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2017-09-19 01:14:38 UTC

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2017-09-19 01:14:42 UTC

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2017-09-19 01:18:47 UTC

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2017-09-20 22:29:35 UTC

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2017-09-21 00:23:00 UTC

Primitive Technology is 😀

2017-09-21 01:08:16 UTC

>builds shit in arcadia

2017-09-21 01:11:57 UTC
2017-09-21 01:24:06 UTC

i know fertilizer derived from human feces is used in the US, however its only allowed for growing cattle feed and other things not directly consumed by humans

2017-09-21 01:24:15 UTC

compost, okay

2017-09-21 01:24:31 UTC

If you want to use human feces, put it in a compost bin with food waste and some worms

2017-09-21 01:24:43 UTC

Give it multiple months to process

2017-09-21 01:24:51 UTC

It sucks living in an apartment for all of this ): can't grow much of anything

2017-09-21 01:25:26 UTC

*Aha*

2017-09-21 01:25:52 UTC

Aha?

2017-09-21 01:25:59 UTC

Right channel. 😏

2017-09-21 01:26:05 UTC

Aha

2017-09-21 01:26:48 UTC

If you want to grow stuff inside, keep an aquarium. You can use the water from it to grow stuff in a bed of gravel. The fish fertilize the crop, and the crop filters the water

2017-09-21 01:27:41 UTC

What type of stuff would you suggest growing? I only have a studio apartment unfortunately

2017-09-21 01:27:58 UTC

Start with herbs

2017-09-21 01:28:09 UTC

Cilantro, chives

2017-09-21 01:28:23 UTC

And a small aquarium with some goldfish or koi

2017-09-21 01:28:58 UTC

is there any vegetables that would grow well in places like indiana?

2017-09-21 01:29:00 UTC

How would you suggest making the gravel pit? Like what sort of frame?

2017-09-21 01:29:08 UTC

I've got carpet so it can't be on the floor

2017-09-21 01:29:25 UTC

Just a small Tupperware container will work fine

2017-09-21 01:29:42 UTC

You'll want some sitting water just below the level of the gravel

2017-09-21 01:30:23 UTC

Would dirt/soil work as well, as opposed to the fish tank?

2017-09-21 01:30:33 UTC

It's called aquaponics farming

2017-09-21 01:30:49 UTC

It would. The appeal of the fish tank is that its cleaner for inside

2017-09-21 01:31:03 UTC

But a little box with soil would work fine too

2017-09-21 01:31:30 UTC

Alright! Tomorrow I'll go the store and look around a bit and see what I can find. I'll keep you all updated

2017-09-21 01:31:43 UTC

One problem with the soil however- you have to make sure it stays fertile

2017-09-21 01:32:04 UTC

How would you test for that?

2017-09-21 01:32:21 UTC

That part I'm not sure about

2017-09-21 01:32:42 UTC

Well, what makes soul fertile?

2017-09-21 01:32:50 UTC

nutrients in the soil

2017-09-21 01:32:52 UTC

nitrates

2017-09-21 01:32:54 UTC

all kinds of stuff

2017-09-21 01:32:55 UTC

I just have a few worms and food waste

2017-09-21 01:33:06 UTC

It goes a long way for keeping it fertile

2017-09-21 01:33:42 UTC

Hrmm, rotting food and worms inside an apartment don't sound like the smartest idea...

2017-09-21 01:33:54 UTC

At least if I don't want to have to keep my window open 24/7

2017-09-21 01:34:46 UTC

If you keep the food buried, the smell isn't very noticeable. But I might just not notice it anymore

2017-09-21 01:35:17 UTC

You can just buy fertilizer for this sort of thing at Lowes

2017-09-21 01:36:02 UTC

True. Would Home Depot or Lowes be a good place to start looking for this kind of stuff?

2017-09-21 01:36:13 UTC

i'm gonna see if i can try and build a shed or something as a summer project

2017-09-21 01:36:17 UTC

Yeah

2017-09-21 01:36:18 UTC

to store fertilizer in

2017-09-21 01:36:23 UTC

and general

2017-09-21 01:36:25 UTC

farming supplies

2017-09-21 01:37:16 UTC

I usually get stuff for my diy projects from Home Depot and Lowes. Anything they don't have I just go to amazon for

2017-09-21 01:37:59 UTC

Where would you suggest looking for Herbs to grow?

2017-09-21 01:38:16 UTC

Home Depot sells little bags with seeds in them

2017-09-21 01:38:45 UTC

Lowes probably does too

2017-09-21 01:39:42 UTC

Alright, I'll go looking tomorrow. Thanks Bradley!

2017-09-21 01:41:14 UTC

I'm thinking about doing more peas, but a lot of potatoes next year πŸ˜„

2017-09-21 01:41:21 UTC

Maybe sweet potatoes πŸ€”

2017-09-21 01:42:14 UTC

i fucking

2017-09-21 01:42:16 UTC

love potatoes

2017-09-21 01:42:26 UTC

Taters are neat πŸ˜„

2017-09-21 01:42:35 UTC

I love making hash browns

2017-09-21 01:42:49 UTC

Oho, noooow I know what to make for lunch tommorow!

2017-09-21 01:43:03 UTC

I just made sandwiches for lunch today, but I think we have some potatoes in the fridge πŸ‘€

2017-09-21 01:43:05 UTC

i might try my hand at homemade potato pancakes

2017-09-21 01:43:09 UTC

once i grow some potatoes

2017-09-21 01:43:11 UTC

Sounds spicy

2017-09-21 01:43:22 UTC

*Very spicy* πŸ€”

2017-09-21 01:43:38 UTC

I might try to make pancakes, or bread, with my quitch-flour πŸ˜„

2017-09-21 01:43:45 UTC

Once I get around to actually turning it into flour

2017-09-21 01:44:34 UTC

awesome

2017-09-21 01:44:46 UTC

i've always been looking for motivation

2017-09-21 01:44:50 UTC

because i barely have any

2017-09-21 01:44:56 UTC

but i feel like i've finally found something

2017-09-21 01:44:59 UTC

with this and /esg/

2017-09-21 01:45:02 UTC

i've found my calling

2017-09-21 01:45:24 UTC

Very nice! πŸ˜ƒ

2017-09-21 01:46:03 UTC

I don't really know about my motivation, it's something like "If I don't do this my dreams won't come true" and thus my dreams enable me to push harder and what not

2017-09-21 01:46:15 UTC

i've just hit a point in my life

2017-09-21 01:46:25 UTC

where i feel like i should have *some* motivation

2017-09-21 01:46:57 UTC

Remember, motivation is a false god. True success comes from determination

2017-09-21 01:49:09 UTC

Nah I've found that the middleground is best

2017-09-21 01:50:44 UTC

Like sure doing something because you're determined to do it and your standard is "it gets done", but it becomes a lot better when you're motivated to do it

2017-09-21 01:50:50 UTC

As long as you don't *depend* on motivation

2017-09-21 02:32:20 UTC

So

2017-09-21 02:32:32 UTC

What is the exact plan, as far as this specific channel?

2017-09-21 02:33:50 UTC

Anything homesteading/prepper/survival related.

2017-09-21 02:34:46 UTC

Ah I see

2017-09-21 02:35:10 UTC

What's the general then for overall discussion?

2017-09-21 02:35:49 UTC

Yeah, anything that doesn't fit in the other channels I suppose.

2017-09-21 02:36:12 UTC

this is for stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vuMSoQzYfs

2017-09-21 02:36:45 UTC

Oh my bad, survival stuff would go in <#359944897676967946> .

2017-09-21 02:36:56 UTC

i guess it depends on the type of survival

2017-09-21 02:37:03 UTC

Probably should just merge these.

2017-09-21 02:37:38 UTC

im worried about too many overlapping conversations

2017-09-21 02:38:04 UTC

Well, most discussion in one is applicable to the other.

2017-09-21 02:38:17 UTC

Doesn't really matter either way.

2017-09-21 03:42:25 UTC

Zennex17, to answer your question from the sig chat: it's a new hobby for me and I haven't harvested anything yet. But I think that lettuce in the pic is about ready and it's been ~3 weeks since the seeds sprouted from the rockwool.

2017-09-21 16:37:12 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359504430569095168/360464495254044685/image.jpg

2017-09-21 16:37:44 UTC

Only the self-sufficient man is free

2017-09-21 18:20:14 UTC

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2017-09-21 18:20:17 UTC

Anyone know anything about bovines?

2017-09-21 18:21:44 UTC

Anyone have any experience with family milk cows, on the topic of self-sufficiency?

2017-09-21 21:14:37 UTC

Not much, I knew some folks that had a milk cow. They also had a couple goats and said that the goats ended up producing more milk for their size than the cow.

2017-09-21 21:22:16 UTC

It depends on the cow, cow's age and feed. Personaly I perfer more animals because it minimizes the chance of catastophry. http://www.backwoodshome.com/bovine-basics-for-beginners/
P.S. did you know that there are dairy sheep breeds.

2017-09-21 21:35:21 UTC

sheep milk

2017-09-21 21:35:21 UTC

what

2017-09-21 21:36:58 UTC

Sheep herding would give the ladies plenty of work and generate a nice income for the community

2017-09-21 21:37:04 UTC

yeah

2017-09-21 21:37:15 UTC

maybe putting up our best livestock for studding

2017-09-21 21:38:39 UTC

Anyone know anything about sheep?

2017-09-21 21:38:55 UTC

not really tbh

2017-09-21 21:39:08 UTC

also here's a bit of something on agriculture if we decide on mossy rock

2017-09-21 21:39:08 UTC
2017-09-21 21:40:17 UTC

I know orchards are huge in WA and OR

2017-09-21 21:44:08 UTC

What sort of orchards?

2017-09-21 21:44:50 UTC

Christmas tree farming?

2017-09-21 21:44:50 UTC

im not sure what particular fruits they grow

2017-09-21 21:44:54 UTC

Wew cozy

2017-09-21 21:44:56 UTC

no, fruit trees

2017-09-21 21:45:06 UTC

Apples?

2017-09-21 21:45:14 UTC

yeah

2017-09-21 21:45:15 UTC

def apples

2017-09-21 21:45:23 UTC

Damn we could found a fashy cider brewry lol

2017-09-21 21:45:35 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359504430569095168/360542099461898240/unknown.png

2017-09-21 21:45:49 UTC

the image i just posted comes from my link

2017-09-21 21:46:17 UTC

Apple orchards.. That's a god-tier life

2017-09-21 21:46:48 UTC

Berries too, again lots of products we could make with those harvests

2017-09-21 21:46:54 UTC

All natural too

2017-09-21 21:47:09 UTC

yea

2017-09-21 21:58:11 UTC

Lady and child friendly work too, picking apples and berries

2017-09-21 21:58:50 UTC

I want to brew alcohol someday

2017-09-21 21:59:04 UTC

theres something really comfy about it

2017-09-21 21:59:08 UTC

i want to raise good, white children who understand work ethic

2017-09-21 21:59:12 UTC

who work around the house

2017-09-21 21:59:17 UTC

literally only thing i want

2017-09-21 21:59:31 UTC

On the subject of homeschooling

2017-09-21 21:59:39 UTC

but yeah alcohol brewing might be fun

2017-09-21 21:59:53 UTC

We can get away with not having a (((school))) in our community if we all do it

2017-09-21 22:00:14 UTC

And yeah I like the idea of a brewery. Folkish work and will generate income.

2017-09-21 22:00:56 UTC

or we can simply build a private school

2017-09-21 22:01:14 UTC

^

2017-09-21 22:01:16 UTC

otherwise rural schools are still much more redpilled than urban ones

2017-09-21 22:02:52 UTC

As long as we don't have to worry about "teacher, daddy is a nazi and so are all my neighbors"

2017-09-21 22:03:00 UTC

*knock knock* child services

2017-09-21 22:03:32 UTC

Also, anyone seen this? Super cheap, easy money, will help other crops

2017-09-21 22:03:50 UTC

oh wow

2017-09-21 22:03:51 UTC

beehives

2017-09-21 22:03:51 UTC

I would definitely put a few of these up

2017-09-21 22:03:53 UTC

forgot about those

2017-09-21 22:04:10 UTC

This design used artificial combs for the bees

2017-09-21 22:04:18 UTC

No more smoking them to get the honey

2017-09-21 22:04:36 UTC

Now more killing bees by breaking the honeycombs

2017-09-21 22:04:49 UTC

The honey flows right out of a fucking tap!

2017-09-21 22:04:58 UTC

Just watch the video

2017-09-21 22:06:27 UTC

au naturale

2017-09-21 22:06:30 UTC

i love it

2017-09-21 22:10:37 UTC

We can build schools and have our own teachers

2017-09-21 22:10:58 UTC

maybe the parents could teach a basis for the child to work off of

2017-09-21 22:11:01 UTC

I'm going for management and teaching in uni

2017-09-21 22:11:10 UTC

a teaching degree

2017-09-21 22:11:11 UTC

huh

2017-09-21 22:11:15 UTC

Ye

2017-09-21 22:11:18 UTC

nice

2017-09-21 22:11:26 UTC

I have a teaching degree

2017-09-21 22:11:33 UTC

I'd rather do real work

2017-09-21 22:11:41 UTC

But I guess that's an option

2017-09-21 22:11:47 UTC

For their sakes

2017-09-21 22:12:41 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359504430569095168/360548921065340939/image.jpg

2017-09-21 22:12:49 UTC

Not using state books tho

2017-09-21 22:12:51 UTC

hehe

2017-09-21 22:12:58 UTC

Because I dont think homeschooling is good.

2017-09-21 22:13:19 UTC

honestly the main reason (((they))) can so easily brainwash children is because the parents fail to get to their own children first and instil proper virtues and morals

2017-09-21 22:13:41 UTC

Better than sending them to holocaust and slavery school though

2017-09-21 22:13:48 UTC

i feel like modern parents have just lost their ability to instill virtues and morals

2017-09-21 22:13:56 UTC

and instead just push equality onto them

2017-09-21 22:14:00 UTC

Our people did fine without schools until the 1920's

2017-09-21 22:14:11 UTC

or put the responsibility of parenting on those teachers

2017-09-21 22:14:14 UTC

or the TV

2017-09-21 22:14:28 UTC

or the media

2017-09-21 22:14:29 UTC

in general

2017-09-21 22:14:39 UTC

which is why we have so many wigger children i'm p sure

2017-09-21 22:14:43 UTC

only care about money

2017-09-21 22:14:50 UTC

It is

2017-09-21 22:15:12 UTC

Rich white kids and media with pop music

2017-09-21 22:15:42 UTC

grafting

2017-09-21 22:49:07 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359504430569095168/360558091646926849/thumb3_old_mill_waterwheel.jpg

2017-09-21 23:37:47 UTC

So here's the question. If, as a community, we all specialize in one area (one person is a shepherd, another orchardman, another wheat, etc) we'd be more dependent upon each other, but it'd probably be more efficient than everyone managing a little of everything. Is this a desirable outcome?

2017-09-21 23:39:14 UTC

sounds good to me

2017-09-21 23:44:26 UTC

We'd need to know the numbers and specializations of people beforehand, though, that way we're not setting a potato farmer on a mountainside.

2017-09-21 23:50:05 UTC

Absolutely

2017-09-21 23:50:34 UTC

Run it like a medieval fiefdom, but without the king -- everyone has a role

2017-09-22 00:14:37 UTC

I'm so obsessed with these things.. It's really a marvel

2017-09-22 00:21:57 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLgvtTQPJTY
most of these points can be applied to goats as well.

2017-09-22 00:27:37 UTC

their wool

2017-09-22 00:27:38 UTC

would be nice

2017-09-22 00:28:16 UTC

yeah, I don't think cotton would be possible in the PNW

2017-09-22 00:30:33 UTC

And again, wool harvesting and processing is women-friendly work, which is a plus in the long run

2017-09-22 00:31:24 UTC

Wool if marketed correctly can be sold to people for crafts.

2017-09-22 00:32:34 UTC

Excellent. We could even make them into crafts ourselves to sell.

2017-09-22 00:32:47 UTC

Set up weaver shops and what not for the women

2017-09-22 00:32:49 UTC

could wool possibly be used as natural insulators

2017-09-22 00:32:51 UTC

for homes?

2017-09-22 00:33:05 UTC

no, moths eat wool.

2017-09-22 00:33:09 UTC

if you like fire, i guess

2017-09-22 00:33:58 UTC

Wool doesn't burn.

2017-09-22 00:34:14 UTC

Doesn't it rot though?

2017-09-22 00:34:23 UTC

they also make a fattier milk. This is great for making cheeses.

2017-09-22 00:34:38 UTC

I've been lied to by my home ec teacher from middle school then

2017-09-22 00:34:40 UTC

I watched a guy drunkenly fall into a fire before, the only reason he didn't go the ER is because he had a wool jacket on it and it saved his skin. Literally.

2017-09-22 00:35:14 UTC

Wool is good for fabrics, crafts, etc. It's also naturally more waterproof than many other fabrics, and is flame-resistant.

2017-09-22 00:35:38 UTC

It'd be good for making water filters

2017-09-22 00:35:39 UTC

I shouldn't say "Doesn't burn" as pretty much anything will burn, but wool is a protein fiber according to google, which makes it burn very slowly.

2017-09-22 00:36:11 UTC

@K_Wagner Wool has lanolin that makes it waterproof. the reason wool clothes get wet is because we remove it when we clean wool.

2017-09-22 00:36:12 UTC

And like Nix said, wool doesn't absorb water like cotton or other materials.

2017-09-22 00:36:15 UTC

Wool isn't cheap to make. Using it for insulation isn't the first place you want to put it.

2017-09-22 00:36:26 UTC

There's a reason almost every army in the world at one time issued Wool jackets to their soldiers.

2017-09-22 00:36:52 UTC

@MKUltra agreed, it's still better used for clothing than insulation

2017-09-22 00:36:53 UTC

Flame resistant. And no, water filters are better with sand and charcoal. Wool is much better in socks and heavy costs, especially in PNW.

2017-09-22 00:37:05 UTC

^

2017-09-22 00:37:17 UTC

coats* stupid autocorrect

2017-09-22 00:37:26 UTC

Straw would make a better insulator, though you need to change it from time to time to avoid mildew.

2017-09-22 00:37:29 UTC

Like thatch roofs.

2017-09-22 00:38:06 UTC

Honestly, snow is its own insulator.

2017-09-22 00:39:10 UTC

Not to mention the houses should be sturdy to begin with. If you absolutely must have insulation, straw or pine needles work, or shredded bark.

2017-09-22 00:39:43 UTC

Really though, the best insulation is a well-made house. At least as far as I understand.

2017-09-22 00:39:53 UTC

the really nice thing about sheep and goats is that it's easy to downsize is feeding them becomes a problem. You can kill a few and still have herd. the same can't be said for cows.

2017-09-22 00:40:42 UTC

*if

2017-09-22 00:41:32 UTC

Well, the house itself acts as a barrier from the ice and snow. Thick walls make it harder for the outside cold to get in. Insulation helps actually keep the heat in, better insulation, less wood or propane you have to burn to heat the house.

2017-09-22 00:42:07 UTC

@dmac100 agreed, and you can raise many more sheep and goats per acre than cows.

2017-09-22 00:42:20 UTC

For starters, animals smaller than bovine would be a good idea.

2017-09-22 00:43:13 UTC

@Mitere the first few "houses" will be log cabins, so mud in between the logs will probably be our insulation.

2017-09-22 00:43:46 UTC

That will increase rot and pests.

2017-09-22 00:43:56 UTC

Pitch could be used.

2017-09-22 00:44:08 UTC

But that increases fires. Used throughout history.

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