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I've got pictures of a G6-*35* power pack, nothing on the 45.
With SQUAD's vaulting and climbing. Players will be able to climb in and out in a similar manner to how it was done in reality.
That's before it's razed to the ground for hiding FAPLA troops
or SWAPO. As they were the primary enemy. FAPLA just got in the way. Which led to contact with them as well. Although there were many instances where FAPLA was directly targeted but the end goal was always to undermine SWAPO and thus stop their yearly cross border infiltrations.
Parabats with the m83 helmet and wood grip galil.
I prefer the m87 helmet personally.
Is this the M87? If so this is actually my favorite military helmet
Similar to a pasgt really
How well were they liked by the people who had to wear them?
All I know is the troops preferred wearing the bush hat whenever possible. Wearing a helmet in such heat and for long periods wasn't glamorous.
Makes sense. It's a shame really, I just don't like the aesthetics of the bush hat.
Best aesthetic of the SADF imo sure the pat 70 and R1 were great too but I prefer the 80's aesthetic
Never seen that picture but I have to agree with you
Pat 70 kit and R1
Americans will recognize this vehicle as it was adopted by the US.
Yeah, I prefer the '80s look.
Also thanks to you and the Armscor discord my South African photo archive has tripled
Not familiar with that vehicle, looks like something from Mad Max. What is it?
It was called chubby by us
Americans call it husky
Somehow I've never heard of this before, thanks for the picture!
Used extensively in the Border War and Afghanistan War. It eats mines and ieds for breakfast
I hope the performance won't be too bad with how thick the bush will be as seen here.
Unsung pulled it off, right?
There are more open spaces as well though.
Oh shit right forgot what server I was on
Is SQUAD more prone to lag with environments than ArmA?
It depends on your specs. SQUAD definitely runs better then ARMA but also suffers from lag in regards to too many assets on screen
But it is being continueously optimized
What are good specs to run it at a somewhat consistent framerate? I recently got a new PC and I think it'll be up to the challenge
Alouettes would spot and shoot the shit out of SWAPO whenever they were in a chase. The descriptions I've read of what the 20mm could do were pretty grotesque.
Is there a way to tell the difference between a Rhodie Alouette and a South African one?
Yes and no
Look out for SAAF or Rhodie roundel
Though sometimes there would be no roundel usually with SAAF helicopters operating in Rhodesian ops in order to conceal SA support.
Saaf roundel seen there
Oh yes, I believe I saw that as an entry in HAH's last patch poll
I prefer the Rhodesian one personally
Saaf roundels as seen in op Uric
Ja our roundels used to look cooler
Round with a springbok inside
Or like that without the springbok
I think they're all good, but something about a lion & tusk on green is really nice.
SAAF P51 Korean War
Agreed Rhodesian airforce roundel is nicer
That said, I prefer Oryx > Alouette
Interesting how the Rhodies never got any of our pumas
They got our elands, alouettes, r1's and a few buffels and fn mags but that's about it.
If they held out a bit longer they may have got some. Maybe even ratels
I thought SA pulled support after Operation Eland?
At least, that's what Wikipedia says, and they've *never* been wrong, *ever*
Support ended in 1979 iirc. Hence Op Uric being a joint SA/Rhode op
Remember that SA support of Rhodesia was clandestine. It had to be or the international community would condemn SA to hell. Which it did anyway
Hey @Springbok, do you perchance have any pictures of the interior of a *Rhodesian* de Havilland Vampire?
@Springbok lol a few FN Mags... rhodesia had more south aftican FN mags than the SADF
@Colonel Clint rhodies also only wore shorts till 76 or 77 due to the fact they had to start camo creaming any exposed skin
@Springbok I honestly dont think putting in the G6 is a good idea. Maybe as a unit that stays there and then automatically shoots when they implement arty
But as a drivable vehicle...
@Kooijpolloi there is no AI so it would have to be driveable. I'm not a fan of off map artillery to be honest
Im not a fan of crew served arty in a fps
We already have crew served arty in squad
Mortars, and rocket truck
Mortars are not that bad
You fear it'll be too op?
I just dont think a lot of guys want to play arty
But op will be a problem
What will fapla get to counter?
What did they have IRL?
Grads and d 30 yea
Also players will be able to ambush the g6
Fapla in reality wasn't that competent. Players won't have that problem
I can imagine AT teams will be searching for the g6
Ok bru gotta get to work. Will chat more this afternoon.
Was that a no on Vampire pictures?
See ya, talk later
I will send you some soon Colonel
Just got work to do atm
Of course, much appreciated. I just wanted to know if you had any, no rush.
The guys are gonna sit right outside base and spam it I can guarantee it
Durin modular the G6 battery relocated up to 100km every night to hide their positions from migs
@Springbok wooden stock R1's were only used in training since the wood was damaged easier than the plastic so onky the R1s with the plastic furniture saw action
@Kooijpolloi the G6 won't have the same range as it does in reality. To avoid that very problem you stated.
@Colonel Clint sorry bru couldn't find any interior pics of the Rhodesian vampire
8 days left of work 🤟
I purchased this documentary last year. Now its uploaded on youtube by some bloke 😬
Interesting pic here. Mix of pattern 70 and 83
Rhodesian with an austrian FN FAL? Looks like such with that fluted handguard furniture. Same one used in SQUAD
Marines with the G3
This oke lifts!
@everyone Restaurant closes tomorrow evening. I'll be back home by monday. I'd like to get started on the Samil 100 logistics and transport truck asap. Though I lack a blueprint to model over. This may be a small chance but I'll ask anyway... anyone have a blueprint of the samil 100 kwevoel? I need mininum two angles to get the proportions right. Side and top or front view.
The MLRS version will also have to be modeled it has an extended cabin though.
Interesting prototype SADF vehicles
There's that palm tree insignia again. Rather sinister reminder of the Afrika Corps insignia.
@Springbok ill ask my dad if some of his mech-veteran buddies have some info and ill go theough some books for you
The Veldskoen prototype mpv never seen it before til last night. Looks interesting
I can see why
A couple of high calibre rounds to the front and that engine is royally screwed
@Bartender same could be said for the Buffel and Casspir to be fair
Ehh i guess but their radiatot grills werent as huge as this tbh
True though the Buffel has an exposed engine
Easy to maintain and replace
The same for the ratel and olifant
Fun fact the tiffies (engineers in the army) could change a ratels engine on the move by driving the ratel onto a transport truck and taking out then droppong in a new engine and drive it off again and its good to go
@Bartender ja that is mentioned by 61 Mech Roland de Vries in his memoir Eye of the Firestorm.
Can see some SADF and SANDF vehicles used by AU troops in this documentary
Namely casspirs, mambas and buffels
And Samil trucks
Soft skin versions though no kwevoels
With helicopters now in SQUAD officially. I can't wait to start modeling the alouette III and Puma
Will be back sometime after friday. Was supposed to be back yesterday but was invited to lunch at a winery. Couldn't pass on that 🤪
This must be one of the first batch of casspirs? Since later Mk I's did not have CASSPIR embossed on the front like this one.
Or that's a custom job done by one of the Koevoet mechanics?
Poor okes had bugger all to fight with yet still fought on despite the circumstances. An AU faction would be interesting in SQUAD imo.
Mix of western, eastern and south african equipment and hardware.
Perhaps something to look into after the Border War, SANDF and Rhodesian Bush War...
Yup thats a really really early casspir
The turbo wolf used by SWATF not many references for it sadly. Basically the brother of the Casspir. Casspir middle, Wolf top and bottom.
Has pretty much every southern african mrap
Surviving the ride is apparently an updated version of that?
Not always great pics but shows decent big differences
Didnt know that
Heitmann is smoking crack though if he thinks id pay that price
Ja its nuts
1000 pages though.
But still overpriced
The Great Betrayal is an overpriced book too.
@Kooijpolloi now if those books had blueprints for all the vehicles featured it would be godsend
Making biltong on a Buffel
Ah the G6, the SPG that kicked the communists asses so badly at cuito cuanavale they deny the whole battle
Buffel finally in graviteam tactics. Was missing in Op Hooper dlc and Op Moduler
Still no Casspir or Eland though...
Train ticket booked. Finally going home. Look forward to some art content popping up soon!
Casspir wasnt used by sadf
Only koevoet at that time
And eland was already phased out by then
I know, I would have liked it if they featured the COIN side of the conflict too
Then we would have got Koevoet with their casspirs in. As for the Eland they could have included them for earlier ops such as Reindeer
Anyway no worries as I'll be doing it with SQUAD.
Keen to finally be back tomorrow... and get cracking
Can't wait to see a screenshot like this in SQUAD. Not sure why that Buffel is green though.
They did a good job on the Buffel
Read somewhere the other day that 32Bn in Operation Moduler or Hooper had Ratels under their command and were painted in a different camouflage scheme
Check the size of those shells.... 👀
@Springbok ja but thats how graviteam operates they focus on one specific area of an operation
That looks like a russian ZU-23-2
It is one
On the train reading LZ Hot! By Nick Lithgow
@Kooijpolloi ja pretty much what I'll be doing too although I'm not just doing the large operations
I'll be doing the smaller battles and contacts too. So on some maps you'll play as SWATF or Koevoet or 32Bn. Going up against SWAPO. Whereas other layers you'll be 61 Mech going against FAPLA
Just passed a convoy of Italian army vehicles
Someone warn Ethiopia!
Ethiopia doesn't have to worry 😂
Photo taken from a Ratel viewblock during the battle of the Lomba.
Koevoet casspirs with an extra gun mounted through the front passenger window
Preparing to get back into modding. Dl'd blender 2.80
Going to buy Zbrush within the week
Updating UE4 and the SDK
Have to get used to Blender 2.80 though. Completely changed from 2.79
Special thanks to @Tillee for getting me the book Surviving the Ride by Steve Camp & Helmoed-Römer Heitman.
Tons of information about South African armoured vehicles with pictures as well. They'll be of immense help to the development of this mod.
as i was saying i think the scouting ability would only allow ground troops and the eland/ratel to mark targets such as enemy vehicles or groups of soldiers
like the system that war thunder implemented with their light tanks where you can scout/mark enemy vehicles accurately for the enemy team insteaqd of placing a marker on a map on the enemy vehicles general location
this would also allow the G6 to deliver more effective fire onto the target
We'll see when the mod gets to that stage 😉
but this is only an idea, i dont know if squad will allow that mechanic to work well
Right now I'm not planning on changing anything of the core gameplay. Only new assets and maps.
Though new game modes would probably be on the cards especially for the COIN aspect of the mod SADF vs SWAPO etc.
Scouting is in the game
You put down markers on the map
Ja I know, Bartender was talking about an automatic marking system that places a marker on the map once you've spotted the enemy. It eliminates the need to manually place markers yourself but I can see it being too arcadey.
You can use the T key when using the command circle thing as well
Im not for a auto scouting thing
Its a bit bs
I've never liked the 3d marking system since v12?
I'd rather you use your voice to specify where the enemy is than slap a marker on them and then everyone can see it.
Auto marking is not how it should be
Is all im saying
Yes its slower to put a marker on a map but its way more realistic
And you can get good with practice
I won't be touching the gameplay mechanics initially anyway
Just custom maps and factions then we'll have a look at what can be changed or added or removed to better suit the theme of the mod.
Im also really against a playable G6 but ill leave that one for later
😉 If I were not to include a G6 I'd be begged at every opportunity to add one trust me on that.
It'll only be available on large enough maps. It's artillery range won't be as it is in reality
Yeah but its not gonna work like it should
And is it only gonna be a driver and gunner?
Thats way unrealistic
It has a crew of 6-7
When they add commander role just call it 155 G6 arty strike
Itl be way too op as a in map unit
I'd imagine that the final version would need 6-7 man squad to operate it. Manual reloading etc
Then you take 6-7 guys off the line
And manual loading is nice and all but its hella boring
That's where 100 player servers come in.
The mod will desperately need 100 player servers due to the nature of the combat in that conflict involving mechanized infantry. Every squad had its own vehicle
In SQUAD right now not every squad has a vehicle of its own.
Yeah we'll speak balance and that shit down the line
Just my two cents for now
Either way though there has to be more players. As minimum two players of your squad would be operating your squad's ratel. Same with the buffel, one in the driver's seat and one on the gpmg
Also SADF vehicles can fit in more troops - Buffel can fit 11 people in it including driver
Yeah but they are also a rolling resupply point for the rest of the squad
maximum amount of players per squad right now is 9?
And the squad sizes are gonna have to be gyppo'd
Are you going to add swatf?