#regional-legislatures (Discord ID: 454416723526025231) in #FedsShallRiseAgain!, page 2

hi spark!

yeah i guess lol

Hi @Deleted User

tell me about yourself! I don't know you!

all I've heard is that you're rather centrist

I’m a moderate Federalist who has a tendency to be Populist

spark is great

yeah

@YoungTexan Thanks you too

@Deleted User Anything else you want to know??

he is a former lincolnite who seeks refuge in the south

as i have done

because lincoln cray

It’s a wonderful place to be indeed

Lincoln was too left for me anyways but I tried my best to make reforms

well, Lincoln's about to die for us soon

what's your political philosophy?

Now we can count on @Deleted User to get it done

I'd consider myself closest to Coolidge personally

Trumpist lol

Except for his immigration policy

And environment,

oh wow. cool. I'm a Cruzer

Pretty socially conservative

i dislike trump because he is like

YT is george dubya lol

not conservative

and yes 43 was great

Eh

nothing wrong with Dubya. I liked the man myself

45 is better but 43’s immigration policy was better

but I'm closer to Coolidge

he was ya know, not a freaking protectionist lol

That’s true

exactly lol

I'm one of those free traders, classical liberals on econ and immigration

Protectionism has grown on me

well

I like Trump's immigration policy

it doesnt work

but not the protectionism

protectionism fails lol

constantly

It does

wasnt the GOP the more protectionist party until like the 1960s

and has throughout history

small government, let the people make their own decisions

yeah GOP was protectionist until Ike

Well temporarily it has to work

nah

@Deleted User come join us in the GOP, the water is warm

YoungTexan

no it doesnt temporarily work lol

didn't you leave

the GOP?

im back again

I wish I was a Republican again

do you still hate Trump?

i dont hate trump

but i dont like him

gotcha

for some reason I thought you were

he has made our country weak as hell in terms of our standing around the world

GWBFan-type

i.e. super anti-Trump

i mean Trump is a criminal

Well they roll out the red carpet for him in China

well, I'm a Cruzer so lol

I like Cruz too

Cruz was okay

rolling a red carpet doesnt do anything

LOL

I have to say I'm happy with his SCOTUS noms

cruz was great

would you take Trump or Obama YoungTexan?

can i shoot myself instead?

@Deleted User Fair enough

I think we'd all like Cruz better lmao

Abolish the IRS! -Ted Cruz

i honestly couldnt answer that rfayette lol

I'd take Trump

Makes my life so much easier

I'd take Trump ofc

both have been shit presidents

just for the SCOTUS noms and the 5 to 4 in Juno

I think Trump's done a pretty good job imo

but maybe narrowly trump because of scotus

that to me is worth the rest of it

@Deleted User If you want to learn more PM me

but let's be real

i like trump when he bombs syria

this isn't a subject we can really change people's minds

on

@Deleted User Yes

so will the court overturn roe

I hope not

nope

I hope so

with trump's justices

I want that

Abortion is wrong

but needed

I was very pro-life

until

cause

I realized I probably wasn't elect

ya know

since I'm going to hell I no longer care so much about

morality

it is needed sometimes

&

^

you cant just say no abortions lol, it isnt feasible

true

I mean life cant be given a value

I also find ExtremeRepublican-type rhetoric

disturbing

if you honestly believe abortion is murder

that means half of Americans

are complicit

and ExtremeRepublican said as much

saying that people should be prosecuted

who support pro-choice parties

it's also just disgusting

Well they shouldn’t force restrictions upon people and arrest them, it should just be heavily discouraged

do you want women going into back alleys to get coat hangar abortions

well, they dont think it's murder, and thus feel no guilt about it

because

that is the only alternative

Morality is important in governance

I'm of two minds on that. repealing it is no different than with Dred Scott

well, I dont give a damn about muh coat hangers

out of curiosity LouisvilleThunder

as a pro-life Democrat

but if it gets repealed there will be a civil war

did you think that other Dems were deeply immoral

because of their stance?

yeah

idk being a pro-life Dem seems a lot harder

than being a pro-choice Republican

but I dont think there would be a civil war on it

As a Calvinist my thought is basically

eh, Im pretty much a santandercrat

most of us are going to hell

so I guess we're all evil

but I like being evil

so I don't care that abortion is immoral

granted it's not like I think God's moral standards are even legitimate

since God predestined us all to hell anyways

but I guess I acknowledge him as the sovereign

I mean I still dont think that life should be denied to fetuses even if we're destined to hell

cuz life is still invaluable

Is it really better

because since most people are going to hell

it just means more sin

that they're going to be tortured for

since the vast majority of those babies are reprobate

eh, well maybe they wont go to hell

I guess it's my pessimism

I'm a really natural pessimist

but as long as we dont know for sure, life should be lived

and taken for what life itself is intrinsically worth

I guess so

America as a republic is founded on God given rights

All life is sacred so we must give ourselves a chance

abortion is an affront to those principles

yeah, you have a right to life

America is also inherently a Christian nation but that doesn’t mean we shun those who aren’t

except America isn't

an inherently Christian country

the Puritans were

but the Founders were mostly deists

and they created the first secular republic

but even for non-christians, natural rights still apply

John Adams had a lot to say about that

he stated that the Constitution was appropriate for a Christian peoples only

no he didn't

he said a "moral and religious people"

I can quote him

the point being that the concept of natural rights come from God not the state

^

i became pro-choice not too long ago tbh

i used to be very much pro life

honestly being pro-life must be just depressing

so much so i protested planned parenthood lol

I will say this

pro-lifers put trump into office

did you change your views cuz of that time you got scared that you impregnated a girl, YT😉

so I'll give them that

but when i started dating and i realized "oh hey, i could have a kid soon"

yes LT essentially that

^

why would you think that RFayette?

because that means

you believe millions of people are murdered

50 million since 1973

also abstinence doesnt work lol

true

well abstinence education

and places where abortion is illegal

often have high rates of illegal abortion

or Ireland

just fly to UK lmao

yes, we do believe that

being consistently pro-life means pregnant women have no right to privacy

General abstinence education is effective

LOLNO

but whether you're prolife or pro choice, that's a statement of fact

even among Puritans

1/3 of marriages

were after pregnancy

there are 50 million people that aren't in America today because of abortion

being pro-life in today's time essentially makes you pro birth

I mean condoms and stuff should be easily accessible, cuz that's the pragmatic thing to reduce abortions and unwanted pregnancies

there are 200 million people that aren't in America today

because of

I mean condoms and stuff should be easily accessible, cuz that's the pragmatic thing to reduce abortions and unwanted pregnancies

The sanctity of life has to be protected

people choosing not to have sex

(actually way more than that)

what about the rights of women?

what about them

yeah we should definitely have condoms being accessible

do you believe the right to privacy?

and birth control too

I do but that doesn’t mean abortions shouldn’t be regulated

You can't be both pro-life and believe in gender equality as far as rights go

because it means

as defined by what, Griswald?

that women are basically property

if I read the constitution as it was written does it contain a 'right to privacy'?

@Deleted User oof that is some mad truth right there

i dont see abortion as a womens rights issue

how lol

You'd have to monitor where women travel

what they do

Abortion is a human rights issue

it's a life isse

what they eat/digest

for 9 months

it is a womens rights issue lmao

and in reality

travel, freedom of movement

you'd have to know whether or not all women are pregnant

is in the constitution

if you believe abortion is murder

then women of childbearing age

That’s excessive and ridiculous @Deleted User

need to be investigated/scrutinized

as thoroughly as a crime scene