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It's cultural thing, too.
but yeah the "free market" as we describe it is not a traditional american value
neither the jeffersonians nor hamiltonians supported such a thing
jefferson was an outright anti-capitalist
opposing generalized wage labor
what would you support then? mixed economy?
I think it is completely in the spirit of classical American liberalism, so it is as conservative as it gets.
i would support a variant of national syndicalism
I would argue from a cultural standpoint free market liberalism is closer to the American core values than syndicalism.
i don't see why
Because it is quite literally build on the value of liberty which runs deep in all other aspects of the classical American cultural tradition.
free market to support competition and innovation, with some government balances in place to stop monopolies or cabals
small business oriented
Why won't you support the most liberal economic system out there when your entire culture is based on the idea of liberty?
the dominance of vast holdings of capital concentrated in private hands directly contravenes what the founding fathers advocated for
This is why there is anti-trust regulation.
There just must be someone willing to actually implement it.
it's not particularly useful
especially when we consider that economies of scale are a reality
Cause the power elites are corrupt, not because the legislation itself is in any way, shape or form wrong by default.
the centralized political power afforded by the concentration of production power into a single body is a reality
the only question is how it is to be organized
It is a reality which the disregard of laws made happen.
Just implement the laws that already exist.
You don't need a system change for that.
no it's a reality by virtue of technological progress dictating that this is what a state needs in order to stay competitive
You must very well know that capital concentration can be offset by lowering the entry requirements for an industry, right?
Just get back to the old ways by stripping down unnecessary regulation.
even if you lower the entry requirements you still have economies of scale to deal with
Which was put there by lobbyists at the first place.
And even in the economies of scale you can have competition.
Why there are Microsoft and Mac and Linux?
yes but you will also have capital concentrated into a centralized body, necessarily entailing the concentration of political power
Why there are Coca Cola and Pepsi?
Shall I continue?
I don't think that capital concentration should equal political power concentration.
it's not about should
The people can offset the process.
i don't think they can offset it anymore than in the short term without systemic change
If they are conscious enough of the ways Big Business is trying to buy legislation offering it protection.
in the long term political power is always used in service of propertied interests
control over resources is the primary determinant of political power
I don't think so.
the only possible exception would be in situations where such a high degree of formal power is invested in an authority that they can overcome it
The ultimate root of all power is violence.
as in a place like nazi germany
Politically motivated violence at that.
I don't want it to become a Starship Troopers discussion but that's the reality of it.
i mean, that is true, though i think that these things are roots in different ways
And violence is ultimately garnered by the people, not by the property owners.
in general there are acts of violence that are considered to be legitimate and those that aren't, and the legitimacy of violence is generally dictated by those who control resources, but of course it is possible that they can be overthrown if enough people see the violence they sanction as being illegitimate and use their own violence to overturn the system that upholds their rule
If you get the people to use this fundamental capability of theirs against the property owners they just can't compete.
in the long term it only matters insofar as one uses it to affect systemic change though
Now you are getting it @Death in June
if you leave the same power structure intact it will ultimately begin to act according to the same incentives it did before
If there is a large body of ARMED, and I stress the word, citizens out there who are ready to sanction anyone disregarding their values, no amount of property can save you.
As Mao said it:
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
That is why the globalists are so afraid of the AR-15 bunch in the US.
the idea that control over resources is the primary determinant of political power isn't incompatible with the idea that a paradigm of control over resources can be overthrown through extralegal violence
Don't allow corruption to settle in your political institutions and no amount of wealth will be worth the risk of messing in state affairs.
"Don't allow corruption to settle in your political institutions"
It is actually what is going wrong with the West right now.
you may as well tell us to eat the sun
Too much hedonism.
Nope, actually there are many examples of societies in history which managed to get rid of corruption in one way or the other.
It just requires stronger values by the people.
what examples?
@Death in June Did Rome disappeared out of the map?
What about China? Or India? Or Russia? Or even the Maya, the Aztec and the Inca?
No, they didn't.
They had their heyday, than some nasty things happened to them, and then, they had to readjust and make do with whatever they had but on a smaller scale.
Societies can manage hedonism if they are ale to adjust themselves to the newer circumstances, it just will take them some efforts and real actual energy BY the people themselves FOR the people themselves to actually do it.
Currently may be the US is undergoing such a period with the rise of the New Right and the growing disgust with its leadership.
I really don't know how far would it get but the thing is the US can save themselves if they want to and in the process create an example for the whole world to follow.
Question is:
Would they?
we should support Assad and try to build a strong alliance between both the kurds and assad since only a dictator can run a country with Druze, muslims, christians etc living right next door to each other
i mean the whole idea of a democracy in the middle east is retarded never mind in a place like Syria
well syria is a "democracy"
it's just not liberal
though it took a step in that direction in 2011
with the referendum that lifted the party restrictions on legislative participation and made it so that the president was to be directly elected
rather than appointed by the legislature
but you still need a dictator like Assad in Syria when you havew druze, muslims, christians etc living right next to each other
I'm not sure you need a dictator
but you do need a government that doesn't fuck around
the main problem is that most ME countries have a leader that's biased against the other religions/sects
so you just get purges
but Assad is a part of a peaceful muslim sect
yes which is why we need to build a strong alliance between Assad and the Kurds, the best we can do is stop the Turks from fucking it up
Make the Imperium great again.
@tea_in_space You're not wrong. As shit as Yugoslavia was, the local dictator, Tito, managed to hold together nations whose idea of a saturday afternoon is to genocide each other
So that could work in Syria
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/activist-death-09242019134327.html China dindu nuffin
How reliable is the independent? I don't know all the satire sites, is this one of them?
Based and redpilled.
We should be doing the same. @notaglobe
@randomNPCno3 dunno, I mean, they wouldn't want to give drumfh any reason to continue fighting china
so when the un going to do something about china
(they wont)
Why are the climate change activists silent on China?
So much for being the "UN" panel if they are silent on Asia.
And people still listen to a robotic Swedish teen rather than these kind of people, who are ACTUALLY well informed and better suited to give talks at summits like this.
They're silent on China because it doesn't help their true cause of undermining the west
The truth about the climate would force them to back down from attacking Europe, the US, all of it
Most of what Greta's saying is the same shit I learned in Environmental Studies in middle school, lol.
Wonder what's worth applauding stuff what I already know and is super obvious since school days, and all of a sudden people feel that's "revolutionary"
It's just called PR @ashzeppelin
That's what it actually is. Nothing more, nothing less. And according to them the West, and in greater range-all whites, should pay the price and bear the burden. That's what it really boils down to.
Well, China also has a controlling role in the UN as well...
So the UN can't really glimpse at the excesses of China... even if they wanted to.
(And I don't think they actually want to.)
Fucking ADL
I'm glad Pewdiepie didn't give them any money
Would have be a waist of money
Yโall need to read the ADLโs actual article before saying anything... to quote their literal fucking page โ *Use of the okay symbol in most contexts is entirely innocuous and harmless.* โ
It's never not harmless
They literally point out that people falsely promote it as something bad...
I agree itโs harmless, but if a group used it in a said way and you said they tried to use it in that said way, and also point out how thatโs not how most people use it, I donโt get whatโs wrong with that
It's just further evidence that the list of hate symbols is pointless and stupid
Calling them hate symbols was dumb I agree, but if u go to their page, they write that they are basically documenting symbols used by white supremicist groups among others
The ADL seems more interested in documenting their own weird conspiracy theories. This amusingly makes them more like white supremacists than they are to normal people......
I feel quite hateful today, what could I do? Hmm, oh I know!
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its old but what ever
Live footage from HK protest part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIZbxcxPaE
I guess this means China is going to start polluting EVEN MORE
We need to arm the Mongols then they can deal with both China and Russia
is this where people from zimbabwe discuss their politics
do u no de wae
no
this is where people from antartica discuss politics
I'm telling you president emperor penguin #4817 is a bad president
he's does nothing but eat fish all day
I'm all for President Penguin #6918
@UnScottable That's Rhodesia to you, sir.
so is there a populist leader in ur country of rhodesia
whats the situation over there
It's not my country, that's the proper name for the country you were referring to. Either way, things haven't been going very well for the past few decades there.
I got myself laughing my ass off today when I saw this. Apparently the Hindus are now leading the way in the fight against Global feminism.
A useful website to catch up on to every incident that happens live in HK.
You can also use this website to get news and reports of conflicts in different regions of the world.
https://hongkong.liveuamap.com/
Reports of live rounds used and government building a target for protesters as they're starting to set up barricades.
Hong Kong protests footage, live right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcNB89_ISiI
@UnScottable Zimbabwae? is that near Wakanda? also created by Stan Lee?
Shot fired
In centre of mass
"Chinazi" spray paint (from the other live stream before)
https://gyazo.com/165fef68b84dcd4a2d26c879b5b7a50f
Next Hong Kong protest livestream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1FLkuGIu8
Someone just shot in HK. Its boogaloo time!
I hope the world's watching, this will be a lesson to us all
No nice guy democracy bullshit against the totalitarians, this is how things actually go
What do you think would happen if we airdropped in light arms and anti-armor weapons?
Why would we do that?
Arsenal of democracy and all that
Nah
Highly ineffective in 2019
The weapons of modern day are the information war and economic shutdown
If weapons were so useful, Hong Kong would've likely already used them. They haven't used them en masse yet precisely because they rile up even more of the population.
So tear gas it is instead, and even that quite sparingly
Short term yes. Eventually everything will be backed up with weapons.
No, the governments prefer to resorting to mass arrests, and most people won't fight that with deadly force
When the government uses deadly force against the majority of protesters, that means it has been taken over by the ultra violent already
At that point the populace has no chance with deadly force anyway, because the military is far too well trained
This is why the key is not to win the war, but to win sympathies, in this case the ultimate ally is the military
Soldiers don't want to kill their own friends and family, so the key is to make sure they won't feel incentivized to do that
So civil war in 2019 is a lot more about moving the pieces on the board rather than attacking outright
As Sun Tsu has taught us, wars don't just happen on the battlefield
If he was alive today, he would hold online battles in high regard
As well as economic shutdowns by the populace
I could also simplify this argument: you have to have the military on your side, whether you're the government or the civilians
The only group that's usually willing or at least strongly incentivized to actually fight is the army
And as the government you don't want to alienate the military, so if you push too far you risk getting disempowered by them
How residents of Hong Kong react to protesters blocking roads, forcing public transport detours:
https://hongkong.liveuamap.com/pics/2019/10/01/21900640_0.jpg
First Aid matters not
Chest x Ray is out for the guy who got shot earlier
It's conflicted but there's a lot of reports saying he's 15, though there's still a small few saying he's 18
Form 5 student in a secondary school
Big October first military parade in China all I gotta say is they got some weird planes
Don't forget! The Chinese are the biggest people Heiling these days! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/5f/de/d85fde860458ee30346e21bd18e07792.jpg
Look at Chairman Mao. He's a Nazi! Total Nazi!
https://streamable.com/9g1f6 Also this just in.
greta thunberg owned with fax and logic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DcLpQ7EFCE
Well, I must admit Chris has some real ball. Knowing how much the Chinese authorities want China Uncensored to disappear and he actually showing off in person in Hong Kong in times like these. It really takes some genuine courage to do so. I wonder will they finally have him if the Chinese decide to go rough on Hong Kong?
@Death in June He actually makes some sensible points thou he goes into full retard communism at the end. If only the blacks knew how to THINK!
I fully support the protesters but honestly thanks to that angle, the police were justified in that
@Rutena the Braixen Justified? How?
If you saw the video Ankha has posted, one of the police officers were being trampled and beaten on the ground with poles and batons, while the second officer was fully surrounded and being attacked, including by the victim who managed to tag the officer.
<https://streamable.com/9g1f6>
Very clear case of self defence as well as protecting their fallen officer, deadly force was a reasonable decision.
@RB79BALL As much as I support the Hong Kong protesters I have to agree with @Rutena the Braixen, in this case it looks as though this shooting was a justifiable case of self defence.
Whether the police officer should have even been there is another question but taking that he was in that situation as a given, how he acted is not unreasonable.
This is another angle
You make the call
Protesters were ultimately the ones making the charge here and the one who fired the shot was attempting to rescue them, clearly shows that much. From the start of the video to 5 seconds later when the shot is fired the fallen officer was on the ground being beaten, and the responding officer was attacked immediately, with the attacker making two swings before the round was fired, both while the pistol was drawn.
Ultimately itโs less in the protesterโs favour. They were bashing a police officer who was on the floor, second officer responds with weapons drawn, attacker makes not one but two swings. It turns from justified to asking for it. I support the protesters but this one I canโt defend.
You canโt fight for just causes with unjust tactics.
>inb4 CCP planted moles to cause this
Bro, they're China.
They'll do ANYTHING for Power.
Maybe...
Remember seeing luke live from paris, the people who were setting fire to cars and shit looked very different from the rest of the people there, some not even wearing yellow wests.
Another potential aspect is looking at why were the protesters beating the shit out of the policeman in the first place
Suspiciously enough, all the videos that show protester violence that I've seen so far exclude the action leading up to the violence
The likelihood of that being coincidence is not particularly high, although not impossible either
Well it is a situation where neither side can back down. This is not the only place there are dissidents the CCP has had a marked increase in detentions in the *mainland*. A big difference is that HK has normal internet and can distribute information. So from the CCPs perspective they cannot allow a resistance to succeed because it would embolden others.
Of course on the protester's side they know that if this movement stops at some point in the future they will be arrested and sent to camps. Their only practical defense is to be in a crowd of a million or so with lots of cameras.
They're already being arrested and sent to camps
So not only do they have nothing really to lose anymore, they're in the middle of what can be considered a civil war, albeit a comparatively peaceful one
I see no way this can end good, my gut tells me international intervention is "the right thing to do" but this could legit lead to WW3
Do you think China will have the guts to start WW3? All high CCP members have their assists and family in the States or somewhere in the commonwealth
It is more likely another Chinese civil war
China should just be europe already
Hard hitting shit right here. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZoUioqlZEs&fbclid=IwAR2o9YMn2eNWxtTjAPithOuRp_JRwlTObsqLEpS-vh36yiblycxd_gsWBSs
So there is a twitter account that goes by the name of โLiam Stoneโ that has been posting videos on HK. Take this one for example. https://www.twitter.com/liamstone_19/status/1180175432236195840
Pretty condemning now isnโt it? But pay closer attention to this video, notice what is wrong with it? It starts in the middle of the fight not in the beginning.
Its just a damn shame how we donโt have a video from when the beating started, oh wait... we do: https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F124853124283126%2Fvideos%2F813063699128142%2F&show_text=0&width=380
I just wonder is anybody of you guys paying attention on what is going on in Iraq? They have they own protests, too, and the way it looks they are nothing smaller than what is going on in HK.
It looks like Mahdi may be will fall.
It will be a blow against Iran.
I wonder what does the Yankees think about it? Do you think the CIA and Mossed got involved?
Probably although not Assad
Heโs allies with Iran and Russia
I don't think Assad has anything to do with it, too.
It's either the Jews or the Yankees, or may be both.
Iraq is basically a puppet state of Iran
Definitely the jews somewhere
Yankees too
I think Iraq is still a thorn in the ass of the Yanks.
Although Iโm a southerner, donโt know if Iโm a yankee cuz Iโm American or not
@Puma
That's still not the full context (in fact even what I'm posting may not be the full context, I think there's even more)
https://twitter.com/timdayipper/status/1180155734853480449
Yankee what we say to northerns
Even after 15 years they still want to dominate there.
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