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This is some quality posting.
i have a video on roman concrete sonewhere
i'll post it soon
Hey, those silk worms are adorable, as are the moths ๐
Anybody here has experience with woodworking? It looks very interesting. I'm now fantasizing about making a boat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e2NcvxiGwI
i'm going into woodworking next year
thats cool
what are you planning on doing with it?
helping out with our potential community, obviously
but i enjoy working with my hands and woodworking/carpentry is cool
so like ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
yeah woodworking is comfy, and apparently theres money in wooden boats
oh nice
but anyway, theres always demand for carpenters, thats a good skill to learn
mhm
Yeah, I've been meaning to make something out of wood sooner or later, probably something easy like a chair or a table ๐
My dad made the table in our kitchen last year lol
*It's not very flat, but it's homemade*
I definitely want to try and make my own furniture someday, it likely wont save any money but will probably be very satisfying.
^ some amazing oldschool machines
Fuck it, @ram3n I'm not content until we've made ourselves 1 weapon each in our smithy
lmao
I want a Family Sword that hangs in like the living room in my house ๐
american ulfberht swords
Hey now, it'd be a viking sword if I had a part in it ๐
handcrafted with the finest viking steel in the finest of american forges
Maybe we should focus on modern weapons
^
Focus, yes
I'm not sure a sword is gonna do much xD
but I'll be damned if we don't make some neat firechopping axes, necessary iron parts of doors, handles and so on
Yeah
and, if we have some money or iron over et.c. we can make decorational (but yet useful) stuff like rings, jewelry and weapons :3
It is cool, but you know very well what I'm saying xD
Yeah ๐
I have done blacksmithing before. One of my only two surviving knives, out of 7.
That's really dope - we'll be your apprentices until we know the basics, then ๐
Nice
It will be fun.
this is so old fashioned
you could have a dozen simple machines to make it more efficient lol
at least get a motor for that tub of liquid soap to pump it out for you haha
honestly
i could probably build a machine out of WOOD to do 90% of that work
I don't know if this has been posted before, but this is amazing and I just wanted to share it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErGQ0rXkn74
man that is comfy
In another video he talks about the heating costs of the house. It only requires 5 cubic metres of firewood during the 6 cold months. Which is pretty amazing as well.
Thats amazing
I picture us building houses like that, but prolly simpler, when I watch that
๐
Tbh I'm very comfy in a simple house
as long as I have a window to look out of when it rains
@John.II and a cup of coffee, with a good book, and a roaring fireplace
#JustWhitePeopleThings
In a bathrobe
Tea is also a good choice.
https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dajb9FMzmamw&ved=0ahUKEwj5zZ7c3vHWAhWIChoKHYr6Dz4Qo7QBCCcwBg&usg=AOvVaw2BAnNnJQCaBLaaPPutNg2Q
Traditional finnish loghouse. Video is in finnish but you get the idea.
>can't even use the link
my mistake
yes there we go
great video
tfw want to make a hobby forge in my garage and start metal working
sounds comfy
totally is. I need to remake my forge, possiably use coal instead of propane this time but I need a bigger space for that
what have you made in the past?
got the anvil tho, which is the hardest thing to acquire
nothing yet. I just fucked around with different kinds of metal to see how they work. I also melted copper to its liquid form
I really enjoy stuff like this though. its really fun
post pics if you make more stuff
will do
@Orchid where do we discuss home building techniques and ideas? Is this the place?
yes
I've been really interested in this topic lately. Who else is interested in it? How do people here feel about ancient or classical building methods (timber and log) vs more modern (using OSB and vapor barriers, etc.)
im curious wether log buildings have any advantages over modern methods
I have some ideas for natural building. Modern techniqeus don't appeal to me
I've studied this quite a bit... it depends on how you configure the logs
the main problem with logs is how it traps mosture between logs, so it's better to design them in a way where the logs aren't touching, and you put chinking in between...
log homes, the way they're currently being built, require a lot of maintenance and upkeep, and aren't quite as efficient. I was enamored by them for a long time, until I discovered timber framing
that is a really good channel
yeah he does great stuff
if I were to build a log home, I'd be using his methods
i build houses but why would you want log
everything you see in construction is due to low cost...it also lends itself to simplicity
people like the aestheic of it
I think that's what it boils down to
ok well i asked you why would you entertain a log home
I used to be into it for the aethetics and the independence of it
something appealing about the idea of using moslty natural materials you can source yourself
ok and what is unnatural about milled lumber
look at the floorplan of log homes and tell me it isnt a sacrifice to live in one
because you're totally right... modern construction methods are more cost effective, and they end up being more simple if you conform to the conventional system
the stick and frame, 16 inch on center, two-by system
though I think if I were to go that route, I'd go with the "advanced framing" technique
is literally the best system...most homes are nuilt like garbage doesnt mean the design is bad
advanced framing is a literal meme
lol... I'd love to hear your thoughts about it
you're probably way more informed than I am
I'm just a software developer that dreams about building his own house one day
im not saying theres anything wrong with a log home im just saying they turn out like cuck sheds 9 times out of ten
yeah you're right
dude I've studied almost every method on log home building
most are crap
many of them just seem stupid to me
the most aesthetic I've seen is probably Robert Chambers' method but it's incredibly labor intensive
a regular wall is lets say 6 inches thick...maybe a little bit less over the actual floor and a log home would be something like 15 inches thick...you are literally losing about 10 inches on the perimeter of the house....its probably like a 15 percent loss on the total floor plan
and the potential for moistrue infiltration worries me
yeah airsealing is super important thats why i dont like log contruction
yup... and the more you seal it the more it ruins the look
i can build a stick frame wall in maybe 45 minutes from materials i can carry in my truck and lift with one hand
the chambers method, you're literally carving natural logs to fit like a glove on top of each other
logs would be literally an order of magnitude off from that simplicity and time
yeah his method is really complex
logs also deteriorate at the same rate if im not mistaken
but it ends up looking like a work of art... like the trees grew together into a house
they do when they touch and capture water in between the nooks and crannies
another point against log construction
Sometimes I get larpy tho... and I think about what kind of house you could build if you didn't have access to all these modern materials... like if it's just the individual craftsmen in the village working on it
if you really love wood and trees i dont believe in cutting a ton of them down for a house ...i dont really know about log construction at all but new methods are so easy and sustainable and habitable it makes me proud of my ignorance
and there's also the aesthetics of it
that's why my preferred system is timber frame
aesthetics to me really arent a virtue
but you cant build timber frame with out SIPS and they arent local made
well then it's just a question of what you value
I've been researching how one might be able to build it without sips
it can be done
our ancestors did it for hundreds of years
we have better methods and materials for the in-fill these days
yeah exactly i value practicality...a stick frame your children could build at 15 ...a log home well maybe after a decades of learning they could pull one off half assed
and lime plaster and lath is more labor intensive, but it produces beautiful, durable results
any surface finish wont matter if its not airsealed etc. plaster can turn to shit really fast
yeah I don't want to live in a bland box that's insulated with fiberglass batting
but that's just my own personal taste
well do you live in one now
haha touche
yes I do
im curious because where does this distaste come from
I don't really like it though
im not mad you dont see it the way i do
i really dont care there are more of you on the board than of me
oh I'm not mad either... it doesn't have to be a flame war
I think modern building is great.. I'm glad there are people out there who are pushing the technological boundaries to provide effective, affordable housing for most people
but when I dream big, I don't reach for what's ordinary
maximizing profits....but i dont think that we should hold the house as an ideal where it should be more of creating a home no matter the circumstances
I like the idea of learning the ancient methods that worked for centuries, that were achievable with very primitive technology, and then applying modern building science knowledge to those older methods
do you follow the work of Joe Lstiburek?
i dont want to get preachy but the housing market and the destruction of the family has always been done for ones own ideal and benefit not that of the coming generations....i have no idea who joe is can i get a quick rundown
yeah he's a civil engineer and building scientist who specializes in ventilation, mositure control, and air quality
and I agree 100% dude
the focus should be on family and home making
that's way more important than the way you put your sticks together
I'm 30 and I already have 4 kids
lol
another good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkfAcWpOYAA
yeah i mean we should be kicking our kids out at like 18 or whatever but not into a cold uncaring world but into a home that they made and i just see that as basic but nice and simple ...most cannot create a timber frame or log and if they do id be worried that they made it majorly wrong and it wuold fail prematurely...other than that i cant really help if you need tips on building practices im here
I might just go with something more conventional in the end
but I do plan on attending workshops and practicing before I build my home
I'd rather have a smaller home that I build correctly with my own hands than a larger home built conventionally. If I'm going to build it conventionally I'd rather hire people out to do it
they have more experience and could probably do a better job
im not going to say either way you try its going to be insanely difficult...and experience is most useful in cutting corners
I've always been naturally good with my hands. I used to be an artist once upon a time. I've done a fair bit of wood working as well, and scultping. I have the natural aptitude.... it's just software development makes more money lol
so that's what I'm doing these days
but we're saving money away to buy land and build a house on it... even if it's just a modest home.... we're not jews. We're content with simplicity
haha i live near a bunch of jews...literally the safest realty around they are smart with where they live...but theyll anally rape anyone else...ok so building a house wouldnt you love to be able to no bs grab a nail gun and shoot in a 3 inch nail in .5 seconds out of all the other bullshit that could happen wouldnt you want an easy system to begin with...i literally want to know why people like timber frames cuz fuck me id build anything i just dont see the reason i could probably just operate a crane and build a house...im not against it
I honestly think it's the aesthetic appeal and the independence of it
once you know your war around the tools, you can build it from the trees on your property
the aesthetics and the romance of it
and the purity of it
there's something heroic about it
because you're absolutely right, my dude
taking a nail gun and just hammering out a frame out of milled two-by's is going to get the job done
and it's going to get it done faster and cheaper
especially since for you, a guy with experience building many homes, that's what you know
I have no idea at all what it's like to build a home
so for me it's just pure fantasy in my head
it's pure romance
so I romanticize the process of homebuilding, doing it like my ancestors did, with a mallet and chisel, the slow, steady, methocial way
the same way I write code, lol
well its also the acreage wouldnt allow for timberframes by me ...but couldnt you add fake beams to a regular stud wall and be like look honey its just like the pictures etc
lol
you might be right
but there's something about the real thing
about handling the real structural timbers with your hands and manipualting them, and carving existence and memories from them
i agree its really cool i just never saw it done right and i never was in one to begin with...i always see small bathrooms, weird kitchens without enough counterspace and low ceilings ...fix that and youre good
cuz you're totally right, man... there are many easier simpler ways to build a house
i just dont see good floor plans
yeah I know what you mean
and there are many older homes that are timber frames, that have older standards of accommodation
you know what I mean?
yeah i feels you
like I live in Utah and there are houses out here built a 100 years ago people are still living in
the kitchens and rooms all feel so small
kind of like when my ancestors came to the US they were a good half foot shorter at least on average than i am
but back then people were just happy to have a warm place in the winter
Yeah I'm a tall guy... I need 8' walls at least
like a full bed might be nice for some people but i just dont fit comfortably
yeah
but if you were living back in the day, on the American Frontier, you're basically camping
and you'd be happy sleeping on pretty much ANY bed
its a paradox where big strong men want to build homes that smaller weaker ones design but they dont realize until its too late the house isnt suited for them
that's kind of what I mean... I like seeing how far we can go pairing things down to the bare essentials
yeah I'm pretty thorough. I don't think that'll happen to me
I have a pretty good lay man's overview of basic archtectural principles, and layout design. We'll just have to see
but it is something I want to get good at
I don't want to build junk, so I'll have to spend a few grand getting educated
i dont doubt that you do and its super easy to visualize or markout if you alreasy have the ability as an artist
yeah man, and I'm a sketchup pro
lol
I think if you plan the house out well at first, you won't have floorpsace issues, in spite of the thicker walls
well that was about logs construction the walls are an issue
timber frame has the same floor plan issues but you can make a larger home but you are bound by timber length etc
i also dont usually talk to people about these things so could you give me feedback ..orchid obviously thought i was being a dick
I think he was just worried you were going to pick a fight
it almost seemed like that at first
"ayo hol'up... STICK FRAMING IS THE SHIT!"
lol
yeah im like goddam it if this guy is going to spread a larp
but clearly that didn't happen
dude yeah a lot of the log enthusiasts are just larpers
because they're attracted to the image of it
it's like a video game to them
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