also feel free to ask, i think im probably the resident gun nut here

I just like buying in ((bulk)) ✡️

@Orchid what book is that 1 and 5 acre diagram from?

no idea, the pic just gets endlessly circulated on 4chan

5 acres is our target

that's the goal we're working towards

based doggos

Look at those dogs

Fucking BASED

Doggo knows what's up

Woke AF

The fox is the jew behind the corruption of canine kind. While the aryan shepherd and the retriever concern themselves with a productive and symbiotic existence with man. The fox contents himself with lurking in the shadows within the habitation of man. He employs his cunning and deceit to steal and propagate his parasitic existence off of the labors of man. The fox evolved within the realm of the dog in the same way that the eternal wanderer evolved within the realm of man. The jew is a hominid parody of the fox as is the reverse. The noble breeds, allies of man, do not question whether egalitarian consideration should be granted the fox. The dog attacks and drives out the fox out of pure inherent instinct. He sees in the fox a perverted reflection of himself, and knows the threat the fox's existence poses his two legged master. Food for thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB3eKSX1uMk

lol i thought earth-ship was just a metaphor

@Orchid it's some stupid hippie housing building style if I remover correctly

read a fictional book about it

tbh i'd rather just have a fuckin log cabin than an earthship

i like that rustic feel

wait the video doesn't even explain what it is

is it just a mud hut and tires?

i guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV7pmE4MC-I&t=734s

it's just sustainable housing

that is a dream house

Makin the most of my suburban condo lel. Photo taken a few months ago, tomato plants are now about 3 feet tall and have completely over taken that raised planter. Need to wrap them in a plastic cover or move them into a greenhouse shelf to hopefully keep them alive through the winter, but space is a big problem for me

nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3Qx9j5M-E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJNu1geGU6A

This may be a touchy subject for one or two of you but

Any money in fur farming?

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge on mink or fox farming? Seems like it would be highly profitable in the PNW. How hard could it be raising fluffy weasels?

I don't really have any reservations about it

For that matter we could farm fish like trout or catfish. If we are in for the long haul, we could even do sturgeon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88aDJFdUjH4&t=329s
https://www.marshallbergfarm.com/

ginseng is another possible cash crop. it takes 3-5 years to mature, but then it's worth a few hundred dollars a pound. http://www.hardingsginsengfarm.com/

I'm originally from NC, I know a bit about growing tobacco. Could brush up on what I already know, give us another cash crop

a lot of people pay good money for fresh tobacco

selling tobacco would cause the atf to go should deep in our asses. I'd rather not have the group responsible for waco around our town.

shoulder

true

fucking feds

On that note preferably I'd like to give the ATF no reason to worry about us. I think it goes without saying absolutely zero tolerance for illegal narcotics

No, I don't want any degenerate druggies in our community

fur industry is good

I could totally see myself having a mink cage up there. My fiancée loves fur coats

you'd need 30 or 40 for a coat.

Do farmers usually just sell the pelts to the companies that make them?

i personally dont see the purpose to raise an animal in order to beat it to death to sell it for fur...i mean its a real easy way to make women of any political leaning be turned off from it...

and mink coats can cost anywhere between 5 and 10 grand but thats retail and it usually sits on the rack for months or years so the retailer will need to make most of the money otherwise they wouldnt hold it ...plus there are always a ton at pawn shops so i really dont see it as a real valuable product to make new

@K_Wagner

(((they))) are winning the fur industry. Gucci is the latest (and biggest) to drop fur as part of their sortiment. Armani, Calvin Klein and multiple other major designers have all stopped using fur.

I know this because my home area is a large fur producer in Finland. Many farms are shutting down now since the supply is larger than the demand and prices aren't high enough to yield a profit.

That's fuckin gay

Modernity blows, man..

Treehuggers and hippies man...

https://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2017/10/12/gucci-slopar-palsarna-djurrattsaktivisterna-jublar

Here's an article in Swedish

You can run it through Google translate though

Thanks, I will. This makes me want to go work in a slaughter house for a few weeks just to offset the cringe.

Fur is still doing pretty good in the east asian market isn't it? Maybe they'd like some American-raised fur that isn't from dogs.

Agh.. Hate this damn era

slaughterhouse is humane for the most part ...killing minks for fur is about as far from humane as you can get

http://www.chichesterinc.com/Mink.htm @Orchid I believe they have a warehouse in toronto. I went there a few times with my dad as a kid, could you check out their operation and report back?

The 3 problems I see with mink farming are feeding them, volitale comoditity prices and processing the carcasses. They only eat meat and they need a lot of it as they grow up and while they are breeding. Fur prices could plummet hard in the next crash, so it's not recession proof. From what i've read they smell awful and butchering them makes you smell like them for a week.

Regarding fur farming, rabbits are a really good option

Grow fast, meat tastes good

I can second that, rabbit is delicious and you get fur and even feet to sell as trinkets

Pretty easy to care for too

As well as the fact that they don't stop reproducing

They can't be our main source of protien see:://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

As someone who has rabbits, I can tell you they're honestly the best option for fur and lean protein. Breed and grow quickly (obviously), and depending on which you breed, you can actually make some remarkably fat rabbits, or some very nice furs. Havanas are generally the best for non-wool furs (they don't shed so much after death, uniform fur length and texture, easier to skin without damaging the pelt) and are fairly decently sized. If you want meat rabbits, I'd say New Zealand Lops, or the Giant Chinchilla. Again, decent fur (though not as much as Havanas), but it's better for non-sale furs. So our own furs.
And, you're a fucking moron if you think quality fur comes from mistreated animals. Beating the animal prior to death causes swelling, hematomas, etc., all of which will both weaken the skin (and therefore cause weak points in the coat and potential holes while skinning) and risk matting and dirtying the fur.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Chinchilla_rabbit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Havana_rabbit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Alaska_rabbit

Spaced so as to not spam.

I really don't understand the stigma in fur farming. Like you said, the rabbits are treated well like any other livestock, it just happens to be that there fur is harvested. Cows' hides can be used for leather, and chicken feather can be used as down, how is that any different?

Generally duck or goose is better for down, but yeah. I honestly only have a problem with it when it's wasteful, but- Rabbit is edible, and good, and sustainable. They can't eat _all_ the things that might otherwise go in a rubbishpile or compost bin (rhubarb leaves come to mind), but they're great to give peelings and the sort to. I would just say to stay away from angoras, as they're honestly more trouble than they're worth and a very inbred... breed. Lots of troubles for them, since they had such a small pool.

And on the issue of rabbit-lean, generally that's a problem with wild rabbits more than kept ones. Kept rabbits, while lean, can be roasted in their own fat, or paired with birds like quail or chicken to compensate. Or, you know. Olive oil, butter, etc etc...

Rabbits are delicious too.

When prepared correctly.

@Nix thanks for calling me a fucking moron when talking about minks...i mean we arent talking about your rabbits that are domesticated ...most minks are wild animals and yes they are beaten to death maybe not anymore but in the recent past they have been ...i like how you pass judgements on topics that are apples to oranges

No, not at all. You apparently didn't read what I said. To quote:
`you're a fucking moron if you think quality fur comes from mistreated animals`
No quality fur supplier would beat or otherwise torment their animals. The people who actually produce quality goods-- read, NOT the Chinese-- treat their animals with care and respect. A sick, ill-kept, or otherwise poor animal produces poor fur. Minks are not _beaten_ to death in the wild, either. They are caught by foot or neck snares, or in cages, so as to best preserve the quality of their fur.

ok not a big deal i dont think we will ever be advanced enough to invest in foot or neck snares to catch mink anyway...rabbits have a higher utility as you said...i just dont see the point of minks and i was trying to change the subject honestly all i know is a decade ago i saw a man chasing minks on a beach beating them to death...it may not be the most common practice but im worried that that is what it might turn into without untrained people that read an online post and say i should raise minks for fur what could go wrong

Oh, you can make simple snares from twine and a sapling. They're not very advanced at all.
Yeah. I am glad we can agree that rabbits are a higher utility, and don't let decade-old peta videos give you the impression that's at all the norm. Most modern people who deal with utility animals do try to be humane, even if it's not always compassionate.

haha you can make snares but getting the animal to go into it is another case...anyways i didnt want to pretend to be an expert on anything animal related the truth is is that anything animal related is not a sore subject to me but i understand it is for most like how halal butchers are considered inhumane in this day and age....and im not saying you would mistreat animals but if someone does its like the mark of the beast in society and it would really hurt our reputation, especially if we relied some part onhelp from city people who dont know how food makes it to the grocery

Oh, it always is, which is why people farm animals instead of hunt them, most of the time.
True, and I see what you mean on that count, but at the same time we wouldn't necessarily need to use the rabbits for sale to city people. Fur is an amazing insulator, (hats, gloves, etc etc); and the rabbit itself is good to eat and easy to maintain. But, humanely sourced fur is always going to be a commodity, and rabbit's paws and fur caps will generally sell fairly well, even as just novelty items.

if you have experience actually creating these items ...would you mind letting me know the necessary tools you need because i wouldnt assume a regular sowing machine would cut it...assuming youd stitch a liner on a hat or gloves...or is it really full on davey crockett where you just wear the furs

I am actually attempting to learn to stitch furs and leathers. As far as I understand, it depends greatly on the variety of fur you use-- a deerskin jacket/pants/etc will be very different from rabbit mittens or hats. I know certain varieties need leather-and-leather, or you have to use industrial grade needles and thread, while some need awls... But, as it is, I am only learning and am no expert there. Keeping rabbits? Great! I can answer lots. Using furs? Ehm... Working on it. But the degree comes first.

But with a hat, a liner would make it easier to wash, knowing that just from other sewing items.

ok yeah i just looked at your bio... cool stuff yeah id definitely be looking for learn more from you in time...

raising ducks would be useful for selling pillows, especially to hipsterfags

They're also absolutely delicious.

huh

i've never had duck

Try it with jam or marmalade

Personally, I find duck to be too greasy. It'd be great for rendered fat and pillow down.

Had duck the other night, rendered all the fat and saved it. Tried a brine but it was a bit much, still good though.

you can create a system too with hydroponics to use rabbit urine as fertilizer for plants to be even more efficient

@ram3n duck and goat cheese is some top notch stuff

@Roman Dreams how do you milk a duck?

@dsp fries it I wasn't clear-- I like eating duck with goat cheese on top

So are emus out of the question? It has the bonus of keeping the Aussies away too.

Also big eggs

Not nearly as many as with chickens though

LOL

No, they are too large and we don't even know what they taste like.

Guard dogs to be replaced with emus. HELL YEAH!

we can ride ostriches around the town as well

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pu8JB3XX4OI

If you guys are gonna shitpost, at least do it in <#359497590628417536> or <#359431474572820482> .

@dsp fries it >he thinks ostrich riding is a meme

okay foot walker

@Roman Dreams what if we bred grey wolves to be as big as dire wolves and rode them? It would be super based.
The reason ostriches wouldn't work is the difference in geography and temperature. They would never work in the PNW, maybe arizona but not in a place that receives snow and has a winter low below 10F.

this is a sad truth

We must breed winter ostriches

Aryan ostriches

No joke but I went to the ostrich farm here in az and it was nuts. You don't realize how big those birds are until you're right by them. Dinosaurs are real, and they make amazing jerky.

dinosaurs are a myth and the earth is 6000 years old max

don't believe the science jew

^ also adam lived 800yrs

I actually asked a priest about bible life spans and he said they just used a different calendar

kid me never realized that the modern calendar wouldn't be around thousands of years ago

That's what they always told me in school too.

Which, aint it based off of womena periods

Europe pagans had always had a near 30 day month due to womens cycles

Unless its a completely dif rhythm

we still do have 30-day months

just some are 31

and every now and then 29 to compensate for systematic discrepancies

the same goes for clocks being given 'extra' seconds etc now and then

in the past the hyper accuracy never mattered all that much, apart from agricultural reasons, and even then most of it was done by 'feel', aka 'harvest when it's READY, not when the calendar sais so'

nowadays we need micro-second accurate timekeeping, even keeping doppler shifts, and RELATIVITY in mind, for something as simple as GPS

sattelites in space move faster than us on the surface, relatively, and thus, time goes slower for the sattelite than for us, and that needs to be accounted for.

there's actually alot of 'happy coincidences' about timescales on earth, having a tidally locked moon for example, and the fact that our year fits SUPER neatly into a base-12 system, resulting in 12 months, with each month having a rotation of the moon around the earth; the moons rotation around the earth being almost perfectly synched up with the earth's rotation is one of those happy coincidences

it's SUPER consistent, and that consistency is likely the reason so much in life is based on that system, animals, fish, trees, seasons, tides.

and yes, women.

/end rant

I guess calendars are relevant to homesteading so i'll talk about it

I think we should reform the calendar though to the George Eastman calendar

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar

13 months, 28 days every time, no shifting holidays from month to month

I know this group will accuse it of bugman

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-calendar/

but this is just good organization and gets rid of confusions

we could even adopt the calendar and rename months in honor of significant figures (August obviously needs to remain for Augustus)

@chris#0919 the old system used lunar months, which happen to be close

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmqaXkCtl2E

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=173s&v=XExSaPJnOIQ