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2017-09-22 00:44:33 UTC

We could use pine tar.

2017-09-22 00:44:46 UTC


2017-09-22 00:46:19 UTC

There are flame resistant chemicals that can be sprayed or painted on.

2017-09-22 00:49:18 UTC

These are temporary house for people to sleep in while they build better ones. The plan so far is that a few guys go out next april to start clearing land and grow food.

2017-09-22 00:52:17 UTC

We shouldnt have date plans right now

2017-09-22 00:53:59 UTC

But next April should be fine I guess

2017-09-22 00:54:51 UTC

@Ghostler I agree. However, moving to the PNW in the winter isn't possible and summer is too late to get any food grown.

2017-09-22 01:00:49 UTC

Not to be a damper on our agrarian zeal, but if we are mainly focused on building housing the first summer it is understandable if we do not get any farming done. We can live off canned stuff and stored provisions until we can crops up and running.

2017-09-22 01:02:36 UTC

@K_Wagner it's 2 weeks to get everything planted then the occansional watering and weeding. plus if a few people go then they can work in two groups.

2017-09-22 14:39:11 UTC


2017-09-22 14:39:48 UTC

of course the first things we should plant should be hearty vegetables and maybe fruits

2017-09-22 14:39:59 UTC

potatoes, corn, etc

2017-09-22 15:02:16 UTC

@ram3n it really depends on the place we go to. Root vegetables like potatos or carrots don't do well with waterlogged soil. As far as fruits I think we should focus on fruit trees that are true to seed. Those would include apricots, peaches, some plums and sour cherries. All of these trees are self fruitful and true to seed. Later we can focus on pomme fruits like pears and apples. We should also look into nut trees. Walnuts, hickory nuts, hazelnuts and chestnuts should all be possible.

2017-09-22 15:30:34 UTC


2017-09-22 19:29:42 UTC

It's interesting to see the professional versions of these as opposed to "yeah just pull the leg here and cut here and boom got yourself a pigeon"

2017-09-23 04:51:50 UTC

just found this channel with alot of cool videos:

2017-09-23 18:35:27 UTC


2017-09-24 00:37:10 UTC


2017-09-24 16:23:02 UTC

Have you guys seen the free homesteading plots in the Midwest?

2017-09-24 16:23:08 UTC


2017-09-24 16:23:19 UTC

I'll copy and paste from our Discord

2017-09-24 16:23:51 UTC

"The city of Marquette, Kansas is offering free building lots to families
who are looking for a really great small town, in the heart of America,
to call home. The building lots are located in a development on the
west edge of town with beautiful, open views of evening sunsets and
the Smoky Valley"
You must already be a family man, as the introduction suggests. Here's a link to the application: http://www.freelandks.com/files/city_of_marquette_land_application.docx.pdf
Definitely a compelling program, though
"The city has waived all utility hook-up fees and there is no building
permit fee. All utilities, including natural gas, will be on the property."

2017-09-24 16:23:53 UTC

I found other free lot offers in other town in Kansas, and also in Nebraska, Ohio, and Iowa
Some articles criticizing the free lots mainly focus on the obstacles that established families have to relocation - not being able to find an equivalent job in their field, not being able to sell their old home and build a new one, etc

2017-09-24 16:25:22 UTC


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2017-09-24 16:25:53 UTC

You'd need to have the funds to build the houses, but ... free land!

2017-09-24 21:49:41 UTC

That's so great

2017-09-24 21:49:47 UTC

Makes me wish I was a burger lol

2017-09-24 21:49:53 UTC

@Yung Koala where do you live

2017-09-24 21:49:57 UTC


2017-09-24 21:50:01 UTC

*I was born here*

2017-09-24 21:50:06 UTC

oh god

2017-09-24 21:50:10 UTC

i feel bad for you

2017-09-24 21:50:14 UTC
2017-09-24 21:51:23 UTC

Sweden :(((

2017-09-24 21:52:04 UTC

I-I know

2017-09-25 00:48:49 UTC

theres something really romantic about how alcohol is made

2017-09-25 00:49:12 UTC

i barely drink myself but I really want to make whisky or beer someday

2017-09-25 00:49:18 UTC


2017-09-25 00:49:24 UTC

maybe sell it to hipsters for a good profit

2017-09-25 00:49:30 UTC


2017-09-25 00:49:41 UTC

"traditional, home-made whiskey"

2017-09-25 00:50:07 UTC

i just need me a nice cuban cigar

2017-09-25 00:50:29 UTC

la gloria cubana

2017-09-25 00:51:07 UTC

@Orchid good luck getting a license to make and sell your whiskey.

2017-09-25 00:52:28 UTC

I've made beer, it's not as glamorous as it looks.

2017-09-25 01:06:06 UTC

ayy portugal :) my homeland

2017-09-30 06:31:38 UTC

that looks delicious

2017-09-30 16:22:29 UTC


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2017-10-01 14:54:37 UTC


2017-10-01 14:55:22 UTC

how many people can live off 1 acre? 4?

2017-10-01 14:58:22 UTC

i doubt it

2017-10-01 15:00:05 UTC

it depends on the climate and soil, and wether or not you want to eat meat because meat is alot harder to produce per calorie than crops

2017-10-01 15:00:51 UTC

also you dont want to push the land you have to its limit because that leads to food insecurity

2017-10-01 15:01:30 UTC

chicken doesn't need much space

2017-10-01 15:01:33 UTC

and you could still hunt

2017-10-01 15:15:07 UTC

you also need to produce your own firewood

2017-10-01 15:15:46 UTC

true but i would get solar panels

2017-10-01 15:16:10 UTC

safe me some of work

2017-10-01 15:28:33 UTC

You don't need to cut trees

2017-10-01 15:28:46 UTC

You can always use the ones that have collapsed

2017-10-01 15:29:26 UTC

Cutting trees is only fine if it is an emergency

2017-10-01 15:53:14 UTC

@_CREWMAN do you have any higher quality versions of that first picture?

2017-10-01 15:54:14 UTC

Nope, searched it every where

2017-10-01 15:54:23 UTC


2017-10-01 16:02:43 UTC

shamelessly stolen from the maine discord

2017-10-01 17:42:04 UTC


2017-10-01 17:42:20 UTC

Did my first hydroponic harvest today. Lots of spinach and lettuce.

2017-10-01 18:09:04 UTC

Very nice!

2017-10-01 18:09:46 UTC

thats really cool

2017-10-01 18:21:00 UTC


2017-10-01 18:32:48 UTC

You need 1 acre to support one family for 1 year, if I remember correctly πŸ€”

2017-10-01 18:32:55 UTC

or it was 1 person.. Can't recall

2017-10-01 18:46:34 UTC

it seriously depends

2017-10-01 18:46:54 UTC

if you're neeting it up hardcore in the middle of nowhere, maybe

2017-10-01 18:47:25 UTC

once you are looking at even a small community growing, it gets a lot easier, you need a lot less land

2017-10-01 18:48:44 UTC

theres a pretty vibrant small scale farming community on the jewtubes, look at urban farming for small footprint stuff, check out polyface farms for alternative ranching ideas

2017-10-01 18:49:26 UTC

joel salatin is probably a nut, but he runs a successful ranch in a sustainable manner

2017-10-01 18:51:23 UTC

1 acre for 1 family might be enough if youre good

2017-10-01 18:51:56 UTC

an acre is a lot of land

2017-10-01 18:52:08 UTC

if you are growing wheat or corn, sure, acreage is key

2017-10-01 18:52:58 UTC

t. farmers son, for what its worth

2017-10-01 19:55:33 UTC

Wouldn't it be ideal for a community to exist and each family/person specialize is growing their own thing instead of everything diversifying like crazy on their own plots

2017-10-01 19:55:56 UTC

I mean that would help foster growth for an economy within our hypothetical homestead community too so

2017-10-01 19:58:06 UTC

Here's a good infograph for what you can do with what kind of achreage.


2017-10-01 19:59:19 UTC

@nERO I imagine that will happen naturally, people do what theyre best at and trade for the rest

2017-10-01 19:59:36 UTC

or do whatever is the most profitable

2017-10-01 20:07:34 UTC

thats a really good graphic cdemir

2017-10-01 20:33:38 UTC

nero, yeah, basically in small farming communities it breaks out like that, if we arent talking about going full luddite or assuming that america falls apart tomorrow, most folks can get by with a victory garden that produces the interesting parts of their meals, while your full time farmers will grow staple crops/ranch animals/manage orchards

2017-10-01 20:34:59 UTC

most broadleaf salad greens grow fast and expire/bolt quickly, so everyone growing spinach is silly

2017-10-01 20:35:32 UTC

with things like tomatoes/squash/cukes, you are looking at canning/pickling to preserve them

2017-10-01 20:36:32 UTC

taters are conditionable, beans/corn are dryable, wheat is storable, but you need an exponential amount of land for those

2017-10-01 20:37:48 UTC

a lot of these infogormphics assume that you're just going to grow what you eat now, ie a shitload of corn and wheat

2017-10-01 20:39:54 UTC

even living a 'simpler' life, you'd probably have a half acre at best of farmed land, some chickens in a chicken tractor, and you'd supliment your diet with weekly visits to the farmers market to sell your excess/socialize with people

2017-10-01 20:42:10 UTC

i dont particularly ascribe to the 'build a huwhite community in the wilderness and relearn how to make the wheel' ideal that tends to get thrown around

2017-10-01 20:42:34 UTC

yeah were not doing that

2017-10-01 20:42:47 UTC

a few people seemed to want that but what they do is up to them

2017-10-01 20:43:04 UTC

it might be the american in me, but damn if im more than a couple hours from a costco thats probably a no go

2017-10-01 20:43:05 UTC

we just want a sustainable community

2017-10-01 20:43:39 UTC

and this is coming from someone who has raised chickens from chick to processing

2017-10-01 20:43:55 UTC

im unwilling to walk too far backwards

2017-10-01 20:44:54 UTC

the urban farming stuff on the tubes is great info for what can be done on an acre, and what an acre actually looks like, curtis green is a hippie fuck, but he actually works his plots in most of his vids, and i think he's still under an acre total

2017-10-01 20:46:05 UTC

whos curtis green, youtube search doesnt give me anything

2017-10-01 20:46:15 UTC

curtis stone, excuse me

2017-10-01 20:46:29 UTC

oh i saw his vids

2017-10-01 20:46:38 UTC

understand that his business model preys on hipsters

2017-10-01 20:46:48 UTC

but its still valid if you're close enough to a big city

2017-10-01 20:47:18 UTC

he cash crops salad greens and rare-ish veggies mostly for upscale restaurant consumption

2017-10-01 20:48:27 UTC

you also have jean-martin fortier who mass markets on >10 acres in quebec

2017-10-01 20:50:01 UTC

they require a perpetual supply of chemical fertalizers though dont they?

2017-10-01 20:50:06 UTC

haha nope

2017-10-01 20:50:13 UTC

just compost?

2017-10-01 20:50:20 UTC

their appeal is organic no-till

2017-10-01 20:50:53 UTC

the reason jm fortier makes bank is because they can advertise as full organic, they dont even use a tractor to prep beds

2017-10-01 20:51:03 UTC

im pretty amazed they can make that much food

2017-10-01 20:51:30 UTC

the really nice thing about a lot of the urban guys, is that you have to grow holistically in those locations or you burn out your soil immediately

2017-10-01 20:52:23 UTC

your backyard suburban lot doesnt have 200 years of loam in it to suck dry, so you have to take different steps

2017-10-01 20:52:46 UTC

i mean, the big farm guys could do this too, but its economy of scale

2017-10-01 20:53:28 UTC

if you have 1000 acres of corn, if you cant get a linear return on investment(money or time), you arent going to do it

2017-10-01 20:53:53 UTC

these dudes working small land, they dont have the option or manpower to just buy more land and plant more crops

2017-10-01 20:54:59 UTC

1000 acre guy isnt going to spend 900 bucks to make 905 bucks, not when he can just crank up the john deere cornfucker 9000 and print subsidy money

2017-10-01 20:56:41 UTC

yeah and only so many people care about organic food

2017-10-01 20:56:46 UTC


2017-10-01 20:57:10 UTC

and no one really cares about organic corn, or if farmer moneybags used a clean fert or not

2017-10-01 20:57:40 UTC

chemical ferts arent satan, they're just really easy to use as a crutch

2017-10-01 20:57:44 UTC

do you think soil erosion is a serious problem on a global scale?

2017-10-01 20:58:25 UTC

i think that monocropping on a large scale is the underlying concern behind the increaing lack of arribility in US farmland

2017-10-01 20:59:00 UTC

this falls back to a basically unsolvable governmental issue of farm subsidy

2017-10-01 20:59:46 UTC

in life, once an easy solution to a problem has been implimented, you're never going to be able to take it away or go back to the hard solution

2017-10-01 21:00:20 UTC

yeah that sums up a lot of our problems today

2017-10-01 21:00:45 UTC

the corn subsidy ensures that we have X amount of corn every year, because fuck we eat a lot of corn products

2017-10-01 21:01:20 UTC

however, we actually get X+Y every year, because that guarenteed money from the subsidy outprices and outcompetes large farms taking risks on other crops

2017-10-01 21:01:41 UTC

so, how do you tell the guys producing Y to fuck off?

2017-10-01 21:01:44 UTC

you cant

2017-10-01 21:01:53 UTC

you cant choose who you subsidize

2017-10-01 21:02:02 UTC

you are subsidising the crop, not the farmer

2017-10-01 21:02:18 UTC

this is why there's corn ethanol in your gasoline btw

2017-10-01 21:02:31 UTC

gotta do something with those doritos that werent

2017-10-01 21:02:45 UTC

the farmers must be aware of the dangers of monocropping though, are they doing anything about it?

2017-10-01 21:02:57 UTC

most farmers are up to their fucking eyeballs in debt

2017-10-01 21:03:06 UTC

oh dang

2017-10-01 21:03:13 UTC

all they CAN worry about is making payments

2017-10-01 21:03:36 UTC

arent the farmers also the ones that demand subsities from their representatives?

2017-10-01 21:03:54 UTC

well yeah, its gibs

2017-10-01 21:04:08 UTC

but everyone wants gibs from their reps

2017-10-01 21:04:43 UTC

you gonna vote for someone who says 'fuck this state we live in im going to washington and when they start handing out money im not gonna ask for a cent to help our people out'

2017-10-01 21:05:17 UTC

its not like your state rep is up on capitol hill with a gun robbing the government

2017-10-01 21:05:53 UTC

heres the amount of money the government is going to spend on the states this year, you want some of this money or nah?

2017-10-01 21:06:16 UTC

its money the government has collected from your citizens as tax, after all

2017-10-01 21:06:50 UTC

shits complicated man

2017-10-01 21:06:53 UTC


2017-10-01 21:07:02 UTC

i dont even know what to think of this problem

2017-10-01 21:07:11 UTC

other than that our subisities are fucked up

2017-10-01 21:07:22 UTC

realistically, you want your rep to ask for money to go to good causes, instead of bridges to nowhere

2017-10-01 21:07:45 UTC

but do you want a rep who doesnt bring home ANY new jobs or money, or ones that bring home some jobs and money

2017-10-01 21:08:09 UTC

the first one is a bad husband, divorce him

2017-10-01 21:08:27 UTC

I feel like our country is just too big, nobody cares any more, they just want a slice of the money

2017-10-01 21:08:45 UTC

well, yeah, but thats human history

2017-10-01 21:08:51 UTC

dunbar's number is a thing

2017-10-01 21:09:05 UTC

perhaps if states had greater control this would be less of a problem

2017-10-01 21:09:21 UTC

instead of the federal governemnt taking the money and then giving it back in such a messy process

2017-10-01 21:09:25 UTC

my people tried that idea a while back

2017-10-01 21:09:36 UTC


2017-10-01 21:11:12 UTC

i think that the small government conservative states rights folks definitely have it closer to correct than the alternatives, but no system is perfect

2017-10-01 21:11:37 UTC

no system is immune from bad constituents I guess

2017-10-01 21:11:56 UTC

its incredibly hard to vote with your feet these days though, and that is one of the appeals of states rights

2017-10-01 21:12:28 UTC

dont like what the state's doing? move to one that better aligns with your views

2017-10-01 21:12:39 UTC

but man thats an expensive suggestion

2017-10-01 21:12:46 UTC

but moving away from the federal government is alot harder

2017-10-01 21:12:56 UTC

yeah, sort of

2017-10-01 21:14:10 UTC

this has been extremely informative so far

2017-10-05 20:14:33 UTC


2017-10-07 21:29:35 UTC

If anyone could help find a good data base for phyto related articles or plant filtering systems

2017-10-09 22:13:14 UTC

For those interested in homesteading, I recommend researching hydroponics and/or verticle farming

2017-10-09 22:14:49 UTC

could be a useful supplement to your homestead stategy

2017-10-10 04:32:26 UTC

I HIGHLY recommend reading "teaming with microbes" by Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis

2017-10-10 04:33:03 UTC

It will completely change the way you look at soil and the life within it

2017-10-10 23:36:45 UTC

Not as hard as you may think. Buy up land, divide it into smaller parcels, build houses, sell them to a few dozen of our own, bring in more people and build some facilities, set up a council, hold a vote to incorporate into a single town, become a town.

2017-10-10 23:40:13 UTC

An unincorporated community gets its services from the county without paying municipal taxes, so frivolous town-founding can be a bad idea. Why might you want to incorporate? First, you could be heading off annexation by a nearby city. The residents of what is now DISH, Texas were afraid of being annexed by Fort Worth. If their land had become part of the city, they'd have faced the high property taxes used to cover social services in less affluent areas. Second, unincorporated communities have very little control over what gets built in the area. But towns can control their own zoningβ€”and thereby protect their property values.

2017-10-10 23:40:28 UTC

Essentially, building a town from scratch = total freedom

2017-10-10 23:41:33 UTC

The hardest part will be getting around a hundred or so people to justify incorporating as a town. We can start with what we have and grow from there.

2017-10-10 23:55:03 UTC

Just throwing a proposal out there, since our plan is always evolving --
1.) Buy up a large property far enough for noninterference of existing towns but close enough to use their hospitals and other facilities if needed.
2.) Divide the property into several smaller parcels, some residential and on which build cheap housing that can be upgraded later.
3.) Found a church which can apply for tax exemptions and later run the community school and even a clinic in time, and also handle tax exempt donation collection.
4.) Build a general store to which a member of the community can make runs from nearby towns to bring in supplies as needed.
5.) Establish a manufactury/agricultural/lumber/etc facility to provide an income for the community via exports and also to create jobs for our settlers. Establish community plots for growing additional subsistence crops.
6.) Expand the housing plots until we have around a hundred people.
7.) Build an office or beer hall or whatever to be the community meeting place and hold an incorporation vote.

Just like that we have an ethno-community that we completely control with no pesky liberals or minorities. No one can move in because we won't put our property for sale or build new housing until we have more of our own like minded people coming in. We have an entire homogenous town in which we can raise white nationalist families and vote to implement whatever policies we like. We can fly our own freaking flag from town hall, host nationalist conferences, and open a third reich museum if we feel like it. The sky is the limit and nothing here is far fetched. Just something to think about. We can honestly do this.

2017-10-11 03:03:46 UTC


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2017-10-11 03:08:14 UTC

all on only one acre

2017-10-11 17:00:29 UTC

That picture is a goal to attain

2017-10-11 21:39:59 UTC

@K_Wagner that's really interesting for town building, but again we'll need funding. I'm sure some white societies would be willing to donate to such a thing

2017-10-11 21:40:18 UTC

or some organization some where would be willing to give money for such a cause if we made a more solid plan

2017-10-11 21:46:13 UTC

where can we get a lawyer though to help with the papers?

2017-10-11 22:31:58 UTC

It would be nice to have our own lawyer within our own group, one of ours.

2017-10-13 21:23:22 UTC

Money or land. If you build it, they will come.

2017-10-14 07:27:10 UTC

why not both ^^

2017-10-14 13:12:47 UTC

five acre version


2017-10-15 04:57:59 UTC

love these

2017-10-15 19:09:20 UTC


2017-10-15 20:17:20 UTC

Biggest thing preventing me from homesteading is finding good affordable land that is near enough to the city to commute into work

2017-10-15 20:17:22 UTC


2017-10-15 20:18:03 UTC

Yeah that might be a problem for a lot of people

2017-10-15 20:19:49 UTC

I know it's possible to process your own foods/products, market them as organic, and make a fine living selling them. But getting to that point takes a big leap of faith or a lot of start up capital

2017-10-15 20:22:29 UTC

and considerable skill and experience

2017-10-16 03:05:28 UTC

someone posted this in the last thread, looks pretty badass


2017-10-16 03:05:34 UTC


2017-10-16 03:05:39 UTC

that actually looks

2017-10-16 03:05:40 UTC

p nice

2017-10-16 03:30:51 UTC

Very nice

2017-10-16 03:31:49 UTC

I've got a pantry full of canned foods/water/med supplies to last me+girlfriend+pets for 1 month of independance

2017-10-16 03:31:59 UTC

Unfortunately I don't own any firearms atm though

2017-10-16 03:33:22 UTC

I hear its a port of mormon rules to keep a year's supply of canned food stored at all times

2017-10-16 03:39:36 UTC

Yeah that is a very wise rule, I've just been throwing extra money at our supplies whenever I have it. I'll prioritize a few more months of supplies but I think I'm at the step where I need to acquire some guns+ammo

2017-10-16 04:16:37 UTC

guns are important tools

2017-10-16 04:17:30 UTC

scroll back though the tools section, ive rambled about baby's first gun, and a ton of other random shit in regards to my favorite tool

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