#fremont-feds (Discord ID: 504475423955091457) in #FedsShallRiseAgain!, page 1

So... I'm going to be chair?

maybe @Tea Party Hater

?

Co-Chairs maybe?

if you want to be chair that's fine.

@Deleted User @Tea Party Hater should work together

Don't forget our other parliamentarian, @Joey

And Joey!

What fun!

Ok

@Deleted User Which of Thunder, Katman and Rfayette do you think would be best?

I think Thunder or Katman would be great

Since they are new people

In the game

@YoungTexan Which do you think would be best?

Thunder98, Katman or RFayette?

For Parli

To represent the conservative base.

@Deleted User Just confirmed, I have the votes to overturn YE's veto of any gun control bill.

Booo

Myself, Joey, Devout Centrist and ON Progressive are all in favour.

Can you just not do that

@Deleted User Just to double check, Atlasia doesn't have a Assault Weapons Ban in effect at the moment?

No they dont

And it shouldnt

Well

I want thunder

But he’s not here

Look, we can't do what Labor wants

At this point in time

@Deleted User

I mean could you just write other bills

On other topics

That wont piss off your voters

It's not as if any gun control bill is getting through the senate.

Yeah it would

Not with sestak.

Sestak does support some gun control

And definitely will as he is Labor chair now

There will be a special election

For MB's seat

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=304328.msg6487065#msg6487065

@Tea Party Hater when did you change your name? 😛

Lol

Oh how rude, lol

If only Torie voted differently...

🤔

haha

And if two Weatherboy voters voted differently...

🤔

yep always those what ifs

I mean Doof won his February 2017 upset

By getting 3 old radical lefties to vote for him

Al, Hashemite, and Oakvale

We lost in Fremont to alpha in the senate special election by 3 votes last July

so Fremont has been a tough region for us for a while

and that was with getting siren and Ebowed support

@Deleted User @YoungTexan @NCY1689 What is the current extent of Atlasian firearm laws?

I know we don't have an Assault Weapons Ban

Mostly legal

Do we have any controls?

I'll try pulling up some bills

Because I don't want to call for anything we already have.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=279999.0

South

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=280547.0

@Deleted User Isn't gun control federal?

Both regional and Federal

So what gun control measures are currently in force?

Lincoln passed this a while ago: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=285892.0

Fremont

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=286084.0

Section 1: Title and Definitions
1. The title of this act shall be the “Gun Reform Act.”
2. An "Assault weapon" is defined as an AR-15.
3."Bumpstocks" is defined as the act of using the recoil of a semi-automatic firearm to fire shots quickly.

Section 2: Regulations
1. The sale and use of bump stocks in Fremont is hereby illegal.
2. No state is allowed to prohibit the sale and use of assault weapons.
3. No state is allowed to have more than a seven day or less than a 72 hour waiting period before acquiring a gun.
4. No state is allowed to ban less than 15 rounds of ammunition.
5. Gun manufactures should not be held accountable if an individual commits or attempts to commit a crime with a gun, provided the gun was acquired in a legal way.

Section 3: Gun Purchases
1. Guns shall only be sold by sellers approved by the Commonwealth of Fremont.
a. Gun sales at gun shows shall be hereby prohibited unless by approved sellers.

Section 4: Violations
1. Unauthorized sale and/or gifting of weapons shall warrant a punishment of the gifter/seller to be determined by a court of law.

Section 5:
1. This act shall be implemented immediately,

@Deleted User that is what Fremont passed

@Deleted User And nothing federally?

I think some reforms may have been passed but nothing major

I know the no fly list restriction was passed

Good.

Can't remember if bump stocks were banned

Though all three regions banned them

@Deleted User Now what measures to pt into the resolution...

Ban on automatic and semi-automatic weapons of course

@Deleted User Do we have federal gun registration?

No

@Deleted User Do we have mandatory background checks?

Yes I believe so not 100% sure

A RESOLUTION
That this house calls on the federal government to institute tighter Gun Control.
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Whereas, current levels of gun crime and violence in Atlasia are the highest in the western world.
Whereas, the federal government has done nothing to combat this crisis.
Resolved, that the Commonwealth of Fremont calls on the federal government to institute tighter gun control measures.
Further Resolved, that such measures should include mandatory background checks on buyers of firearms.
Further Resolved, that such measures should include a federal gun registry with complete retroactivity.
Further Resolved, that such measures should include a complete ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of automatic and semi-automatic firearms.
Further Resolved, that such measures should include a complete ban on the carry of firearms for the purpose of self-defence without a permit.

Such a bill would most likley be unconstitutional

@Deleted User I am calling on the federal government to introduce such measures.

They can deal with constitutional issues.

Meanwhile I'm now drafting a bill to repeal our Gun Reform act.

Main aim is a complete ban on Assault Weapons within Fremont.

manufacture, sale and possession

@Deleted User If I want to pass conflicting legislation do I have to first repeal the conflicting legislation?

Namely, a Fremont Assault Weapons ban

Probably best but you can do so in the same bill

@Deleted User What is the best way to word it.

@Deleted User What If I only want to strike down parts of the original act.

I don't want to get rid of the bump stock ban.

1. Part XXX of The Gun Reform Act are repealed

XXX is whatever parts of the act you want it to be

Good.

@Deleted User How to notate parts of a section?

Explain

I want to strike down 2 through 5 of section 2 of a bill.

Section 2: Regulations
1. The sale and use of bump stocks in Fremont is hereby illegal.
***2. No state is allowed to prohibit the sale and use of assault weapons.***
***3. No state is allowed to have more than a seven day or less than a 72 hour waiting period before acquiring a gun.***
***4. No state is allowed to ban less than 15 rounds of ammunition.***
***5. Gun manufactures should not be held accountable if an individual commits or attempts to commit a crime with a gun, provided the gun was acquired in a legal way.***

@Deleted User How would I word a repeal of only the bolded parts of section 2.

That is, 2., 3., 4. and 5.

1. Section 2.2 -2.5 of the Gun Reform act are hereby repealed

Good.

I am proud to be introducing a Fremont Assault Weapons Ban.

AN ACT
To ban Assault Weapons.

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Section 1: Title

1. This act may be cities as the Fremont Assault Weapons Ban Act.

Section 2: Repeal

1. Section 2.2 - 2.4 of the Gun Reform Act are hereby repealed, namely-
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2. No state is allowed to prohibit the sale and use of assault weapons.
3. No state is allowed to have more than a seven day or less than a 72 hour waiting period before acquiring a gun.
4. No state is allowed to ban less than 15 rounds of ammunition.

Section 3: Assault Weapons Ban

1. The manufacture, sale, possession and use of Assault Weapons within the Commonwealth of Fremont is hereby illegal.

2. The sale and use of silencers or suppressors on guns in Fremont is hereby illegal.

Section 4: Implementation
1. This act shall be implemented immediately.

This bill is unconstitutional

@Deleted User We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Actually, how is it unconstitutional?

It violates section 7 of the bill of rights (aka the atlasian version of the 2nd amendment)

@Deleted User But it's only Assault Weapons.

And the real-life AWB wasn't unconstitutional.

Even if it wasn't passed.

@Reactionary Thoughts?

Oh lmao

Mr. R would hate this bill

I know he will.

More than anyone in here

However he is always the one who points out how something is unconstitutional.

So after he tells me why it is unconstitutional, I can revise it to so that it passes constitutional muster.

@Reactionary So what are the legal problems with an assault weapons ban?

100% guarantee he won't help a bad bill pass

that's always been something he stood by

^^^

@YoungTexan How much do you hate my gun control bills?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=304738.0

@Deleted User Just checking something,

How supportive of gun control are JGibson and Griffin?

They love gun control😛

So the only leftist in the house with any problem with gun control is Jimmy?

I guess so

@Deleted User Where do you think Canis and Sestak would sit on this bill?

Idk

It is a bad bill tho

*In your opinion.

Yes, gun control is bad and dumb

*In your opinion.

And it's good in your opinion

Yes.

That is why I support these measures, while you oppose them.

I think it's a bit disingenuous that you're focusing so hard on this issue when you did not campaign on it, or even disclose those views at any point prior to getting elected

In fact, this was your focus on the campaign:

"To sum up, If you elect me I shall focus on two areas; Tax Cuts and Infrastructure spending. And indeed, I shall get stuff done in these areas for the people of Fremont."

@Deleted User I'm extremely pragmatic.

When I discover an area of concern, that becomes my Number 1 priority.

Why focus on gun control though

right away their are lots of other possible priorities

During research on current statue I was extremely alarmed at the complete lack of any gun control.

That became a major concern to me.

And became my number 1 priority.

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@Deleted User I am completely focused on Tax Cuts and infrastructure.

You shall see this when I introduce all the bills I have ready.

However I decided that I wanted to get Gun Control out of the way first.

Atlasia has some gun control

Bump stock bans in each region.

That's about it.

like I said before, you made absolutely no mention of an interest in this topic when campaigning. and I'm starting to feel like you intentionally did it this way.

No.

Gun control wasn't on my mind during the campaign.

However after I was sure I was elected I decided to read through the entirety of current Federal and Regional statute.

Only when I was reading through this did Gun Control get on my agenda.

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Let%27s_Try_This_Act here's this

We have some gun control legislation

Bump Stocks and Trigger Cranks.

it’s just not a winning strategy

A no fly list.

You have to pick your battles @Deleted User

And background checks.

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@Deleted User I picked this battle.

Because Gun Control is something I strongly believe in.

Yes but it has a huge backlash risk to it

gun control is a highly controversial issues in Atlasia

and not one that is really that popular outside of the left

I don't care. It's something I believe in.

worth noting that the Federalist Party platform contains this:


- That the right to bear arms is a fundamental freedom that should be protected for all Atlasians

"The Federalist Party is a broad church"

I think it was YT who said that while he was trying to recruit me.

Someone did in discord DMs, I'm sure of that.

it's great that you're fighting for something you believe in, but you intentionally withheld this position from party members while campaigning, and waited until being elected to not only making it known, but your biggest priority (which once again goes against what you campaigned on)

I mean we will not force you to do anything you dont want to do

we aren't going to force you to change your views, but you have to understand why our concerns are valid

You can do what you want but don’t expect the party to support you if your campaigning on something very unpopular with the party

ASV the reason gun control isn't a big concern in Atlas is because in fantasy government land there are no mass shootings because it's not real life

Well, Atlasia is different from RL politics

like I don't make it a priority at all

Considering how we all are policy nerds

Anyway, once the Gun Control bills are done I'll get back to my priority list.

I have 11 infrastructure bills ready on standby.

And I'm still tinkering on what to do to the budget,

And what other taxes should be cut.

How are the income taxes like in Fremont

Or business taxes

@Deleted User https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=297906.50

Income Tax (by tax bracket)

$0K - $75K (-2%)
$75 - $125K (0%)
$125 - $200K (2%)
$200K - $1M (5%)
$1M - $10M (10%)
$10M - $100M (15%)
$100M+ (20%)

So Fremont has a UBI, interesting

where do you see that

Hopefully I can put a good dent in the $377 Billion Dollar surplus (It was $517 Billion last year).

The negative rate

For less than 75k

We're still waiting for Truman to cost the budget.

After he does the I'll introduce my amendments.

oh that's what that is

Anyway, @Tea Party Hater @Deleted User @Deleted User @Deleted User What do you think is most important of my infrastructure bills?

Rail upgrades
Passenger Rail
Highway Upgrades
Highway Maintenance
Air services
Airport upgrades
New Dams
Irrigation schemes
Mass Transit (Metro, Subways)
Light Rail
Buses

i.e., in what order should I introduce them?

Not pinged but highway maintenance

Por rail upgrades

😛

Yeah

Hm

What is more used, rail or highway?

Anyone else?

~~Answer me or I'll nationalise the banks and make union membership compulsory~~

Hmm

I guess highways

And road maintenance

I like the sound of Dams though.

I like Dams generally.

I mean it's your bill

But roads are more used in the US

This is not the US

This

is

Atlasia

Dams are good because they are big things.

Road upgrades are lots of small things.

Well, you could put block grants in your bills

That gives NPCs the choice to work on specific projects

I just think that Dams are a good headline act.

Because they are a few very big things you can point to.

I guess so

Road upgrades are hundreds, thousands of small to medium sized things.

I do as well feel you did this intentionally

Considering you had told me this was not a priority

And you kept saying how in America it was needed or whatever (which I still thought was weird)

I was sleeping when you pinged me and now I’m at work. I’ll look later when I’m home

I would say road maintenance first

I think Dams first.

I really like Dams.

We are actually going to run 1 real Fed in January, aren't we?

We'll try and run as many people as possible for all regional positions

But, I mean, me and Joey aren't exactly representative of Fremont Federalists.

Well then we'd run others

Yeah, we really need to run at least 1 real federalist in january.