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We could use pine tar.
Indeed.
There are flame resistant chemicals that can be sprayed or painted on.
These are temporary house for people to sleep in while they build better ones. The plan so far is that a few guys go out next april to start clearing land and grow food.
We shouldnt have date plans right now
But next April should be fine I guess
@Ghostler I agree. However, moving to the PNW in the winter isn't possible and summer is too late to get any food grown.
Not to be a damper on our agrarian zeal, but if we are mainly focused on building housing the first summer it is understandable if we do not get any farming done. We can live off canned stuff and stored provisions until we can crops up and running.
@K_Wagner it's 2 weeks to get everything planted then the occansional watering and weeding. plus if a few people go then they can work in two groups.
yes
of course the first things we should plant should be hearty vegetables and maybe fruits
potatoes, corn, etc
@ram3n it really depends on the place we go to. Root vegetables like potatos or carrots don't do well with waterlogged soil. As far as fruits I think we should focus on fruit trees that are true to seed. Those would include apricots, peaches, some plums and sour cherries. All of these trees are self fruitful and true to seed. Later we can focus on pomme fruits like pears and apples. We should also look into nut trees. Walnuts, hickory nuts, hazelnuts and chestnuts should all be possible.
nice
It's interesting to see the professional versions of these as opposed to "yeah just pull the leg here and cut here and boom got yourself a pigeon"
just found this channel with alot of cool videos:
nice
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Have you guys seen the free homesteading plots in the Midwest?
nope
I'll copy and paste from our Discord
"The city of Marquette, Kansas is offering free building lots to families
who are looking for a really great small town, in the heart of America,
to call home. The building lots are located in a development on the
west edge of town with beautiful, open views of evening sunsets and
the Smoky Valley"
You must already be a family man, as the introduction suggests. Here's a link to the application: http://www.freelandks.com/files/city_of_marquette_land_application.docx.pdf
Definitely a compelling program, though
"The city has waived all utility hook-up fees and there is no building
permit fee. All utilities, including natural gas, will be on the property."
I found other free lot offers in other town in Kansas, and also in Nebraska, Ohio, and Iowa
Some articles criticizing the free lots mainly focus on the obstacles that established families have to relocation - not being able to find an equivalent job in their field, not being able to sell their old home and build a new one, etc
oh
nice
You'd need to have the funds to build the houses, but ... free land!
That's so great
Makes me wish I was a burger lol
@Yung Koala where do you live
Sweden
*I was born here*
oh god
i feel bad for you
Sweden :(((
I-I know
theres something really romantic about how alcohol is made
i barely drink myself but I really want to make whisky or beer someday
^
maybe sell it to hipsters for a good profit
yes
"traditional, home-made whiskey"
i just need me a nice cuban cigar
la gloria cubana
I've made beer, it's not as glamorous as it looks.
ayy portugal :) my homeland
that looks delicious
nice
how many people can live off 1 acre? 4?
i doubt it
it depends on the climate and soil, and wether or not you want to eat meat because meat is alot harder to produce per calorie than crops
also you dont want to push the land you have to its limit because that leads to food insecurity
chicken doesn't need much space
and you could still hunt
you also need to produce your own firewood
true but i would get solar panels
safe me some of work
You don't need to cut trees
You can always use the ones that have collapsed
Cutting trees is only fine if it is an emergency
@_CREWMAN do you have any higher quality versions of that first picture?
Nope, searched it every where
damn
shamelessly stolen from the maine discord
Did my first hydroponic harvest today. Lots of spinach and lettuce.
Very nice!
thats really cool
You need 1 acre to support one family for 1 year, if I remember correctly ๐ค
or it was 1 person.. Can't recall
it seriously depends
if you're neeting it up hardcore in the middle of nowhere, maybe
once you are looking at even a small community growing, it gets a lot easier, you need a lot less land
theres a pretty vibrant small scale farming community on the jewtubes, look at urban farming for small footprint stuff, check out polyface farms for alternative ranching ideas
joel salatin is probably a nut, but he runs a successful ranch in a sustainable manner
1 acre for 1 family might be enough if youre good
an acre is a lot of land
if you are growing wheat or corn, sure, acreage is key
t. farmers son, for what its worth
@neetkthx
Wouldn't it be ideal for a community to exist and each family/person specialize is growing their own thing instead of everything diversifying like crazy on their own plots
I mean that would help foster growth for an economy within our hypothetical homestead community too so
Here's a good infograph for what you can do with what kind of achreage.
@nERO I imagine that will happen naturally, people do what theyre best at and trade for the rest
or do whatever is the most profitable
thats a really good graphic cdemir
nero, yeah, basically in small farming communities it breaks out like that, if we arent talking about going full luddite or assuming that america falls apart tomorrow, most folks can get by with a victory garden that produces the interesting parts of their meals, while your full time farmers will grow staple crops/ranch animals/manage orchards
most broadleaf salad greens grow fast and expire/bolt quickly, so everyone growing spinach is silly
with things like tomatoes/squash/cukes, you are looking at canning/pickling to preserve them
taters are conditionable, beans/corn are dryable, wheat is storable, but you need an exponential amount of land for those
a lot of these infogormphics assume that you're just going to grow what you eat now, ie a shitload of corn and wheat
even living a 'simpler' life, you'd probably have a half acre at best of farmed land, some chickens in a chicken tractor, and you'd supliment your diet with weekly visits to the farmers market to sell your excess/socialize with people
i dont particularly ascribe to the 'build a huwhite community in the wilderness and relearn how to make the wheel' ideal that tends to get thrown around
yeah were not doing that
a few people seemed to want that but what they do is up to them
it might be the american in me, but damn if im more than a couple hours from a costco thats probably a no go
we just want a sustainable community
and this is coming from someone who has raised chickens from chick to processing
im unwilling to walk too far backwards
the urban farming stuff on the tubes is great info for what can be done on an acre, and what an acre actually looks like, curtis green is a hippie fuck, but he actually works his plots in most of his vids, and i think he's still under an acre total
whos curtis green, youtube search doesnt give me anything
curtis stone, excuse me
oh i saw his vids
understand that his business model preys on hipsters
but its still valid if you're close enough to a big city
he cash crops salad greens and rare-ish veggies mostly for upscale restaurant consumption
you also have jean-martin fortier who mass markets on >10 acres in quebec
they require a perpetual supply of chemical fertalizers though dont they?
haha nope
just compost?
their appeal is organic no-till
the reason jm fortier makes bank is because they can advertise as full organic, they dont even use a tractor to prep beds
im pretty amazed they can make that much food
the really nice thing about a lot of the urban guys, is that you have to grow holistically in those locations or you burn out your soil immediately
your backyard suburban lot doesnt have 200 years of loam in it to suck dry, so you have to take different steps
i mean, the big farm guys could do this too, but its economy of scale
if you have 1000 acres of corn, if you cant get a linear return on investment(money or time), you arent going to do it
these dudes working small land, they dont have the option or manpower to just buy more land and plant more crops
1000 acre guy isnt going to spend 900 bucks to make 905 bucks, not when he can just crank up the john deere cornfucker 9000 and print subsidy money
yeah and only so many people care about organic food
right
and no one really cares about organic corn, or if farmer moneybags used a clean fert or not
chemical ferts arent satan, they're just really easy to use as a crutch
do you think soil erosion is a serious problem on a global scale?
i think that monocropping on a large scale is the underlying concern behind the increaing lack of arribility in US farmland
this falls back to a basically unsolvable governmental issue of farm subsidy
in life, once an easy solution to a problem has been implimented, you're never going to be able to take it away or go back to the hard solution
yeah that sums up a lot of our problems today
the corn subsidy ensures that we have X amount of corn every year, because fuck we eat a lot of corn products
however, we actually get X+Y every year, because that guarenteed money from the subsidy outprices and outcompetes large farms taking risks on other crops
so, how do you tell the guys producing Y to fuck off?
you cant
you cant choose who you subsidize
you are subsidising the crop, not the farmer
this is why there's corn ethanol in your gasoline btw
gotta do something with those doritos that werent
the farmers must be aware of the dangers of monocropping though, are they doing anything about it?
most farmers are up to their fucking eyeballs in debt
oh dang
all they CAN worry about is making payments
arent the farmers also the ones that demand subsities from their representatives?
well yeah, its gibs
but everyone wants gibs from their reps
you gonna vote for someone who says 'fuck this state we live in im going to washington and when they start handing out money im not gonna ask for a cent to help our people out'
its not like your state rep is up on capitol hill with a gun robbing the government
heres the amount of money the government is going to spend on the states this year, you want some of this money or nah?
its money the government has collected from your citizens as tax, after all
shits complicated man
yeah
i dont even know what to think of this problem
other than that our subisities are fucked up
realistically, you want your rep to ask for money to go to good causes, instead of bridges to nowhere
but do you want a rep who doesnt bring home ANY new jobs or money, or ones that bring home some jobs and money
the first one is a bad husband, divorce him
I feel like our country is just too big, nobody cares any more, they just want a slice of the money
well, yeah, but thats human history
dunbar's number is a thing
perhaps if states had greater control this would be less of a problem
instead of the federal governemnt taking the money and then giving it back in such a messy process
my people tried that idea a while back
:dixie:
i think that the small government conservative states rights folks definitely have it closer to correct than the alternatives, but no system is perfect
no system is immune from bad constituents I guess
its incredibly hard to vote with your feet these days though, and that is one of the appeals of states rights
dont like what the state's doing? move to one that better aligns with your views
but man thats an expensive suggestion
but moving away from the federal government is alot harder
yeah, sort of
this has been extremely informative so far
If anyone could help find a good data base for phyto related articles or plant filtering systems
For those interested in homesteading, I recommend researching hydroponics and/or verticle farming
could be a useful supplement to your homestead stategy
I HIGHLY recommend reading "teaming with microbes" by Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis
It will completely change the way you look at soil and the life within it
Not as hard as you may think. Buy up land, divide it into smaller parcels, build houses, sell them to a few dozen of our own, bring in more people and build some facilities, set up a council, hold a vote to incorporate into a single town, become a town.
An unincorporated community gets its services from the county without paying municipal taxes, so frivolous town-founding can be a bad idea. Why might you want to incorporate? First, you could be heading off annexation by a nearby city. The residents of what is now DISH, Texas were afraid of being annexed by Fort Worth. If their land had become part of the city, they'd have faced the high property taxes used to cover social services in less affluent areas. Second, unincorporated communities have very little control over what gets built in the area. But towns can control their own zoningโand thereby protect their property values.
Essentially, building a town from scratch = total freedom
The hardest part will be getting around a hundred or so people to justify incorporating as a town. We can start with what we have and grow from there.
Just throwing a proposal out there, since our plan is always evolving --
1.) Buy up a large property far enough for noninterference of existing towns but close enough to use their hospitals and other facilities if needed.
2.) Divide the property into several smaller parcels, some residential and on which build cheap housing that can be upgraded later.
3.) Found a church which can apply for tax exemptions and later run the community school and even a clinic in time, and also handle tax exempt donation collection.
4.) Build a general store to which a member of the community can make runs from nearby towns to bring in supplies as needed.
5.) Establish a manufactury/agricultural/lumber/etc facility to provide an income for the community via exports and also to create jobs for our settlers. Establish community plots for growing additional subsistence crops.
6.) Expand the housing plots until we have around a hundred people.
7.) Build an office or beer hall or whatever to be the community meeting place and hold an incorporation vote.
Just like that we have an ethno-community that we completely control with no pesky liberals or minorities. No one can move in because we won't put our property for sale or build new housing until we have more of our own like minded people coming in. We have an entire homogenous town in which we can raise white nationalist families and vote to implement whatever policies we like. We can fly our own freaking flag from town hall, host nationalist conferences, and open a third reich museum if we feel like it. The sky is the limit and nothing here is far fetched. Just something to think about. We can honestly do this.
all on only one acre
That picture is a goal to attain
@K_Wagner that's really interesting for town building, but again we'll need funding. I'm sure some white societies would be willing to donate to such a thing
or some organization some where would be willing to give money for such a cause if we made a more solid plan
where can we get a lawyer though to help with the papers?
It would be nice to have our own lawyer within our own group, one of ours.
Money or land. If you build it, they will come.
why not both ^^
love these
wow
Biggest thing preventing me from homesteading is finding good affordable land that is near enough to the city to commute into work
Reee
Yeah that might be a problem for a lot of people
I know it's possible to process your own foods/products, market them as organic, and make a fine living selling them. But getting to that point takes a big leap of faith or a lot of start up capital
and considerable skill and experience
woah
that actually looks
p nice
Very nice
I've got a pantry full of canned foods/water/med supplies to last me+girlfriend+pets for 1 month of independance
Unfortunately I don't own any firearms atm though
I hear its a port of mormon rules to keep a year's supply of canned food stored at all times
Yeah that is a very wise rule, I've just been throwing extra money at our supplies whenever I have it. I'll prioritize a few more months of supplies but I think I'm at the step where I need to acquire some guns+ammo
guns are important tools
scroll back though the tools section, ive rambled about baby's first gun, and a ton of other random shit in regards to my favorite tool
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