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2017-09-19 22:02:15 UTC

This is some quality posting.

2017-09-22 14:40:33 UTC

i have a video on roman concrete sonewhere

2017-09-22 14:40:38 UTC

i'll post it soon

2017-09-24 10:27:09 UTC

Hey, those silk worms are adorable, as are the moths ๐Ÿ˜„

2017-09-26 10:47:56 UTC

Anybody here has experience with woodworking? It looks very interesting. I'm now fantasizing about making a boat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e2NcvxiGwI

2017-09-26 10:48:10 UTC

i'm going into woodworking next year

2017-09-26 10:48:18 UTC

thats cool

2017-09-26 10:48:29 UTC

what are you planning on doing with it?

2017-09-26 10:48:45 UTC

helping out with our potential community, obviously

2017-09-26 10:49:00 UTC

but i enjoy working with my hands and woodworking/carpentry is cool

2017-09-26 10:49:10 UTC

so like ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

2017-09-26 10:49:50 UTC

yeah woodworking is comfy, and apparently theres money in wooden boats

2017-09-26 10:49:56 UTC

oh nice

2017-09-26 10:56:38 UTC

but anyway, theres always demand for carpenters, thats a good skill to learn

2017-09-26 10:56:41 UTC

mhm

2017-09-26 12:18:57 UTC

Yeah, I've been meaning to make something out of wood sooner or later, probably something easy like a chair or a table ๐Ÿ˜„

2017-09-26 12:19:06 UTC

My dad made the table in our kitchen last year lol

2017-09-26 12:19:15 UTC

*It's not very flat, but it's homemade*

2017-09-26 12:26:03 UTC

I definitely want to try and make my own furniture someday, it likely wont save any money but will probably be very satisfying.

2017-09-26 12:30:20 UTC

^ some amazing oldschool machines

2017-10-01 23:41:53 UTC

Fuck it, @ram3n I'm not content until we've made ourselves 1 weapon each in our smithy

2017-10-01 23:42:04 UTC

lmao

2017-10-01 23:42:11 UTC

I want a Family Sword that hangs in like the living room in my house ๐Ÿ˜„

2017-10-01 23:42:14 UTC

american ulfberht swords

2017-10-01 23:42:28 UTC

Hey now, it'd be a viking sword if I had a part in it ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2017-10-01 23:42:31 UTC

handcrafted with the finest viking steel in the finest of american forges

2017-10-02 00:09:47 UTC

Maybe we should focus on modern weapons

2017-10-02 00:10:00 UTC

^

2017-10-02 00:10:02 UTC

Focus, yes

2017-10-02 00:10:03 UTC

I'm not sure a sword is gonna do much xD

2017-10-02 00:10:30 UTC

but I'll be damned if we don't make some neat firechopping axes, necessary iron parts of doors, handles and so on

2017-10-02 00:10:46 UTC

Yeah

2017-10-02 00:11:05 UTC

and, if we have some money or iron over et.c. we can make decorational (but yet useful) stuff like rings, jewelry and weapons :3

2017-10-02 00:11:24 UTC

It is cool, but you know very well what I'm saying xD

2017-10-02 00:13:00 UTC

Yeah ๐Ÿ˜Š

2017-10-02 01:02:01 UTC

I have done blacksmithing before. One of my only two surviving knives, out of 7.

2017-10-02 01:22:03 UTC

That's really dope - we'll be your apprentices until we know the basics, then ๐Ÿ˜„

2017-10-02 01:55:07 UTC

Nice

2017-10-02 01:55:10 UTC

It will be fun.

2017-10-08 13:41:36 UTC

this is so old fashioned

2017-10-08 13:41:50 UTC

you could have a dozen simple machines to make it more efficient lol

2017-10-08 13:42:07 UTC

at least get a motor for that tub of liquid soap to pump it out for you haha

2017-10-08 13:47:42 UTC

honestly

2017-10-08 13:47:54 UTC

i could probably build a machine out of WOOD to do 90% of that work

2017-10-08 20:37:02 UTC

I don't know if this has been posted before, but this is amazing and I just wanted to share it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErGQ0rXkn74

2017-10-08 20:40:32 UTC

man that is comfy

2017-10-08 20:42:33 UTC

In another video he talks about the heating costs of the house. It only requires 5 cubic metres of firewood during the 6 cold months. Which is pretty amazing as well.

2017-10-08 23:58:30 UTC

Thats amazing

2017-10-09 06:52:27 UTC

I picture us building houses like that, but prolly simpler, when I watch that

2017-10-09 06:52:32 UTC

๐Ÿ˜Š

2017-10-09 16:49:14 UTC

Tbh I'm very comfy in a simple house

2017-10-09 16:49:28 UTC

as long as I have a window to look out of when it rains

2017-10-09 21:06:00 UTC

@John.II and a cup of coffee, with a good book, and a roaring fireplace

2017-10-09 21:06:07 UTC

#JustWhitePeopleThings

2017-10-09 21:10:43 UTC

In a bathrobe

2017-10-10 04:49:57 UTC

@Marlow replace that cup of coffee with a cup of tea and I'm good

2017-10-10 04:51:15 UTC

Tea is also a good choice.

2017-10-15 04:03:49 UTC
2017-10-15 04:04:27 UTC

>can't even use the link

2017-10-15 04:04:52 UTC

my mistake

2017-10-15 04:04:56 UTC

yes there we go

2017-10-15 04:06:41 UTC

great video

2017-10-16 03:07:23 UTC

tfw want to make a hobby forge in my garage and start metal working

2017-10-16 03:08:30 UTC

sounds comfy

2017-10-16 03:09:58 UTC

totally is. I need to remake my forge, possiably use coal instead of propane this time but I need a bigger space for that

2017-10-16 03:10:20 UTC

what have you made in the past?

2017-10-16 03:10:23 UTC

got the anvil tho, which is the hardest thing to acquire

2017-10-16 03:11:08 UTC

nothing yet. I just fucked around with different kinds of metal to see how they work. I also melted copper to its liquid form

2017-10-16 03:11:32 UTC

I really enjoy stuff like this though. its really fun

2017-10-16 03:12:08 UTC

post pics if you make more stuff

2017-10-16 03:12:15 UTC

will do

2017-10-26 19:07:30 UTC

@Orchid where do we discuss home building techniques and ideas? Is this the place?

2017-10-26 19:07:41 UTC

yes

2017-10-26 19:09:35 UTC

I've been really interested in this topic lately. Who else is interested in it? How do people here feel about ancient or classical building methods (timber and log) vs more modern (using OSB and vapor barriers, etc.)

2017-10-26 19:16:56 UTC

im curious wether log buildings have any advantages over modern methods

2017-10-26 19:17:02 UTC

I have some ideas for natural building. Modern techniqeus don't appeal to me

2017-10-26 19:17:11 UTC

I've studied this quite a bit... it depends on how you configure the logs

2017-10-26 19:17:53 UTC

the main problem with logs is how it traps mosture between logs, so it's better to design them in a way where the logs aren't touching, and you put chinking in between...

2017-10-26 19:18:46 UTC

log homes, the way they're currently being built, require a lot of maintenance and upkeep, and aren't quite as efficient. I was enamored by them for a long time, until I discovered timber framing

2017-10-26 19:23:32 UTC

that is a really good channel

2017-10-26 19:50:23 UTC

yeah he does great stuff

2017-10-26 19:50:39 UTC

if I were to build a log home, I'd be using his methods

2017-10-26 20:02:07 UTC

i build houses but why would you want log

2017-10-26 20:02:39 UTC

everything you see in construction is due to low cost...it also lends itself to simplicity

2017-10-26 20:02:47 UTC

people like the aestheic of it

2017-10-26 20:03:00 UTC

I think that's what it boils down to

2017-10-26 20:03:05 UTC

ok well i asked you why would you entertain a log home

2017-10-26 20:03:23 UTC

I used to be into it for the aethetics and the independence of it

2017-10-26 20:03:39 UTC

something appealing about the idea of using moslty natural materials you can source yourself

2017-10-26 20:03:52 UTC

ok and what is unnatural about milled lumber

2017-10-26 20:04:19 UTC

look at the floorplan of log homes and tell me it isnt a sacrifice to live in one

2017-10-26 20:04:21 UTC

because you're totally right... modern construction methods are more cost effective, and they end up being more simple if you conform to the conventional system

2017-10-26 20:04:42 UTC

the stick and frame, 16 inch on center, two-by system

2017-10-26 20:05:06 UTC

though I think if I were to go that route, I'd go with the "advanced framing" technique

2017-10-26 20:05:09 UTC

is literally the best system...most homes are nuilt like garbage doesnt mean the design is bad

2017-10-26 20:05:22 UTC

advanced framing is a literal meme

2017-10-26 20:05:35 UTC

lol... I'd love to hear your thoughts about it

2017-10-26 20:05:40 UTC

you're probably way more informed than I am

2017-10-26 20:05:49 UTC

I'm just a software developer that dreams about building his own house one day

2017-10-26 20:06:04 UTC

im not saying theres anything wrong with a log home im just saying they turn out like cuck sheds 9 times out of ten

2017-10-26 20:06:41 UTC

yeah you're right

2017-10-26 20:06:54 UTC

dude I've studied almost every method on log home building

2017-10-26 20:06:55 UTC

most are crap

2017-10-26 20:07:01 UTC

many of them just seem stupid to me

2017-10-26 20:07:40 UTC

the most aesthetic I've seen is probably Robert Chambers' method but it's incredibly labor intensive

2017-10-26 20:07:47 UTC

a regular wall is lets say 6 inches thick...maybe a little bit less over the actual floor and a log home would be something like 15 inches thick...you are literally losing about 10 inches on the perimeter of the house....its probably like a 15 percent loss on the total floor plan

2017-10-26 20:07:51 UTC

and the potential for moistrue infiltration worries me

2017-10-26 20:08:16 UTC

yeah airsealing is super important thats why i dont like log contruction

2017-10-26 20:08:28 UTC

yup... and the more you seal it the more it ruins the look

2017-10-26 20:08:42 UTC

i can build a stick frame wall in maybe 45 minutes from materials i can carry in my truck and lift with one hand

2017-10-26 20:08:48 UTC

the chambers method, you're literally carving natural logs to fit like a glove on top of each other

2017-10-26 20:09:02 UTC

logs would be literally an order of magnitude off from that simplicity and time

2017-10-26 20:09:12 UTC

yeah his method is really complex

2017-10-26 20:09:14 UTC

logs also deteriorate at the same rate if im not mistaken

2017-10-26 20:09:27 UTC

but it ends up looking like a work of art... like the trees grew together into a house

2017-10-26 20:09:42 UTC

they do when they touch and capture water in between the nooks and crannies

2017-10-26 20:09:47 UTC

another point against log construction

2017-10-26 20:11:22 UTC

Sometimes I get larpy tho... and I think about what kind of house you could build if you didn't have access to all these modern materials... like if it's just the individual craftsmen in the village working on it

2017-10-26 20:11:23 UTC

if you really love wood and trees i dont believe in cutting a ton of them down for a house ...i dont really know about log construction at all but new methods are so easy and sustainable and habitable it makes me proud of my ignorance

2017-10-26 20:11:44 UTC

and there's also the aesthetics of it

2017-10-26 20:11:53 UTC

that's why my preferred system is timber frame

2017-10-26 20:11:58 UTC

aesthetics to me really arent a virtue

2017-10-26 20:12:17 UTC

but you cant build timber frame with out SIPS and they arent local made

2017-10-26 20:12:21 UTC

well then it's just a question of what you value

2017-10-26 20:12:35 UTC

I've been researching how one might be able to build it without sips

2017-10-26 20:12:37 UTC

it can be done

2017-10-26 20:12:43 UTC

our ancestors did it for hundreds of years

2017-10-26 20:12:52 UTC

we have better methods and materials for the in-fill these days

2017-10-26 20:13:02 UTC

yeah exactly i value practicality...a stick frame your children could build at 15 ...a log home well maybe after a decades of learning they could pull one off half assed

2017-10-26 20:13:12 UTC

and lime plaster and lath is more labor intensive, but it produces beautiful, durable results

2017-10-26 20:13:43 UTC

any surface finish wont matter if its not airsealed etc. plaster can turn to shit really fast

2017-10-26 20:14:06 UTC

yeah I don't want to live in a bland box that's insulated with fiberglass batting

2017-10-26 20:14:19 UTC

but that's just my own personal taste

2017-10-26 20:14:26 UTC

well do you live in one now

2017-10-26 20:14:30 UTC

haha touche

2017-10-26 20:14:32 UTC

yes I do

2017-10-26 20:14:43 UTC

im curious because where does this distaste come from

2017-10-26 20:14:47 UTC

I don't really like it though

2017-10-26 20:14:59 UTC

im not mad you dont see it the way i do

2017-10-26 20:15:12 UTC

i really dont care there are more of you on the board than of me

2017-10-26 20:15:16 UTC

oh I'm not mad either... it doesn't have to be a flame war

2017-10-26 20:15:56 UTC

I think modern building is great.. I'm glad there are people out there who are pushing the technological boundaries to provide effective, affordable housing for most people

2017-10-26 20:16:06 UTC

but when I dream big, I don't reach for what's ordinary

2017-10-26 20:16:42 UTC

maximizing profits....but i dont think that we should hold the house as an ideal where it should be more of creating a home no matter the circumstances

2017-10-26 20:17:21 UTC

I like the idea of learning the ancient methods that worked for centuries, that were achievable with very primitive technology, and then applying modern building science knowledge to those older methods

2017-10-26 20:17:47 UTC

do you follow the work of Joe Lstiburek?

2017-10-26 20:18:49 UTC

i dont want to get preachy but the housing market and the destruction of the family has always been done for ones own ideal and benefit not that of the coming generations....i have no idea who joe is can i get a quick rundown

2017-10-26 20:19:27 UTC

yeah he's a civil engineer and building scientist who specializes in ventilation, mositure control, and air quality

2017-10-26 20:19:34 UTC

and I agree 100% dude

2017-10-26 20:19:44 UTC

the focus should be on family and home making

2017-10-26 20:19:55 UTC

that's way more important than the way you put your sticks together

2017-10-26 20:20:05 UTC

I'm 30 and I already have 4 kids

2017-10-26 20:20:06 UTC

lol

2017-10-26 20:20:58 UTC
2017-10-26 20:22:54 UTC

yeah i mean we should be kicking our kids out at like 18 or whatever but not into a cold uncaring world but into a home that they made and i just see that as basic but nice and simple ...most cannot create a timber frame or log and if they do id be worried that they made it majorly wrong and it wuold fail prematurely...other than that i cant really help if you need tips on building practices im here

2017-10-26 20:23:32 UTC

I might just go with something more conventional in the end

2017-10-26 20:23:46 UTC

but I do plan on attending workshops and practicing before I build my home

2017-10-26 20:24:23 UTC

I'd rather have a smaller home that I build correctly with my own hands than a larger home built conventionally. If I'm going to build it conventionally I'd rather hire people out to do it

2017-10-26 20:24:45 UTC

they have more experience and could probably do a better job

2017-10-26 20:25:04 UTC

im not going to say either way you try its going to be insanely difficult...and experience is most useful in cutting corners

2017-10-26 20:25:54 UTC

I've always been naturally good with my hands. I used to be an artist once upon a time. I've done a fair bit of wood working as well, and scultping. I have the natural aptitude.... it's just software development makes more money lol

2017-10-26 20:26:04 UTC

so that's what I'm doing these days

2017-10-26 20:26:47 UTC

but we're saving money away to buy land and build a house on it... even if it's just a modest home.... we're not jews. We're content with simplicity

2017-10-26 20:30:24 UTC

haha i live near a bunch of jews...literally the safest realty around they are smart with where they live...but theyll anally rape anyone else...ok so building a house wouldnt you love to be able to no bs grab a nail gun and shoot in a 3 inch nail in .5 seconds out of all the other bullshit that could happen wouldnt you want an easy system to begin with...i literally want to know why people like timber frames cuz fuck me id build anything i just dont see the reason i could probably just operate a crane and build a house...im not against it

2017-10-26 20:31:11 UTC

I honestly think it's the aesthetic appeal and the independence of it

2017-10-26 20:31:31 UTC

once you know your war around the tools, you can build it from the trees on your property

2017-10-26 20:31:36 UTC

the aesthetics and the romance of it

2017-10-26 20:31:46 UTC

and the purity of it

2017-10-26 20:32:05 UTC

there's something heroic about it

2017-10-26 20:32:12 UTC

because you're absolutely right, my dude

2017-10-26 20:32:30 UTC

taking a nail gun and just hammering out a frame out of milled two-by's is going to get the job done

2017-10-26 20:32:40 UTC

and it's going to get it done faster and cheaper

2017-10-26 20:32:56 UTC

especially since for you, a guy with experience building many homes, that's what you know

2017-10-26 20:33:01 UTC

I have no idea at all what it's like to build a home

2017-10-26 20:33:08 UTC

so for me it's just pure fantasy in my head

2017-10-26 20:33:10 UTC

it's pure romance

2017-10-26 20:33:44 UTC

so I romanticize the process of homebuilding, doing it like my ancestors did, with a mallet and chisel, the slow, steady, methocial way

2017-10-26 20:33:54 UTC

the same way I write code, lol

2017-10-26 20:33:54 UTC

well its also the acreage wouldnt allow for timberframes by me ...but couldnt you add fake beams to a regular stud wall and be like look honey its just like the pictures etc

2017-10-26 20:34:08 UTC

lol

2017-10-26 20:34:17 UTC

you might be right

2017-10-26 20:34:22 UTC

but there's something about the real thing

2017-10-26 20:34:43 UTC

about handling the real structural timbers with your hands and manipualting them, and carving existence and memories from them

2017-10-26 20:35:28 UTC

i agree its really cool i just never saw it done right and i never was in one to begin with...i always see small bathrooms, weird kitchens without enough counterspace and low ceilings ...fix that and youre good

2017-10-26 20:35:32 UTC

cuz you're totally right, man... there are many easier simpler ways to build a house

2017-10-26 20:35:42 UTC

i just dont see good floor plans

2017-10-26 20:35:47 UTC

yeah I know what you mean

2017-10-26 20:36:08 UTC

and there are many older homes that are timber frames, that have older standards of accommodation

2017-10-26 20:36:11 UTC

you know what I mean?

2017-10-26 20:36:28 UTC

yeah i feels you

2017-10-26 20:36:39 UTC

like I live in Utah and there are houses out here built a 100 years ago people are still living in

2017-10-26 20:36:44 UTC

the kitchens and rooms all feel so small

2017-10-26 20:36:54 UTC

kind of like when my ancestors came to the US they were a good half foot shorter at least on average than i am

2017-10-26 20:36:58 UTC

but back then people were just happy to have a warm place in the winter

2017-10-26 20:37:14 UTC

Yeah I'm a tall guy... I need 8' walls at least

2017-10-26 20:37:39 UTC

like a full bed might be nice for some people but i just dont fit comfortably

2017-10-26 20:37:49 UTC

yeah

2017-10-26 20:38:04 UTC

but if you were living back in the day, on the American Frontier, you're basically camping

2017-10-26 20:38:13 UTC

and you'd be happy sleeping on pretty much ANY bed

2017-10-26 20:38:35 UTC

its a paradox where big strong men want to build homes that smaller weaker ones design but they dont realize until its too late the house isnt suited for them

2017-10-26 20:38:46 UTC

that's kind of what I mean... I like seeing how far we can go pairing things down to the bare essentials

2017-10-26 20:39:20 UTC

yeah I'm pretty thorough. I don't think that'll happen to me

2017-10-26 20:39:57 UTC

I have a pretty good lay man's overview of basic archtectural principles, and layout design. We'll just have to see

2017-10-26 20:40:12 UTC

but it is something I want to get good at

2017-10-26 20:40:27 UTC

I don't want to build junk, so I'll have to spend a few grand getting educated

2017-10-26 20:40:29 UTC

i dont doubt that you do and its super easy to visualize or markout if you alreasy have the ability as an artist

2017-10-26 20:40:44 UTC

yeah man, and I'm a sketchup pro

2017-10-26 20:40:44 UTC

lol

2017-10-26 20:41:09 UTC

I think if you plan the house out well at first, you won't have floorpsace issues, in spite of the thicker walls

2017-10-26 20:41:43 UTC

well that was about logs construction the walls are an issue

2017-10-26 20:42:30 UTC

timber frame has the same floor plan issues but you can make a larger home but you are bound by timber length etc

2017-10-26 20:43:59 UTC

i also dont usually talk to people about these things so could you give me feedback ..orchid obviously thought i was being a dick

2017-10-26 20:44:40 UTC

I think he was just worried you were going to pick a fight

2017-10-26 20:44:47 UTC

it almost seemed like that at first

2017-10-26 20:45:01 UTC

"ayo hol'up... STICK FRAMING IS THE SHIT!"

2017-10-26 20:45:04 UTC

lol

2017-10-26 20:45:19 UTC

yeah im like goddam it if this guy is going to spread a larp

2017-10-26 20:45:20 UTC

but clearly that didn't happen

2017-10-26 20:45:36 UTC

dude yeah a lot of the log enthusiasts are just larpers

2017-10-26 20:45:42 UTC

because they're attracted to the image of it

2017-10-26 20:45:46 UTC

it's like a video game to them

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