this pattern is repeating itself again isnt it, we're seeing the fight between extremism again and the moderates getting gutted

political pendulum theory ^

look at Russia - their new "elites" are basically criminals and apparatchiks of the "pragmatic" faction (so basically the ill-educated, low cunning faction of the party). It's a mess

Fascist and Commie vs Isolationists and Traditionalists
cant we find the fucking middle ground and go home

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM well, they are the gangsters from the 90'ies. Literally, unironically

@Uksio ye

i like tradition but dont want to be stuck in antiquated thinking

I know

Suki w zakonie

not even the underground culture fucking survived

not to mention high culture

lamo

balance between conservativism and progressivism is the best you could possibly get

The gangsters with "honor" are either dead or left the country...

Hey buds let me out

only the worst element is left

The issue with ex-gangster politicians is that they create so called "punder economy"
First they get the plunder (=bribes) then they allow the business to try and get a profit

in both the political "elite" and the financial one

it is a backwards economy

Backwards in a financial sense

a social meritocratic ideal
where everyone gets helped to have the same opportunities but only through merit will you rise above others
that's not to "technocratic" is it? @Tonight at 11 - DOOM

Has anyone watched cowboy bebop?

<@&462258424323899397> let me out

Back in VC

?

dont tag the Hoplites dude

Voice chat is for niggers

Why would you want to go in there?

Voice chat is for niggers

oh fuck

To hear ear rape, ofc

You know what @J🥕 I will let you out

permanently

@SideTracker What u said is basically called solidarity.

lol

Kek.

no real defined system

Be careful what you wish for

well solidarity imo is only the social part

>Less active people in the server now

MAYBE some sort of German Christian democracy

I wonder why it could be dying

<:thonking:353271399013416962>

but society needs to re-invigorate the meritocratic ideal

yoote

that you need to work it to earn it

meritocracy is pointless without checks and balances

meritocracy is the best cure for communism and corruption imo

psychopaths will abuse the shit out of merictocracy without constraints

meritocracy is a goal, not a system

psychopaths cannot work in a meritocracy

Meritocracy is its own balance, if you dont deserve it you dont get it, it's not a system, its an ideal

They can exploit a system with ease

Psychopaths getting ontop of a hirearchy is through Nepotism

and Nepotism is another system

nepotism isa part of the human condition

also: ur wrong

however Meritocracy has another problem, Meritocracy will lead to a Technocracy, which will leave you stagnant.

they can also climb through manipulation and lying

Has anyone watched cowboy bebop?

and the cure is Meritocracy, Commies cant function in a Meritocracy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433288202665852928/615183584797524046/image0.jpg

Its better than I thought

Nepotism is just an extended family
Known by another name as "ma fia"
(ma = my; fia = family)

https://twitter.com/pcgamer/status/1165683991686582272

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM not really, if you lie in a Meritocracy and you're find you, you're cast to the bottom

exactly

tHeRe ArE No StEaM StaNs

@RogueGod Learn to lie well, lol

Again

the problem is as I've stated, it starts a Technocracy

If you read what happene

Meritocracy is not a system, its a belief/ideal you follow

Shut up, whore

Valve made an understandable mistake

but not the system itself

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433288202665852928/615191381278851086/image0.jpg

It was with regards to malware already installed on a system not being considered within their scope

@Telly_G 『⚡130』PC |

One of my childhood friends is a psychopath - I can assure you: lying and accumulating social capital through it has worked very well for him.

Psychopaths dont typically succeed

Some do

<:brainlet:505799727657254922>

But most dont

Meritocracy inspires the making of laws
and if you temper Meritocracy with Social Values of compassion and Solidarity you get a balanced system where everyone has a chance and the same oportunities but only those who deserve it will rise above others @RogueGod

Most dont pick up the finesse required to lie effectively

what you are promoting Side, is basically old school Catholic social teachings. Unironically.

@SideTracker sure, however are you aware of what a Technocracy is?

yes

ik

@Napoleon Lee Scott ᴛɪɴᴋ

and that's the issue, it leads to that outright

Rerum novarum shit

and that's why you temper meritocracy with social values, to curtail elitism of the "Inteligencia"

Just realized this chat is named Vee-thena, conjures too many horrible images.

Social values and culture evolves, it isn't a static construct

DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDN


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman%2C_Turkey


**BATMAN**

@RogueGod Why is that a problem? Do you want to make a perfect system for all eternity and all circumstance? Cause that is a bad idea fam.

true but that's also why you need a system that replaces the Inteligencia at the top every so often

Make a good system for here and now

again

Social Meritocracy is not the system, its just the ideal

1000 year long Reichs are doomed lunacy

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM no, I'm explaining to @SideTracker that it will devolve into inteligencia over time.

the system could very well be anything from a democracy to a monarchy imo

people tend to not understand ideas, they fall in love with the idea of an idea

true

I fell in love with the idea of the concept of a thought of a notion.

I'm talking long-game here, not in 30 years or anything like this

and it was underage I bet

I'm talking 100 years or so

Batman? more like fatman

It was.

then u are thinking stupidly about politics

stop

i'd just love a world thats kind to everyone but also fair. I detest when potential is wasted due to poverty or some other factor outside of said person's contorl

Tatas

this isn't about politics, this is about metaphysics

This ain't about metaphysics this is about Jojo memes

nominalist scum

imagine thinking ideas are metaphysics

Imagine thinking

I'm not saying ideas are metaphysics, I'm talking about metaphysical structures

On some level ideas *are* metaphysics.

Those don't exist.

politics are one structure

imagine if all the children in Africa that are potential geniuses had a chance to actually evolve their potential. same with everyone else living in squalor without the means

https://bestofcomicbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/20.jpg

It's just a thing people use as an excuse to act like they are deep thinking chads

Is that a dude or a chick

https://bestofcomicbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1-1.jpg

A chick

@NinjaQuick It's actually a snail

Obv

Politics without the ideals and culture and principles just devolves into a "means to an end"

Pole vaulter

She vaults on poles

I'll defer to racial statistics concerning the darkest skinned infmdivisuals and a correlation therein with low iq

nah, I'm saying politics are very limited, you have to absorb alot of outside ideas to make a political system stand, exactly what @SideTracker says

While there is some intellectual snobbery in that direction to scoff at... there is that other direction in which appreciation of philosophy and deep thought about relevant issues is disdained and idiocy is valued above thought.

IDF women are the best.

You goyim should enjoy them more.

Pole vaulters have such man-shoulders

I love it

There is a time and place for philosophy

It is not on Discor

d

@Weez they are commies

kek

no thanks

hue

<:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

Whaaa?

U thought we'd talk about GAMES n shit on Discord?

Naw nigga

even the most direct of democracies becomes tyrannical and authoritarian if the culture and principles are all whack

There is always a time and place for philosophy. After all, you do shill monarchism as your political philosophy of choice.

We talking some REAL SHIT

not on my Christian server nigger

https://theathleticbuild.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Cathrine-Larsasen-2-e1517432490263.jpg

@Uksio Post more

Shit meme @REDARROW101_A5 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

"You don't do philosophy in bed with your lover and you don't do it with e-friends on Discord"
- Heidegger

that's why no single government system is good. it's all dependant on culture and principles

@Weez its not a meme its a PA

Heidegger... <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

Jam is gone

Pole vaulting makes girls butts, six pack and shoulders buff, but leaves every other aspect feminine

my joke was stolen

Pole vaulter girls are the prettiest out of all buff complexities

im doing philosophy here when i could be having a bj in bed... <:sargone:465483910638469131>

hue

@Zakhan You disregard this ancestral wisdom at your own peril, Dane

Idf girls are beta

@Uksio Cath looks good, but that other grill is way too manly.

Alpha wimmin are sino-russian.

@NinjaQuick This is the 1st time you spoke any sense on here

http://d1nnx3nhddxmeh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/03151243/PoleVaultAdd4.jpg

high 5

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM In this case it seems more like smarmy pretentiousness to me, Pole.

About one in fifty thousand people are dumber than 163 iq

Not a very high iq statement.

that's a lot of damage

imagine having triple digit IQ

lmao

how would one prevent Inteligencia from rising and permanently taking over a meritocratic society?
Some form of Democracy seems best

brainlet

4 digit iq or gtfo

eww, democracy

4 digit iq for single digit age

mfw

The glownigger speaketh trooth once again.

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM now ik you prefer monarchy but let me just go that extra step, what about a Monarchy with democratic systems to replace the lower administration that is the Inteligencia so that your glorious divine mandate of a kingdom remains meritocratic?

Imagine having glorified bureaucrats as your leaders and cherishing tha tfact

Imagine cherries

Imagine not popping cherries

Mmm

I am the great initializer. Initiator. Initiation rituals are important

okay, dog fucker

I am the gateway to adulthood

Ninja is truly doig God's work

no

Dog's work

Sounds like a lunatic

||I vote we stone him||

more like

Ninja is on a one way trip to getting chemically castrated

electric chair is pretty good too

ngl

nah, that one's for the gae

how bout getting deathed by Fuzzy Speach?

Don't worry, I already had vasectomy.

No more kids pls

Are you saying death by being sat on by peachfuzz?

I don't get it.

What's with the alt right boner for that guy

its for smart people

man

@NinjaQuick I bet you don't.

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM your Monarchy my lord?

it's 1/50000th iq meme

you dip

I'm Polish

not mutt

@Timeward yo

give rating

on that shit flag

I have supple hands polish my rod.

The call that saved the revolution.

its actually made by an EU4 pro using it for is AMR on the Kingdom of America

the redcoats are coming

Bogdanoffs have a crazy look to them.

**THIS** is their power.

τοῦ σώσαντος ἡμᾶς καὶ καλέσαντος κλήσει ἁγίᾳ, οὐ κατὰ τὰ ἔργα ἡμῶν ἀλλὰ κατὰ ἰδίαν πρόθεσιν καὶ χάριν, τὴν δοθεῖσαν ἡμῖν ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ πρὸ χρόνων αἰωνίων,

Tbh, Muttica has a lot in common with the old Polish monarchy tho

yo