles with screenshots and shop links

you connect to the internet either way

Why the fuck does it need a reason?

and Steam isn't a big client

lol

@system11 congrats, you just made steam 2.

Steam is a small client

doesn't do anything in the background except auto-update

Doesn't matter how big the client is - the fact is it is a client at all, and they can arbitrarily block your access to it

and needs you to connect only once to use your games

they cannot

you can use it offline

right, so you agree it's easily replaceable? 😉

I don’t agree that it’s replaceable, I’m saying that you basically just created the same monster you hope to defeat

nor have they ever made any attempt to ever

They have

not once

ever

steam also doesnt feature really high in the sources of evil anyway

Yes

They did it to me last year

citation needed

for?

They ended support for XP

and?

use old client

...

play offline

Wouldn't connect

play offline

Couldn't reinstall

Upgrade your fucking OS, you sperg.

your fault for not backing up

retard

without Steam

you'd have to back it up anyways

You need the client to restore from the backup you daft sod

they don't support the commodore 64 either. fuck steam.

no

you retard

Jesus you're a boomer

must be in IT

But for real though, you can’t blame the company for abandoning a deprecated OS that the OS developers themselves abandoned years prior. If you don’t upgrade, that’s on you.

I can back up my games just fine

and have done it

multiple times

The model is the problem, Gespa

and they start up perfectly

you just dont know how to use a computer

rolling incompatability is a feature of PC gaming, you just have to accept it

for new games

old games work fine

It's why I don't buy new games

That and they're shit

lol

definite boomer

And I don't have time

wut

time is reasonable

i probably own/play more retro games than the entire discord server put together, and even i wouldnt go as far as 'new games r shit'

The DRM should be done via webservice

Eccles, literally every company on the internet abandoned operating systems at some point. There is no sense in keeping a system up to date if the chances are it won’t be able to support it in the future. They probably abandoned your OS because the architecture used to create it is so old, that their next updates would probably destroy your computer. That isn’t their fault. It’s yours.

the DRM is one-time activation

you literally have to download the game anyways

You're missing the point, Gespa

I...

I cant

too much autism

too bored

It's deliberate building in of deprecation

that's not actually true

It’s literally not.

That's why I argued at the outset you're renting the game, not buying it

at some point youre forced to leave old systems behind

Of course you are

But on games on CD/DVD or older, provided you have the hardware you can always use them

try to buy a SHA1 SSL certificate so you can support clients that don't support SHA256. just see who will sell you one

And what's more important, is given the direction of travel, you will find people being banned on Steam for poltiical views or in-game behaviour

that’s also not true. Steam states in their EULA SPECIFICALLY that you are PURCHASING digital copies of the titles you buy. You have executive rights with whatever you do to them, which is why you have clear access to steam/steam apps/common and it’s not all hidden in a secret folder where you can’t touch it.

Or whatever the platform is at the time (Stadia etc)

steam are definitely not immune to political posturing - remember 'Hatred'?

Also, it’s not planned obsolescence. Your OS is deprecated. It is dead. It will die soon as all programs update around it. Either by abandoning support, or the programs simply becoming too advanced for your machine to handle. That is not the fault of the companies for advancing their programs as the technology advanced. That’s on you.

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It's planned obsolenscence

And you’re retarded.

I’ve said all I’ve needed to. You clearly don’t understand what you’re talking about.

@system11 you mean when it was brought back

and Gaben apologized?

reputation seems clean to me

Gespa - if you decide you are going to stop supporting an operating system, then that is planned obsolenscence

That's what the term means

We will stop support x at time y

that's

not

planned

The reasons are entirely reasonable

that's just obsolesence

you idiot

ah i didnt realise theyd reinstated it

jesus

you are so dumb

Of course it's fucking planned

it was rubbish btw

*facepalm*

XP is a shit OS

No, planned obsolescence is when you decide from the start when to cut it off strategically so you can force your customers to buy things on your own schedule.

that requires you to bend over backwards to support as a developer

Look at Microsoft's website, they state at the outset when they are supporting software until

ITS NOT PLANNED BY THE DEVELOPERS

Planned obsolescence is like what Apple does

BECAUSE IT'S A BITCH TO KEEP SUPPORTED

AND ONLY IDIOTS USE IT ANYWAYS

Yes, Coolitic, the reasons for doing it are understandable

LIKE U

No, Eccles, that isn’t what it means. Planned obsolescence is the deliberate action of abandoning perfectly viable firmware for the purpose of forcing users to upgrade their system. Your OS is decades old. Over a decade.